Posted by Joe, a resident of the Siena neighborhood, on Nov 2, 2011 at 8:22 am
Of course teachers are getting involved in this "occupy" garbage. Mindless idiots dirtying up the streets and messing up people's lives for absolutely no reason---teachers fit right in with that crowd.
Posted by Dave, a resident of the Birdland neighborhood, on Nov 2, 2011 at 8:44 am
I'm tending to agree with Joe. The idiots that are leading/participating don't seem to realize that all they are doing is driving up costs for all. Consider the small business owners losing business, the additional cost that the city, county will incur. Not to mention that they are all breaking the law. All this comes back to bite all of us, including the 99% that they supposedly are representing. Who do they think is going to bear the costs for all this in the end?
Posted by nancy, a resident of the Danbury Park neighborhood, on Nov 2, 2011 at 8:56 am
It is my belief as a taxpayer that it is OK to protest buT if violence is part of the protest all parties including the TEACHERS UNION SHOULD HAVE TO PAY THE CITY, COUNTY, STATE GOVERNMENT, OR US GOVERNMENT FOR THE AMOUNT THEY HAVE TO PAY POLICE AND ALL THE DAMAGES THAT IS INCURRED.
Posted by Eric, a resident of the Canyon Oaks neighborhood, on Nov 2, 2011 at 9:03 am
I wonder how voters are going to view school bonds in the future, when they say that the way to fix the schools problems is more money, I am non an Oakland voter, but if I were it would be NO, how unfortunate and dumb those teachers are, and they say they are there for the children, they are all a bunch of Commies, they hurt the very ones they are suppose to be protecting.
Posted by Member, a member of the Amador Valley High School community, on Nov 2, 2011 at 9:49 am
If the teachers want to go protest on their own time outside of school hours, that is probably their right.
If they want to "play hooky" to go protest with the taxpayer's paying the teacher's salary PLUS the cost of a substitute teacher, that's not right.
But it seems to be OK with the Oakland school district management.
I guess that shows that the Oakland school district management identifies with the protesters who don't actually have a message but are protesting for the sake of protesting. I bet the management and many of the teachers were part of similar protests in the 60's and 70's.
If a teacher wants to take time off during school hours to make a personal statement at a protest, that person should give up their pay for that time so that the money can instead be used to pay the substitute teacher. Otherwise the taxpayers are paying for one teacher to be absent plus a sub who probably won't be able to step in and get through much of the lesson plans.
This all shows that teacher unions are too powerful and are breaking the back of the average taxpayer.
It would be nice for everyone to be able to work someplace for a few years, get tenure, be insulated from being fired or required to earn pay increases, be able to take days off with pay to go join a protest, etc.
But nobody else gets those things. Teachers are very important. But everyone's important. People should be treated the same and be given equal opportunities. Being in a public employee labor union should not give someone things that the average citizen lacks.
I bet a lot of ordinary citizen taxpayers would like to protest how much is paid to public employees who are part of big labor unions. You know where that money is coming from, right? It is coming from the wallet of every taxpayer.
Posted by Maja7, a resident of another community, on Nov 2, 2011 at 10:16 am
What? With all the disturbing news we hear about our educational system and the teachers are playing "hooky" for the day to go protest!!! That's nuts. Yeah, yeah tell me again how we put our children first!!
Posted by dave, a resident of the Birdland neighborhood, on Nov 2, 2011 at 10:40 am
For Educated & Happy,
Let me be clear that my comments are not just for the teachers that are participating, but for the entire ill conceived protest. No thought as to who really is being hurt by their actions. For example, the proposed march to shut down the Oakland port. Who do you think that is hurting? Perhaps the independent truckers that are merely trying to earn a living pay check to pay check, or to the hourly employees at the port that can't get to work. Who do you think is going to pay to clean up after these protesters get done vandalizing, destroying everything around them. It's the tax payers, who by the way are part of the 99%.
Posted by steve, a resident of the Parkside neighborhood, on Nov 2, 2011 at 10:40 am
You'd think an supposedly educted person who calls themselves a teacher would be smart enough to see they're being played. No change will result in this 60's flashback of public unrest and violent overthrow. The best thing that can happen here is that these teachers build into their class plans (assuming they spend any time in the classroom) lessons as to how the free market works if politicians stay out of it.
Posted by Public unions stole message, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Nov 2, 2011 at 10:44 am
Public unions are always about themselves ! ! ! It is up to all, yes, all teachers must speak out about the misbehavior of fellow union members. You choose to be in the same union, you share in th4e shame.
Posted by Charlie Brown, a resident of the Pleasanton Valley neighborhood, on Nov 2, 2011 at 10:54 am
I did have a scintilla (that means very small for you folks in Rio Linda) of empathy for the concerns of some of the clowns at Occupy Oakland, now that the teachers are joining in, the empathy is now, on a scale of 1 to 10, zero.
Get back into the classroom and teach self-reliance.
Posted by Member, a member of the Amador Valley High School community, on Nov 2, 2011 at 11:12 am
The "Occupy" groups are supposedly protesting that big business and Wall Street got bailed out, right? If there is a message that the occupiers can articulate, that seems to be it.
If that's what is being protested, then why disrupt the lives of ordinary people who own small businesses and ordinary people who are trying to get to work? That's unfair, and it's misdirected.
Go to the White House and protest. Go to Congress and protest. Those are the people who gave bailouts to big business and Wall Street.
Stop disrupting the lives of ordinary people who have nothing to do with what you are supposedly protesting. Use your brain. Focus on what you are protesting. Focus on where the people are who are behind what you are protesting.
Go protest the politicians in Washington, D.C.
Don't disrupt the sandwich shop, the newspaper stand, the photocopy shop, etc. in downtown Oakland. Those people never did anything to you. Those people have no power over what you think needs to be changed.
Do you want to create change? Or do you just like protesting?
If you want to create change, get involved in the democratic process, like the TEA Party (Taxed Enough Already) did. Do you notice how the TEA Party changed who is now in the Senate and in the House of Representatives? That is how change occurs.
Posted by FYI, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Nov 2, 2011 at 11:50 am
I am not in favor of the protests...... However, just an FYI about the teachers that decided to join them today: They are not using sick day pay (that would be fraud). They are allowed to take the time off as personal leave or leave without pay. They have personal days available to them - for whatever reason they need the day off.
Any time they take a personal day off, a substitute takes over. That is true if they have a family emergency or choose to use the day as a protester.
Posted by Sam, a resident of the Oak Hill neighborhood, on Nov 2, 2011 at 12:09 pm
FYI said: "They (teachers) are allowed to take the time off as personal leave or leave without pay. They have personal days available to them - for whatever reason they need the day off."
I don't really understand what this "Occupy" movement is trying to accomplish. But if the Oakland teachers who want to participate are using their own personal leave time or leave without pay, then I guess I'm OK with that. How they spend their personal leave time is their business.
Posted by Educated and Happy, a resident of the Amberwood/Wood Meadows neighborhood, on Nov 2, 2011 at 12:21 pm
Dave the Parrot from Birdland states: "The Occupy groups are supposedly protesting that big business and Wall Street got bailed out, right? If there is a message that the occupiers can articulate, that seems to be it."
Well, you seem to have watched your fill of Fox News for the day, Dave. Better to sign yourself 'Clueless in Birdland'. I guess Fox News has failed to mention that the income of the top 1% has increased 270% over the past three decades, while working-class incomes have either remained flat or dropped. Heck, that's not worth getting excited about, is it? No, instead, let's wear colonial-style hats and rave about Obama being a socialist.
Posted by Public unions stole message, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Nov 2, 2011 at 1:17 pm
to not so and Happy, I don't listen to Fox. I've watched blow by blow on channel TWO (2), and channel 7, and listened on KGO. They call themselves 99 percenters...they don't have that right, nor my permission, or the permission of most of the middle. I know I'm not in the top 1%. I'm part of 60-70%, and they do not speak for me or my friends. They might call themselves the 10 or 20 percenters, maybe even 25%. Obviously they are not educated if they have no concept of what 99% means.
Channel 2 showed a massive banner "Down with Capitalism", then interviwed a third-worlder who said, it's catching on all over the world, it's so beautiful. My question is if world socialism is 'so beautiful' WHY is he here ? ? All too often I hear the foreigners say they came here to study, ask what, and they say, lawy, so I can change things !
As for myself, I'm proud to be an American. Anybody who thinks someplace else is better, would be wise to go there. Most of California's problems have not been caused by capitalism, but by socialist public unions...playing to the lowest common deminator.
Posted by LAS, a resident of the Valley Trails neighborhood, on Nov 2, 2011 at 1:38 pm
TO: Educated and Happy, a resident of the Amberwood/Wood Meadows
You don't sound very "educated" and certainly not "happy" as a person. A person doesn't need to watch Fox News to see that our country is headed in the wrong direction.
The Tea Party has done more to bring awareness to the out of control government spending, damaging foreign & domestic policies and our civil liberties going by the wayside to the American people than any OWS movement out there! There is NO comparison.
Posted by Dave, a resident of the Birdland neighborhood, on Nov 2, 2011 at 3:58 pm
To Educated and Happy,
Not sure where you are quoting me from, however, rather than attacking individuals, I would simply ask one to explain how the "Occupy Something For Some Reason" people are NOT hurting the exact same people that they supposedly are speaking for. I'm not much into mudslinging, rather trying to understand the grade school mentality of the so called protesters (I apologize if I have insulted any grade school children)
Posted by Pleasanton Resident, a resident of the Country Fair neighborhood, on Nov 2, 2011 at 6:15 pm
If you haven't read Robert Scheer's book, "The Great American Stickup" by now, get it at the library or buy it. It helps provide more information than "Too Big to Fail" and "The Big Short" which were also excellent journalism. When I read "The Big Short" about six months ago, I wondered when the American public was going to finally get fed up and march in the streets. It has finally happened. Many of the Oakland protesters interviewed today were recent college graduates with more than $50,000 in student loan debt. (You will see some of them at the new Target in Dublin working for $8.50 an hour because that's the only job they can find.)