Democrats True Colors State, National, International, posted by jimf01, a resident of another community, on Sep 27, 2011 at 12:11 pm jimf01 is a member (registered user) of PleasantonWeekly.com
From the video out of President Obama's campaign appearance in LA, it is apparent that quite a large number of the crowd of Democratic Obama campaign supporters hate God and Jesus.
As President Obama began speaking, a man in the crowd shouted, "The Christian God is the only and only true living God. The creator of heaven and the universe. Jesus Christ is God!". The crowd reponded by shouting at the man and booing loudly. The man was grabbed and removed from the room by security. When order was restored, Obama, for his part, did say, "I agree Jesus Christ is the Lord. I believe in that". A few in the crowd cheered and applauded that statement.
I wonder if President Obama thinks the reaction of his crowd of supporters believes that this is "reflective of who we are".
Posted by jimf01, a resident of another community, on Sep 27, 2011 at 1:05 pm jimf01 is a member (registered user) of PleasantonWeekly.com
Certainly not! When it comes to political events, Cindy Cross, the blogger for this site -- who offers support mainly to Democrats -- stated it clearly, and much of the mainstream media agrees with her.
When a few of the crowd at the Tea Party debate shouted rudely "Let him die", liberals like Cindy Cross smeared the entire Tea Party as heartless and cruel individuals who would desire anyone without health insurance to die if they became critically ill.
When a few in the crowd at the subsequent GOP debate booed a videotaped question from a gay soldier, the liberal media painted the entire GOP with one brush as homophobic.
Those ugly smears are false, but all is fair in love and war, and make no mistake, the liberal media sees themselves as soldiers for Obama in a war.
And the opposite situation occurred in LA, not a few, but a LARGE part of the crowd booed one mans statements about God and Jesus. The crowd didn't initially shout down the heckler with applause or chants of 'Four more years', as they typically would do in these situations where Obama experiences a heckler. They booed, quite clearly and loudly, much of the crowd booed the statement 'The Christian God is the only and only true living God. The creator of heaven and the universe. Jesus Christ is God!' And the same crowd gave only a smattering of cheers and applause to the President when he said only moments later, 'I agree Jesus Christ is the Lord. I believe in that'.
Posted by Bigots creep in !, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Sep 28, 2011 at 10:03 am
Jim, I usually agree with you, but this is a mixed bag. I have equal contempt for the vocal religiously bigoted zealots on both sides. I agree they each should be equally condemed and exposed ! !
We are inflicted with bigoted degenerates, and sadly our
politics and government suffer because of them...and the ignorance they bring to the process.
Bigots inside the tea party say they want to defeat Obama, yet those religious bigoted individualS won't allow the best educated, most experienced, and most electable be nominated, because of their bigotry....so Obama stays.
In the midst of this tragic financial collapse, which will be with us for some time, I want and demand the best qualified. We've tried a community organizer, with 1 1/2 yr experience in the Senate. Now teapartiers want to hand our finances over to a guy who went to agricultural college to study mating of cattle. Save us, please.
You are correct Jim, we deserve equal and balanced media coverage. As for Cindy, I hope she's not paid, or the payor is getting shortchanged. Aside from being a leftist, she's pretty uninformed(or is that redundant?).
Posted by David, a resident of the Pleasanton Meadows neighborhood, on Sep 28, 2011 at 10:21 am
I wonder what the Tea Party's platform is? I think its funny that so many people point to parties and describe them as filled with bigots, zealots, racists etc. Usually people don't attend church because, Its full of Hypocrites"
Isn't work filled with them too, and the movie theatre's etc. I think the true zealots, and bigots are those pointing the finger. Anyway, here is their platform. I would be interested in hearing what is so bad with it, and why Democrats can't support it.
Ten Core Beliefs of the Modern-Day Tea Party Movement
“Be sure you put your feet in the right place, then stand firm.”
Preamble: The Tea Party Movement is an all-inclusive American grassroots movement with the belief that everyone is created equal and deserves an equal opportunity to thrive in these United States where they may “pursue life, liberty and happiness” as stated in the Declaration of Independence and guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States.
No one is excluded from participation in the Tea Party Movement. Everyone is welcomed to join in seeking to achieve the Tea Party Movement goals, which are as follows:
Posted by Stacey, a resident of the Amberwood/Wood Meadows neighborhood, on Sep 28, 2011 at 10:41 am Stacey is a member (registered user) of PleasantonWeekly.com
What point are you trying to make? What if someone stood up and shouted, "Allahu Akkbar! There is but one God and Mohammed is his Prophet!"? Would that make it ok then for the crowd to boo loudly and for the man to be removed from the room?
Posted by jimf01, a resident of another community, on Sep 28, 2011 at 10:44 am jimf01 is a member (registered user) of PleasantonWeekly.com
Hmm, I think you are a little confused about the bigots, if you are referring to the definition of a religious bigot, "a person who regards or treats members of a different religious belief with hatred and intolerance". I do not see those types as being Perry supporters, in fact, they are mostly Bachmann supporters by my appraisal.
The media would have you believe that Perry is a Tea Party favorite, but I am not seeing that either. I see a lot more enthusiasm for Ron Paul and Herman Cain (especially lately) on my FB and other social media.
Tea Partiers, except the Ron Paul acolytes, can see that we do need to send the most electable person to the general, and I think your criticism of Perry is a bit peculiar in that light. Calling an Air Force captain and successful two-term Governor "a guy who went to agricultural college to study mating of cattle". C'mon.
Who is the most electable in the current field? Romney? I think Romney in the general is another McCain. Fatal flaw is Romneycare. He is a big government guy, and Democrats have the perfect defense of Obamacare built-in. It may be too early to say, as I heard last week, 4 years ago at this time, the front-runners were Giuliani and Fred Thompson.
@David - right on, Tea Party = the ultimate big tent
Posted by jimf01, a resident of another community, on Sep 28, 2011 at 11:03 am jimf01 is a member (registered user) of PleasantonWeekly.com
Stacey - Thanks for bringing us back to the topic. Interesting take, what if that had happened? What do you think the crowd reaction would have been. Do you think the man would have been booed? I am sure he would be removed for disrupting the event.
My main point is the unfair media coverage, here on PW and elsewhere. This is not a hypothetical, as Cindy Cross said in her "Tea Party True Colors" writeup, while she was discussing a hypothetical.
Cindy and others at much larger media outlets painted the entire crowd as cruel and heartless when a couple of idiots shouted out 'let him die', but this crowd of Democrats in LA booed lustily at this mans proclomation. Were they booing his disruption only? Or were they booing his statement? I think the crowd reaction to the Presidents statement, moments later, is telling in that regard.
Posted by Bigots creep in !, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Sep 28, 2011 at 11:15 am
David, you correctly say TP is " all -inclusive "...which means BOGOTS DO CREEP IN. Unfortunately, they are too many, and too loud.
Oh, Jim, You do know 40% on the right will vote for the R nominee, and 40% on the left will vote for Obama....the ONLY votes that matter in 2012 are the 20% truly center independents, who will decide the election. ( NOT the kind of undetermined that really don't fit anywhere, like the abortion clinic protesters called american independents, the anti-gay shouters that also latch themselves onto the tp movement calling them independents, etc) Genuine CENTER independents will determine the outcome...the ones that left the R party in the last decades, and would LOVE to be able to vote REP this time....IF ONLY we could pick an appropriately educated financial collapse sort of candidate. But Sadly jim, sounds like you don't want their votes to put us over the top. Romney is a STATES rights guy, quite different than your characture. If we don't have somebody to win those 20% CENTER independents, I can't waste my time when the INCUMBENCY MACHINE will ultimately win as usual. How could you compare McCain-Palin.
Posted by Sam, a resident of the Oak Hill neighborhood, on Sep 28, 2011 at 1:03 pm
Jimf01, let me get this straight: The President is about to speak at a gathering when a man suddenly pops up and blurts out "The Christian God is the only and only true living God. The creator of heaven and the universe. Jesus Christ is God!".
You see nothing bizarre about this man's behavior? From your own description of the event, it sounds like the person clearly has some mental issues. The fact that you would side with such an obviously troubled person and try to turn this all into some discussion about the attitude of the Democratic party towards God and Christianity shows that you have some issues yourself.
Posted by jimf01, a resident of another community, on Sep 28, 2011 at 1:38 pm jimf01 is a member (registered user) of PleasantonWeekly.com
Let me get something straight, before I respond to you, Sam. The POTUS expressed agreement with part of this mans statement, so does the other part of the statement, i.e. 'The Christian God is the only and only true living God. The creator of heaven and the universe.' make this man troubled, or does the choice of time and place of his proclamation make him troubled?
Before you answer, note one thing. I did not 'side' with anyone. I made no appraisial or judgement of this guy's mental state in anything I wrote. I didn't even say if I agreed with his philosophy. I do not believe I have ever done so on the PW forum.
@Big - I do have an understanding of the dynamics of the upcoming election. I did try to read between the lines, and guess that you favor Romney. I started to write, and erased, my opinion that the average voter (in this middle 20%) doesn't really distinguish the states rights argument, the media will not help Romney in that argument.
The meme will be that Romney and Obama are both in favor of govt mandated health insurance for all, and Obama will get a pass on the unconstitutionality of, and giant bureaucracy that was created by Obamacare. Romney is campaigning against the polling numbers, he is focus group tested. If he is in the R column across from Obama, I will be voting for him. But I think it is too early to say if he is the most electable.
Posted by Billie, a resident of the Mohr Park neighborhood, on Sep 28, 2011 at 1:53 pm
Funny, "jimf01", how you left the part out about how the heckler finished his shout-out regarding his religious beliefs by calling Pres. Obama the "anti-christ".
"this crowd of Democrats in LA booed lustily at this mans proclomation [sic]" "it is apparent that quite a large number of the crowd of Democratic Obama campaign supporters hate God and Jesus"
Give me a break! The crowd was obviously expressing their opinion of one more right-wing extremist expousing their "Obama is the absolute root of all evil in the world" mantra.
As for the Republican & Tea Party crowd outbursts during the GOP debates, what I find even more telling than the crowd is that none of those running for the GOP nomination felt it necessary during or after the debates to respond to the crowd outbursts, thereby giving their tacit approval to the crowd reactions.
"homophobic", "heartless and cruel individuals"? or just politicians playing to their extreme right-wing base? As the debates continue, and we get to see more of the GOP nominee hopefuls with their supporters, I guess we'll find out.
Posted by Bigots creep in !, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Sep 28, 2011 at 2:22 pm
Jim, are you making a joke, or trying to be insulting. with such a question. The world is a bit troubled and complicated at the moment. Would you somobody who knew nothing about the 'bigger' world, other than making pizza dough ??
Gov Romney, the father of Mitt, was elected to THREE terms as a popular GOV in Michigan, this while Mitt was in high school. He has been exposed to more worldly problems than getting the dough to rise.
It's also disapponting that we have degenerated as a species. Back 4 and 5 decades agos, nobody ever even considered that this father was a Mormon....How today's BIGOTED religious zealots have become MORE UNchristian-like. They can't help themsleves, they just get twisted up in their own knots...they just like Obama more.
Posted by Sam, a resident of the Oak Hill neighborhood, on Sep 28, 2011 at 2:22 pm
Jimf01 said: "Before you answer, note one thing. I did not 'side' with anyone. I made no appraisial or judgement of this guy's mental state in anything I wrote."
Yes, you did. The very fact that you started this discussion topic shows that you take this mental patient's statements seriously. What if this person had blurted out that Martians were hiding in his closet? Would you then use the occasion to try to start a serious discussion topic about the possibility of extraterrestrial life in the universe? Can we expect more discussion topics based on the ramblings of mental patients from you in the future?
Posted by jimf01, a resident of another community, on Sep 28, 2011 at 3:48 pm jimf01 is a member (registered user) of PleasantonWeekly.com
@Big your comment 'somobody (sic) who knew nothing about the 'bigger' world, other than making pizza dough' is more inane than the Perry crack. If you are in the bag for Romney, just say so, but your failure to see that this is a wide open contest is making you look silly.
Posted by Biggots creep in, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Oct 1, 2011 at 4:28 pm
"In the bag" ???? If that's what you call it. The depth of our financial tragedy would have been improved by now..IF the party's biggots would have allowed a very competent, appropriately and finacially educated nominee in '08. We've tried the community organizer with a year and half experiece in Senate. While using an outhouse as a child should make a boy strong, in today's HIGH TECH, FINANCIALLY COLLAPSED economy, I'll pass on the value of learning cattle breeding at an agricultural college. I don't find it relevant or necessary for a world leader today.
The ideA that the evangelicals and chatolics want to 'keep looking', when the perfect candidate for this moment in history is right in front of them, says more about themselves, than the 'candidate' ! ! ! !.. time to tell it like it is. The phony, whinning, grasping for excuses to rationalize keep looking, will quarantees the Obama stays. I always think of non-senator O'Donnell, every time I see or hear LEADER Reed...ugh ! Numbers matter ! Reagan couldn't be nominated with TODAY'S purity pledges.