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The Unraveling of Our Civil Society: Democrat Leftist Speaker Now Promises Violence

Original post made by q, Amador Estates, on Oct 12, 2011

This is what we get when we vote a Community Organizer for US President. He is behind this movement. The Democrat Party officially endorses it and "own" this Occupy movement.

They are now threatening violence. The Democrat Party is now architecting and engineering the unravelling of our civil society.

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Posted by soapy
a resident of Parkside
on Oct 12, 2011 at 8:15 am

Yes, this is very terrible. After Newt Gingrich gets done imprisoning Democrats he doesn't like, we need to recruit the 'gimme me liberty gimme death don't tread on me' crowd to put the need-a-bath wall street militants in their place.


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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Oct 12, 2011 at 11:44 am

Occupy Everything!


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Posted by lazzboy
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 13, 2011 at 12:02 am

Wasn't it violence and the willingness to die what you believe in the foundation for this country? We had to fight for out beliefs. Many people had to die. If people are willing to fight and die for a cause then maybe we should listen.


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Posted by steve
a resident of Parkside
on Oct 13, 2011 at 9:53 am

You folks need to 'occupy yourselves'. Find a constructive way to keep yourself busy and be productive instead of clamoring for more or continued handouts for 'corp. victims'.
Of course, if you feel the need to dress up, camp out and shout your incoherent demands from the curb, please go right ahead and exercise your 1st amendment rights to anyone listening. Halloween is coming and the costumes these folks are wearing makes for an entertaining sideshow. Please keep it up......lol.


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Posted by A Neighbor
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 13, 2011 at 9:52 pm

I think q, Democrats Unveiled, and Obama is Responsible should start their/his/her own political movement so the rest of us moderates can occupy some public place somewhere to protest their wealth of ignorance and paucity of reason.

Time to put some rational thought back into the process of living, people. Blaming Obama for every little itty bitty thing in your lives is absurd. He is no Machiavelli, q.

Ignore the nut cases when possible has become my new motto, and I am starting with you three.


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Posted by hoops
a resident of Mohr Park
on Oct 14, 2011 at 7:21 pm

I am really becoming depressed about the relentless attacks back and forth between the right and the left.This country became great because of individual freedom and initiative AND because the government spent a lot of money building the best infrastructure in the world and the best public school system.It was a partnership between the public and private sector that made America great.For all of you who espouse the theory that it isan evil thing to raise taxes on the wealthiest,do a little research on what the wealthiest Americans were paying in taxes in the 1950's thru the 70's.You will be shocked and even more shocked when they did not even complain.JFK actually tried to lower the tax rate and it was blocked by the republicans.The richest in America were paying double what they do now.The point is that the wealthiest people use to honor a responsibility to build this country and now it is all about greed.Just remember that the rich get rich because of the opportunity that this country offers and because of ALL of the people who buy and use their products or services.They would not be wealthy if the average people did not support them and do the jobs for them.


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Posted by dublinmike
a resident of Dublin
on Oct 14, 2011 at 8:47 pm

I am a Democrat in long standing. This guy is no Democrat.

Once again, a self-serving comment. Get a life.


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Posted by hoops
a resident of Mohr Park
on Oct 27, 2011 at 11:41 am

This country became the greatest and strongest economic power between the end of WWII and 1980.During that time the gov't spent a lot of money on infrastructure,education,r&d,etc.During that period what was the avg tax rate on the wealthiest Americans??Look it up and then explain to me the reasoning behind the wealthy should pay less tax because they will then create all these jobs.Then look up how our entire system...our infrastrucure,schools,decent jobs for the middle class has declined so much under the lower tax rates of the last 30 years or so on the wealthy.The facts and figures are quite clear.The figures just came out yesterday from the non-partisan CBO showing how the richest people have greatly increased their pct of the overall wealth of the country.Doubled I believe.Pretty soon we will be like the middle ages with kings and peasants.Most people just want to work hard and make a decent living and not feel like they are being screwed by the big money interests.


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Posted by GX
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 27, 2011 at 12:31 pm

Hoops - yes marginal rates were higher but so were tax deductions. Net, there wasn't a significant amount of additional revenue raised. On average, the federal government has been about to raise about 18-19% of GDP regardless of tax rates.

What is dramatically different between then and now is where the money is actually going. Back in the 50s much more tax revenue was being invested in infrastructure. Today it is much less.

Today, much more of the Federal budget is going towards transfer payments. It may surprise you to learn that when compared to the 50s, government transfer payments are 300% larger today.

So in this global world of deficit spending/debt expansion that:
- marginalizes the value of middleclass labor
- creates relentless inflation that eats away at poor/middleclass earnings
- enables the rich to invest in ways to stay ahead of the curb

are we surprised that the rich are getting richer and the rest are suffering? Income inequality is an issue but until we get honest about the sources of it, we have no hope of addressing it in a constructive manner.


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Posted by Soapy
a resident of Parkside
on Oct 27, 2011 at 12:54 pm

"Income inequality is an issue but until we get honest about the sources of it, we have no hope of addressing it in a constructive manner."

Exactimundo! I read the same thing on a protest sign in downtown Oakland last night.

And then another sign read: logic of capital demands that the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.

And yet another sign read: public workers are members of the middle class, too.


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Posted by Stacey
a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Oct 27, 2011 at 1:46 pm

Stacey is a registered user.

Soapy,

What's your point? How about being honest that income inequality has little to do with the fiduciary responsibilities of government officials?


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Posted by GOP
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 27, 2011 at 2:00 pm

TEN plus years of GOP and were all screwed up!


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Posted by Soapy
a resident of Parkside
on Oct 27, 2011 at 2:37 pm

In the larger scheme of things, salaries and pensions of public officials have very little to do with income inequality. Indeed, were many govt'l functions to be privatized, I'd predict an even greater gap between rich and poor. Double indeed, public workers remain a buffer that ensures that an even greater percentage of working-class people do not get pushed into abject poverty.

Over recent decades, top 10% income is at +270%; middle class income, in the - (minus) category, and poor people in the -- (double minus) category. (See recent CBO study.)

This is not a function of debt or deficits. It is a matter of extreme inequality between classes, becoming more extreme every day. Rather than exhaling chicken little screams about deficit, the structure of capital needs to be overhauled, regulated, with salaries and profits capped.

I've stated it a bit differently than Stace's cryptic line. Hope this suffices.


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Posted by Stacey
a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Oct 27, 2011 at 3:40 pm

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In other words, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. In Soapy's world, the fact that the rich got richer and the poor got poorer should wholly occupy your attention while public employee unions remain free to extract promises that can't be kept from the same politicians that allowed the rich to get richer in the first place. To not recognize how bank bailouts, unregulated derivative trading, bad Solyndra loans, and 3@50 retroactive giveaways arise from the same lack of fiduciary responsibility on government officials' part would be less than honest.

Fiduciary responsibility doesn't automatically translate into privatization of government functions. Government sometimes can and has delivered services at much lower costs. Government also has a role to provide through its regulatory and oversight powers. It has to nurture the Golden Goose, not kill it. Government has a long-term interest in maximizing the health of the Goose because that's where its revenue comes from.

But this has always been your problem, Soapy. You fail to recognize that both the Tea Party and Occupy Wall Street are the results of a more general frustration with a government that puts special interests ahead of American interests. Put back Glass-Steagall. Stop making promises with public employee unions that can't be kept. Provide some form of universal healthcare. Do it for the good of the American people rather than what is best politically for your party. Etc.


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Posted by Soapy
a resident of Parkside
on Oct 27, 2011 at 6:12 pm

Stacy says: "But this has always been your problem, Soapy. You fail to recognize that both the Tea Party and Occupy Wall Street are the results of a more general frustration with a government that puts special interests ahead of American interests."

Afraid I can't join your party, Stace. I see an enormous difference between your Tea Baggers and OWS protesters. The one is aimed at replacing Democratic Party and "moderate" Repubs; the other is aimed at Wall Street. To blame the economy on Democrats and Republicans alike is just a fantasy island you'll have to live on by yourself and your fascist tea bagger friends.

See, for example, breakdown of votes re. a watered down universal health care legislation; on Obama's new jobs plan; on higher taxes for the rich. Please don't attempt to smear equally both political parties when one principally, overwhelmingly is to blame; and please don't attempt to smear unionized workers at a time when the wealthy are making out like highway bandits as they are.

See, your problem, Stace, is that you're so wound up in self-interestedness that you're completely unable to see the 'universal' strain that runs through the Democratic Party; you're unable to see how some Democrats actually do what is good for the American people (which, in the long run, usually _is_ best for one's party). That is why, for example, perhaps the politically best-educated ethnic group in America, viz., African Americans, consistently votes 90% Democratic.


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Posted by Stacey
a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Oct 27, 2011 at 9:35 pm

Stacey is a registered user.

When we are honest about the sources of problems, we can address problems in a constructive manner. That you, Soapy, fail even to acknowledge the source, the root cause, of both the Tea Party and the OWS movement is not surprising. Of course OWS protesters are not Tea Baggers. Yay you at stating the obvious! They have different expressions for the same frustration. How very universal of you to deny that! You're not much different from Herman Cain dismissing the OWS protestors. You, like he, fail at being honest about the sources of problems while you and Cain busy yourselves trying to blame the other party. This dishonesty is why everything you suggest in the way of solutions will be neither constructive, realistic, nor in the best interests of all Americans.


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Posted by Soapy
a resident of Parkside
on Oct 27, 2011 at 10:00 pm

Same root cause? Please. You need to get out more, Stace. Truly, you do. I don't see any Obama posters with Hitler mustaches amongst the OWS protesters. And I doubt you'll find the deep strains of racism amongst the OWS that you would find in the.... You know what? Forget it. If you're too dense to recognize the differences and sources of democratic socialist movements from fascist movements, then you're better off continuing your venting against union workers.


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Posted by Stacey
a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Oct 27, 2011 at 10:41 pm

Stacey is a registered user.

What a rather weak response from you. Both the American Nazi Party and CPUSA endorsed the Occupy Wall Street movement, the Obama with Hitler mustache is a creation of the LaRouchies and not the Tea Party, and I've never "vented" against union workers despite your self-interested and dishonest interpretations of what other people write on this forum. But I'm not here to defend the Tea Party. They've had their own offensive signs too and have become ossified on the subject of taxes. I'm just here to point out how Americans are overwhelmingly frustrated with their government and no party can claim to be innocent.


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Posted by Soapy
a resident of Parkside
on Oct 27, 2011 at 11:08 pm


"But I'm not here to defend the Tea Party."

No, of course not. Because it wasn't the tea baggers who had all the Obama-as-socialist, Obama-as-communist, Obama-as-tyrant, Obama-as-Nazi, Obama-as-mustachioed-Hitler posters; it was actually LaRouchies _DISGUISED_ as tea baggers. Thanks for the clarification.


"I'm just here to point out how Americans are overwhelmingly frustrated with their government and no party can claim to be innocent."

Okay, thanks for the pithy observation. We'll all keep that in mind. I guess the OWS, since you say their frustration is with their govt., should have begun and sustained their protest in front of the White House or Congress. And they really meant to call the movement Occupy the White House, but got confused over who they perceived to be the source of their anger and mistakenly labelled it Occupy Wall Street. I see. Okay. Got it.

Step out of the dungeon, Stace. Inhale deeply some fresh air.


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Posted by Stacey
a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Oct 28, 2011 at 7:40 am

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Speaking of fresh air, that's some mighty strong stuff you got smoking in your pipe, Soapy. Ah, the fog it induces... The Tea Party held Obama-as-socialist and communist posters. DUH! The Hitler-Obama mustache posters didn't come from LaRouchies even though Pleasanton citizens are familiar enough with seeing those posters at the LaRouchie table at the Post Office. It isn't a Democratic speaker calling for violence nor a Democratic mayor using tear gas against OWS protestors to incite them to violence. Thankfully, OWS protestors by and large see beyond your party's rhetoric and have been calling for non-violent protests (Now if only we could get the right to see beyond Republican rhetoric.). It would be nice if Democratic president Obama didn't just cheerlead from the sidelines though. Oh right, he's still trying to maintain his Wall Street cronies. Because these Democrats are all just so universally minded! And the polls still show a supermajority of Americans dissatisfied with government.


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Posted by Stacey
a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Oct 28, 2011 at 7:40 am

Stacey is a registered user.

Here's a tip for you. Withdraw your money from any bank, credit union, mutual funds, and retirement accounts you may have and stuff it in your mattress. If you do not do this, you are providing capital for the purpose of private enterprise and receiving profit in the form of interest and dividends; you are a capitalist. Any good and honest anti-capitalist would immediately stop providing capital.


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