Prop. 8 Unconstitutional State, National, International, posted by Stacey, a resident of the Amberwood/Wood Meadows neighborhood, on Feb 7, 2012 at 10:47 am Stacey is a member (registered user) of PleasantonWeekly.com
Posted by daneva, a resident of the Parkside neighborhood, on Feb 7, 2012 at 10:52 am
Yeah, the 9th circus court love the clown show. Next they'll allow people to marry their pets. I'm not prejudiced, but I was taught to avoid stepping in dog doo whenever possible. The circus clowns are rubbing our noses in it.
Posted by Michelle, a resident of the Apperson Ridge neighborhood, on Feb 7, 2012 at 12:24 pm
I've raised my children to be good, God-fearing Republicans who have a strong moral sense, unlike the liberal godless ones spending tens of millions of dollars to support perverse lifestyles. And then the courts expect my children to have to watch two people of the same sex kissing one another? Ewwwwww. That is torture of the majority's right to see only what God has intended us to see. I read recently that the gay immoral lifestyle is what has caused 50% of heterosexual marriages in this country to end up in divorce. And it ruins the children. God help us all. Its judicial activism. There's nothing in the Constitution that says that abnormal people can marry one another.
Posted by Former Student, a member of the Vintage Hills Elementary School community, on Feb 7, 2012 at 3:59 pm
Yes. We are all sodomites for supporting equality, steve. You are completely right.
Michelle, congratulations, you have successfully indoctrinated your children. Your religious beliefs have absolutely no place in politics. Who are you to tell us what God intends us to see? And please, send me a link to your so-called "study" that shows that gays caused heterosexual divorce so that I may tear it apart with logic.
If gays can't marry, then heterosexuals can't divorce.
Posted by Lanie-a morally sound individual, a resident of the Pleasanton Valley neighborhood, on Feb 7, 2012 at 4:56 pm
I am a college age student and am appalled by some of the above comments from who I am assuming are my so called "wise" elders. I don't care what you have been taught (aka brainwashed into thinking). You are all of at least moderate IQs so you should be able to decide something on your own, if you were taught by racists or homophobes that does not mean you must believe any of what they teach you...
1) comparing gay marriage to people marrying animals--animals cannot consent, and are not the same species, so that is a ridiculous analogy
2)being liberal does not automatically make you godless--that is a logical fallacy
3)If this is a religious quarrel for you please note that this country was founded on the idea of separation of church and state, so this is not an area to be banned by the state
4)If you so-called "god-fearing" good religious people actually read the bible you would find that it does say that a man shall not lay with a man, it also says that eating shellfish is prohibited, touching/playing with a pig's skin is unclean and not allowed (therefore football is also immoral), and if a woman is not a virgin upon marriage she shall be stoned to death (i mean, that seems fine to me...right?)----if you follow these rules as well than by all means believe what you will, but you can not simply pick and choose what laws to follow, however if you accept that some rules may have to be adapted than who are you to say that gay people should not be allowed equal rights?
5)while you may say that the minority is "imposing their beliefs on you", i don't believe they are saying that YOU must marry someone of the same sex, so it doesn't actually concern you----> please do not impose YOUR beliefs on others
6) you are correct, the constitution does not say that "abnormal people can marry one another", but while gay people are atypical (being in the minority), that doesn't make anything wrong with it. there are plenty of "abnormal" heterosexual couples that are allowed to marry, so I don't see much validity to this point either
7)To Michele: as for your argument that gay people have "caused 50% of heterosexual marriages in this country to end up in divorce. And it ruins the children" ----I just don't know how you can be so naive, you really need to source-check. Do you actually critically think about anything you are told or do you just believe anything? I sincerely doubt there was any type of fact to back up this ridiculous opinion
Posted by KraTr, a resident of the Kottinger Ranch neighborhood, on Feb 7, 2012 at 5:19 pm
I'm happy that this happened. If 2 people love each other and want to get married then let them! Maybe it will show the(as stated above) "good, God-fearing Republicans who have a strong moral sense" that there is nothing wrong with love between two people of the same sex.
Remember, gay people are still people, the only difference is that no one person is the same.
Posted by In favor of same sex marriage, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Feb 7, 2012 at 7:22 pm
"I've raised my children to be good, God-fearing Republicans who have a strong moral sense"
People like you really scare me. How does giving same sex couples the right to marry affect you? How does that interfere with heterosexual marriages? I am married and do not see how giving same sex couples the right to get married would affect my marriage.
Maybe your religion does not allow same sex marriages, and that is fine. No one is asking your church to bless same-sex couples.
But legally speaking, same sex couples have the right to enter into marriages that will give them the rights to inherit, have children, get tax deductions, etc.
Stop the discrimination, please.
I am glad the court ruled against prop 8, and I hope that if the case goes to the supreme court, we get a ruling in favor of same sex marriages. After all, the supreme court once ended the discrimination against interracial couples in Loving v Virginia.
Posted by Paul, a resident of the Del Prado neighborhood, on Feb 7, 2012 at 7:45 pm
In my parents' generation, the big fear seemed to be the black man; whether he would move into white neighborhoods and otherwise integrate himself into the mainstream. Society hasn't yet completely rid itself of this fear and its consequences, but we've come a long way.
In my own generation, the big fear seems to be gays and lesbians, and whether they will move into "normal" neighborhoods and otherwise integrate themselves into the mainstream. My generation is roughly 50-50 pro/con on the issue. But it's safe to say that this too will pass, and that the whole gay question will be a non-issue for my children's generation. (In fact, you can pick your statistic, but for most kids this already isn't an issue.) Kids and teens don't understand why some of us "older" folk have a problem with gays, just as my own generation wondered what was wrong with our parents when it came to people of color.
Now here's the follow-on question. Each generation with which I am directly familiar has had its own hangup concerning a demographic group, and I'm old enough to realize that history has a way of repeating itself. What will the demographic hangup be for the next generation? Have we gotten smarter as a society, and begun to realize that these hangups are just that?
Posted by Wow, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Feb 7, 2012 at 8:32 pm
Wow Michelle, my church preaches to love your neighbor as you would yourself, they do not talk about hate. So sorry that yours teaches hate and your children have to be exposed to that. Remember our constitution says all men are created equal- so I take it your against that document also? And you tell others to get out?
Posted by Maja7, a resident of another community, on Feb 8, 2012 at 8:45 am
I thought we were supposed to be all "one community" living together! But the hatred spewed to an individual who "dares" to express his/her opposing belief/opinion is not what y'all are doing. Since when is it wrong, to have personal beliefs that are contrary to another group? Must we all follow the same beliefs? Quoting Old Testament out of context does nothing but prove that you've gleamed that debate point from the gay agenda. Yes, as Christians we are to love each other. Perhaps, you've heard of the saying "Love the sinner, hate the sin". I should be able to express my viewpoint without getting being personally attacked. Where's your tolerance to an alternative lifestyle, MINE?
Marriage should be a Holy sacrament performed only by churches and the Government should perform Legal Partnerships; create a corporation between two entities. In this way, the two parties will share in the success or failure of "their union".
Lastly, I could not let this point go, last time I checked gay people could adopt children and can have children (through surrogacy or other methods). A Will should make it possible to pass your inheritance to whomever you want. Just as long as you also get the debt that your Legal Partner may or may not incur.
Posted by In favor of same sex marriages, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Feb 8, 2012 at 10:52 am
", last time I checked gay people could adopt children and can have children (through surrogacy or other methods). A Will should make it possible to pass your inheritance to whomever you want. Just as long as you also get the debt that your Legal Partner may or may not incur."
But same sex couples right now cannot file taxes together or get other benefits such as social security (should one partner die).
Also, only one of the partners can adopt a child, but not both. In the case of a lesbian couple for instance, one can get pregnante and have a child but only that person can become the legal guardian/legal parent, and even though her partner will help raise the child, she cannot adopt or become a legal guardian. That is a big problem. Imagine a perfectly fine family, with two women or two men being the parents, and the children growing up knowing them as their parents. Imagine one of the parents dying, and the one that survives was not the legal guardian... this means that other relatives can come in and take the child away from the only parent the child has.
That is not right, and that is why it is very important to make same sex marriages legal, so they can have all the rights and responsibilities given to heterosexual couples.
And also Maja7, no one is asking for churches to accept or give their blessings, to same sex couples. That is up to each religion. All anyone wants is for the government to legally recognize the marriage between two individuals, whether those two individuals are of the same sex or not.
California is leading the way again, this time in favor of same sex marriages, and that is a good thing. It will not be long before the entire nation follows California's lead. Remember that back in the 40s, California was one of the only states in favor of interracial marriages. It was not until the 1960s that the entire nation allowed interracial marriages, after Loving v Virginia:
"in 1948, the California Supreme Court ruled that anti-miscegenation laws violate the Fourteenth Amendment of the Constitution – a full 19 years before the U.S. Supreme Court would reach the same conclusion in Loving v. Virginia, the case that invalidated all such laws nationwide."
"The California case, Perez v. Lippold (commonly referred to as Perez v. Sharp)" "
"Writing for the 4-3 majority, Associate Justice Roger J. Traynor boldly asserted that marriage was a fundamental right that could not be denied on the basis of race alone."
"More recently, another California Supreme Court case was influenced by Perez – 2008’s In re Marriage Cases, the case that invalidated portions of a California law restricting same-sex marriages"
Posted by In favor of same sex marriages, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Feb 8, 2012 at 11:01 am
"Santorum, that's a laugh, if he's put in office it will be an especially sad day for all the rape victims out there. "
I don't think Santorum will be able to carry the independent vote. But even if Romney is the GOP nominee, we need to be careful because he may give in to his party's conservative demands and appoint a very conservative justive to the supreme court, should he become president.
I do not like Obama or his policies but the thought of yet another conservative/backwards supreme court justice like Alito is what drives me to support Obama this year. Because there will most likely be at least one supreme court appointee this coming presidential term.
Posted by Michelle, a resident of the Apperson Ridge neighborhood, on Feb 8, 2012 at 11:02 am
What happened to this being a Christian Nation? All you socialistic perverts seem to be suggesting that Government is no longer "under God" as the Constitution says its supposed to be. Tyranny is what it is, and my own and my children's delicate sensibilities stand to be irrepairably harmed by such an affront to God's nature as God intended it.
The world had a lot of lepers until leper colonies were started up. Just saying.... God can work in mysterious ways.
Posted by Former Student, a member of the Vintage Hills Elementary School community, on Feb 8, 2012 at 12:41 pm
Michelle, the "under God" part of the Pledge was added by congress in the 50's. It's not even a part of the original Pledge. And America is definitely not a Christian nation. It's everyone's nation. Go read up on the establishment and free exercise clauses of the 1st amendment.
You obviously have no idea what a socialist is...and calling everyone who disagrees with you a socialist pervert is incorrect, stupid, and immature. And again, you can't possibly know God's intentions seeing as you're not God.
Posted by Guest, a resident of another community, on Feb 8, 2012 at 7:50 pm
It's interesting that people think we're forcing our 'chosen' lifestyle onto others. #1: It's not a chosen lifestyle. #2: Heterosexual people that are against same sex marriage are imposing their lifestyle on gay and lesbian people. I know what I'm attracted to and I have the right to love someone of the same sex and spend the rest of my life with. That said, it shouldn't be anyone else's choice to tell me otherwise, including a government, religion or people's "high and mighty" beliefs.