Posted by agree, a resident of the Amador Estates neighborhood, on Dec 28, 2011 at 2:28 pm
Fyi...I posted this same info item and also emphasized that Obama supports the Occupy Movement.
The Pleasanton Weekly censored and removed my posting.
The Pleasanton Weekly fiercely defends any position Obama and the Anti-American Democrat Congress takes, despite the fact that they are destroying our Country economically, militarily, from and energy independence standpoint, culturally, religiously, and on many other fronts.
Posted by Let's See, a resident of the Bonde Ranch neighborhood, on Dec 28, 2011 at 3:07 pm
Let's see, our founding fathers tarred and feathered tax collectors, smuggled weapons to fight the British, and threw rocks at British soldiers, yet you think it's the end of the world for a group of protestors to ruin a parade?
Posted by Bill, a resident of the Amberwood/Wood Meadows neighborhood, on Dec 29, 2011 at 9:46 am
Anti and Agree - The post that the PW took down hyperlinked to data from the 2010 census. This was data compiled of the national median annual salary from 1953 to 2010 corrected for inflation. When plotted in years vs salary, you are struck with what this country once was and what it has become now.
In the years 1953 to 1973, there was a gradual increase in the median salary for all twenty years. From 1974 to 2010 there has been no real increase. The increase during the Clinton years only brought the median salary back to where it was in 1973. The last 36 years have produced no increase in median income. In fact it is now heading rapidly in the negative direction.
On top of this the cost for basic necessities, such as energy, health care, housing, etc, has far outpaced the national inflation rate. So not only has income stagnated, the things that you need to live have gotten more expensive. Leaving the average wage earner with less and less discretionary income.
The blame goes back many years, over many congresses and presidents. Allowing Wall Street to speculate on basic human necessities. Spending money on costly wars with no outcome other then to enrich the defense industry. Allowing mergers and acquisitions of vital industries by foreign interests, failing to protect manufacturing prowess and natural resources, etc....
So, yes, if I were of the younger generation, and had my eyes opened to what has happened to this country in the last 36 years, I would be ticked off also.
Posted by anon, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Dec 29, 2011 at 9:58 am
Cholo - you are missing my point. Everyone in this country has the right to free speech. This is one of the great elements of our society.
But what are the limits of that free speech? Does someone's free speech rights allow them the right to upset a form of entertainment that I enjoy, in this case the Rose parade? The answer is clearly no.
Posted by anon, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Dec 29, 2011 at 12:09 pm
I love your double standard for people who have political points similar to yours. You should be proud as this is the American way and what has gotten us to the point where we are now.
Trust me - I'm quite involved locally with politics and working on the issues that have and will have the most impact on our community.
And at the same time, I am a working and tax contributing member of our society. What a novel idea.
I leave you with one more thought which actually came from the holiday letter from a good friend of mine who is CFO of a biotech company:
"We have some problems in this country, but don't confuse the "occupiers" with anything resembling a solution. It's OK though, I'll continue to work 80 hours a week trying to create jobs and save lives to subsidize their demonstrations. These folks are the same free-loaders who looked over my shoulder during an exam or encouraged me to blow off my trip to the library. They couldn't articulate their purpose back then either."
Posted by ANTI-anarchists, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Dec 29, 2011 at 12:50 pm
Freedom of Speech ENDS when it ENCROACHES on the RIGHTS OR SPACE OF OTHERS, legitimate activities of others. Parade participants purchased the right to use....a YEAR ahead. Civil people obey rules, UNcivil are UNruly by definition. Next year occupiers could pay, make a float covered ENTIRELY by LIVE materials, stand in line a 5am and 'parade' their message. Otherwise they are thugs and anarchists.
You risk life and limb when you ENCROACH on other persons, belongings, or pruchased space.
Most real Americans love, respect, and enjoy the efforts of hardworking youth bands, hardworking contributors, and artisans who who to make things beautiful for the enjoyment for all, and have for 100 years, enough so to keep doing it.
Only the lowest form of scum would lack the ability to appreciate beauty and respect the efforts of other average Americans...a real gathering of people who produce vs the people who choose to destroy.
The 'Rose Bowl Parade' is more than a parade. A beautiful statement.
Only the dumbest form of live could possible think anything could be gained by TREADING on others......persons, belonging, or space.
Posted by None of the Above, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Dec 29, 2011 at 1:31 pm
Get off your pitty potty or soap bench or whatever. How many million people -- even American people -- go to sleep hungry at night and you're seriously worried about the Rose Bowl parade getting disrupted?
Get a life. If you need help finding one, I understand Open Heart Kitchen can always use volunteers.
BTW: YOU are the 99%.
Take a look at the tax code if you don't believe me. There's an excellent book by David Cay Johnston called "Perfectly Legal: The Covert Campaign to Rig Our Tax System to Benefit the Super Rich - and Cheat Everybody Else."
It's available from the library if you can't afford it.
Posted by Patriot, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Dec 29, 2011 at 4:22 pm
Too bad many of the occupy people resort to incivility and lawlessness. It is time for them to organize around a platform and start a real political movement like the Tea Party. I don't think either group represents me.
Ed Fallon sounds pretty reasonable in this interview and I agree with a lot of what he says here concerning dealing with Wall Street.
Posted by anon, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Dec 29, 2011 at 4:35 pm
Cholo - you crack me up. It is clear you don't work in silicon valley and don't have a clue as to how hard some successful people work to create the wealth for themselves/their families that you seem to despise.
This guy grew up in an Indianapolis blue collar neighborhood, was an academic all american football player, got an ivie league graduate education, helped create heart stents that so many overweight americans benefit from, has a lifelong marriage, has three kids of which one is on track to swim for the US olympic team, etc.
You say he has no life. I say you have absolutely no clue as to what it takes to be successful. Instead you admire a bunch of slackers who want to get stuff for free or not have to work very hard.
Catch a clue. You should be very scared of the day when your "occupy" attitude runs the productive and wealth creating people out of this state and/or country.
Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore, on Dec 29, 2011 at 7:00 pm
Please describe the life of a man/woman who works 80 hrs. a week!
must be a bed full of roses...blue color, academic all american, football star, "ivie" league education, helped create heart stents, a lifelong marriage, 3 kids all starlets in the water,
hair made of gold nuggets, no toenails necessary, fins instead of hands, no eyes because they're developed radar eyelashes, all solid platinum teeth, no need to go to the toilet, no paper trail, oh my...not to mention they make sooooooo muc $$$$$$$$$ they don't even have to pay taxes...oh my...is America impressed or what?
always, the trees tremble when the family trucks...
Posted by ANTI-anarchists, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Dec 30, 2011 at 9:49 am
anon, I really like that...parasites with attitude. It sort of sums up the occupiers....who, BTW are funded by moveon.org. They were given fancy Wall Street digs for their 'offices', and paid pg&e bills. So NONE, I could never be part of the 99 when moveon.org is a driving force, along with union protest experts. The 99 is really about 19 % and half of those are the permanent street parasites.
They are also planning to disturb Repub primaries.
Anybody stooping to 'disturb and disrupt' a rose bowl event, or our election process, can only be described as leftist, Anti-American, Anarchists....
begging for anything that might come their way, good ....or bad! Disturbing and disrupting are a long way from writing or speaking opinions.
Posted by Think, a resident of the Country Fair neighborhood, on Dec 30, 2011 at 10:36 am
"Posted by anon, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, 17 hours ago
Cholo - you crack me up. It is clear you don't work in silicon valley and don't have a clue as to how hard some successful people work to create the wealth for themselves/their families that you seem to despise."
A lot of the occupy movement protesters are seniors who WORKED HARD and PAID TAXES for YEARS! WALL STREET has diminished most seniors life savings to very little.
To those of you double wage earners, HARD WORKING TAX PAYERS in Pleasanton... WAIT until one of you looses their high paying job and goes a year or more at best to replace that position.
When you use up your saving, PLEASE tell us that you will refuse unemployement. When you grow old and retire, PLEASE tell us...
"I was a HARD WORKING TAX PAYOR, I won't take SOCIAL Security, that's a socialist program.
Posted by Think, a resident of the Country Fair neighborhood, on Dec 30, 2011 at 10:42 am
"Posted by ANTI-anarchists, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, 47 minutes ago
anon, I really like that...parasites with attitude. The 99 is really about 19 % and half of those are the permanent street parasites."
How old are you? Where have you lived during your life? MANY "street parasites" as YOU label them, FOUGHT for YOUR freedom. These Veterans came back with mental and phisical diabilities and recieved little if any help from this Gov. Now they are reduced to being labeled "street parasites"?
Posted by anon, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Dec 30, 2011 at 11:14 am
Cholo - don't worry about changing your name - your misspellings and repeat messages give you away.
Tragically, the Iraq war had nothing to do with our freedom so I won't play that game.
Also, if you really believe that Wall Street was 100% responsible for our economy tanking, I suggest you educate your self. Maybe start with "All the Devils are Here". Wall Street is not blameless, but the Fed and incompetent government policies and regulation are at the top of the list.
It is amazing how truly clueless many of the socialist parasites are in this country.
Posted by anon, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Dec 30, 2011 at 12:50 pm
Cholo - you've got a government job and therefore a lot of free time on your hands. Why don't you put some effort into educating yourself. Pick up "All the Devils are Here". Once you've got that book, I'd be happy to point out many examples of where our government committed acts that were equally complicit as Wall Street's.
Then maybe you can start "occupying" the right areas?
Posted by ANTI-anarchists, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Dec 30, 2011 at 3:58 pm
Think, I would never denegrate any veteran, they are our American heroes.Yes, they do suffer in streets when they have no place else. I was talking about the younger street druggies who 'fell in' with protesting occupiers. Veterans don't normally join in with street types who would even consider disrupting an American Rose parade or US voting process.
I should have been more clear, and you should not assume something was said, that wasn't.
Posted by anon, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Dec 30, 2011 at 4:29 pm
Good catch Patriot - insurance companies like AIG that purchased derivatives and rating agencies are definitely part of the cast of villains.
Wall Street was definitely part of the problem but my no means were they the only villains. This is why I can't take the OWS movement seriously. They are seriously misinformed and misdirected.
Cholo - I'm not sure what you are trying to accomplish by continuing to ask for a detailed explaination of what happens when you put in 80 hours a week. Just keep in mind it is the innovation, wealth creation, and tax revenue of these type of people that you are drafting off of. It seems that you and your occupy cohorts are too daft to realize this. I guess this is what happens when people grow up within an entitlement socieity and get something for nothing for too long.
Do everyone a favor, help get your occupy brothers and sisters educated so that you can understand the true roots of our problems and push for specific change that will make a difference for all.