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California rated worse run state, and one doing the most to spread the wealth

Original post made by Resident on Nov 30, 2011

It is interesting how California is rated the worst run state, and one of the states that spends the most!


"1. California
State debt per capita: $3,660 (21st highest)
Pct. without health insurance: 18.5 percent (8th highest)
Pct. below poverty line: 14.5 percent (tied for 21st highest)
Unemployment: 11.9 percent (2nd highest)

California has moved down one slot on from last year to earn the title of the worst-run state in the country. In the fiscal year 2009, the state spent $430 billion, roughly 14 percent of all the money spent by states in that year. Compared to its revenue, the state spent too much " California had the 10th lowest revenue per person, and spent the 15th most per person. California is the only state in the country to be rated A-, the lowest rating ever given to a state by SnP. Despite the huge amount the state spends each year, conditions remain poor. California has the second-lowest percentage of adults with a high school diploma in the country, the second-highest foreclosure rate and is tied for the second highest unemployment rate in the U.S."

Source/full article:

Web Link


"The states doing the most to spread the wealth

10. California
> Average pension benefits: $24,398 (8th highest)
> Total per pupil spending: $9,657 (22nd lowest)
> Medicaid payments per beneficiary: $3,367 (the lowest)
> Pct. of weekly wages covered by unemployment benefits: 30.3% (11th lowest)
> No. of months of TANF received: 42.4 (7th highest)
> Avg. TANF cash assistance per month: $537 (2nd highest)

California provides a large amount of cash assistance to those in need. Recipients of Temporary Assistance for Needy Families in the state receive $537 per month " the second largest amount in the country " and for 42.4 months " the 7th most months. California residents have one of the highest tax burdens in the country. The state also has the seventh highest level of income inequality."

Source/full article:

Web Link



Comments (64)

Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger, a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on Nov 30, 2011 at 8:42 am

For the full article: Web Link


Posted by steve, a resident of Parkside
on Nov 30, 2011 at 9:10 am

Please remind me again, which political party put the policies in place that caused this state to start circling the toilet and who is in the majority now, making things worse?


Posted by Nadine, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Nov 30, 2011 at 10:01 am

Yes, imagine how much worse matters would be had the other party been in power!


Posted by Sam, a resident of Oak Hill
on Nov 30, 2011 at 12:31 pm

Steve said:" Please remind me again, which political party put the policies in place that caused this state to start circling the toilet and who is in the majority now, making things worse?"

I dunno. We've had people from both parties in there, and neither side has been able to get anything accomplished. I think that the last guy that I voted in for Governor was a Republican - you know, that guy who impregnated the family's housekeeper - I forget his name.


Posted by Stacey, a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Nov 30, 2011 at 12:33 pm

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Nadine,

You mean like in Alaska? It made number 8 on the list of top spreaders of wealth. When is California going to start taxing oil extraction like Alaska?


Posted by Jen, a resident of Birdland
on Nov 30, 2011 at 4:18 pm

This is a blog. It's someone's opinion, yet it's being reference like its something from RAND. Just saying, you should always consider the source...


Posted by Nadine, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Nov 30, 2011 at 7:03 pm

I've often found myself wishing some of my good neighbors would move to Alaska. Taxing the oil companies just sounds something like a socialist agenda to me. Maybe our state bigwigs should invite Gov Palin in for expert advice?


Posted by Gray, a resident of Del Prado
on Nov 30, 2011 at 7:50 pm

Sam,

I'm sure you're aware that spending is controlled by the legislature....and with one brief exception, the legislature has been under the control of Dems since 1970.


Posted by No Repub voices allowed, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Nov 30, 2011 at 8:21 pm

SAM, you really need to brush up on CA state government. Republicans only controlled the LEGISLATURE 2 of the last 20+ years, and that was 18 years ago. Arnold tried, and even ran the special election to insure we would not have to experience the UNsustainability of the current public union excesses.But the really stupid CA voters preferred to go with and still continue every 2 years to keep the extreme all Dem big-spending legislature....no hope of 'fixing' anything. CA collapse was/is inevitable.
Gov Moonbeam Jerry Brown first time around in the 80's, UNIONIZED our CA PUBLIC employees who are now bringing CA to it's knees...and this legislature allows it to continue and escalate to collapse. The greed never ends. The new REdistricting insures illegals will be dominating most of our districts, so the excesses will continue.
Posted by 'Gray'. I'm thinking you were trying for us to see the humor/HORROR in this topic. Since it was Gray Davis who carried our PUBLIC UNION benefits to even greater extremes, by implementing all public safety employees retiring at age 55 after 'pumping up' their last years' pay. ...ALL Dems, that's why the public unions are the biggest election contributors and biggest controllers of WHO gets elected in CA....all rigged, and we won't be fixed in our lifetimes. Stupid is, as stupid does.


Posted by not so fast, a resident of Downtown
on Nov 30, 2011 at 8:36 pm

"Since it was Gray Davis who carried our PUBLIC UNION benefits to even greater extremes ...ALL Dems, that's why the public unions are the biggest election contributors and biggest controllers of WHO gets elected in CA....all rigged, and we won't be fixed in our lifetimes. Stupid is, as stupid does."

I understand what you're saying - the unions have completely hijacked the CA Democratic party (and it's been a financial party/windfall for the unions) but times are changing, people are waking up, and 2012 is an oppurtunity for tax payers to punish politicians that have catered to special interst.


Posted by Stacey, a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Nov 30, 2011 at 8:37 pm

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Schwarzenegger got elected on a platform to rein in the unsustainable union giveaways, but he certainly didn't do anything to actually follow up on that. The housing bubble made it easy to kick the can further down the road.


Posted by Stacey, a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Nov 30, 2011 at 8:39 pm

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Nadine,

Yea, guess I'm a socialist now.


Posted by No Repub voices allowed, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Nov 30, 2011 at 10:20 pm

Wow, is that the real Stacey? Rarely do you err. I guess you've been saving for a giant glaring WHOPPER ! Schwarzenegger was elected in a special 2003 election. He said he wanted to fix the public union auto-pilot spending that would destroy CA...voters SAID they agreed. You say he got elected to 'rein in the unsustainable union giveaways', That is true ! But then you make the totally false statement " but he certainly didn't do anything to actually follow up on that". How could you forget the election required to make the required changes. I still have my handmade signs for gathering signatures to put his 4 initiatives on the ballot. They qualified and the election was held. But, firemen and teachers got on tv and blew the biggest union budget ever, telling lies, every minute of every hour for months, and stupid, fickle voters bailed on him. After that he pretty much said wtf in the end, like always, these fools stand with the lying greedy, spending public unions. HE did his part,the voters did NOT. For you to say 'he CERTAINLY didn't do ' is a factually INCORRECT, blatent lie. You must have a hidden agenda....some of the fickle voters, did have hidden agendas. I wouldn't think you would stoop that low...and surely you could not have 'forgotten' the propositions. That was and will be CA last chance at fixing the mess...no other Repubs will ever have a chance again. He tried and could have if certain petty whiners hadn't sabotoged the whole process. All Californians lost.


Posted by No Repub voices allowed, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Nov 30, 2011 at 10:30 pm

not so fast, this is CA. Nothing that happens in the other 49 states applies here. It is getting worse, NOT better, in CA. Now the redistricting will even make it worse, way beyond the usual public union corruption in elections. The only 'change' in CA will be for the worse. It's rigged here, so the numbers cannot happen, district by district, the scum in sacto will continue to be REelected, by gullible, ignorant, union voters. All that Brown has down since his rebirth is theatre....nothing is going to change. Ca is pretty much beyond saving. We had our one-shot chance, and blew it !!


Posted by Stacey, a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Nov 30, 2011 at 11:26 pm

Stacey is a registered user.

No Repub,

Fair enough, but realize that I think the initiative system is a poor way to govern. We elect officials for what purpose? That they send initiatives to us is just another way to skirt the responsibilities that they've been hired for. Negotiations with labor have little to do with initiatives. No initiative was needed to give away 3%@50.


Posted by No Repub voices allowed, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Dec 1, 2011 at 8:29 am

Stacey, They were 'propositions', as they needed to be. Govenor is not King, and cannot rule as he wishes. As always in California, the legislature would never allow the Governor to tamper with public unions. Voters were presented with what they said they wanted to save the state,...then bailed out. That moment was lost forever. Now the unions have a tighter grip than ever, with the author as our current governor. We get the government, the majority asks for.
True, ideally citizen initiatives would not be necessary. If only our districts would allow for election of competent legislators. Sadly, that won't happen in our lifetimes. Stupid wins. We must suffer the consequences.


Posted by steve, a resident of Parkside
on Dec 1, 2011 at 8:35 am

I must have missed sam and nadine's comeback when they were smacked down trying to spread the blame to R's who have not been in a position to control any of the state's finances for decades. The silence is deafening, but then again, I suppose we should appreciate the quiet, instead of the mindless talking points from the unions and dem regime.


Posted by Sal, a resident of Downtown
on Dec 1, 2011 at 11:47 am

So if California is such a bad place why don't all of you conservative geniuses MOVE TO ANOTHER STATE? I hear Texas is nice this time of year. If California is hell on earth, why are you still here?


Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger, a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on Dec 1, 2011 at 11:52 am

Sal, here's one reason conservatives are keeping watch. Oh, and the Occupy group.

"'Time and time again, rather than protecting the needs of students and California families, the regents and trustees line the pockets of their top executives,' Sen. Leland Yee, D-San Francisco, said Wednesday after learning that the pay raises were among the actions taken by the regents in a Monday teleconference protested by students on campuses around the state."

Web Link


Posted by Sal, a resident of Downtown
on Dec 1, 2011 at 11:55 am

Steve,

You spend many of your unemployed hours whining about California and liberals on this forum. Question: Why are you here in CA? Shouldn't you be in a wonderful red state?


Posted by Sal, a resident of Downtown
on Dec 1, 2011 at 11:56 am

Kathleen Ruegsegger,

You didn't answer the question. If CA is so bad, WHY ARE YOU HERE?


Posted by Monty, a resident of Mariposa Ranch
on Dec 1, 2011 at 12:05 pm

Moving might be a good option for those who are so intent on dismantling a system that clearly shows Californians prefer Democrats over Republicans. Still, Sal, moving will not be enough to escape what they call the "hell" that is California; for when they move they'll most assuredly be taking their own living hell with them.


Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger, a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on Dec 1, 2011 at 12:31 pm

The shortest answer, without blasting unnecessary info, is career. Neither here nor there as I grew up in the blue state of Illinois and already lived in Texas.


Posted by Stacey, a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Dec 1, 2011 at 12:34 pm

Stacey is a registered user.

Sal, if you're so unhappy with what people write here, why are you still here? If you're so unhappy with income inequality, why are you still here? If you're so unhappy with the 2/3rds parcel tax requirement, why are you still here? If you're so unhappy that you haven't been given 110% of your salary for retirement at age 50, why are you still here? If you're so unhappy that conservatives live here in Pleasanton, why are you still here?


Posted by Stacey, a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Dec 1, 2011 at 12:40 pm

Stacey is a registered user.

The sad fact is that a lot of poor people move out of California because they can't afford to live here even with all the subsidies yet the rich can afford it. And the poor typically end up in states with no income taxes like Nevada and Texas. Sal hates poor people.


Posted by Sal, a resident of Downtown
on Dec 1, 2011 at 2:06 pm

Of course none of you conservatives can put your money where your mouths are and leave California, the state that you claim is so horrible. How pathetic! Clearly you hypocrites must like something about California to be here, but I guess admitting such a thing would go against your brain-dead right-wing talking points. If Texas is so great, MOVE THERE and stop whining about California. I'm sure there will be plenty of likeminded, whitebred bigots for you conservatives to pal around with in those wonderful red states.


Posted by Sal, a resident of Downtown
on Dec 1, 2011 at 2:14 pm

So Kathleen Ruegsegger not only hates living in California but also hates Pleasanton public school. Gee, what a wonderful addition to our community. Why is our town so lucky to have her wrath of destruction?


Posted by GX, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Dec 1, 2011 at 3:10 pm

The larger trend is that more people are leaving the state than coming to the state:

California demographic shift: More people leaving than moving in
Web Link


Companies Are Leaving California in Record Numbers, and It Might Get Worse
Web Link

It would be very interesting to see the income/wealth demographics of those coming and going.

For me, I've got 1.5 years left. We will be leaving this state once our kids finish high school. I can conduct my business in any location, and I look forward to conducting in a lower-tax state.

No longer will I support a state that represents 12% of the nation's population but 30% of entitlement spend. Even now, the only solution our elected leaders have is to raise taxes in a state that is already one of the highest taxed state.

I appreciate free choice.


Posted by Sal, a resident of Downtown
on Dec 1, 2011 at 3:17 pm

GX,

...and please take your ungrateful conservative friends with you. If you hate the taxes in Calfornia then you should LEAVE!!!!

"Boohoo, poor me, I have to pay taxes" Cry me a river.


Posted by Stacey, a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Dec 1, 2011 at 3:50 pm

Stacey is a registered user.

Poor people hate taxes more than rich people. Sal hates poor people.


Posted by Stacey, a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Dec 1, 2011 at 3:53 pm

Stacey is a registered user.

Sal should put his money where his mouth is and give all his assets to the unemployed.


Posted by GX, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Dec 1, 2011 at 3:53 pm

It is too bad that we can't get past all this partisan bickering, honestly face the facts, and collectively solve the state's problems in a constructive manner.

I really enjoy this state, but have grown very tired of its dysfunction and the constant need for more tax revenue to make up for all the inefficiencies.

BTW, it will take a significant number of new tax payers to make up for the tax loss from my household (I measure my CA taxes paid by the number of state employee salaries I cover each year - and it is several).

And oh BTW, I'm somewhere between a blue-dog Democrat and an Independent, so you are slinging mud in the wrong direction with your conservative pejoratives.


Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger, a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on Dec 1, 2011 at 4:29 pm

Whoa, Sal, I don't hate California or Pleasanton schools. What brought that on? Why all the vitriol? We are here; we work; we pay taxes, like you I assume. Wanting the best for California and its citizens means being mindful of how our money is spent. That doesn't equate to hating anyone or anything.


Posted by Monty, a resident of Mariposa Ranch
on Dec 1, 2011 at 9:22 pm

Ya gotta love the hypocrisy of this self-alleged seeker of freedom and advocate of the rich-realizing-their-own-bliss. She has no compassion for those who have been unable to develop a life trajectory that overcomes the serious obstacles the class system imposes upon them. But there she is, complaining about California and then crying she can't leave because she has a job here. Boo-hoo, this poor victim of dependence upon her employment.

When an obstacle like needing employment trumps the Kath's freedom, we are expected to sympathize; when poor kids are faced with obstacles like hunger, lack of medical and dental care, and fractured homes, it's just their own tough luck and besides, she says, since she walked barefoot on her own all the way from Illinois to CA, then these poor kids and their parents should be able to do likewise.


Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger, a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on Dec 1, 2011 at 9:47 pm

Using more than one name on a topic again Gollum? I'm retired. The rest of your post, as discussed at length elsewhere, is blatant bs.


Posted by John, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Dec 1, 2011 at 10:03 pm

Ironic how its just a blame game to most of you posting here. I especially love the comments where it wasnt CA Rep. Gov.'s fault.....hmmm funny you dont apply this logic with our national gov.

I especially loved todays news where Rep. decided to raise my taxes again, hows that Pledge going for you now?


Posted by steve, a resident of Parkside
on Dec 2, 2011 at 8:17 am

John, please elaborate, who raised your taxes and why was that necessary.
Sal doesn't seem to think Calif has nay problems. Maybe not on the receiving end of the entitlements, but it is catching up with the political enablers that they will not be able to continue to buy votes with handouts. They are starting to see the effects of running out of other people's money.
I know, let's build a high speed train...that will provide a distraction from the root of our financial woes........


Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger, a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on Dec 2, 2011 at 8:45 am

From this morning's Tri-Valley Times editorial: Web Link

We can discuss whether the feds should be spending money in this area, but if they are spending it and California qualified, losing $49 million for education is foolish.

"But this year, California had an opportunity to get about one-fourth of a $200 million pot of new Phase 3 Race to the Top funds . . . California could have received the money simply by filing an application . . . "


Posted by steve, a resident of Parkside
on Dec 2, 2011 at 9:04 am

Thanks for posting the link above, Kathleen. Amazing that this opportunity was missed to pick up some much needed addtional funding for schools.
It can't just be ignorance or arrogance on the part of Brown and Torlakson, it is willful disregard for students and parents in favor of the teacher's union. These guys are whores for the unions--it's embarassing and disappointing to watch.


Posted by Sal, a resident of Downtown
on Dec 2, 2011 at 9:09 am

Well said Monty. Ruegsegger should check out the Villages in Florida. It's a retirement community in Florida for conservatives who can't bare to pay taxes. Because the Villages is such a massive retirement community of right-wingers, they routinely vote down school bond measures (over 20 different times) for the neighboring school district. Of course the school district is a disaster. They also pipe in Fox News Radio throughout the complex. It's a selfish right-winger's paradise. I also hear they hate teachers almost as much as Kath.


Posted by Sal, a resident of Downtown
on Dec 2, 2011 at 9:11 am

I forgot to mention that Steve would love the Villages too. Why are you still here is Calfornia if it is so bad? Can't answer the question?


Posted by Stacey, a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Dec 2, 2011 at 9:40 am

Stacey is a registered user.

Maybe Sal can answer mine. Hint: It's the same answer to his own question.


Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger, a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on Dec 2, 2011 at 9:46 am

Sal, Get over yourself. I pay taxes; would pay for a parcel tax with specifics at any price; listen to NPR and PBS News Hour. Been over all this before. You and Gollum can say otherwise, but it won't make it true.

Hide from the truth if you wish; California is messed up. And it took the handy work of everyone in Sacramento, including those with the power to make sure half of the "app" was omitted and with Torlakson calling the letter "a good faith effort." Didn't know you could do half the work and expect a grade of A and $49 million.


Posted by John, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Dec 2, 2011 at 10:03 am

Thank you for making my point Steve- Kathleen posts something, you interpret it the way you want, then it suddenly becomes fact. Where was the missed opportunity you speak of? Why did you fail to post that Ca. has applied three times to RTTT funding? Misleading the readers here or posting before you really know what RTTT is all about?

I love that you are now asking others to consider who raised my taxes and why that was necessary. That is something you certainly dont do when it comes to anything you disagree with.


Posted by Sal, a resident of Downtown
on Dec 2, 2011 at 10:24 am

Kathleen Ruegsegger says "California is messed up".

Ok, THEN WHY ARE YOU HERE?????? Go move to a wonderful red state. You're only here for your "career"? Kathleen, hates our state and our Pleasanton public yet she stays here. Walk the walk and move to another state! Are you in California to save us from ourselves?


Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger, a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on Dec 2, 2011 at 10:42 am

Sal, Just admit that Sacramento isn't doing any of us any favors. This has been my home for a long time; why should I leave? The other side of the argument would be if you don't like all the conservatives here, you could leave. But that's non-sensical. Are you saying that should something or someone be wrong, the answer is to walk away? Blue or red has nothing to do with it; I don't like much of what the Republicans do either.

This is a game we can play together, for every time you state who I am, I will tell the truth. I said career brought me here; I did not use the word "my." I don't hate our state, but will continue to discuss concerns. Pleasanton public (did you mean schools?); just so it's covered, I don't hate the public or public schools.

John, Losing $49 million isn't a missed opportunity? You'd have to dig into why CA has failed three times--they weren't willing to make necessary adjustments, like changes to teacher evaluations--one of the four criteria for this application as well. Other states were willing to try, so we lost.


Posted by steve, a resident of Parkside
on Dec 2, 2011 at 11:04 am

Sal's a little hostile since he's realized that his liberal, utopian paradise is going the way of other failed socialist experiments. Take a deep breath, Sal and stop berating people for pointing out the financial problems that 40+ years of dem rule has brought down on us.
And, before you tell me to move out of the state, know that I remain here for at least two reasons: 1) to try to help address the issues we're posting about (even if it just means voting Dems out of office; 2) to make your life more miserable than it already is.
Realize (before your head explodes) that if you're not trying to fix the problems, you're part of the problem.
Maybe burying your head in the sand is your best option......


Posted by John, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Dec 2, 2011 at 2:29 pm

Kathleen, you continue to hear only your point. No where did either you or Steve say that Ca. even applied- you leave it to the reader to assume (by the tone of your comments) that CA didnt even attempt to go for the funding. Posting with you is like talking in circles.....

Why would we want to take on this funding for a program that is NCLB 2.0. NCLB was a complete failure- setting up public schools to be failures, and to then deem them incompetent. Steve himself says we need to look into why decisions are made, not just jump for funding that is ultimately bad for our schools. States like NY who went for merit pay are now denying teachers their fair pay since they cant afford to pay them according to the system they developed. There is a reason why CA is not accepting RTTT based on the teacher evaluation and it has nothing to do with the assumptions and opinions of the postings here so far.


Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger, a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on Dec 2, 2011 at 3:38 pm

John, Sorry, I provided a link to the editorial above. Here it is again: Web Link There was an application; Torlakson, et al, sent a letter (rather than the actual app) addressing two of the four required areas and called it a good faith effort. I don't know what more I can do once I provide the link for others to read.

I'll say this again, hopefully in a straight line. I don't know that there should be a Federal Department of Education, but if Arnie Duncan is handing out money and our schools need it, why wouldn't we try? We were one of nine states given the chance. California isn't accepting funds because they aren't being offered to us because we failed the application process in one way or another every time.

I don't know enough about NY and their merit pay and what it is based on. Do you have a link you can provide?

I don't know the odds of Steve being a Steve I know any more than I know if you are a John I'm acquainted with. Like lots of posters, sometimes we agree, sometimes we don't. I like that ebb and flow better than predetermining what side someone is on.


Posted by Stacey, a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Dec 2, 2011 at 3:48 pm

Stacey is a registered user.

Well, CA didn't apply in this latest round of Race to the Top. Sometimes writing is like having to mitigate for poor reading skills.

NCLB was not a complete failure. It was only a partial failure. To say that NCLB completely failed is just more teacher bashing; a complete disservice to all the hard work of teachers to raise achievement levels. Schools averaged around 4% performance improvement every year and that was all driven by NCLB.


Posted by steve, a resident of Parkside
on Dec 2, 2011 at 4:28 pm

John, did you not read the link that Kathleen provided to the write up about their failed application attempt? Here's the link, in case you missed it the first or second time it was brought up: Web Link
"States like NY who went for merit pay are now denying teachers their fair pay since they cant afford to pay them according to the system they developed." Fair according to whom? Things are tough all over, so your comment is pointless, since even the unions are being forced to make concessions.
'There is a reason why CA is not accepting RTTT based on the teacher evaluation and it has nothing to do with the assumptions and opinions of the postings here so far.' And what reason would that be? The union and teachers are afraid of being held accountable for their actions and performance. If not, then what justification do they have? The current system is obviously not sustainable, especially with pensions thrown into the mix.
Honestly, I'm surprised anyone would come forward to defend these clowns, so I have to hand it to you.......


Posted by ????, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Dec 2, 2011 at 4:29 pm

Kathleen R. answered to "why are you here" with;


"The shortest answer, without blasting unnecessary info, is career."

Did I miss something, Kathleen? Career? You are a clerk at the Palo Alto school district, right? Or some sort of secretary. assistant, whatever you call it.

So career cannot possibly be keeping you in California. I mean, engineers, yes, because the jobs are here, with stock options and stuff, but an assistant at a school district? You can have that kind of career anywhere in the nation. Just imagine: retire with a pension from Palo Alto, sell your house for a big profit and move to another state and resume your career in another school district!


Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger, a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on Dec 2, 2011 at 4:42 pm

Read all the posts. First, I'm retired. Secondly, read what you pasted so carefully . . . I never said "my." Who is selling houses for a big profit these days?

Finally, I'm not unhappy living in California. That doesn't mean I'm willing to just go along with whatever government has to say, anymore than OWS and their concerns. And that would be the case wherever I lived. I think it is important to participate.


Posted by gray, a resident of Del Prado
on Dec 2, 2011 at 4:50 pm

Sal, Monty, ?????....do you have anything of value to add to these discussions? No substance with you guys; just personal attacks against anyone you disagree with.


Posted by Been There, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Dec 2, 2011 at 11:00 pm

Grammatically speaking, it's the worST state. "Worse" is used to compare 2 things, and "worst" is used to compare 3 or more things.

I'm sorry. I couldn't help it. Grammar mistakes are like chalk on a blackboard for me.

I wish elementary ed. would teach this stuff...


Posted by Resident, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Dec 3, 2011 at 8:36 am

"I'm sorry. I couldn't help it. Grammar mistakes are like chalk on a blackboard for me. "

Yes, I noticed that too late, but if you look at my comment (a bit under the title of the post):

"It is interesting how California is rated the worst run state, and one of the states that spends the most! "

you can see I used the word "worst" - it was just not possible to edit the title once I had clicked "submit."


Posted by Proud Californian, a resident of Rosewood
on Dec 3, 2011 at 2:39 pm

All the outvoted and outclassed Republicans can do is bellyache about how bad things are in California. Yes, we're in a prolonged economic slump. But so is most of the rest of the world. I cannot think of another state I would rather live in. N. Dakota? Mississippi? Arkansas? Idaho? California has for decades been a cutting edge state, and that is in large part because of Democratic leadership. I especially look forward to this state's effort to show the rest of the country how high-speed public transportation can be done. True enough, some people have left in order to find sub-minimum wage jobs in the union-busting states. But the state is also attracting highly skilled workers to fill open positions in Silicon Valley and elsewhere. Our educational system K-12 is superb, but needs more funding in order to improve even more than it has. And our university system is the envy of the entire world. But keep on complaining, Republicans. It's about the only thing you're good at in a great state that has time and again rejected your regressive ideas and policies. Stay true to your blue-haired, white-shoed, prune-faced ways of living. You're all old, churlish, and resentful that the world has passed you by.


Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger, a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on Dec 3, 2011 at 4:32 pm

There have been 22 Republican governors in California; 16 Democrats--I don't know that either party can claim they are the ones that made this a cutting edge state. I'm pretty sure that Silicon Valley was built on entrepreneurship which built the likes of Apple and Facebook and Google. K-12 education in California does not beat all states--we are ranked 30th overall, with Arkansas ranking 6th (!) and Maryland, New York, and Massachusetts beating us by a healthy margin, Web Link There are, however, individual CA districts that compete on a national level. Universities are world class and teetering because costs are increasing well beyond inflation. High speed transportation, already announced to be three times the original cost, is also attempting to go through heavily Democratic towns like Palo Alto that will guarantee it's never built.

So, rather than point fingers, pay attention to the disfunction that is Sacramento and DC. It could be important; you might want to get involved. That's all people on both sides of the aisle are trying to point out to you.


Posted by Proud Californian, a resident of Rosewood
on Dec 3, 2011 at 5:17 pm

Sounds like just another blue-haired attempt to put a negative cast upon this great state. You think Arkansas has a better educational system than California? Take a look at that state's end-of-year proficiency tests, then come back and try to tell these readers that Arkansas offers superior education. There's nothing teetering about Cal's world class public universities. Classrooms, filled with high-tech teaching and learning aids, costs of research laboratories, books, academic journals is skyrocketing, new buildings, etc., ... all these and more have driven up the costs for students. California will have to do something better sooner than later to procure additional tax revenue. I'm confident with a Democratic legislature and governor that it will eventually do so. Cutting edge? Without a doubt! Students come from all over the world to study here and then stay after attaining MD's and doctorates.

If anyone is pointing fingers it is the blue-haired righties who want to pooh-pooh anything that might cost additional money, despite the good it might do for the environment. Disfunction? Dysfunction? Assuming the latter, it seems to me that one side of the aisle is attempting to make it increasingly more difficult to get involved. For example, look at all the special i.d.'s the GOP are trying to incorporate into voting processes. Will this increase citizen involvement? Certainly not. It will decrease it, as it is intended to do. The blue-haired GOP crowd can pull all manner of shenanigans. It doesn't change the fact that the world is passing them by. Toodle loo!


Posted by Jwoon, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Dec 3, 2011 at 6:58 pm

Proud, what exactly have the dems done to make calif a cutting edge state, unless cutting edge include record deficits, unemployment, welfare spending, crime rates going up, gay marriage, and other 'accomplishments' that make other states laugh at calif?
Jane, you seem to have this focused bigotry against people that have way more life experience than you. Why the flaming rage against your superiors? Feeling inadequate? Sounds like you came up short again.


Posted by Nadine, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Dec 3, 2011 at 7:37 pm

I might be able to mention a few. First, education, though I realize that that probably won't impress the above poster because the closest he has ever come to education was "home schooling" on his family's hog farm in Nebraska. Second, environment, though I realize that that probably won't impress someone coming off the Nebraska hog farm who can't tell a cow belch from truck exhaust -- he'd gladly suck on either as long as his sales tax isn't raised by a 1/2-penny. Third, gay marriage, though this clearly won't impress the old farm boy until he steps out of the closet that imprisons him.


Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger, a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on Dec 3, 2011 at 8:38 pm

I provided the link to the rankings; you can read it. Arkansas or not, California is 30th. Thanks for correcting the misspelling. We both know those aren't the only things related to increased tuition. You conveniently forgot large raises for administrators. New buildings don't come out of tuition. I posted a story about increasing costs to the top wage earners, so I'm not against it. I wouldn't be in favor of special IDs; seem to recall discussing with Gollum IDs that indicate rich vs. poor when paying sales tax as a way to increase for the rich and decrease for the poor. Not in favor of that either. You're just looking for something to fight about.

"Nadine," I though you said sales tax increases punish the poor.


Posted by Patriot, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Dec 3, 2011 at 10:11 pm

Kathleen,

" Universities are world class and teetering because costs are increasing well beyond inflation."

Costs are increasing faster than inflation at private colleges too, nation wide. I'm not saying that I support the raises given to administrators while faculty salaries are frozen or that there aren't other local factors contributing to costs at UC. I'm saying there are larger trends here, and bigger problems to solve.


Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger, a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on Dec 3, 2011 at 11:21 pm

Patriot, Point taken.


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