Tea Party’s True Colors CrossRoads, posted by Cindy Cross, a resident of the Parkside neighborhood, on Sep 12, 2011 at 11:46 pm Cindy Cross is a member (registered user) of PleasantonWeekly.com
Tea Party’s True Colors by Cindy Cross
Don’t you just love that song by Cyndi Lauper, ‘True Colors’? That song came to mind tonight after watching the CNN Republican Tea Party Debate.
The candidates answered the questions as expected, although Mitt Romney and John Perry sparred more tonight than at any other debate. Clearly these two front runners are trying to differentiate themselves from the other candidates, and want to show Americans that they are strong in their convictions.
But aside from Romney and Perry’s theatrics, one thing occurred that made me hit the pause button and sit closer to the TV. I hit rewind on the remote and listened for a second time to the hypothetical scenario CNN host Wolf Blitzer threw at Congressman Ron Paul. "A healthy 30-year-old young man has a good job, makes a good living, but decides, you know what, I'm not going to spend $200 or $300 a month for health insurance because I'm healthy, I don't need it, but something terrible happens, all of a sudden he needs it. Who's going to pay if he goes into a coma, for example? Who pays for that?" Blitzer asked.
Here is how Paul responded:
Paul: “Well, in a society that you accept welfarism and socialism, he expects the government to take care of him.”
Blitzer: “Well, what do you want?”
Paul: “But what he should do is whatever he wants to do, and assume responsibility for himself. My advice to him would have a major medical policy, but not be forced..”
Blitzer: “But he doesn't have that. He doesn't have it, and he needs intensive care for six months. Who pays?”
Paul: “That's what freedom is all about, taking your own risks. This whole idea that you have to prepare and take care of everybody..”
Blitzer: “But Congressman, are you saying that society should just let him die?”
At this moment two people from the audience yelled, “yes” followed by thunderous applause.
And I'll see your true colors
I see your true colors
This is not a hypothetical. This is not some person making a good living. This is not a person choosing to simply stop paying for insurance because he is healthy and wants to use this money elsewhere. This is someone who stops paying insurance because he wants to keep his house, wants to feed his children, and wants to keep his electricity on. This is a person who is gambling that they will stay healthy when the house has all the odds, yes, let’s let them die. An American’s life is not worth paying for.
Posted by Alice, a resident of another community, on Sep 13, 2011 at 12:56 am
Death is part of life, Cindy. Deal with it. You're attempting to moralize a market decision. Markets are not moral. Markets always trump morality. Morality is so 20th-century passe'. If you want to be moral, move to Sweden or Canada or someplace. We here in the US have moved beyond your socialistic moralizing blather.
Cindy, can you hear me now? Let the guy die! It's one less mouth to feed, and one less life support system I have to pay for. Morality sucks! Consumerism wins! Ron Paul for President! We'll only have to pay a dime a gallon for gasoline.
Posted by Nomad, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Sep 13, 2011 at 7:24 am
Cindy - In your 'This is not a hypothetical', the person should have been making a good living when they bought the house. They should have made a conscious decision to raise children knowing that they will be able to provide for them. At what point did this 'hypothetical' not have the earning capacity to take care of the life they have built? Should they have sold the house? Used unemployment insurance that they have paid into? Asked for help from friends and family?
Are you saying Cindy, that if you ride a motorcycle without a helmet and sustain a serious head injury, that it is my responsibility to pay for it? Hardly.
Posted by Nomad, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Sep 13, 2011 at 7:29 am
Cindy - Your 'True Colors' have been shining through from the first article you have posted on this PW. That the Tea Party's colors are different from yours should be no surprise. Keep your motorcycle helmet on, Cindy. You are going to need it as the world's costs find their rightful owner.
Posted by paul, a resident of the Amador Estates neighborhood, on Sep 13, 2011 at 8:22 am
I say that we should spread Cindy Cross's wealth around. Despite her paying her own bills and taking care of her family, possibly her extended family...SHE should dive into her bank account and pay for the uninsured person in the above scenario.
I am so sick of the Cindy Cross's of this world that it is driving people to the breakpoint.
When will people stop looking for government handouts for every single social problem.
(Speaking of that...I have a broadleaf problem in my frontyard and am thinking I should receive a handout to rip all my grass out and start over with sod. I will start the paperwork and DEMAND that all others contribute to my re-sodding!)
Posted by steve, a resident of the Parkside neighborhood, on Sep 13, 2011 at 8:24 am
b- are you saying Jesus advocated for universal healthcare? LOL.
Maybe obama thinks he is Jesus, coming to save us from stupid decisions like not covering yourself with medical coverage, when you're fully capaable of making that responsible decision.
Wolf Blitzer's straw man argument ignores that when idiots make decisions there are consequences. If his straw man consciously chooses to buy an HDTV instead of insurance, why exactly should I have to cover his stupidity. Where do you draw the line with your bleeding heart mentality...when you run out of other people's money?
Posted by Stacey, a resident of the Amberwood/Wood Meadows neighborhood, on Sep 13, 2011 at 10:14 am Stacey is a member (registered user) of PleasantonWeekly.com
Totally disingenuous of all of you who think to oppose a universal health care system on the grounds that you're not going to pay for someone else being irresponsible. You already pay a very high cost with the current system.
Posted by Stacey, a resident of the Amberwood/Wood Meadows neighborhood, on Sep 13, 2011 at 10:26 am Stacey is a member (registered user) of PleasantonWeekly.com
As for our hypothetical strawman, he is aging. He may not need health care now, but he will eventually. It isn't a consumerism-based decision. One can say they don't need an HDTV or a house but they can't say they don't need water. That isn't to say that society has to force the horse to drink the water. If the man had signed a statement refusing medical care on religious grounds or some other legal document like an advanced medical directive statement, we leave it at that. No one can force treatment on him. It is only to say that it is in society's best interest to insure itself against the higher future costs associated with an individual's inability to recognize the that he is aging and will need health care.
Posted by jimf01, a resident of another community, on Sep 13, 2011 at 10:27 am jimf01 is a member (registered user) of PleasantonWeekly.com
TELL THE TRUTH, CINDY!
I clicked "Report Objectionable Content" on this post and recommend anyone who is interested in the truth do the same. Cindy rearranged the part where the applause came in to after the two people shouting "yes" to make Tea Partiers look heartless and cruel.
The applause came in after Ron Paul said, "That’s what freedom is all about, taking your own risks"
“We’ve given up on this concept that we might take care of ourselves, assume responsibility for ourselves, our neighbors, our friends, our churches would do it, nobody was turned away!” Paul explained further.
To MORE thunderous applause, from the Tea Partiers!
“This is the reason the cost is so high… We have lack of competition. There’s no competition in medicine. Everybody’s protected by licensing ”
I personally do not agree 100% with Ron Paul, but Wolf Blitzer provided a false choice, and Ron Paul cleared it up for him. Catholic Hospitals in this country are doing what Dr Paul described, and they are doing it now, every day.
My own family is supporting an unemployed family member who had a heart attack, and the CHW hospital in Stockton provided life-saving coronary balloon angioplasty, and he didn't pay them a dime.
Posted by money madness, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Sep 13, 2011 at 10:34 am
Whatever my feeling about either party before this event, I am now firmly against this GOP/Tea Party low end mentality. The conservative movement showed its complete ignorance in this instance and has lost me forever. They are a truly "stupid breed". I would be embarrassed to associate myself with them as some of you do. This is a very rotten mentality.
Posted by Livermorelance, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Sep 13, 2011 at 12:46 pm
Stacey said that "Wolf Blitzer's straw man argument ignores that when idiots make decisions there are consequences. If his straw man consciously chooses to buy an HDTV instead of insurance, why exactly should I have to cover his stupidity. Where do you draw the line with your bleeding heart mentality...when you run out of other people's money?"
Exactly. Stacey is right. This is a matter of markets "determining" what is best for consumers. Sometimes the road looks much longer than it actually is.
Posted by Not tea party, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Sep 13, 2011 at 1:04 pm
First, you say Romney & Perry were trying to differentiate themselves. THEY weren't any different than others trying to do the same. THEY WERE 'SET UP' TO BE SIDE BY SIDE, IN THE MIDDLE, and the'buzz' questions were directed to THEM. I'd be yelling & screaming if I were the others...being ignored ! I hope they are rotated differently next time.
Next, Cindy started out accurately stating the question "...30 yr old man has a good job, makes a good living.."
Then in your attack you changed the question with "..keeping a house, feed children". ..more theatre...
Posted by b, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Sep 13, 2011 at 2:58 pm
The law requiring hospitals to treat all comers, regardless of ability to pay, was signed into law by that bleeding-heart liberal Ronald Reagan. I guess it is time to repeal the law and let everyone fend for themselves.
Posted by Jimbob, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Sep 13, 2011 at 10:58 pm
If you want to identify yourself as Stacey, Mike, Arnold, and Steve, that's your prerogative. I'm merely pointing out the hypocrisy of it, as you're so quick to accuse others of using more than one name.
Posted by jimf01, a resident of another community, on Sep 14, 2011 at 12:18 pm jimf01 is a member (registered user) of PleasantonWeekly.com
24 hours have elapsed, and Cindy Cross will not respond, either to defend or retract any part of her false attack on Tea Partiers. PW management, for their part respond by saying via email that they want "bloggers who have strong opinions and can articulate (and defend) those opinions"
Cindy Cross appears to be exempt from the defend portion of that requirement.
Posted by Planet Patriot, a resident of another community, on Sep 14, 2011 at 1:23 pm
Using the color code below, Obama is obviously passionate, strong, energetic, fiery, loving, sexual, exciting....
steve, posting as chris, believes, based upon red and black, that the Obamas are Anarchists, or Communists (take your pick). I would have thought Stacey above such infantilist thinking.
"RED: Passion, strength, energy, fire, love, sex, excitement, speed, heat, arrogance, ambition, leadership, masculinity, power, danger, gaudiness, blood, war, anger, revolution, radicalism, socialism, communism, aggression, summer, autumn, stop, Mars (planet), respect, Aries (star sign), December, the Roman Catholic Church, martyrs, the Holy Spirit, conservatism (U.S. politics), wealth (China).
Studies show that red can have a physical effect, increasing the rate of respiration and raising blood pressure; red also is said to make people hungry; the red ruby is the traditional 40th wedding anniversary gift. Red is also the color of the devil in modern Western culture.
Posted by Hoffa Jr. says, take out the Tea Party, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Sep 14, 2011 at 2:20 pm
Tea Party Bringing The Sunset to Public Sector Labor Unions?
“There are is something interesting happening in the Wisconsin school system since Gov. Scott Walker and the Republican-dominated legislature eliminated collective bargaining rights for state government workers earlier this year…
Although Kraig maintained that it was bad for Wisconsin to be loosing "seasoned" teachers--another view is that there will be an influx of newer teachers, at the bottom end of the pay scale, who bring a contemporary set of teaching skills and youthful committment to their new positions.
The two immediately positive results for the Wisconsin economy will be:
1. a substantial decrease in the unemployment rate in the state, as the departing teachers will no longer be considered as part of the labor force; and younger, [unemployed] teachers will become employed.
2. these new teachers will be immediately contributing [more] to the healthcare and retirement fund, versus the departing teachers.
This will be welcome music to the ears of the state's trust fund actuaries, as any unfunded liabilities will begin to decrease precipitously…”
“There is however a more far reaching change that will be likely occurring in Wisonsin, and across the nation.
As unions can no longer automatically deduct union dues from teachers paychecks, according to a recent article in The Economist, when this has happened in the past, the percentage of union members paying their dues collapses quickly.
The first such case was in 1992, when such a law was passed in Washington State, and as a result, the percentage of members paying dues dropped from 82% to just 11%. When Utah enacted such a ban on collections in 2001, a year later there were 90% fewer dues paying members. By 2011, Indiana has observed a 90% decline in union membership since automatic deductions were ceased in 2005. And, finally, in 2001, when Colorado passed a law requiring an annual vote to "re-authorize" automatic deductions of union dues, union membership fell by 70% [in that first year].
A majority of the states are now in various stages of the process to restrict, or eliminate, collective bargaining rights for public employees, whose benefit levels are causing severe strains on their annual budgets. And with there being a Republican majority in their legislatures and Governor's offices since the November 2010 elections, this would appear to be the trend.
This is very bad news for the Democrat party.
First, the resulting deep cuts into union operating budgets, will force a reduction in their management headcount (because without collective bargaining it is not necessary) or even the elimination of many union locals
But, more importantly, union political contributions, one of Democrats largest sources, will nearly evaporate.
As we reported in a prior article, studies have shown that 94% of union political contributions have gone to Democrats, with just 6% going to Republicans, regardless of the political demographics of the union members--basically usurping the "political will" of all non-Democrat members.
So, it is easy to understand why, at the Labor Day Rally in Detroit, when James Hoffa, Jr., President of the Teamsters Union, called for union members to "take out" the Tea Party [members], it was obviously not intended as a "social invitation."“
Other than the unions claim the Tea Party is irrelevant while firing shots in their direction at every opportunity, I think the most interesting point contained in this article is that when unions DUES aren’t automatically deducted they aren’t voluntarily offered.
I wonder what Country club Hoffa is golfing at today?
Posted by dublinmike, a resident of Dublin, on Sep 14, 2011 at 11:11 pm dublinmike is a member (registered user) of PleasantonWeekly.com
Jimf01 "24 hours have elapsed, and Cindy Cross will not respond," maybe she has a life... Maybe you are not worth responding to. Sorry, not trying to be cruel but... you have an anger management issue.
Posted by SteveP, a resident of the Parkside neighborhood, on Sep 15, 2011 at 1:52 pm SteveP is a member (registered user) of PleasantonWeekly.com
dublinmike--I didn't sense anger here (except on behalf of the haters of the right), but instead frustration. I'm sure if the shoe was on the other foot, the hypocrisy of the left would shine brightly. Note that the current occupier of the WH has launched his own website promoting the reporting of 'attacks' about him and his followers. Jim was doing anything differrent by pointing out the obvious distortions cindy posted. Unless you're saying the president has anger issues. The way his support is slipping, I suppose we can't blame him.