Posted by SteveP, a resident of the Parkside neighborhood, on Feb 24, 2012 at 8:35 am SteveP is a member (registered user) of PleasantonWeekly.com
gloria, they intend to camp, but their efforts at squatting on other's property will be met with resistance from law enforcement, no doubt bringing cries of brutality and threats of lawsuits. Bring out the batons and stun guns....I love the smell of pepper spray in the morning.
This is all for show, an attempt to prove the union is relevant, by drawing attention to a private employers attempt to run their business at a profit without union interference. 2 years now and the union still doesn't get it.........move on.
Posted by me, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Feb 24, 2012 at 10:17 am
I knew that sooner or later Occupy would come to Pleasanton!
Like 99% of people in Pleasanton I have NOTHING to do with this. I don't belong to Castlewood or work there and I didn't even live here when this happened. Yet this (literally) will pass by my backyard
I wonder how many of the people that attending are even directly involved in this? From what I've read in this and other articles about this, few if any of the protestors are former Castlewood employees. These people are looking for a place to cause trouble.
Posted by Faye, a resident of the Castlewood Heights neighborhood, on Feb 24, 2012 at 11:21 am
I can only scoff at the commie rabble rousers who think coming into my neighborhood and stinking up the place will change anyone's mind. My parents taught me to not rock the boat and to kiss up whenever it might please those above me. I follow the American Dream which is not rocking the boat but rather sailing the boat to my own private island of greed. Anything else is collectivist tyranny.
Posted by Faye, a resident of the Castlewood Heights neighborhood, on Feb 24, 2012 at 6:18 pm
Why should I care about some union slime that talks about its workers making a fair living wage? This is about me! I golf at Castlewood! This stuff is way over your head, Cholo. Give it up for us brainy ones who are saving this country from the commie unions and liberal loony elites.
Posted by Harriet B. Hind, a resident of the Downtown neighborhood, on Feb 24, 2012 at 6:55 pm
Hey cholo-on other hand get a life
some of us do work hard to live and work in Pleasanton. this stupid occupy is going right next to my house and work- how many of these MORONS live in Pleasanton-NONE probably and probably the ones with Occupy don't even WORK or worked at the club.
I am glad the our SWAT team is one of the best in the area and I pray we don't have to use them.
Posted by Calzypher, a resident of the Pleasanton Meadows neighborhood, on Feb 25, 2012 at 3:50 pm
The Weekly makes a biased error when writing: "After months of talks, management offered to bring the workers back -- as long as the club managers could fire or lay people off without taking seniority into consideration." The language acceptable to the employer is: IF there were layoffs, the club would consider both seniority and job performance. The Union wants to eliminate job performance as a criteria.
The Weekly can't be trusted to report the facts. If they could, they'd also report that the Union has never allowed the workers to vote on the Club's "Last and Final Offer." The workers should be the ones to judge if the offer is acceptable, not the Union and not the Pleasanton Weekly.
Posted by Private property rules , a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Feb 25, 2012 at 5:30 pm
Ca is an 'at will' state. If the employer has a headache, he can fireat at his will, whomever he wishes....as it should be. Ooops, I forgot union workers don't live in the real world. They demand their own world, Odd, since they don't risk or create any company or organization. But their 'DEMANDS" trump all logic, common sense, financial risk, etc etc.
There is still zero justification for anybody not invited to BE on private property, much less camp out...how totally insane....maybe CCC should put up some NO TRESPASSING. . .INVITATION ONLY signs !!
There should be, if not already, MEMBERS AND GUESTS ONLY signs,
Posted by seriously?, a resident of the Downtown neighborhood, on Feb 25, 2012 at 7:08 pm
You've got to be kidding me. You KNOW that's not going to happen, you just say whatever you want against Obama. Hello democrats and communists are very different things although I know you don't want to think so. If you don't want Obama reelected maybe pick the least clowny member of the GOP although that might not be possible.
Posted by Faye, a resident of the Castlewood Heights neighborhood, on Feb 25, 2012 at 8:12 pm
Ever since they allowed workers into the workplace, we've been circling down the drain of communism.
It wasn't auto workers who made Fords and Chevies, it was the job creating hero owners. It wasn't steel workers or iron workers or lumber industrial workers who made this country, it was job creating hero owners. Take the workers out of the equation, and you still have the factories. See what I mean? Inserting workers into the equation has just been a surefire recipe for communism and the Democrat Party.
By the same token, what creates value in a product isn't the labor that goes into the "production" but rather what job creating owners say its value should be. That's why workers shouldn't have any rights in the workplace. Workers have only always been a drain on the system.
Only job creating heroes own property. Workers own only their bodies, but the creator heroes own those bodies once the workers step onto private workplace property. Excuse me, I have a headache and so I think I'll fire a few people today. Oh, excuse me, I don't like hearing my boys use Black English Vernacular in my workplace, so I think I'll fire them. Oh, excuse me, I hate women and especially single ones who don't allow for ultrasound probes into their bodies. All women in fact belong at home and so I think I'll fire a few. This is the way it should be and would be if it weren't for the wretched communists aka Democrat Party.
Posted by Worker B, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Feb 25, 2012 at 10:08 pm
Faye, or whatever your name really is, it is obvious by reading your ramblings that you have never employed anyone in your life. You have always been on the receiving end of a paycheck and never the one to give it. If you had ever had the responsibility to employ someone then you would understand that you never fire a good worker. Why you ask? Well, good workers are hard to come by. Having a good paying job is not a right; you have to work for it. You have to produce a product that is of value to the employer. If you do not come to work, are late to work on a regular basis or cannot/will not produce what the employer needs for his business to be successful then it is the employers right to bring in someone that will. Just because you have been employed for 5 years does not give you the right to produce less than someone else. You may call it “kissing up” but most of America calls it earning a paycheck.
The locked out employees need to get past this and move on to other jobs. The ship has sailed on their employment at Castlewood.
Posted by Faye, a resident of the Castlewood Heights neighborhood, on Feb 26, 2012 at 4:15 am
There are so many people who exist in la-la land. They think they need govt protection against employer discrimination. But they live in a fantasy world. I've always fired women at first opportunity because, face it, women don't do as good a job as men do. Same with blacks. I don't even bother to hire them because they just can't do a good job. And Latinos? Forget about it! The govt needs to stay out of my affairs. I should be able to hire and fire whomever I want. I just know that some types of people are inferior to others.
These la-la land folks also think that unions should be able to engage in collective bargaining, have a right to grieve workplace health and safety issues, and even operate on a principle of seniority. If I had my way, I'd fire every worker who passes the 50 mark. At 50, they begin to slow down a bit, and I can get fresh blood and pay them less. So, hit the road Jack! Let your kids take care of you. Just because you're old and have worked for my company for 30 years doesn't give you any special rights. I'm about profit. For me. No one else. Move on with your life. Beg on the freeway ramps or something, but don't come around here anymore! Your ship has sailed.
Posted by Joe, a resident of the Pleasanton Meadows neighborhood, on Feb 26, 2012 at 12:23 pm
Calzypher, time for a reality check. The workers already voted. The existing labor contract expired. For the new contact, the workers (as represented by their union) had certain wage and benefit demands which were rejected by Castlewood. As it was free to do. Just as the workers were free to make whatever demands they did. Castlewood moved on and obtained labor from another source. Whatever that source, and whatever the terms are with that source, it's obviously working for both parties. At this point the workers are no more entitled to a vote than I am.
The union had an opportunity to negotiate terms, and for whatever reason they were unable to reach an agreement with Castlewood. They can't go back and cry foul. This is reality, this is business, this is life, this isn't a kids' sandlot baseball game where there are do-overs.
Posted by Faye, a resident of the Castlewood Heights neighborhood, on Feb 26, 2012 at 1:26 pm
I personally have always favored scab labor of the type employed at Castlewood. (And boy has that worked out for the company!) Scabs work for less, are better behaved, and kiss up better than union workers. That's why I've never hired black people. They're too uppitty. And women are too emotional. Old people? Too slow. This is business, not a kid's game. Oh, the courts might have something to say about this at the end of the day, but we didn't vote judges into office. Activist judges and all that are a socialist plot to undermine our business democracy. Judges are just really bad. We don't really need them.
Posted by Kathleen Ruegseggere, a resident of the Vintage Hills Elementary School neighborhood, on Feb 26, 2012 at 1:59 pm
Faye, Scab is a endearing union term for those human beings/employees who are happily employed yet don't want or need to be part of a union. Funny really, because the only ones who are sore are the unions. You prove that degrading other people is acceptable when a union is involved.
Posted by Private property rules , a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Feb 26, 2012 at 2:42 pm
The photo in today's paper of the protesters marching with signs was disgusting. Such rude, uncivilized behavior is no way to 'win over' anybody or anything. These 3rd worlders don't even realize they are never going to get those jobs back, and they are just being used as puppets of the union bosses...doing their dirty work for them. Of course they are all being paid to protest.. I wonder if protester the job they write on their tax returns.
Posted by Faye, a resident of the Castlewood Heights neighborhood, on Feb 26, 2012 at 3:05 pm
You're so right Kathleen Ruggleswiggle. The union scum always applied the word 'scab' to those who crossed a picket line during a strike or a lockout. But I like your private definition better. Yours is based on objective reality. Scabs are just people who prefer to work for poverty-level wages, without collective bargaining and grievance rights, with no claims to seniority on the job, who can be fired by their employer without cause.
My mom always told me, "If union work is paying $12 an hour, it's better to do the same job for $6 an hour if it's non-union, because unions are bad, really really bad."
Today, unions consist mostly of people who look like they belong back in the 3rd world country they or their ancestors came from. It's disgusting. You can tell just by looking at them that they don't belong here. Where's Bull Conner, fire hoses and police dogs when we need them?
Posted by Kathleen Ruegseggere, a resident of the Vintage Hills Elementary School neighborhood, on Feb 27, 2012 at 8:30 am
Ahhh, Faye . . . they are just people willing to work while some other people are willing to walk a picket line--and most often they are not lock outs, but an attempt to leverage bargaining for wages and benefits. I actually held a non-union job at a company where the teamsters decided to picket (no lock out). I and others like me were expected to stay home and lose pay rather than cross their line. We crossed despite the damage and threats. There are not so long ago local examples of the very same behavior.
What do "3rd world country" people look like Faye? Did your mom mention that you get $12 an hour in a union job and pay a hefty portion of it in dues, of which a great portion is used for political campaigning?
Joe is right--you aren't doing yourself any favors.
Posted by Faye, a resident of the Castlewood Heights neighborhood, on Feb 27, 2012 at 12:24 pm
Yes, Rigglesquiggel, it's best that we ignore most history of the American labor movement, because, face it, it was communist from the get-go and today unions threaten to tear down this great country. Workers collectively striking for a livable wage, benefits, workplace health and safety, decent hours, vacation pay, security against arbitrary dismissals -- a very dark extended period of America's history. Thank goodness there has been scab Rigglesquiggel and others to protect the dignity of this country against union scum.
Actually, Rigglesquiggel is not a scab, despite what her fellow workers likely said about her. No, she just happened to be going to work on the day a strike was launched. Yes, officer, I crunched up my neighbor's car a bit, but it was just an innocent meeting of our fenders. When my daddy beat my mom, officer, it wasn't domestic abuse, he was just correcting her. The bruises were simply corrective reminders.
There is a book out there, I know there is, somewhere, on the bravery and nobility of scabs, and how the state police was often called in to bash heads so as to protect their scab freedom to violate workers' picket lines and other forms of collectivist solidary workers' struggle. Written many decades ago, before pre WWII, I still don't think it has been translated from the original German.
Private Property Rules and I don't have to justify what we see with our own eyes. The PW photo, as Private Property Rules, stated, clearly shows 3rd worlders acting in an uncivilized manner. We need more more scabs like Rigglesquiggel to save us from the 3rd world union scum.
Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger, a resident of the Vintage Hills Elementary School neighborhood, on Feb 27, 2012 at 12:40 pm
Faye, You really have to stretch to miss making a point and miss a point made as well--I had a non-union job at the company. I owed the union nothing and they had no right to prevent me from working. Yes, history is important, but the case already has been made and so unions are declining in membership (which is why you want WalMart to unionize and bring in 1.4 million members).
The second paragraph is meant to goad. The third is BS. And the fourth is letting your slip show.
Posted by Billy B., a resident of another community, on Feb 27, 2012 at 12:50 pm
2 YEARS!!!! How much have they LOST in Wages and Benefits? Castlewood was willing to compromise, but the UNION said NO!!!!! All or Nothing. So I guess after 2 years they got nothing. Where are these people working? Are they Union Jobs? Recieving Union Benefits? Or are they living off your TAX DOLLARS? Welfare?
Why doesn't somebody adk them that question. Why can't they go and get a job somewhere besides Castlewood? I doubt that you will see them marching without shoes, or starving half way through the march. Unions = Socialism. There is no other goal. If there is I would be glad to debate anyone.
Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger, a resident of the Vintage Hills Elementary School neighborhood, on Feb 27, 2012 at 5:46 pm
Don't know Billy. And you just don't like Cato. One can't tout unions as saviors of the working class without recognizing the violence and discrimination in their past and present--against other union members, against people who are co-workers trying to work for a living without union "help," against their own members, against their employers, against those who would be glad to take their places because they are glad to have the work. Your rant is typical of the rage often spent on other innocents.
I think most agree unions changed working conditions for the better once upon a time. But it is not rational, understandable, or pretty to watch those you work with side by side one day be the same people screaming at you the next or chanting in front of your home or sending hate mail to coworkers who work because they have a family to support--and those were the nicest of the picketers. You can't change my experiences. Ranting about scabs only makes you someone to pity.
Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger, a resident of the Vintage Hills Elementary School neighborhood, on Feb 27, 2012 at 6:27 pm
Gollum, Ask the editor--only post with one name. There were no Pinkertons or McCarthyites or union busters where I was, only union members--so why the violence, why the mistreatment of co-workers, why the damage to property? There was no reason for any of it despite all your foamy rhetoric.
Posted by Faye, a resident of the Castlewood Heights neighborhood, on Feb 28, 2012 at 1:01 am
I've always pitied those who don't trust their own experiences. I crossed a picket line at a swank hotel, and the union thug bedsheet changers called me a scab and threatened to wrap me up in dirty linen. I called hotel security but no one else heard the threats. In fact, they even said the bedsheet changers weren't even on strike. But I knew better. It seems the high school intern assigned to editing this site wasn't able to appreciate how Woody Guthrie's celebrations of scab labor in song has been at the foundation of what has made America great. This land is my land. This land is my land. And I'll cut your redwoods for my personal gain. I'm a scab I am I am. Let's be clear about one thing. When Riggleswiggle says "there were no Pinkertons or McCarthyites or union busters where I was," her experience may well have eclipsed the reality that by crossing the picket line set up by the folks in her workplace, she was acting as a scab union buster. But why trust reality when you've got your own personal experience to go on. Heck, she was just goin' to work, that's all. And some were picketing. Shucks. The important thing is that she was able to get hers, and who cares about anyone else? All the treatises on labor history say the same thing. America couldn't have progressed without scabs defying picket lines.
Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger, a resident of the Vintage Hills Elementary School neighborhood, on Feb 28, 2012 at 8:30 am
"Defying picket lines" - very telling. So people who have jobs at company XYZ and with no grievance with their employers and with families to care for are to join the picketers or they are defying whom? An almighty union? If there is legitimate reason, under contract (rarely), that allows union members to strike, have at it. Try peaceful methods for a change; who knows, one could gain support for the grievance. But the rules for the union members do not apply to non-union members. What gives unions the right to prevent others from working? Nothing.
And I would support union members who cross a picket line for the same reasons--they have a job and have dependent families. The truth is, people choose to take a job for the job not because they want to join a union. Otherwise, why not let them opt out, skip the dues? If membership was optional, numbers would dwindle. Can't have that!
"Scab" has referred to those non-union workers who crossed a picket line to take a union member's job--a term purposely meant to be demeaning--not for non-union members who have a job to go to. The reality for union leadership is there are people lined up to take those union jobs. They are glad for the days, weeks, months, or possible permanence and stability it provides for their families.
Tough to support someone breaking your windshield or slashing your tires or using a truck cab as a toilet or even something as non-violent as a leaving a letter for a co-worker telling them how awful they are even when you know their personal circumstances. Sing all the songs you want; it's a concert I'll skip.
Posted by Joe, a resident of the Pleasanton Meadows neighborhood, on Feb 28, 2012 at 11:41 am
At Will and Right-to-Work - there were some comments earlier in the thread about CA being an at-will state...let's expand on that a bit.
CA is an "at will" state meaning that, in principle, employees and employers are able to hire and fire at will, with or without cause. In practice, however, a terminated worker is able to sue for wrongful termination. An example of wrongful termination is whistle-blowing; when a worker is fired because he or she uncovered an illegal practice and brought it to the attention of the authorities.
However, CA is not a "right to work" state. Meaning, in large part, that it is legal for a union to "close a shop" by establishing a contract with the employer that prohibits the hiring non-union members.
In the most recent example, Boeing chose to build a new factory in SC in part because of its status as a right-to-work state. Boeing's existing factories in WA are burdened because WA is not a right-to-work state, and has a higher cost of labor. Boeing had an alternative to build overseas, where the cost of labor is even less than in SC, but it chose to stay in the US. The US and Boeing win, workers in SC win, and it's fair to say that workers in WA lost out.
Posted by Robert, a resident of the Downtown neighborhood, on Feb 28, 2012 at 2:19 pm
Joe is right on the money. If we didn't have unions, we could more likely have a "right to work" system which entitles people to work for below subsistence wages. Better than nothing! Like Boeing, which was able to move to South Carolina instead of Indonesia. That way Boeing didn't have to move all the way across the world to pay 3rd world wages. Boeing can pay 3rd world wages to the "right to work" patriots in South Carolina. BTW, I love S. Caroline, its people and its politics. It's one of the more advanced places to live in the US. I'd much rather live there than loony California or snooty Seattle. It has some of the world's best university football teams too.
I can attest to Kathleen Reugsegger's experiences. Labor historians have never tired of chronicling how bad union workers are. They poop in the cabs of pick-up trucks and write people letters saying they shouldn't be scabs. And those are the nice ones. Ode to a scab is one of America's great poems. Oh, and BTW, Faye shouldn't mock innocent people who post their hatred on these sites. She is truly someone to be pitied.
Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger, a resident of the Vintage Hills Elementary School neighborhood, on Feb 28, 2012 at 4:12 pm
Not a pick up truck RayeobertF, semis. And it isn't all union members that are bad; in fact I'd argue most union members are just hardworking people. It's just the most radicalized fringe members or those hired to walk the picket lines or brought in to do the dirty work for the leadership (do you guys pay union wages for that "work"?).
Posted by Robert, a resident of the Downtown neighborhood, on Feb 28, 2012 at 6:56 pm
Oh my goodness! The liberal loony university history books talk about American union members getting their heads bashed in and losing their lives in an attempt to advance their filthy agenda -- vacation pay, 40 hour work week, seniority rights, right to grieve arbitrary/discriminatory employer practices, right to collectively bargain, minimum wage, the right to work in a safe and healthy environment, even the right to strike. But that doesn't begin to compare to the heroic scabs like Kathleen Reugsegger who have suffered having letters written to them and poop in their semis because they were out for themselves. No wonder people hate unions so. We should rely upon scabs' personal experiences with union poopers more so than the filthy lies printed in snobbish academic history books. Thank goodness for all the scabs in American labor who have advanced the rights of workers the way they have.
Posted by Faye, a resident of the Castlewood Heights neighborhood, on Feb 28, 2012 at 9:12 pm
Yes, by all means. Rather than deal with what people are saying, complain about their names instead. Very very funny. Face it, Steve, scabs made this country whether you like it or not. Unions, on the other hand, represent everything that is backwards in this country. I'm certain you agree. Evidence? All we need is a scab's experiential testimonial like Ruggleswiggle or blind belief as comes from the likes of you, Steve, and others on our side. The times they are a changin', with us winning over one scab at a time. BTW, I'm certain there was no reported violence from the union Occupy thugs because of the heavy police presence. Otherwise, they would have spread out through the community writing letters and leaving scat behind in semi cabs. Keep on keeping the discourse on these sites civil and rational, Steve, like only you can do. Or, appeal to censorship. Either option suits you.
Posted by Faye, a resident of the Castlewood Heights neighborhood, on Feb 28, 2012 at 9:22 pm
Ah yes, Ruggleswiggle, playing your true suit, the censorship card. After playing the victim card. It must be difficult being consistently the laughingstock of the site. Hey, if you don't like Walmart, just quit! If you don't like my comments, use your liberty and go somewhere else. That's your logic, isn't it?
Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger, a resident of the Vintage Hills Elementary School neighborhood, on Feb 28, 2012 at 9:50 pm
yeaRoFbert, I've never been a victim; I just went to work. My employer had a tougher time though. I actually said, if you don't like WalMart, go ahead and organize the employees. So far, all you have ever posted is derogatory comments about everyone who isn't part of your high school clique.
Posted by Faye, a resident of the Castlewood Heights neighborhood, on Feb 29, 2012 at 12:32 pm
Hey, Starchy, Woody Guthrie never sang about union-sponsored health plans. He did sing many a tune which celebrated being a scab, however. Which no doubt influenced Rugglesquiggle, you and others. But most famously, he wrote and sang about freedom being about not affording insurance for your family. He wrote another one: "Which side are you on?" The side of the union scum suckers who poop all over the place, or the virtuous millionaires who are too financially encumbered to pay more than 15% in taxes toward the alleviation of child poverty?
Rugglesquiggle says censorship isn't her call. It isn't up to her. She and her close buddy Steve only promote it, that's all. And why? Because some people's contributions to the discourse are just killing the efforts of the two-digit IQ crowd who use these sites to spew their hatred of teachers, unions, poopers, snobs, elitists, environmentalists, Dems, local pols, scientists, readers, bike riders, low income home dwellers, women, Safeway checkout clerks and shelve stockers, socialists, communists, Jews, muslims, gays, Obama, Nancy Pelosi, unemployed, street protesters, contributors who use their first name if it isn't steve or Starchy ... well, the list goes on, and on, and on.
I'm with Rugglesquiggle and steve and Starchy. Anyone who points out a hatemonger's hate through use of ridicule or sarcasm -- liberal loons would call this mockery -- should be blocked from using this site. We're too secure in our ideas to have them subjected to such beating and abuse. Like Harriet Meyers, we'll never ever change our minds. It's because of our experiences.
Posted by Stacey, a resident of the Amberwood/Wood Meadows neighborhood, on Feb 29, 2012 at 12:54 pm Stacey is a member (registered user) of PleasantonWeekly.com
Of course Guthrie sang about protesting over healthcare plans. That's why you brought him up on this thread. His song reflects the great struggle over being locked out because of a dispute over healthcare benefit plans. You know the tune. It's a catchy one; more famous than his song about the ladies' auxiliary. Surely it reflects the struggle with Castlewood.
Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger, a resident of the Vintage Hills Elementary School neighborhood, on Feb 29, 2012 at 1:15 pm
Really, Gollum, you are so precious. I don't hate teachers; do disagree with some union policies and certainly their tactics and bad behavior, but I know a lot of members of unions and they are good people (can't work in a school district and not know someone in a union). And as usual, the rest of your list is just drivel. I would never entertain the idea of calling you a contributor, that's for sure!
Oh, and the only hate monger out here is someone using terms like scab.