Obama as Hitler at the Post Office Around Town, posted by hoops, a resident of the Mohr Park neighborhood, on Dec 7, 2011 at 6:08 pm
I went to the post office several times in the last week and there were people set up next to the driveway with signs of Obama looking like Hitler.They were supporters of Lyndon Larouche which says it all.If you do not like Obama then vote him out of office but have a little respect and knock off the hitler references.People do not need to see that garbage on the streets of Plesanton.I am so disgusted with our political discourse that I can barely stand to watch it anymore.Alot of hatred and not a lot of facts.
Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger, a resident of the Vintage Hills Elementary School neighborhood, on Dec 8, 2011 at 7:59 am
Seems to me Woody Allen summed this up pretty well in 1973 (not that he would have been the first) in 'Sleeper':
Keaton: "Miles, Erno's going to lead the revolution and head the new government."
Allen: "Look, don't you understand? In six months, we'll be stealing Erno's nose. Political solutions don't work. I told you that. It doesn't matter who's up there. They're all terrible."
After any election, some percentage of the population will be unhappy with the final results; and some percentage of those unhappy people will do something to "protest" or will use the same "protest" as the last group of unhappy people.
Posted by Tennessee Jed, a resident of the Jensen Tract neighborhood, on Dec 8, 2011 at 8:00 am
As I left the parking lot, after dropping off my property taxes, I stopped and asked the what their beef was. I girl stated the they were seeking petition signers for the purpose of impeachment based on diminished capacity provided for in the 25th amendment. How ironic...
Posted by Karl, a resident of the Ruby Hill neighborhood, on Dec 8, 2011 at 8:29 am
Don't pay attention to it. People love to pick a villain.
Look who is responsible for the Volkswagen or 'Peoples Car' and the Autobahn. He also built needed dams, railroads (he planned a broad gauge railroad, 3 metres wide, but war disrupted its building), rocket engines, jet propulsion, almost full employment, and his policies emphasized the importance of family life.
The number of people allegedly murdered? Presuming the figure of 11,000,000 (Six Million Jews, Five Million others you never hear about because they don't own the press) is correct, that total is four times less than Josef Stalin, our wonderful compatriot in WWII.
Posted by Howard, a resident of the Las Positas neighborhood, on Dec 8, 2011 at 8:35 am
As someone who is Jewish I find those signs terrible. As an American I will support even this speech. The first amendment does not say only speech we like is allowed. It says all speech even from the crazy are allowed.
Posted by Vanessa, a resident of the Pleasanton Meadows neighborhood, on Dec 8, 2011 at 8:51 am
I am an Obama voter who has severe buyer's remorse and hope and pray he gets voted out every day, however, the comparisons to Hitler are ridiculous. I have no idea what one has to do with the other. Do I support Obama's politics? No. Can I compare him to a mass murderer? No. Ridiculous to compare the two, and I don't get it.
Posted by Angus, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Dec 8, 2011 at 9:08 am
It is curious, we are privileged to live in a country that allows open, free expression, and yet many who loudly assert their right to free speech would silence those that they disagree with or find objectionable. To be offended by the NAZI label is reasonable, to attempt to silence or ban the La Roluche crowd is to prove their point. Let them speak, allow their insane ranting, and thereby expose them for the lunatic fringe crackpots that they are. As for me I look forward to the president's moving into political oblivion.
He is no NAZI, socialist, yes. But until defeated, he is our president, and as such deserves our respect, if not our support.
Posted by Hilty, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Dec 8, 2011 at 10:12 am
I vividly remember the signs comparing Bush to Hitler, and advocating that Bush be murdered. I also remember that the lefty loons didn't think that was disgusting. But when the same thing happens to a lefty loon President, ohhhhhh, that's different.
Posted by Mr. Geeneyuss, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Dec 8, 2011 at 10:16 am
Consider the source first kiddies. Lyndon Larouche has been a pimple on the ass of the political landscsape for over 30 years. Now associated with a far right wing agenda he actually began as a far left-wing, conspiracy theory slinging, "New era Roosevlt-esqe" hero of the little man.
He is for all intents and purposes a complete nut job that has less than zero credibility and even less influence than your local dog catcher would have on the political scene. The stunts he pulls and the people that support him (try to engage one of his "supporters" next time and the battle of wits will be over in less than a minute btw...) are don strictly to outrage and incite both sides of the political fence.
Posted by Stacey, a resident of the Amberwood/Wood Meadows neighborhood, on Dec 8, 2011 at 10:34 am Stacey is a member (registered user) of PleasantonWeekly.com
Obama's views on Israel have little to do with the LaRouchie Obama Hitler image. They are anti-Semitic themselves; still steeped in conspiracies about the government being controlled by British Zionists and Obama being a puppet of said Zionists.
Posted by reasonable, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Dec 8, 2011 at 12:06 pm
I saw her too. I ignored her attempts to get me to sign the petition and let her jump around with her ridiculous signs all by herself. This is free speech, but if she's out there by herself she's the one who will look like a loony.
Posted by Wyatt, a resident of the Mariposa Ranch neighborhood, on Dec 8, 2011 at 12:20 pm
What gets me is all the posters who claim they voted for Obama but won't do so again. Were you so stupid the first time around that you weren't able to read about and hear his agenda? I guess you must have been, because now you're saying that you're disappointed because he has attempted to carry out his agenda. With this level of stupidity among the populace, it's not surprising we get the democracy we deserve.
Posted by Offended, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Dec 8, 2011 at 12:35 pm
I think the Hitler signs are as disgusting as flying a Confederate flag. Surprising it isn't stopped. My husband's family were part of the German's who helped Jews escape Hitler and fought against the Nazi's within Germany - and paid twice for it. Hitler mock-ups are NOT Free Speech. They mock the seriousness and hate shown during the holocaust.
Posted by D W, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Dec 8, 2011 at 1:27 pm
There is free speech, and then there is reckless rhetoric. It's clearly the latter. The comparisons to a despot are extremely inappropriate and doesn't say much about those who express them, except that they are probably lacking attention at home.
Posted by AnnaS, a member of the Foothill High School community, on Dec 8, 2011 at 1:37 pm
I personally don't support this kind of expression of personal feelings. But, since it was considered perfectly OK with Bush, I don't see any reason why people cannot do the same with Obama. Am I wrong?
Posted by Gordy, a resident of the Canyon Creek neighborhood, on Dec 8, 2011 at 4:23 pm
Some people really just don't get it. It isn't a matter of whether it is applied to Bush or Obama. Both are public figures, and one was a war criminal. But neither the war criminal Bush nor Obama's actions can come close to what Hitler and his followers did. To use the imagery of naziism in such a cavalier manner indicates a gross and disgusting refusal to accept the utter horror and inhumanity of the holocaust.
Posted by AnnaS, a member of the Foothill High School community, on Dec 8, 2011 at 5:33 pm
"...one was a war criminal" ??? - I'm sorry, but which court found any American president a war criminal? Or, Gordy, in your opinion, do presumptions of innocence not apply to American public figures? Your accusation is nothing but gross and disgusting refusal to accept American law.
Posted by Paul, a resident of another community, on Dec 8, 2011 at 6:39 pm
America is socialist. The entire civilized world is socialist. The happiest countries are the most socialist. Socialism is not a naughty or nasty word or world. It is a place where everyone can be taken care of so we are not burdened by the crime of the desperate downtrodden or knuckled under by the wealthy with the means to exert their personal will. Obama is on the wealthy side with a conscience for the weak. The left does not like him and niether does the right. Bush was decidely right and for the rich. Anyone decidedly for the poor and against the rich would be an opposite of Bush and Obama is certainly not that. Hating the middle/Obama shows contempt for equality from both sides. No one has ever said the rich can not get richer, just pay for the just desserts afforded by all who perpetuate the "socialist" conditions that allow for the personal choice of wealth or poverty. Stuck in the middle of an obviously socialist America again and grateful for all the amenities that affords every American...Please do not rob me, nor use your superior financial position to defraud. Bush invaded a country for wealth/imperialistic vision/revenge sorta hitlery, Obama not so much yet.
Posted by Gordy, a resident of the Canyon Creek neighborhood, on Dec 8, 2011 at 7:59 pm
Bush admitted using water boarding, clearly an act of torture that violated Geneva Convention and all human moral sensibilities. Bush lied when he assured the American public that there existed incontrovertible evidence that Saddam had WMD. Analysts at every level expressed doubt. Bush knew there were grave doubts. Yet he insisted the evidence was irrefutable. He therefore lied to the American public, many times, and his lies resulted in at least one hundred thousand deaths, including nearly 5000 US military.
Bush was a war criminal. He was no Hitler. Hitler was responsible for killing millions of innocent people. How was Hitler able to do this? Hitler preyed upon intellectually feeble minds such as that of AnnaS above.
Posted by Final solution, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Dec 8, 2011 at 9:28 pm
Gordy, take off the tin foil hat and stop watching PMSNBC. You definitely have been indoctrinated with the lefts talking points. Continual vomiting of this nonsense explains the emptiness of your rants. Focus on your dear leader who is believed to emulate hitler. Your immature, insecure TelePrompter reading amateur in chief knows nothing other than how to campaign on our dime. He's a poser who has empowered our enemies and dragged our country into a worsening recession. Heil, Obama.
Posted by Gordy, a resident of the Canyon Creek neighborhood, on Dec 9, 2011 at 12:12 am
I'm sure P-towners can sleep easily tonight, comforted by the idea that 'final solution' resides in our midst. Somebody said on another post it reminds her of a 3rd grade boy carving nazi signs into the back of his school desk. But of course who could predict that the 3rd grader grows up and becomes a sick cockroach?
Posted by Vanessa, a resident of the Pleasanton Meadows neighborhood, on Dec 9, 2011 at 9:36 am
At Wyatt above: thank you for calling me "stupid" in reference to my voting for Obama but now having severe buyer's remorse, among others who have said the same thing. What an ignorant, uncalled-for thing to say. There are some of us who did our homework, did what we thought was right, and then come to find it was a big mistake. Happens all the time in the real world. Can you honestly tell me you've never made a mistake in your entire life? Done something and then regretted it? Highly doubt it. Hope you are enjoying life in your glass house.
Posted by Bill Carman, a resident of the Country Fair neighborhood, on Dec 9, 2011 at 10:19 am
I'm sure these are the same right wing morons that turned up on Hopyard and Valley when Bush lost the 2000 election and in 2008 when Prop 8 was on the ballot. We should keep illegal aliens and deport wingnuts!
Posted by reasonable, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Dec 9, 2011 at 11:27 am
Obama's problem is not his agenda, it's that he hasn't been able to enact his agenda due to total obstruction by the Republican congress. Honestly, would McCain/Palin have been a better choice? (Palin? really?) I have no regrets about my vote even though Obama has been too conciliatory toward congress. Clinton would have found a way to twist a few arms.
Posted by hoops, a resident of the Mohr Park neighborhood, on Dec 9, 2011 at 1:19 pm
Obama is not a socialist and Bush was not the evil man that only cared about the rich at any cost.They both made mistakes.They both have their view of the world.They were both influenced by the people around them.What the country needs is for 25% of the people furthest to the left and the 25% furthest to the right to abstain from politics and let the people in the middle that can actually talk to one another and compromise on the issues fix them.Our political leaders have to act like grownups pretty quick or we are going to dig a hole so deep that we will be happy to be Greece.It really is not that difficult to solve our problems if we would eliminate all the B.S,greed and self interest.Just reading the posts on this website leaves little hope of that happening.When did we all become so self-righteous and unable to compromise on our OPINIONS,yes our OPINIONS of what needs to be done.
Posted by Gordy, a resident of the Canyon Creek neighborhood, on Dec 9, 2011 at 3:17 pm
I don't see how compromising with the nazi sympathizers AnnaS, Saddle River, Hitty, and a few others is going to accomplish anything with the exception perhaps of forfeiture of one's sense of decency. But go ahead, Hoops, go for it!
As for those idiots now claiming "buyer's remorse," note that they are unable to articulate why they voted for him in the first place and why, now, they claim they will not vote for him in the future. Why the inability to articulate their position? Idiots, one and all.
Posted by steve, a resident of Livermore, on Dec 9, 2011 at 3:52 pm
Yes I saw these people in Livermore and they had a sign with Obama as Hitler taped to the mail offices light pole. So I asked him what he was doing and he said it's freedom of speech. So I told how about this for free speech. I said something like ( it was 6 months ago) you dumb stupid idiot and a few other harsh words without touching him. They can dish it out but not take it, because during my free speech the two woman with him starting saying call the police. When I thought free speech was not illegal apparently only if it's there speech. I then proceeded to take down the Hitler poster from the pole and walk away. Figuring if one can hung a poster on a public pole then I can take it down. Anyway I walked across the street and around the corner with the Obama hater following me. I turn the corner and there's a cop giving someone a ticket. So after telling the cop what was going on the cop starts asking him if he wanted me arrested. He says but the cop kept asking him but he didn't this was not right. The guy took my picture with his cell phone and left. This would be the short version.
Posted by steve, a resident of Livermore, on Dec 9, 2011 at 3:57 pm
PS I also did not think it was right when done to Bush. It's about respect for the office which half republicans of today are doing and saying thing that are not much different then are Hitler friends are doing and that is worse. Thank you very much and have a nice day.
Posted by Freedom, a resident of the Danbury Park neighborhood, on Dec 10, 2011 at 8:00 am
This bunch shows up from time to time. I am not an Obama supporter and I think it is offensive as well. But...its there right under the constitution, First Amendment. Don't worry, they are usually gone in a few days.
Posted by Cameron, a resident of the Bridle Creek neighborhood, on Dec 10, 2011 at 9:01 am
Steve Anderson of Livermore. Thanks for relating your story to us. I did something similar about a year ago. I ripped a Hitlerized Obama poster out of the hands of a Tea Party activist. He tried to take it back and must have gotten a paper burn. He and the three-cornered hat crowd started chanting "Assault! Assault!" I tossed the poster into my car and drove away, leaving the sickies behind. Five minutes later I tossed the poster in the trash where it belonged. The poster was an offense to all good people, to Obama, and especially Jews. Any attempt to rationalize or apologize for such sick expressions of Naziism -- they did it to Bush too! -- is sufficient evidence of how Nazi-like thinking remains entrenched among a small segment of our society.
Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger, a resident of the Vintage Hills Elementary School neighborhood, on Dec 10, 2011 at 12:00 pm
CaMaroon, You are so proud of yourself (as always, "jane" et al) for liberating one poster of a president, yet try to place blame on those who opposed the same use for a different president. It's offensive when anyone uses Hitler(ization).
Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger, a resident of the Vintage Hills Elementary School neighborhood, on Dec 10, 2011 at 6:34 pm
You rejected the comments that Bush suffered the same treatment, comparing it to "Nazi-like thinking." ("Any attempt to rationalize or apologize for such sick expressions of Naziism -- they did it to Bush too! -- is sufficient evidence of how Nazi-like thinking . . . ") Never mind the references to three-cornered hats or sickies. It's not rationalization or apologizing--it is just as appalling a fact as the fact it is happening now with Obama. So we agree, I hope, that it is offensive no matter the person being portrayed as Hitler.
Posted by Cameron, a resident of the Bridle Creek neighborhood, on Dec 10, 2011 at 10:09 pm
Quote from the small-minded lady who can only think about matters in terms of how's this going to affect her pocketbook: "After any election, some percentage of the population will be unhappy with the final results; and some percentage of those unhappy people will do something to "protest" or will use the same "protest" as the last group of unhappy people."
That's the best she had to offer. "Hey," she tells us, "it's no problem. Just people protesting." Then a bunch of right-wing goons attempt to deflect the Hitler imagery from the real issue: Hey, they did it to Bush too! Several posters, including myself, underscore how it isn't a matter of Bush or Obama so much as how it cheapens our collective memory of the holocaust. Then the small-minded lady jumps on board and fires her little scattergunned mind in any number of directions.
Her attempt to salvage a smidgeon of dignity for herself fails once again. She's a shallow dolt who has little to offer beyond telling us who was on the school board ten years ago. Ideas? Forget about it. Retired early with a posh pension, and all she does now is squat on these sites complaining about the pensions of others. A real dish, this one.
Posted by Stacey, a resident of the Amberwood/Wood Meadows neighborhood, on Dec 10, 2011 at 11:50 pm Stacey is a member (registered user) of PleasantonWeekly.com
Please, for the love of all that is decent, please spare us yet another book's worth of face-saving posts explaining how much you disagree with Kathleen on a subject you both agree on: that the Hitler posters are offensive. You cheapen the attention this thread brings to make people aware of the operations of a dangerous political cult that was involved in the murder of Jeremiah by using it as your personal Kathleen whipping stick.
Posted by Cameron, a resident of the Bridle Creek neighborhood, on Dec 11, 2011 at 6:28 am
"Any attempt to rationalize or apologize for such sick expressions of Naziism -- they did it to Bush too! -- is sufficient evidence of how Nazi-like thinking remains entrenched among a small segment of our society." These are my words above.
Notice how Kathleen Ruegsegger and Stacey spill all over themselves every which way to criticize me while ignoring their right-wing, neoNazi friends and allies -- Steve the Sick, 'final solution', AnnaS, Hitty. KR feels she needs to say something of a 'moral' flavor after her first post, which was so utterly morally vapid as to make any decent person recoil in revulsion. Then she attempts to save face, not by going after the neoNazis on this thread, no, because they are after all her political friends and allies. Instead, she attacks the writer of the above quote. Sick.
Then the cloying one, Stacey, slithers out from her rock to defend her idol, KR, who she realizes, after reading her morally vapid remarks, is in need of face-saving support. Does she criticize the neoNazis? Nope. Her and KR are too intimately bound up with that crowd. They are all birds of the same feather. Cuckoo-Cuckoo.
Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger, a resident of the Vintage Hills Elementary School neighborhood, on Dec 11, 2011 at 7:28 am
Gollum, I was responding to someone else's post at the beginning of this topic with the quote you noted. I responded to you that using Hitler is offensive, no matter who is president. So, if it's right wing goons this time; just who was it when the subject was Bush? Any flavorful descriptions for that group? It's just people, like yourself, behaving badly (on these posts or with a Hitler caricaturization)--who are actually allowed that freedom.
Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger, a resident of the Vintage Hills Elementary School neighborhood, on Dec 11, 2011 at 7:46 am
I should clarify, Gollum, that behaving badly on these posts is just as unacceptable and offense as using Hitler. Given how righteous you felt about taking the poster (certainly the poster was unacceptable and offensive, despite the person's right to wave it around), how will you address your behavior (name-calling) on these posts?
Posted by Steve, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Dec 11, 2011 at 8:39 am
Cam, you are one sick puppy. Those of us that post opinions here, without resorting to caustic personal attacks and name calling, would love for you to get a job or hobby to deflect your obvious hostility towards anyone who makes you feel vulnerable.
My fear is that once you run out of ways to verbalized your anger, you may turn violent, which is a good reason for anonymity of these forums.
Posted by Stacey, a resident of the Amberwood/Wood Meadows neighborhood, on Dec 11, 2011 at 11:58 am Stacey is a member (registered user) of PleasantonWeekly.com
Jane violently steals private property directly out of people's hands and likens it to concerned citizen Steve Anderson's non-violent removal of an illegally posted sign from public property. Jane has absolutely nothing in common with Steve Anderson. Notice how the morally vapid Jane continues to cheapen this thread by ignoring the very real danger posed to individuals by the LaRouche political cult. She finds Hitler posters offensive yet is unable to formulate any words condemning the group that was involved in the murder of British student Jeremiah. Her sicko defense of convicted criminal LaRouche, by way of focusing the discussion on this thread on Jane's personal hatred of Kathleen and others here, shows that Jane agrees with LaRouche on a great many things, including the use of Nazi-like violence for political expression.
Posted by hoops, a resident of the Mohr Park neighborhood, on Dec 11, 2011 at 2:19 pm
Lonny why don't you enlighten us with some factual information that makes Obama worse than Hitler.It is so easy to throw out ridiculous insults,how about backing up those words with something resembling intelligence of some kind.Thanks and have a nice day.
Posted by Wyatt, a resident of the Mariposa Ranch neighborhood, on Dec 12, 2011 at 12:43 am
Hoops, Lonny is a ruse, posted probably by one of the many right-wing sickos who are Hitler sympathizers. (See Steve the Sick, AnnaS, Hitty, final solution, and their apologists, Stace and Fat Kath.)
Stacey the Slitherer, writing in defense of Kathleen the Clown, earns $.35 from KR for every pro Kathleen post she offers. Stacey the Slitherer condemns someone for wrenching the Obama-as-Hitler poster out of the hands of a LaRouche-tea bagger activist, and then she condemns him for not criticizing LaRouche-tea baggers. Bottom line, she's an embittered old hag who has been bested so many times by myself and others that she cannot contain herself from lashing out whenever she feels an opportunity presents itself.
Then there's the priceless one. Want yet another example of moral emptiness? Here goes: the Fat Kath states, "behaving badly on these posts is just as unacceptable and offense[sic] as using Hitler." You see, she calls somebody else Gollum, I call her a clown, and she likens _my_ behavior to that of the right-wing sicko who holds the Obama-as-Hitler poster. She thinks they are equal in comparison. Just goes to show you that she has no clue how offensive the Obama-as-Hitler poster is to anyone who feels they have any (human) connection to the atrocities of the holocaust. But in narcissist Kathleen Reugsegger's estimation, someone calling her a clown is just as offensive as invoking in a cheap and morally depraved manner memory of the holocaust. Guess we have a pretty good idea of her, um, morals.
In short, both these queens of cuckoo care nothing about anything but themselves. They both plop themselves down in front of the computer all day long and into the evening, and attempt to 'make a name' for themselves through vicious gossip and defense of the right-wing sickos who frequent these pages. Call them morally depraved, and watch the two slithering squatters team up to defend themselves, at $.35 per pop. (KR, I think your sychophant follower deserves a raise!)
Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger, a resident of the Vintage Hills Elementary School neighborhood, on Dec 12, 2011 at 7:33 am
Hoops, Wyatt is Cameron using another name on the same thread. This is a contest to Wyatt who is Cameron who is Jane who is Mr. Slippers. It's a one person competition, despite his multiple identities. Even if you agree, he will twist your words so he can write five or six more paragraphs of insults.
Yes, [put your latest name here], when your aim is to insult, it makes no difference if the target is another poster ("right wing sickos, Hitler sympathizers, slitherer, clown, embittered old hag, fat, queens of cuckoo" and that's just from the last post) or a president--the actions are offensive.
You can't possibly believe anyone thinks you are "besting" others or that you are a contributor of anything of value to these posts. And, please, take the time to let the community know that you don't actually live here.
Posted by Wyatt, a resident of the Mariposa Ranch neighborhood, on Dec 12, 2011 at 10:18 am
Yes, thank you Stacey. I mean Kathleen. I mean AnnaS. No, wait, I mean Hitty. Wowsa, the right-wing smear machine goes on, and on, and on. Anyone who posts to the left of Hitler is labelled Jane, because the Fox News watchers think the entire world consists only of fascists like themselves and anyone calling them who they are must not exist in THEIR world. Hysterical!
Posted by Wyatt, a resident of the Mariposa Ranch neighborhood, on Dec 12, 2011 at 11:35 am
That's your assumption again, Kathleen, just like you have assumed I'm all those names you listed. I can only speak for myself. As to those neoNazis you've dared not criticize for fear of losing a vote or two in some mythical future local election, I'm hoping with all my heart "they" are all composites of Steve the Sick who runs from one computer to the next all day and all night long. (It is very easy to envision the sick one doing such.)
I'll take Hugo Chavez over your Pinochet any day of the week. Take a look at the fascist, right-wing opposition parties in Venezuela. And you have the gall or stupidity to critically allude to Hugo Chavez? But, then, you've already demonstrated for all to witness where your moral sensibilities lie.
Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger, a resident of the Vintage Hills Elementary School neighborhood, on Dec 12, 2011 at 12:23 pm
I'd hate to think there are two or more of you that write exactly the same way. We could ask the Editors to check; they have taken down posts by one person under more than one name. Already replied about this topic. Pinochet isn't mine. I know, I know; Hugo is just Robin Hood, just like the Castro brothers and their other pals.