Posted by Nicole, a resident of the Birdland neighborhood, on Apr 10, 2012 at 8:53 am
I think one way pleasanton fails is with all the teens, there is nothing for them to do... no place for them to hang out- no youth center. They end up hanging out in the jack in the box parking lot... If they had healthy alternatives for kids, we would have less problems with our teens and drugs. Plus, the number of parents who don't feel drinking and drug use are a big deal. There are plenty of houses where kids hang out where the parents don't care what the kids are doing or are doing it right with them.
Build a teen youth center, bring in businesses that give the kids something to do- music and hang out places with food- that's what the kids want/need.
Posted by herp derp, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Apr 10, 2012 at 9:11 am
Lol, went to school with this kid. Totally chill guy. Sadly, butane hash oil is illegal hence the charge and very dangerous when you dont do it properly. Most likely got impatient waiting for the butane to evaporate and put it over the stove to heat it up and increase the evaporation speed.
Ironically, if people took their head out of their rear ends we could legalize marijuana so that things like hash oil could be produced in a safe manner (C02 hash is better and way safer, but super expensive to make). But no we have to keep fighting the "drug war" which was a complete failure and will continue to be a complete failure.
This is not "Pleasanton's fault" and didnt occur in Pleasanton. More churches, youth centers, ect are not going to stop teen drug use. Ask any student at Amador and Foothill and I bet 90% of them can get weed in under 6 hours but I bet a shockingly low number will be able to get alcohol any faster than 24 hours. Regulate, tax, and control substances if you want abuse to go down especially with minors.
Keep taking your prescription anti depressants, pain killers, and alcohol. MAybe one day you will wake up and read some scientific studies on the "harms of marijuana" and learn that its substantially more safe than the manufactured crap you all put in your bodies.
Pleasanton is the most hypocritical, sheltered little town. That generally has the reverse effects on people, especially college kids, when they learn how not dangerous marijuana is.
Take a long look in the mirror before you judge "pot heads". Many of the issues caused by it would be solved with regulaation. Keep fighting the solution
Posted by DJ, a resident of the Jensen Tract neighborhood, on Apr 10, 2012 at 10:26 am
I must disagree in response to Nicole's post...
During the days of my youth in Pleasanton, it is true we did have a Teen Center (in between where the former library and pool now reside at Aquatic Park), but virtually no one ever used it. Conversely, Jack-in-the-Box WAS our Fri-Sat night meeting place, from where we dispersed to whomever's home was "parentless" that evening.
My point being, the problem is not what some government-funded babysitting locale (or the lack thereof) does or does not provide for our children. The answer is so simple, it is just that no one wishes to address it:
I can site case after case of children whom have graduated from both AV or Foothill over the last 15 years where there is, almost without exception, a direct correlation between parents who were consumed with their own interests and indulgences and children to whom mischief and poor outcomes have been the result. On the flip side, parents who were attentive and placed the upbringing of their children as their top priority, now have children who are productive members of society, in large part because they received continuous support of value and worth.
It's not about what the "community" isn't doing for our kids. It's about what we as parents do not make the time for.
Posted by Pretty Unfortunate, a member of the Pleasanton Middle School community, on Apr 10, 2012 at 11:21 am
YOU TELLEM! I'm glad there are other people on here that actually get it. Unfortunately, you are also around my age, as I also knew the kid and he is a great guy, so that's pretty unfortunate. Last time I chimed in on a conversation about drugs I was reamed with replies about the dangers of marijuana abuse. We are not advocating the use of the drug, just advocating a system that is HONEST with students so that when they find out what this drug is really like, they don't feel as if they were lied to during drug education and health classes. One of the things people kept telling me to do was to go look up negative side effects of marijuana, well here:
-worsening of depression
-persistent or severe ringing in the ears
-persistent, painful erection
-red, swollen, blistered, or peeling skin
Oh wait! Oops! I made a mistake, those are actually side effects of the completely legal, oft prescribed Zoloft! Wake up people!
Posted by Former P-Towner, a resident of the Country Fair neighborhood, on Apr 10, 2012 at 1:20 pm
I agree 100% with DJ. Parentling is not the responsibility of the community but the responsibility of the parents. I was questioned many times by parents saying isn't it killing you having to stay home with your grounded child or isn't it hard to say no. It was but it paid off. My kids are grown and all productive members of their communities. We were not rich and I worked full time and still managed with my husband to put the raising the kids first. it can and should be done by all parents. Being a responsible parent doesn't require a certain level of income it just requires your time.
Posted by Responsible Parent, a resident of the Deer Oaks/Twelve Oaks neighborhood, on Apr 10, 2012 at 1:28 pm
... and if the parents can't do the job and their children grow up hurting other people, well, then the community can blame the parents. As far as the community helping with the raising of kids, forget about it. If one parent can do it, they all can, and if they don't we can just blame the parents. End of problem! See how easy these matters are?
Posted by resident, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Apr 10, 2012 at 5:19 pm
Intelligent post Herp derp.....I'm a parent, grew up in the 70's. Hopefully the law will see the difference between this kid and a loser who really does "manufacture a controlled substance" ie methamphetamine. What a HUGE difference! I feel so bad for this kid and his parents. I too have heard that he is a really good kid. My heart goes out to them and I'll wish and hope for the best.
Posted by Neighbor, a member of the Walnut Grove Elementary School community, on Apr 10, 2012 at 5:32 pm
I have known this family for many years. This young man's parents are smart, saavy, highly educated, attentive, hard working and caring. The kid made a poor choice, but is sweet, sensitive and caring. No one wins playing the blame game.
Posted by Steve, a resident of the Parkside neighborhood, on Apr 10, 2012 at 6:36 pm
Great post, DJ.
Pleastonkidsondope, you obviously don't read these forums very often if you think Pleasanton is mostly conservative....it probably used to be that way at one time, before morals and common sense went out of style. That was also a time when most parents weren't too busy to raise their own kids and teach them the difference between right and wrong.
Posted by Herp Derp, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Apr 10, 2012 at 6:56 pm
I am actually shocked to see that people agreed with me. Usually the comments on these articles get out of control.
To clear up the bible situation here is a little bible verse I enjoy.
God said, "Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed which is upon the face of all the earth.…To you it will be for meat." … And God saw everything that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. (Genesis 1:29-31)
The Bible predicts some herb's prohibition.
"Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times, some shall … speak lies in hypocrisy … commanding to abstain from meats which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. (Paul: 1 Timothy 4:1-3)
So I guess God created weed and by smoking it I am doing his bidding....at least thats my interpretation
Posted by Ennis & Linda Pipe, a resident of the Pleasanton Valley neighborhood, on Apr 10, 2012 at 8:04 pm
Pleasanton Weekly -you disgust me. I called at 12:30 today and asked PW to remove this from their Top Posts and was told they "would look into it". It's now 7:50 pm. I asked it to be removed because, and I think most people would agree, this is no-one's business but this family's and they are doing their absolute best to manage this entire situation... I know this because we are very good friends of theirs. My wife and I know the range of emotions they are going through right now and it is, in my mind, totally irresponsible on the part of the PW not to have removed this 'thread' and certainly not a decision that reflects well on a "Community of Character" . The PW has done themselves a huge disservice by allowing a public blog to remain on their site, opening up for discussion, speculation, and opinion to the entire community, an issue their family should be allowed to cope with in private. Given the on-going, vicious tone of the threads and lack of oversight that exists on this site, why does the PW feel it's acceptable to leave this up? Ever heard of common decency? I guess that doesn't exist in local journalism.
And to Steve and DJ, and anyone else who feels the need to comment and pass judgment regarding parenting skills, question involvement in an unknown child's life, and how "most parents weren't too busy to raise their own kids and teach them the difference between right and wrong". You don't know these people, you certainly don't know how they have raised their kids, you don't know this young man, and writing on the PW blog certainly doesn't give you the right to comment and pass condemning judgments -you are nothing more than sanctimonious, arrogant, mean-spirited, anonymous p--cks. Shame on you and it's about time this community and the PW takes a serious look at themselves in the mirror.
Posted by nancy s., a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Apr 10, 2012 at 9:20 pm
@ennis & linda
this man, no matter how good, decent, blah blah, blah committed a public offense (crime). Why should this post be removed, and not all the crime posts? I am positive all of the offenders listed in other articles/posts have wonderful families too. He is an adult, and will pay the consrquences. Get off your high horse.
Posted by Bobby, a resident of the Danbury Park neighborhood, on Apr 10, 2012 at 10:16 pm
Ennis and Linda, You wreak of Pleasanton's entitlement syndrome. I agree with Nancy S. The PW is reporting about a man who broke the law. They have been running stories such as these for years. Can you explain why this story shouldn't be news and many others were? Oh, because yours and your tree-lined friends reputations may be tarnished? Gimme a break! Maybe this decent young man will learn from this and actually grow up!
Posted by Frank, a resident of the Downtown neighborhood, on Apr 11, 2012 at 8:07 am
We need to remember that this isnt a child or even a teen, he is a grown man over 21 years of age. He may have had a great upbringing. But as an adult he made the choice to break the law. His family will support him and get through this, it is not their fault, it is HIS, and as an adult he will suffer the consequences of his actions.
Posted by Lil L, a resident of the Birdland neighborhood, on Apr 11, 2012 at 8:10 am
Points to an interesting phenomenon. When people are 'close' to criminals they tend to have seen their good side as well as the bad. Might know the family, strains upon them, and what a prison term might do to them. Such is why I guess judges tend to become more liberal over time. They get to see the human dimension of criminality in all its complexity, and hence they temper their view of the criminal. It's a lot more complex than the authoritarian Republican approach which is 'They broke the law so throw the book at them.' (Of course I'm referring to "street criminals," not corporate criminals which Republicans view as their idols.)
Posted by steve, a resident of the Parkside neighborhood, on Apr 11, 2012 at 9:03 am
ennis, I wonder if the owner of the house these adults damaged would think it was just a private matter....or the police...or the fire dept.....or the D.A.....all using public funds to fix the damage caused by a stupid, illegal act that not only endangered themselves, but their neighbors and many public servants. Private matter my a$$.....
I wonder what constitutes a public matter in your mind? You can't cover this up or wish it away just because you want to protect your cronies....the public always has a right to know about illegal activities being conducted in their midst...why do you think the paper publishes a police blotter? Elitist p__k
Posted by Lori, a resident of the Parkside neighborhood, on Apr 11, 2012 at 10:00 am
In reference to Herp Derp's use of scripture to defend the use of marijuana and other consumption of the herb's of the field.
In the NIV translation of the Genesis 1:29 it states "They will be yours for food." (to nourish the body) and the 1Timothy 4 reference is also discussing food to nourish the body but more importantly, in v. 1 Timothy is being warned that "some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits" (i.e. using the bible to justify abusing drugs) and if you read a little further in the chapter you are encouraged in v. 6 "If you point these things out to the brothers and sisters, you will be a good minister of Christ Jesus, nourished on the truths of the faith and of the good teaching that you followed."
Also keep in mind that Paul wrote to the Corinthians to warn them about their attitude regarding their freedom to choose God's way or the way of sin. (1 Cor. 10:23) ""I have the right to do anything", you say--but not everything is beneficial. "I have the right to do anything"--but not everything is constructive. So although we all have the freedom--especially here in the U.S.--just because you can doesn't necessarily mean you should or that it will be a good choice or good for your health.
I am sorry that sometimes we have to learn our lessons the hard way. I hope and pray that the young people will realize there are better choices to be made and also that the parents will allow their children to learn from their mistakes.
Posted by local, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Apr 11, 2012 at 11:21 am
Personally I don't think this article is a "news" story for Pleasanton. The alleged crime did not occur in Pleasanton. One of those charged grew up in Pleasanton. Is the weekly going to follow news from all over the world and if somebody is charged on something, and they were from Pleasanton, it will be published in the weekly? I consider this gossip. People are already jumping to conclusions on this although the person has only been charged, not convicted. I am sure if this person is found not guilty that it will not be news in the weekly. Printing articles about somebody being charged with an offense that did not occur in Pleasanton does not benefit our community at all. It just harms the person and their family reputation and creates an uncomfortable environment for them.
Posted by resident, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Apr 11, 2012 at 1:33 pm
To"posted by local"..THANK YOU. Exactly; this is just sensationalistic news. People seem to forget that this could have been YOUR child who made a stupid mistake. My child certainly has made stupid mistakes, but thankfully, none have been life altering. Where's the sense of compassion and community support? I feel very fortunate that I grew up in an era and in a place that was much more supportive and forgiving than Pleasanton seems to be. As I posted yesterday, my heart goes out to this young man and his family. I have a feeling that this family has a lot more going for them than you rigid, judgmental people who are criticizing them on this blog.
Posted by Resident, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Apr 11, 2012 at 4:16 pm
"People seem to forget that this could have been YOUR child who made a stupid mistake. "
And if it were my child or the child of someone I knew, I would not expect the media to stop reporting it just because it is someone I know! Would I be sad and somewhat embarrassed? Absolutely! Would I expect the media to stop reporting or people to stop giving opinions? NO!
". I have a feeling that this family has a lot more going for them than you rigid, judgmental people who are criticizing them on this blog. "
The family's situation is not what made the news. It was their ADULT "child" who committed a crime and made the news. This is about a college student who engaged in criminal conduct, not about whatever is going on in his family.
And fyi, this is not the only forum where people are entering comments. There are plenty of newspapers (online) where people are making comments about this.
The Pipes are out of line for wanting a newspaper to delete a story/forum just because it happens to be news about someone they know. The PW has reported stories about crimes/incidents outside of Pleasanton before, and I don't remember the Pipes making an issue about it or requesting that the news/forum be removed. The following happened outside of Pleasanton (at UC Davis)
and did we hear the Pipes complaining and requesting the post to be removed? I don't think so, so why should we now treat an article/forum differently just because it talks about someone the Pipes know and feel bad about? Nonsense!
I hope the PW ignores the Pipes. If they do what the Pipes are asking, the PW would lose many readers, because what would they report then? Only stories about Linda Pipe's recycling efforts? How boring!
Posted by banal, a resident of the Downtown neighborhood, on Apr 11, 2012 at 6:27 pm
Did I miss the trial? I hear a lot of presumption from ANGRY white people. I'm old and have trouble remembering things but I could've sworn we're innocent until proven guilty. Based on the article, there has been neither an arraignment nor an indictment. But, hey, Steve and DJ, don't let THAT spoil your fun.
Posted by Hannah Milano, a resident of the Amador Estates neighborhood, on Apr 11, 2012 at 11:32 pm
Pleasanton disgusts me for this article. Luckily I was born and raised in Massachusetts and honestly when I moved to Pleasanton, it ruined my life. I can not believe something that did NOT HAPPEN IN PLEASANTON IS BEING REPORTED LIKE THIS. ONE PERSON FROM PLEASANTON IN IT AND THIS HORRIBLE, JUDGEMENTAL, COOKIE CUTTER, BORED, PATHETIC TOWN THINKS IT IS OK TO RELEASE INFORMATION THAT DID NOT EVEN OCCUR THERE. THERE IS ALREADY ENOUGH PUBLICITY IN CHICO, DO YOU REALLY THINK HIM OR HIS FAMILY NEED THIS TOO? I have known this guy and family for years and they are one of the most caring, compassionate, smart, loving, understanding people unlike the people who find this ok what so ever. You make me sick. Thank god we got out of there at least.
Posted by Some Dude, a resident of the Avignon neighborhood, on Apr 12, 2012 at 5:09 am
I'm confused. Did you 'get out of' Pleasanton, or are you a resident of the Amador Estates neighborhood? And if you left this town that somehow ruined your life, why are you hanging around the Town Square forum?
When it comes to 'releasing information that did not even occur' here, well...ever picked up a newspaper? They're full of that kind of thing. It's weird, but sometimes they even write about far away places and events, even the ones more remote than Livermore and Dublin.
Posted by Bobby, a resident of the Danbury Park neighborhood, on Apr 12, 2012 at 8:13 am
The people on this forum calling for the removal of this story are doing this man a huge disservice. He is alleged to have been manufacturing drugs. MANUFACTURING DRUGS!! He burned down someone's rental property. Someone nice enough to rent their home to college students. Ennis, of you truly cared about him, Instead of coddling him you should be at his house knocking some sense into him. I'm sure his family and friends see him as the nice boy they watched grow up. Charged with manufacturing DRUGS!! The majority of decent young adults know better than this! PW, I appreciate you running this article. Maybe the actions of this young man will cause others to examine their kids.
Posted by Resident, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Apr 12, 2012 at 8:18 am
". I can not believe something that did NOT HAPPEN IN PLEASANTON IS BEING REPORTED LIKE THIS."
Wow! I cannot believe you actually said something so silly!
Well, imo, with all these people surrounding this family, no wonder the "kid" felt empowered to engaged in conduct that is not considered legal...imo, he probably knows that all the family friends like the Pipes and Milano will jump to his defense, make excuses, blame the world, harass people for even talking about it, request that the media does not report the facts, all just to protect the "feelings" of someone who is being accused of a crime and the feelings of his family....instead of seeing how they can help (legal defense, drug treatment, etc, these friends are here in this forum blaming the world for their current "sadness")
Posted by Hannah Milano, a resident of the Amador Estates neighborhood, on Apr 12, 2012 at 8:46 am
Yeah I did get out I am FROM here, unfortunately. And I am looking and commenting on this forum because this is one of my really close friends. "DRUGS"? its called marijuana hash oil. I'm sure all of the older people on this have smoked loads of marijuana and trust me, 90% of your kids are smoking hash oil. It's called an ACCIDENT. I am sure ALL of you have made accidents, you were just lucky enough to get away with it. Please just focus on your own problems, your family problems, and your friend problems. HE has nothing to do with YOU.
Posted by Hannah Milano, a resident of the Amador Estates neighborhood, on Apr 12, 2012 at 8:58 am
Everyone has a sad life, but it is clear whose lives are truly more sad looking at these comments. We are standing up for people we love and care about. You, on the other hand, are causing harassment and pain due to your own boredom and constant quench for drama. It truly makes your personality look disgusting. Bottom line, focus on your own problems.
Posted by Bobby, a resident of the Danbury Park neighborhood, on Apr 12, 2012 at 9:26 am
Thank you, Hannah Milano, for providing the wonderful parents of Pleasanton the stats that 90% of kids are doing drugs. I'm sure your parents are very proud that you feel that doing drugs is normal and almost burning down someone's house is ok...just an accident, people. With friends like you this young man will surely continue down the path of destruction.
Posted by Resident, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Apr 12, 2012 at 11:03 am
"HE has nothing to do with YOU."
Really? So you and his family will pay the salaries of the legal enforcement personnel involved? (You know, firemen, police, prosecutors, court staff) If not, then this concerns all of us, whose taxes are paying for all of this. Read about the various people involved so far (whose salaries are financed by taxpayers):
"Four fire engines and more than a dozen Fire Department personnel battled the blaze—which took about an hour to contain—as officers blocked nearby streets."
"Fire personnel found evidence of drug manufacturing and contacted the Butte County Interagency Narcotics Task Force (BINTF)."
"McKinnon said his team has done its part in the case by gathering evidence at the scene, and it’s now up to the courts to determine whether and how the damage to the house will affect prosecution and punishment."
"It's called an ACCIDENT."
No, it is called engaging in ILLEGAL ACTIVITIES. And an expensive one. Read on:
"Housemates Nicholas Glasco, 21, Devin Murphy and Cheyenne Havens, both 19, were arrested on charges of manufacturing a controlled substance with bail set at $100,000 each."
"Manufacturing honey oil is a felony offense, he noted."
Posted by Hannah Milano, a resident of the Amador Estates neighborhood, on Apr 12, 2012 at 1:39 pm
I lived in Massachusetts til I was ten and then I transferred to Pleasanton. Do not even try to say I'm stupid because I know marijuana is smoked by the majority of California. I am not trying to make excuses, I am trying to get you all to stop being so rude about it and making it worse. He did make a mistake, no excuse to it, everyone makes mistakes.Does that automatically give you the right to be so down right disrespectful? You are all just so close minded, you really need to open your eyes to the REALITY WE ALL LIVE IN. I know people who smoke weed everyday, are straight A students, have steady jobs, are athletic, talented, and 100 times more caring, compassionate, non-judgmental, open minded, and loving than any of you are making yourselves out to be right now.I don't know you, but really, open your eyes. ACCEPT LIFE.
Posted by Hannah Milano, a resident of the Amador Estates neighborhood, on Apr 12, 2012 at 1:46 pm
I know you are all strictly abiding citizens So I see your point. But really, there are a lot more messed up people who are out there, good people who mess up do not deserve jail. It is torture. And do you honestly believe the law is even on our side and protecting us...? Really, open your eyes.
Posted by Resident, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Apr 12, 2012 at 3:10 pm
". I know people who smoke weed everyday, are straight A students, have steady jobs, are athletic, talented, and 100 times more caring, compassionate, non-judgmental, open minded, and loving than any of you"
Do these people you know who smoke marihuana go around burning down a rental house? If you read the article (follow the link I posted above), it says that marihuana use is legal for some under prop 215 (medical need), but that making oil from it is NOT, and it is in fact, a felony.
So there is a difference between the people you know who smoke weed and this Chico student friend of yours who chose to go beyond that and do a dangerous thing that resulted in the burning of a house, thus putting not just his life in danger, but the lives of others (did you read the neighbor's comments about how bad the fire was), as well as destroying someone else's property.
Quit defending his actions, there is no defense to what he did. Maybe many smoke marihuana as you say, but not many go on to do something as dangerous as what your friend did.
Smoking marihuana is bad, but those who do so only put their own health at risk. Your friend put in danger the lives of others (fire), and destroyed someone else's property (fire)
Posted by Lil L, a resident of the Birdland neighborhood, on Apr 12, 2012 at 4:58 pm
My neighbors accidently burned down their house while deep frying some tacos. That wasn't a felony, though. But one of their kids stole a motorbike next door and took it on a joy ride. I argued that the entire family should have been put in jail. Wrong is just wrong. There is no gray area.
Posted by Hannah Milano, a resident of the Amador Estates neighborhood, on Apr 13, 2012 at 6:58 am
My parents know every bad thing I do and every single belief of the world that I have. Unlike your kids who are hiding almost everything from you in fear of your reaction, like this one. That's the one difference between your family and the Glasco's, they actually KNOW each other and are aware of the good and the bad. One step ahead of you guys if you ask me. That's why this comes to such a shock to you. I guarantee if you really really knew your kid you'd feel pretty bad bagging on someone else's so much.
Posted by Hannah Milano, a resident of the Amador Estates neighborhood, on Apr 13, 2012 at 7:03 am
OH MY GOD STOLE A MOTORBIKE!!!?? Nonsense!! Worst crime I have EVER heard. That poor kid and his family they need soooo much help. GOD DO YOU PEOPLE NOT KNOW WHAT GOES ON OUTSIDE OF YOUR TINY MAKE BELIEVE BUBBLE CALLED PLEASANTON? Seriously, read the news, be THANKFUL this is all that goes on in that town. Once again, open your eyes to REALITY.
Posted by Parent in P-Town, a resident of the Country Fair neighborhood, on Apr 13, 2012 at 8:03 am
I'm writing this to Nicholas and his parents. I don't know you, but I have a son who also made a stupid mistake around your age. You guys probably thought it's only hash oil (pretty much same as pot to you, but not to the law) and were doing what young people do. Unfortunately, there was a fire, but thank goodness no one was hurt. I don't understand the $100,000 bond - that seems ridiculous. Now you are going to see the justice system from the inside. You will see young people just like you but with no resources get harsher punishment. Follow what the judge tells you to do and take it seriously. Ignore the comments from people who 1) don't have kids, 2) were never young and did something stupid, or 3) have kids and are clueless about what they are up to when away from them. One last piece of advice: stay away from drugs
Posted by Hannah Milano, a resident of the Amador Estates neighborhood, on Apr 13, 2012 at 12:58 pm
At this point the article is already out in the open, can you just please stop being so rude now? Just stop. Drop it. Find something better to do to fill your shallow minds than harass and make cruel judgments when you really do not know any better. Just be good people and stop.
Posted by A Friend, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Apr 13, 2012 at 2:48 pm
You are the one who should stop. In fact, you shouldn't have started in the first place. I know this family, and to suggest that they condone this behavior, (btw, that means they were aware of what their son was doing, as you suggest when you state that, "they actually know each other and are aware of the good and the bad", but did nothing about it), is irresponsible of you. You actually did this family more harm than good. Please be a good person and stop.
Posted by Hannah Milano, a resident of the Amador Estates neighborhood, on Apr 13, 2012 at 3:28 pm
That person completely twisted my words, I did not literally mean his family knew this mistake was going to happen and were not going to do anything about it.That is not what I meant at all. Besides the point, Nick is one of my closest friends and he is appreciative of me standing up for him and his family.
Posted by Pleasanton Resident, a resident of the Downtown neighborhood, on Apr 13, 2012 at 5:59 pm
I'm sure you have other important things to do than to bring more attention to this family and matter. This is none of your business. You should stop now and worry about yourself. Bottom line, he broke the law, he damaged someone else's hard work to own property and put lives at risk, completely unacceptable. Stop defending someone who broke the law.
Also, Pleasanton did not ruin your life. The choices you made ruined your life. There are plenty of happy, loving, kind and successful people in Pleasanton. Every town, state, country has issues, don't blame this town. If you had an unhappy experience in your youth, it would have happened in any town. Every town has it's pros and cons. Seriously, grow up and stop blaming others and a town. Take responsibility for your decision and actions.
It sounds to me like you made life most difficult for your parents. Too bad, I'm sure they're wonderful, giving, loving and kind. Doesn't sound to me like you cared about them much.
I think you need to focus on the good in your life, leave the past behind and leave the Glasco family alone. I'm sure they would prefer you give them their privacy.
Posted by Julie, a resident of the Downtown neighborhood, on Apr 13, 2012 at 7:37 pm
I am sorry for what Nick and his family will be going through because of this accident. While many are overly condemning and judgmental, most people do understand youthful wrong doing is a part of the journey of growing up. It sounds like this is a good family and they will get through this and I wish them strength.
Hannah you are a good and caring friend don't let yourself get pulled deeper into this forum.
Posted by Lil L, a resident of the Birdland neighborhood, on Apr 15, 2012 at 12:53 am
Are you suggesting there's a moral hole somewhere? It sure sounds like it. A Chico college house burned down! I don't ingest alcohol, and I've never broken the law. At all. My church tells me pot smoking is really bad. I don't need to hear any more than that. It's against the law. It's immoral, as any moral person without a moral hole will tell you. Wrong is wrong. It's like child abuse. They're just the same.
Posted by Resident, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Apr 15, 2012 at 9:43 am
"Hash oil? Oh, the horrors. How many of you regularly ingest alcohol and have it in your homes? That's a recreational drug."
The difference is that alcohol is legal after you are a certain age; hash oil production is a felony, regardless of your age, and it is illegal even for those who can use marijuana under prop 215. And by drinking a glass of wine, you do not set a house on fire. By trying to make hash oil, these students set a house on fire. Big difference.
Posted by Resident, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Apr 15, 2012 at 9:52 am
"youthful wrong doing is a part of the journey of growing up"
Actually, not all young people do something so dumb. These guys set a house on fire. They went beyond the "youthful wrong" of doing drugs. They destroyed someone else's property and put the lives of the neighbors in danger (by causing a bad fire)
Posted by Lou, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Apr 15, 2012 at 4:51 pm
Here is another take on the above comments and the Pleasanton Weekly Town Square forum in general. First I do agree that this story should be reported whether or not it occurred in Ptown. Stories from around the world are reported, many of which are sad, uncomfortable and include Pleasantonians. I do not believe in media censorship. What I do question is having it on the Weekly Forum and here is why...
In the olden days before blogging and the Pleasanton Weekly Town Square forum, this (and many other stories) would have found their way into the printed paper and been read by the populace at large. DJ and Steve and others would have read the paper while drinking coffee and made their comments about bad parenting, lack of parenting, whatever to their spouses and that would have been that. Oh, perhaps they might have had enough attention span to then also gossip maliciously with a friend or two over drinks or at a coffee house. Maybe, just maybe they would have felt strongly enough to write a letter to the editor. But probably not, because they wouldn't be able to do that anonymously and it takes time to craft a response, email it in and wait for the call giving permission to print. So in the end, the story is properly reported, read, tsk-tsked to friends about and everyone moves on - including the family the story is written about.
Fast forward to the Pleasanton Weekly Town Square forum. Same story, same reporting, but now DJ and Steve can share their ignorance immediately and publically without the filter of even a few seconds and without regard to how this may affect others. Where it was once contained griping within the household or simple malicious gossip between friends of a feather, now it is broadcast to all and to what purpose? These writers do not know anything about the parenting of these people...why? because they aren't them, they aren't part of their parenting process and therefore...ignorant. They really don't know anything about what happened in Chico...why? because they weren't there, they aren't these young adults and therefore, they are writing from... ignorance. And "ignorance is bliss" only if the rest of us are blissfully unaware of their ignorance.
We caution our children about cyber-bullying, yet the Pleasanton Weekly Town Square Forum is simply permitted cyber-bullying in a semi-civilized skin. We attempt to help our children deal with bullies, then we allow cyber-bullies like DJ and Steve and the like to bully at will via the forum. I have yet to read comments on the forum that are universally positive...even if the article itself is positive in nature. Forum comments are almost always negative and, yes, bullying in nature. What a sad commentary on a wonderful community like Pleasanton. I only take solace in the thought that only a small segment of our community write in and cyber-bully via the forum. Perhaps my mom's rule of "if you can't say something nice, perhaps you should say nothing at all" is old fashioned, but I will continue to teach that to my children and perhaps Pleasanton will once again be...well, pleasant.
Posted by Sick and Tired, a resident of the Amberwood/Wood Meadows neighborhood, on Apr 15, 2012 at 5:04 pm
Whatever, Lou. Five voluminous paragraphs of holier-than-thou irrelevant minutiae and a lot of name-calling to boot. I resent your bullying attacks upon Steve and DJ. They're among the very few on these threads who don't have a moral hole in their head.
Posted by Mitch Free, a resident of another community, on Apr 15, 2012 at 8:29 pm
This story has little to no relevance to the Pleasanton Weekly. Is news in town THAT slow that you have to fill the paper with this supposed crime that took place in another county, hundreds of miles away? Stick to schilling for Realtors and hiding comments you don't like Pleasanton Weekly, not dragging people's name through the mud for a little filler content between your advertisements.
Posted by MHK, a resident of the Pleasanton Heights neighborhood, on Apr 15, 2012 at 9:00 pm
Wow, some of these comments are super judgemental and disrespectful. What happened happened and whatever happens next is NOT going to reflect the forum of the Pleasanton Weekly. I hope some of you (parents) are proud for attacking some of the youth in Pleasanton who thought they were just voicing their opinion in a SAFE environment (because the Pleasanton weekly could never be thought of as anything else). And I just have to wonder what you think about abuse and safety of the web. IF he does choose to follow this "destructive" path, I hope it's in Pleasanton so you guys can be first on the scene! I hope you teach your children to not talk as much sh*t as you!
Posted by Sonny, a resident of the Happy Valley neighborhood, on Apr 16, 2012 at 12:40 pm
First of all, any parent whose kid is enrolled in Chico ought to be embarrassed for the poor job of parenting they have done. Cooking hash oil? What other alternatives are there for youths who are locked into a student ghetto that has no academics to speak of and everyone around is getting plastered?
21 is young. Brain scientists now tell us that our brains remain immature into our late 20's. So, yes, 16 year-olds can make mistakes because their brains haven't yet sufficiently developed. (Punching holes in tires anyone?) And, yes, 22 year-olds can make the same kinds of mistakes for the same reasons. Unfortunately, our laws in this regard are archaic and haven't yet caught up with modern science.
Kids marrying at 21 and starting a family? Surefire recipe for all kinds of familial breakup and other forms of disaster. (See the catastrophe Booby above.)
Posted by anonymos, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Apr 16, 2012 at 7:48 pm
All you people need to back off. Nick and his family are good people. People make bad choices sometimes and he will learn from this. I bet most your kids have or will try pot or some other drugs. So don't be quick to pass judgment on him or his family for that matter. He and his family are suffering enough.
Posted by Ptown resident, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Apr 16, 2012 at 10:11 pm
i grew up with this guy and went to the same school. Although we didn't hang out and whatnot, we did bump into each other often and did so enough for me to know he is a good kid. He's generally honest, reliable, happy, responsible, and generous. It is truly sad that an incident like this happened, and i wish him and his family the best of luck in overcoming this situation.
that being said...
Nick is twenty one years old. What happened hear has absolutely nothing to do with parenting, schools, lack of youth programs, or government involvement. Bringing big brother (police dogs, backpack searches, ect) into schools will not solve this "problem". The reason he got into trouble was because HE got into trouble. Parents have less of an impact on a child than they realize, and i feel the accusation is bombastic. I made my own choices in life to get where i am today (a very respectful place) and i didn't grow up in a perfect house and yes i did smoke pot and whatnot as a kid; but really it comes down to when you reach 18, you are responsible for your own choices and everyone knows that. He should have taken the opportunity to grow up and learn all laws have a purpose, even if you don't agree or don't see a reason to follow it. Stop saying totalitarian solutions like police dogs and brain scanners are going to stop kids from smoking pot. People are people and make their own choices. Innocent until proven guilty... that is how we should treat our youth; not as if we govern their ability to make choices, to believe parents or anybody could do so is beyond arrogant.
Posted by Ptown resident, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Apr 16, 2012 at 10:30 pm
by the way there is so much stuff to do in this town. You are 45 minutes from surf, have several local skateparks and hiking/biking mountains, an awesome movie theater just over the freeway, tons of places where you don't get mugged, local junior college, a MALL, and every possible advantage a kid could ever want. i was just relocated to a place that has at most a quarter of the amenities i had as a kid back in Pleasanton. Please take advantage of what you have now. Start some silly dodge ball league at THE SPORTS PARK (oh dear another awesome place). Make ships inside of bottles or bottles around ships (not sure how they do that), or go snowboarding, or go to the city, or drive to santa cruz. You all live in one of the most bountiful places on earth and i would kill to be back there. Just because there aren't parties every night doesn't mean there is nothing to do. Get wreckless, just not incarcerated.
Posted by shredder love crew, a member of the Amador Valley High School community, on Apr 17, 2012 at 6:04 pm
hung out with nick all threw high school. we both smoked weed for the first time together, was one of my best friends and one of the best friends you can have. Everyone makes mistakes including me but the fact that he was in school and bettering his life is a lot more than most "stoners" do with there lives. I know everyone is entitled to there own opinion but i actually knew this kid inside and out. love you bro hope your safe. -Kat Matt
Posted by Pleasanton Resident, a member of the Amador Valley High School community, on Apr 18, 2012 at 10:22 am
Those in support of Nick, stop making excuses. According to the news and those who know his family, the three men were producing an illegal drug, he broke the law, he damaged someone else's property, and potentially put lives at risk. He deserves to be punished for his actions if he is found guilty. That's it, end of discussion.
His family will find a way to get through this difficult time and hopefully they will learn a few lessons as well. One consideration might be; if you know you're son is a frequent pot smoker, why in the hell would you support his decision to attend school in Chico of all places. Seriously, most of the time when you hear someone talking about Chico, the word pot is in the same sentence. Yes, we know drugs are at all college's, but Chico has the reputation as one of the worst. Also, drug use is a choice and it's illegal. Many people who live in Pleasanton do not do drugs.
Lastly, please, please stop blaming Pleasanton. That is such bullshit. You should be thankful to be luckily enough to live in this town. Many have already said a number a great things about this town. Those of you who feel differently, MOVE! If you're here because you live with your parents, stop feeling sorry for yourself, grow up and appreciate what you have. If you're unhappy here, it's you, not the town. Pleasanton has all walks of life, diversity of all types and plenty of opportunity. Sure, Pleasanton has areas of improvement, but what town doesn't.
Those of you bashing Pleasanton need to go live in the bad parts of Oakland or Stockton and see first hand how lucky you are. Some of you are so ungrateful.
Posted by S and T, a resident of the Amberwood/Wood Meadows neighborhood, on Apr 18, 2012 at 12:41 pm
Hey shredder kat matt! Good seeing you and your family at the Patriotic Tea Party Rally at the fairgrounds and KFC this passed saturday. Bummer about Nick, doncha think? Thats' what happens when your exposed all day long to a montra of liberal socialist education.
Posted by S and T, a resident of the Amberwood/Wood Meadows neighborhood, on Apr 18, 2012 at 12:41 pm
Hey shredder kat matt! Good seeing you and your family at the Patriotic Tea Party Rally at the fairgrounds and KFC this passed saturday. Bummer about Nick, doncha think? Thats' what happens when your exposed all day long to a montra of liberal socialist education.
Posted by Mitch Free, a resident of another community, on Apr 18, 2012 at 1:28 pm
It is always the holier than thou types with all the parenting answers that are scared to comment using their real name. Why is that?
People make mistakes, sometimes big ones, just be thankful nobody got hurt. I'm sure the kid is going to pay for this many times over, quit piling on anonymously via Internet, go outside, or even talk to your perfect little children. Maybe they aren't as perfect as you thought, and that is why you are scared to leave your real names?
Posted by Stop P-Town Bashing, a member of the Amador Valley High School community, on Apr 19, 2012 at 9:08 am
Let's see a student at Chico who graduated from Amador in 2008 (it's 2012 so that probably makes him - 24!!!!) Who was a "good kid" as described from his peers in these comments...is among those arrested in a drug bust in CHICO (not P-Town) and we are blaming Pleasanton community, society, schools AND his parents!!!! Get a life guys - at some point a person (Young Adult) becomes responsible for their own choices and has nothing to do with where they grew up or their parents!!! He's been at college for 4 years - could it not be Chico's problem not P-towns??? How about just chalking it up to the kid making his own (albeit bad) decisions? EVERY community has drug issues - some more than others - like poverty and prostitution it will never go away - doesn't mean we don't fight it, but at 24 it's the person's decision not a "rich p-town, parent" bashing issue.
Posted by Jennifer, a resident of the Del Prado neighborhood, on May 16, 2012 at 7:21 am
It's sad people in Pleasanton have nothing better to do than track down the problems of old residents. This happened in Chico, leave it in Chico and focus on Pleasanton. All this shows is marijuana should be legalized so people don't have to resort to making their own medicine. My heart goes out to these people.