Alameda County Sheriff Shocked Crimes & Incidents, posted by Pro-Law, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Nov 28, 2011 at 11:37 pm
Anyone else see this supposed response by Sheriff Ahern to an Occupy protester's written complaint about his department?
It starts off, "I am shocked too. I am shocked educated individuals who violate laws do not expect to be arrested. I am shocked that people who speak of peace in our society attempt to do harm to law enforcement personnel. I am shocked that some protesters throw rocks, cement, bottles and paint at law enforcement. I am shocked that protesters throw urine and feces at police officers."
I find it hard to believe a law enforcement administrator would speak such truths, not be PC about it, and just tell it like it is. The reporter claims the letter is true, and I sure hope it is. Ahern has my vote in the future if it is true.
Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore, on Nov 29, 2011 at 10:56 am
It's not acceptable to harm the police. They have a job to do that many Americans do not appreciate. Their lives are at risk daily. They also have families that they depend upon. Apart from the bad apples, I totally support the police.
Posted by Say no to blind obedience to authority, a resident of the Downtown neighborhood, on Nov 29, 2011 at 11:10 am
The sheriff also stated: "Do not judge my people from news reports or YouTube videos." Right! Do not believe your own eyes and ears. Do not trust your own experiences. Only the Sheriff tells the truth. And we all know that cops never ever lie to protect their own.
Posted by steve, a resident of the Parkside neighborhood, on Nov 29, 2011 at 11:37 am
'Say no'----of course, all those wonderful, intelligent squatters would never use their vast experience in the use of those capitalist electronic tools to edit video to include only the portions that benefit theri cause, whatever that is. They would never intentionally leave out theri provocation, assaults and taunts that led up to the point where police had no choice but to reign them in. Nah, they'd never do that. They are way too principled, honest and upstanding-----regular law biding citizens. Just think if they put their vast knowledge to work supporting themselves with a real job in video editing. I guess it's just much easier to squat, complain and wait for your handouts.
Posted by Say no to blind obedience, a resident of the Downtown neighborhood, on Nov 29, 2011 at 12:16 pm
Ah, yes, here's the wonder steve offering up a conspiracy theory that has student protesters, along with local and nat'l media, conspiring to edit their video tapings so as to delete all the (unsubstantiated) student "assaults" (please!) and to modify the tapes so as to exaggerate police brutality. Well, either this is what happened, or steve has serious psychological problems.
Posted by steve, a resident of the Parkside neighborhood, on Nov 29, 2011 at 1:11 pm
Your inability to respect authority represents a serious problem for which you will no doubt suffer consequences at some point, not unlike these squatters who failed to follow police commands.
So, let me ask you, why do you think that all of the videos being posted don't show any events leading up to the point where police had to engage the protestors? It's as though we're supposed to trust that these lawbeakers were innocent victims and did nothing to provoke a police response---they just complied with police orders and vacated the area peacefully......even you can't be that naive. I understand you may have a need to promote anarchy, but you must be intelligen enought to find another way to change the govt policies that have lead to these protests.
Unless, your Jane/Slippers/JIAF, just trolling for attention again....
Posted by Say no to blind obedience to authority, a resident of the Downtown neighborhood, on Nov 29, 2011 at 2:24 pm
Authority gets the respect it deserves -- that is, when it acts in accordance with its own legitimacy. You might try reading Henry Thoreau or Ghandi or Martin Luther King (yikes, steve, yet aNOTHER black man!). Each has written and/or spoken most eloquently on the question of civil disobedience. In the meantime, please remember that conspiracy theories are the havens of small and disturbed minds.
Posted by Say no to blind obedience to authority, a resident of the Downtown neighborhood, on Nov 29, 2011 at 4:54 pm
Dear lessismore, I don't see you anywhere on these posts. Are you hearing voices in your head?
I think it has been made demonstrably apparent that an overwhelming majority of OWS protesters support nonviolence, both in their words and actions. So do I. And I side with the vast majority of OWS protesters in denouncing all acts of violence.
I think it has been made demonstrably apparent that instances of police brutality have not been provoked by violence but rather by nonviolent words and actions of the protesters. MLK's engagement in collective acts of civil disobedience were often marred by those on the militant side of the civil rights movement; such hardly justified dismissing the entire civil rights movement, nor did it justify support of police brutality against civil rights demonstrators.
Fat Kath tells us why read when you can do a quick-search of wikipedia and come up with those nifty quotes? The three progressives I have mentioned all supported the idea of civil disobedience -- that is, breaking the law in a nonviolent manner (1) for purposes of drawing attention to issues that the apparatuses of power have kept suppressed and (2) and with an acceptance that those who break the law submit willingly to arrest, prosecution, imprisonment. Police brutality is not a necessary supplement to the arrest of those who conscientiously engage in civil disobedience.
PS: Gandhi was an anti-colonialist who engaged in struggle against British imperialism-as-a-logical-extension-of-capitalism (often a necessary step as prelude to a struggle for socialism). Thoreau lived at a time when socialist ideas had not yet been fully developed. Martin Luther King was clearly a socialist.
Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger, a resident of the Vintage Hills Elementary School neighborhood, on Nov 29, 2011 at 5:57 pm
It wasn't Wiki, whacky. Yes, that's what I said, they supported non-violence. I would be against blatant acts of violence by the police as well. Hurling rocks, etc.; well, there's a law for that. Yes, India wanted independence. They are moving away from socialism (or at least let's say they are embracing some capitalism), and, by golly, are experiencing growth.
Posted by Say no to blind obedience to authority, a resident of the Downtown neighborhood, on Nov 29, 2011 at 6:14 pm
Yes, it usually is the case that a newly emergent nation from the chains of imperialist colonialism must go through the growth pains of capitalism before recognizing the necessity of instituting a higher form -- viz., democratic socialism.
Neat sidestepping of the issue of civil disobedience. Evidently, couldn't find quotes from the wikibag?
Posted by Steve, a resident of the Parkside neighborhood, on Nov 29, 2011 at 6:57 pm
Say no to say no.......keep posting under assumed names. Soon you'll be talking only to yourself, as opposed to your current *** in the wind. Please consider placing yourself in the position of those occupiers who choose willingly to obstruct the police and experience the consequences. Report back to us when you get out of traction. (or not, I really don't care)
Posted by With Sheriff, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Nov 29, 2011 at 11:23 pm
I definitely stand with Sheriff Ahern. I like his controlled, measured, accurate and factual dressing down of the anarchists...all fresh from the marxist socialist teachings of radical grad assistant instructors. They hammer America with their anti-american propaganda.
I'm tired of these radical leftist anarchists, and I'm really sick of these third-worlders coming here who then procede to do street riots just like bakc home. They think we should change our america to suit them. Wrong ! That isn't going yo fly.
I'll defend the integrity and honor of our sheriff.
Posted by John, a resident of the Country Fair neighborhood, on Nov 30, 2011 at 8:51 am
Steve is right! No one said not to believe your own eyes but when you watch the videos you are believing through someone else’s eyes. A news story is only as good as the person writing it. Sometimes they take the word of a so called witness who may or may not have seen the whole thing.
Believe what you see only if you are there to witness it. To blindly believe someone else is ignorant! If you were not there to see it from start to finish then YOU really do not know what happened.
Say no--- let me tell you a story about how the big bad government did me wrong.....(meanwhile, I will leave out the part that says I have not worked a real job or paid taxes in at least the last 5 to 10 years and now am going to OCCUPY prime real estate and not pay a cent!)Now the country is in the dump and I think the rich should pay because I really do not want to work and put forth my fair share. Maybe you will feel sorry for me and I can camp in your front yard.
Posted by AnnaS, a member of the Foothill High School community, on Nov 30, 2011 at 8:59 am
"Say no to ..." - you should read more real history books, not only censured by Liberal arts schools PCBS. If you were study real history you would know that democratic socialism always comes with Gulag. If this is what you want, you are very welcome to go to Cuba, North Korea or other places of socialist paradise. The main difference between capitalist hell and socialist paradise is that you are free to get out of the capitalist hell, but socialist government will put you in jail or in psychiatric hospital for attempts to leave their paradise.
Posted by PTown Patty, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Nov 30, 2011 at 9:11 am
I wanted to express my sympathies to you. How long have you had your mental disorder? Is your condition due primarily to liberalism disease or is it more extensive than that? I'm guessing its more severe because you appear to have anarchist tendencies and your thinking appears disfunctional on multiple levels. Have you sought professional help?
Posted by With Sheriff, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Nov 30, 2011 at 12:47 pm
Sheriff stated it all so simply in the opening quote above. "I am shocked educated individuals who violate laws do not expect to be arrested." Surely the most ignorant among them, must have heard "break the law, go to jail". Nowhere does it say,...unless there's lots of you.. Partners and accomplices in crime, do not negate the crime. Numbers are irrelevant to violation of laws, they only complicate the situation, meaning more attention-getting methods must be used by law enforcement.
I guestion just how many educated there are among them....except for the marxists educators who join in for their own partisan purposes.
Posted by With Sheriff, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Nov 30, 2011 at 12:56 pm
continued: ......marxists educators who join in for their own partisan purpose AND FOR YET AGAIN, ANOTHER PAY/BENEFITS INCREASE...like UCs 18% increase just LAST WEEK ! ! IF the occupiers actually understood their own situation, they would know most of THEIR ISSUSES were mostly CAUSED by and a RESULT OF education ADMINISTRATORS and educators PUBLIC UNION EXCESSES.
Actually, there are few of the shouters who have actually analyzed or understand WHAT they are shouting about.
Posted by Name Withheld, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Nov 30, 2011 at 7:16 pm
The Sherrif says, "I am shocked educated individuals who violate laws do not expect to be arrested. "
I suspect the Occupy protesters, and their supporters, would LOVE to see some lawbreakers go to jail. We can start with Henry Paulson, Jon Corzine, a few thousand smaller-fry bankers in the fraudulent-mortgage-securitization business, all the robosigners for MERS who supported them, Eric Holder and about 40-odd other Attorney's General who deserve impeachment for failing to investigate and prosecute any of them, and undoubtedly another large batch of "Law Enforcement" personnel who apparently feel that the law only needs to be enforced when it suits them. Then there's Congress, which doesn't violate laws but commits moral crimes of even greater magnitude by exempting itself from insider-trading laws and far worse... And that's just the beginning of the list.
Yeah, I too am "shocked educated individuals who violate laws do not expect to be arrested." I just wish the Sheriff would train his sights on the ones who most DESERVE to be arrested...
Posted by D W, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Nov 30, 2011 at 7:21 pm
I support the Sheriff, yet I also support the cause to narrow the gap between the high income and middle class to a more reasonable difference that allows all of us to flourish and help the economy.
What I don't support are protests filled with a hazardous lack of sanitation that threaten the health of children & pets and the conspiracy-obsessed anarchists or zealots that alter films or statements to suit their own delusional standards, whether they are California liberalism (vandalizing grocery stores) or Texas conservatism (literally altering history books to appease the Lone Star fanatics who are clearly racists and religious bigots).
Let's work to cut down both the physical violence and the reckless rhetoric that exists both on the streets, in many communities, and yes, even blogs like these. Discretion is strong self-discipline, not a political disease! Let's try and think more clearly about we say and want to do! You would be surprised at how much fun it is to get closer to solving our society's problems!
Posted by With Sheriff, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Nov 30, 2011 at 7:56 pm
I agree with much of what you say, D W. However, when it comes to Sheriff Ahern, his authority is limited within the boundaries of Alameda COUNTY. His jurisdiction does not extend to neighboring counties, the state of california, or to DC.
As far as "reckless rhetoric" a good place to start would be with University and college instructors who have been the instigators for many of the various protests for illegals and others at Berkeley, in the last several years, and leading up to the current 'occupation'....that is NOT in the job description that we pay them to perform. Most of the 'occupiers' have not yet worked in the real world, and their lack of perspective and causes for their own 'personal' attitudes, come from those public union educators/anarchists. Many around the campus areas have yet to experience perspective of taxpayers and small buisiness owners. They are still rather self-centered, and not looking too hard to see the BIG picture.
Posted by Say no to blind obedience, a resident of the Downtown neighborhood, on Nov 30, 2011 at 9:41 pm
Having recently escaped from a gulag set up by the democratic socialist state of Sweden, I have to say that I am in complete agreement with DW who calls for cutting down reckless rhetoric as we devote our love-filled words toward what DW so aptly and unrecklessly calls "the conspiracy-obsessed anarchists or zealots that alter films or statements to suit their own delusional standards."
And yes, it can only be a Marxist educator who would say that Martin Luther King was a socialist who would have supported OWS. For MLK always attempted to stop boycotts, and he was always walking backwards at the front of demonstration and protest marches, waving his hands wildly in an effort to get the crowd to stop. Also, I've checked matters out, just like Kim recommends. J. Edgar Hoover was on the verge of revealing in his investigations of King that the so-called black leader was actually a white Republican. Unfortunately, the investigation was closed after King was shot to death by a liberal diseased, dysfunctional Marxist, left-wing anarchist, union activist, third worlder, college teacher or administrator, former gulag guard (who was a delusional zealot).
Posted by Name Withheld, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Nov 30, 2011 at 10:00 pm
Pro-Law, I appreciate that the Alameda County Sheriff cannot prosecute or impeach our largest criminals. However, Law Enforcement in general is currently highly focused on the most minor of crimes, while huge, billion and trillion dollar scamming goes unpunished. it would seem that he's a prime candidate for needing to take the log out of his own eye before attending to the speck in his brother's (Matthew 7:3, Luke 6:42).
Furthermore, we all know that many folks here in Alameda County were deeply involved in the fraudulent lending and fraudulent borrowing scams of the last 5-7 years. Where are the perp walks for those people? Where are the huge, highly visible, multi-jurisdiction efforts to bring down those who brought down our housing market?
If the police departments around the country, can devote tens of thousands of man-hours to hunting down protesters on public parks with coordinated raids (people whose worst crimes appear to be poor sanitation and great frustration with the government), surely we ought to be able to do more about the people who have robbed the nation to the tune of tens of thousands of dollars per person!
More to the point, I think if Law Enforcement were to clean up the rat's nest of corruption in government, all their problems with protesters would go away. The body politic is a very sick patient, but the best cure is to eliminate the parasitic pestilence that is the root cause -- not to attack the feverish protesters who are simply trying to call your attention to the disease.
Posted by Say no to blind obedience, a resident of the Downtown neighborhood, on Nov 30, 2011 at 10:31 pm
To she who addresses the fictional gollum. To the contrary, Kath, I'd be lowering myself to engage these fools on their own level. The real lowering of oneself is when, like yourself, you post here in denial of the idiocy of your political allies. Guess you're unable to recognize the idiocy though, eh?
By the way, I think the writing style is called parody, though others might refer to it as sarcasm. That, too, seems to have passed you by. Not exactly quick on the uptake?
Posted by steve, a resident of the Parkside neighborhood, on Dec 1, 2011 at 8:42 am
In any case, I'd like to recognize our 'professor in name only' for his cessation of vomitting underlines throughout his rants and for his confirmation that I am right. On to the next topic where the prof criticizes anyone to the right of Owebama without offering meaningful solutions.
Posted by Angus, a resident of another community, on Jan 5, 2012 at 10:16 am
This Sherriff is nothing short of brilliant, and spot on. The mob of protestors of everything and nothing, were in fact creating a very unstable, unsafe, and arguably unsanitory impromtu village, which disrupted the reasonable right of the citizenry to move, work,
and otherwise interact without fear of being harassed, or molested by some self appointed arbiter of what is or is not fair. You are free to express yourself and your thoughts to the point where it causes others discomfort, inconvenience, or damage to property. This lot of anarchists, engaged in all of the above. The Police excercised limited, reasonable force to remedy the situation.
For the most part they did it respectfully, unlike the "occupiers".