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California college for illegal's

Original post made by Andy on Aug 30, 2011

Please read California Assembly Bill 131 which will probably pass this week with Democratic only votes. Governor Brown has already indicated he will sign it into law. The bill allows for illegals aliens to go to any California college or community college and pay only state resident fees. Additionally the bill provides for preferred status and also allow for free tuition to individuals who pay no income tax.





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Comments (65)

Posted by Mike, a resident of Highland Oaks
on Aug 30, 2011 at 3:56 pm

This is, admittedly, a complex issue; however, I feel it's better to err on the side inclusion rather than exclusion, especially when children are involved.


Posted by just saying, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 30, 2011 at 8:27 pm


"especially when children are involved."

I don't consdier 18, going into college, to be label as
children........rather young adults.


Posted by Hopeless, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 30, 2011 at 10:29 pm

IF you pay no taxes, stands to reason you'd get a free ride ! gEEEEZ ! Since white males are not given any consideration in CA higher ed as required in prop 209, how can illegals be given financial consideration. Stupid legislators from stupid districts, overrun with illegals. Taxpayers don't stand a chance in this state.


Posted by steve, a resident of Parkside
on Aug 31, 2011 at 8:19 am

shaniqua-you offer no argument but only criticism of someone paying your way. Show some gratitude and quit the sarcastic denegration of your sponsors.


Posted by Jesse, a resident of Birdland
on Aug 31, 2011 at 8:25 am

Are you kidding me? I came here legally 47 years ago went to school here k-college and still had to go for my citizenship. We were not allowed to speak our language, yet today we cater to every nationality. These people need pay just like the rest of us. My parents busted their ass to get us through school. This is bulls%t!


Posted by Sue, a resident of Valley Trails
on Aug 31, 2011 at 8:48 am

I TOTALLY agree with you, Jesse and I've lived here my whole life!

I went to college and nobody paid my way. I had to work full time and go to school to make ends meet and accomplished it, too!


Posted by Meghan, a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on Aug 31, 2011 at 9:01 am

I don't understand this... Is there something I'm missing in understanding this bill? If we can't support our own legal, tax-paying, citizens (not to mention those who are on welfare and disability of various sorts), ie. our budgets are not balanced, we take away more and more money from education each year... WHY are offering free rides to illegals?? I'm not saying necessarily that everybody should be sent back to whence they came (although maybe they should), but shouldn't we work out a path to either citizenship or deportation first, before funding them through school ahead of those who are here legally?


Posted by Anna, a resident of Castlewood
on Aug 31, 2011 at 9:12 am

The main issue here is "ILLEGAL"...I'm so glad that our State has all this extra money to fund an education for ILLEGAL aliens. I know from many that the cost of a California state education has increased dramatically and a lot of families are struggling with the increase in fees. So now we have all this extra cash to give away to ILLEGAL aliens? Why not take all of this money and help out the hard-working citizens of this state who play by the rules!!!
My parents couldn't afford to send me to college. So, guess what? I worked extremely hard and paid for my degree myself (full-time jobs, part-time jobs and day and night school!) Call Gov Brown (916) 445-2841 and voice your opposition!


Posted by Russell, a resident of Ridgeview Commons
on Aug 31, 2011 at 9:17 am

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More importantly, a number of numbskulls on this thread somehow are reading the Bill to say that children of undocumented immigrants are getting a free ride. The numbskulls fail to have understood that the Bill is simply exempting children of undocumented immigrants from having to pay NONRESIDENT tuition. The Bill acknowledges that the child still has to pay RESIDENT tuition, which these days is a pretty hefty sum. So, for example, a child of an undocumented immigrant who has lived in California for the last 15 years is being exempted from having to pay the tuition required of an out-of-stater; the child is NOT being exempted from having to pay the tuition required of all Californians.

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Posted by Mae, a resident of Del Prado
on Aug 31, 2011 at 9:26 am

Will some one tell me where the fairness is here? My two grand children who's father was killed in an accident and the mother has never been in there lives can't get finicial aid..We have tried several times and always get the run-a-round..It is always that they need more info.We feel like we are felon's trying to get something free that we don't deserve or need..Other's non citizens can get what ever they need.... Where is the fairness? Working two job's and trying to get an education isn't easy..Oh did I forget to state that
we are American white middle class..


Posted by Anna, a resident of Castlewood
on Aug 31, 2011 at 9:34 am

Not quite sure what your rant about "illegal" was all about. Either you are here in this Country legally or 'illegally'. Pretty straight forward. You can call it whatever you like.
The bill provides monies (financial aid, Cal-Grants which is FREE taxpayer money) to illegals. Read the bill...again.
Is it possible for you to carry on a dialogue without insults? Really not necessary.


Posted by Scared for the Future of this State, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 31, 2011 at 9:53 am

I don't understand how an "alien without lawful immigration status" could have possibly "attended high school in California for 3 or more years, who has graduated from a California high school or attained the equivalent thereof". If they are here "unlawfully" (notice I avoid the use of the term "illegal") why are they allowed to attend our schools? If they are here and we know about them, why aren't we sending them back so they can enter our country in a legal manner?


Posted by reasonable, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 31, 2011 at 10:00 am

Most illegal immigrant kids are quite poor and very few live in communities or families where they are encouraged to graduate from high school let alone qualify for UC/CSU level colleges. To also pay out of state tuition, you are truly creating an insurmountable barrier for these kids. These are young adults who probably had to work long hours in high school to help support their families (plus doing homework, and forget about sports), and likely endured taunts and peer pressure from their barrio/gang buddies about "acting white". If they can't even aspire to go to college we are basically saying we are comfortable keeping all illegals in a permanent underclass, where they can foment unrest, crime, unemployment, dependence on public assistence, etc.,etc. Please face the fact that they are not all going back to Mexico. So why not ease the way for those few kids who rise above their circumstances and allow them to become productive TAXPAYING contributors to our country and our economy? The ones going to college are not the problem, folks.

None of this takes away from the very big problem that California's colleges are increasingly inaccessible to the people who pay taxes for them! It is way too difficult to get in to the UC's (apparently so they can admit more out of state students who will pay more tuition), and even the CSU's have become too hard to pay for (not to mention hard to graduate from). Community colleges are a lovely option (almost anyone can work their way through CC) but many families do aspire for their kids to go to a quality 4 year school --and there really should be a quality public college in CA that a B+ student can get into and afford. Other states don't have this problem!!


Posted by steve, a resident of Parkside
on Aug 31, 2011 at 10:17 am

To Russell and other bleeding heart defenders of illegal alien's 'rights': This bill provides a back door subsidy for people who broke the law coming and staying here. By not charging the non-resident tuition, the schools are short changed, which is being made up by taxpaying 'citizens'.
These are not PC undocumented residents-they are law-breakers that don't belong in our country/state, using resources that legal residents pay dearly for and are increasingly denied.
Russell-comparing illegal aliens crimes with a traffic infraction is illogical and insulting. If you can pass the SAT and ACT, you should enroll in college and get an education. Good luck getting in.


Posted by Grandparent, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 31, 2011 at 10:20 am

Betty, how dare you stoop to such PETTY 'pural vs possessive and poorly read' attacks against the Grandmother who is concerned for the injustices against her grandkids. She wants more for them than she received.!! Sadly, academia uses different standards and fees for white males, in their racially biased manipulation against white males....violating prop 209. They mistakenly assume all white males are born rich...they're not !
As a grandparent, I have witnessed the same discrimination against my white grandsons. Administrators dodge fairness standards with the totally subjective essays, using eyes of the beholder method to violate fairness and equality standards. As a taxpayer, I can't think of any reason I would want to support such schools or condone the discrimination.
Betty, you verbally attack Grandma Mae with 'keep stewing', yet you offer not a single coherent or constructive comment. Get help yourself. Since you don't have a dog in this fight, why don't you butt out, stop throwing darts, since you have nothing factual or constructive to offer. Better to use a plural 's' wrong, than be mentally maladjusted. You are likely a union member. In all PW threads, when something is written that they don't like, their thug tactic is to attack 'writer's intelligence'. That tactic always fuels me on to further comment. Usually, it is the union member's lack of reasoning ability that becomes readily apparent.


Posted by Carlos, a resident of Bonde Ranch
on Aug 31, 2011 at 10:35 am

Um, Grandparent? Who's Betty?

Boy, these old white males are finding themselves and their progeny discriminated against everywhere! They find it in every corner of the caves they live in. But they claim especially that it's in academia. But of course they know nothing about academia. But that's the thing. You don't have to know anything in order to spew anger and hatred and ignorance. Knowledgable people must all be union thugs; and Steeeeve is still trying to "pass" his SAT (apparently not realizing that the SAT's have no passing bar). Yeup. Let's all listen to these intellects!!!


Posted by Boner, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 31, 2011 at 10:37 am

I have a lot of issues with this bill and I believe all should as well. First, they are illegal and get free college education and by virtue of being a minority get preferred status into college ahead of white tax paying citizens. Secondly, the state is bankrupct and this does not even include the 800 billion unfunded workers pension plan. Lastly, if you do not think our legislature are a bunch of crooks did you know that one assemblyman authored a bill which would have given complete open public disclosure before any assemblyman could start spending money for homes, staff, cars, dinners, meetings, golf outings etc. and the assembly decided that they would not even bring it up to a vote and would just let it silently die. That is complete corruption. I still want to know why we are paying Scott Haggerty over $240,000 dollars per year for not including his staff and multiple offices. This is terrible.


Posted by russell, a resident of Ridgeview Commons
on Aug 31, 2011 at 10:49 am

Ol' Boner says, "First, they are illegal and get free college education and by virtue of being a minority get preferred status into college ahead of white tax paying citizens."

Here we have yet another demonstration of stupidity and racism. In fact, they do NOT get free college education. Ol' Boner is either incredibly naive or a liar. Nor do they get preferential treatment for being minorities.

"White tax-paying citizens?" Oh, I didn't realize this was about race and racism. Racial minorities aren't citizens? Racial minorities aren't taxpayers? You mean a very significant percentage of undocumented workers in this country are NOT from Russia and Ireland? I guess the tendency to reduce all questions to race is what the racist does. I should have known.


Posted by reasonable, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 31, 2011 at 10:52 am

Hispanic minorities do not get preferential treatment getting into UC/CSU campuses. That was done away with years ago. There is a little bit of a step up if you are the first in your family to go to college. That's it.

As a result, there are fewer hispanic and black kids in CA colleges than ever before, and way more asian kids (who come from family environments that stress education above everything else and are also usually not all that wealthy, so they are looking for the in-state bang for the buck). To say these hispanic kids, who have to be incredible fighters to even get to the college starting blocks, have a leg up, is absurd.

Like I said before, the problem of CA college access is a real one, and the white middle class feels justifiably squeezed by an increasingly "needy" poor population on one end, and an increasing uber-competitive asian population on the other, with college spots getting harder and harder to attain. I get it. But illegals are not coming here thinking "free UC tuition". They are coming here thinking "maybe I can pick up enough odd jobs (as your maid? your gardener? fixing your fence?) to feed my family". Get real.


Posted by reasonable, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 31, 2011 at 11:02 am

Oh and by the way, what should ambitious young illegal kids do? "gee, I think I'll leave my family and move back to Mexico for college"? Their American school credits probably don't qualify for Mexican universities, and their Spanish may not even be good enough. If they grew up here, we are doing OUR COUNTRY a disservice by not letting them get a higher education. Or do we want to continue adding to an underclass that will eventually erupt in riots like what happened in London?

I do think boys in general have a tough deal these days. That is a whole different subject and not on this thread. But it has nothing to do with a few kids of illegal immigrants who are trying to make something of themselves.


Posted by Mary, a resident of Country Fair
on Aug 31, 2011 at 11:29 am

Russell and Reasonable,

You do not see anything wrong with giving free education to people who should not even be in the country? Second question, where will the money come from?


Posted by Grandparent, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 31, 2011 at 11:37 am

So Reasonable, which you are SO not,.... you do rationalize and justify to the extreme. You make the case there are UNLIMITED SEATS available in our CA colleges, apparently.
You say manipulations and manuvering to aid and assist ILLEGALS in no way blocks my white male grandsons from financial aid and a SEAT at a CA college? So financial aid and seats are both UNlimited. You won't admit OZ is behind the curtain picking social engineering 'preferences'?? Get your head out of the clouds and deal with reality. ...YOU are screwing the this generation of white males, and then the hypocrites in silicon valley scream for more (cheaper) HB1 visas with the excuse our kids aren't qualified. Well, I have 2 honor grandsons, with dad UNemployed, who cannot attend college, white males go to the end of the line. Not EVERYBODY GETS A SEAT AND AID, because there is NOT enough for everybody. Choices and PREFERENCES for the 'underclass' are made....our country loses out on white male skills. That is blatent discrimination ! !But you approve of that manipulation and discrimation. At least be honest with yourself, if nothing else.


Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore
on Aug 31, 2011 at 11:49 am

Dan Quayle solved the problems of racism by moving forward to the back!


Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore
on Aug 31, 2011 at 11:59 am

Happy that they're college graduates! Web Link


Posted by Russell, a resident of Ridgeview Commons
on Aug 31, 2011 at 1:08 pm

Mary, are you truly too slow to comprehend that no one is giving anybody a free college education?

Reasonable, your clear and insightful remarks remind me of those of a former poster on these sites -- Yet Another Teacher. I had always looked forward to her comments. It is unfortunate though understandable that she became so grossed out by the arguments of steeeve, mike, boner and the other yahoos that she felt compelled to withdraw.

Cholo -- HiLARious!!!


Posted by Mary, a resident of Country Fair
on Aug 31, 2011 at 1:54 pm

Well I guess now we know that reasonable, russell, and yat are the same person. great discovery and now I can just ignore. away with you nerds!!!


Posted by justsayin, a resident of another community
on Aug 31, 2011 at 1:57 pm

hey, justsaying!???
now I have to find a new name on here. geeze. Do you think this name is open to just anyone who comes over here?


Posted by russell, a resident of Ridgeview Commons
on Aug 31, 2011 at 1:59 pm

Mary, you quite made a fool of yourself when you commented on 'free education'. Now you seem only to be making matters worse. Have you no shame?


Posted by Grandparent, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 31, 2011 at 2:45 pm

Since not so Reasonable doesn't have the spine to 'fess up' even to himself,that preferences ARE given because there are not seats and aid for all students. I would guess russell and Reasonable are one in the same. ...talk about racism ! Some of you are too blind to see the REAL racism against your own. So unfair to the white males, while you try to cleanse your own personal guilt, for whatever reason.


Posted by Russell, a resident of Ridgeview Commons
on Aug 31, 2011 at 3:12 pm

Grandparent states,

"I would guess russell and Reasonable are one in the same. ...talk about racism ! Some of you are too blind to see the REAL racism against your own."

What is it I have written that makes you believe I am white?


Posted by Mike, a resident of Highland Oaks
on Aug 31, 2011 at 4:10 pm

The bill allows academically-qualified children of undocumented parents who attended 3 years of high school in the state and who wish to pursue a post-secondary education access to the same benefits granted to other California residents.

If the kid's got the grades, I want him in college, no matter where he comes from, because education is our best chance for a better world for everyone living in it, not just me and mine.






Posted by annonymous, a resident of Amador Estates
on Aug 31, 2011 at 4:18 pm

This makes me absolutely sick. Commit a crime = get some free stuff at the law abiding tax payers' expense.

Hey democrats, what other ways can you think of to reward illegal behavior? Let's give some of our tax dollars to the bank robbers, rapists and murders - after all, they might have come from a poor upbringing so we should be sympathetic to them. And maybe we shouldn't call their acts "illegal", lets call them "unlawful" and lets not call them "criminal", lets call them "people robbing, raping and murdering to satisfy their personal interests".


Posted by Grandparent, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 31, 2011 at 9:03 pm

Well, not so Reasonable, not being white would explain your extreme rationalizing and discrimination against white males.
Racism is to be fought against at all levels...by admitting reality, and making some attempt at providing equality of standards and treatment. Fairness and equal treatment should be applied to all.
We have made zero progress if different standards are applied to any persons or groups! ! Let us live not by the color of our skins, but by EQUAL TREATMENT for all. Not living by those standards enrages me and my family. Stepping aside and going to the end of the line is getting old for today's students that are suppose to be treated equally by public institutions....but are not.


Posted by Mike, a resident of Highland Oaks
on Aug 31, 2011 at 9:08 pm

Why punish the kids for what their parents did, and why fault their parents for doing what they could to make a better life for their kids?

In a sense, very few of our ancestors are squeaky clean in this area of human behavior.



Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore
on Aug 31, 2011 at 9:14 pm

What is a "white male"? esplain...


Posted by reasonable, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 31, 2011 at 11:19 pm

Grandparent - for the record, I'm white and I have sons. The dilemma of the white male has very little to do with a few (and it is really very few) illegal kids who grow up in tough neighborhoods and start out not speaking English but actually get to the point of applying to college. If they can get that far, by all means let them contribute to our society and our tax base. It is best for all of us.

The main issues for white boys are different:
1) Over the past years, schools are increasingly rewarding things like neatness and rule-following, which favor girls. As a result, girls have become a bigger and bigger proportion of college students (about 60% at many schools). Not to take anything away from the girls, but colleges need to get back to 50/50. Having lots of college educated girls and lots of uneducated boys is not the mix our society needs. Something is wrong with the whole educational system if we can't get our boys over the line at an equal rate with the girls. No one seems to be really looking at this. Boys are not dumb. They just show their mastery and intellect differently than girls.
2) The white middle class does not push their kids to be at the top of the class academically. The asian middle class does. It is not that handful of illegal kids who are taking up more seats and financial aid. It is the many asian kids (almost 50% at most UCs) who take AP classes, put grades ahead of parties and sports, get involved in the clubs and don't care who thinks they're a nerd. White boys are much more interested in being athletic and "cool" and not nerdy (and parents reinforce this -- they'll brag about Joey's success on the football/soccer/baseball field but not Jimmy's straight As') Well, the nerds are getting into college and the white jocks are not. If you need data, look at Amador's 2011 graduating class carefully. UCs are predominantly Asians and girls, and the Las Positas list is 2/3 boys, mostly white. We've got to get past our own prejudices against "nerds", or saying things like "I'm not taking those APs, that's just for the Asian kids". Nothing wrong with being well rounded, but if you want to compete for the best college spots, you've got to compete on academics.


Posted by Town, a resident of Danbury Park
on Sep 1, 2011 at 8:17 am

When we run out of money the music will stop.


Posted by Grandparent, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 1, 2011 at 9:15 pm

Well, no so reasonable, your pontification on white males is interesting, but you overlooked some. My white male grandsons ARE
honors students, taking AP classes since middle school. But, nobody is willing to help them, since their Dad's employer went out of business. Cal is not interested in financial aid for local white male AP students....precisely my point...the forgotten AP group.
There is no scholastic EQUALITY...it is all about social engineering, helping underclass into fields in which they will fail...but they are given those few university SEATS ! It is a very
imbalanced and financially difficult period in history..and the color or your skin does matter ! Middle-class white males lose !
Created by bleeding hearts such as yourself. Injustice rules, NOT EQUALITY. Sad that you promote discrimination.


Posted by teresa, a resident of Civic Square
on Sep 1, 2011 at 9:25 pm

Grandmother is so right about discrimination against white males. Look at the John McCain election!

And I agree with Grandmother that the minorities who fill responsible jobs only fail at them. Not like white boys.

I've asked my parish priest to begin saying a special morning Mass each day for the poor suffering, discriminated white boys in our society. They really were never given a chance.

My own mother went on welfare after our dad left. And being a white boy myself, I had to work my way through college. It was terribly discriminatory. Just look at all the black people who are now US senators. You can probably count them. Anyone want to begin? See, its all reverse discrimination against white males. God help us white people.


Posted by Grandparent, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 1, 2011 at 11:42 pm

teresa is such a smart ass with nothing to offer, from her sheltered, biased, political soapbox..bring in irrelevant drivvle, so totally out of touch with the reality of 2011..just stuck in her hippie past.


Posted by Mike, a resident of Highland Oaks
on Sep 2, 2011 at 6:30 am

Grandmother,

My son is a financially well off 4.0 WASP, and Cal awarded him a scholarship worth half of his tuition, which, parenthetically, we never asked for; so I'm wondering if your grandson filled out all the available forms. Generally speaking, schools make sure that the kids with top grades are given every advantage.


Posted by Maja7, a resident of another community
on Sep 2, 2011 at 8:31 am

I get it, the children of illegal immigrants can go to college and pay in-state tuition simply because they squatted in California. While the current legal residents of the state are finding it harder & harder to get into a college in their home state because the colleges/universities are seeking out-of-state students for the higher tuition they have to pay? Something is wrong here! If you are a legal resident of the state, you should have the opportunity to go to college in your own state. If you are an illegal resident (either by your "in-action" or the "in-action" of your parents), you should pay out-of-state/country tuition. Problem solved.


Posted by Shawndra, a resident of Parkside
on Sep 2, 2011 at 12:07 pm

Fact is, despite all the inferior white folks' angst, UC selects the best crop of incoming students. Their selections are based upon merit. If you or your kid can't cut it, it's probably because you allowed too much Brittany, Gaga, Justin into your house. No, geniuses, those are not Nobel prize winners. If your kids aren't faring well on the college front, turn the mirror upon yourselves. It's likely attributable to bad parenting.


Posted by you don't get it, a resident of Country Fair
on Sep 2, 2011 at 12:29 pm

Shawndra, It's not that we don't think there are intelligent illegals, it's just that the intelligent legal citizens now have to divide a small amount of money with people who did not enter this country the correct way. For those of us who did enter the country legally and might now have scholarships and grants that would have helped us pay for tuition for our kids taken from us, that is irksome.


Posted by Shawndra, a resident of Parkside
on Sep 2, 2011 at 12:36 pm

Yes, "you don't get it," you really DON'T get it! Re-read the bill. It doesn't say anything about handing out scholarships to undocumented immigrants; in fact it expressly prohibits doing such. As such, I think you've provided sufficient evidence that you're the last person to be talking about intelligence as it relates to anyone, documented or undocumented.

What the bill does is offer opportunity for undocumented immigrants who score well enough to get accepted into UC the 'right' to pay in-state rather than out-state tuition.


Posted by @Shawndra, a resident of Country Fair
on Sep 2, 2011 at 1:00 pm

Shawndra, use your critical thinking skills and reread the bill. No, the politicians are not going to say "yes, now we're giving illegal immigrants scholarships." The basically say that a state has the right to do that and they hide the truth in words like "public benefits."

From the bill: (Please not EXISTING in that first sentence)
Existing law requires that a student, other than a nonimmigrant alien, as defined, who has attended high school in California for 3 or more years, who has graduated from a California high school or attained the equivalent thereof, who has registered at or attends an accredited institution of higher education in California not earlier than the fall semester or quarter of the 2001–02 academic year, and who, if he or she is an alien without lawful immigration status, has filed a prescribed affidavit, is exempt from paying nonresident tuition at the California Community Colleges and the California State University.
....
Further down in the bill:
(2)Existing federal law requires that a state may provide that an alien who is not lawfully present in the United States is eligible for any state or local public benefit for which that alien would otherwise be ineligible under a specified federal law only through enactment of a state law that affirmatively provides for that eligibility.


Posted by Mike, a resident of Highland Oaks
on Sep 2, 2011 at 3:54 pm

Regardless, nothing else happens unless the student has the grades; and if the student has the grades, then it's right and proper, not to mention a very good thing for the world, that everything else happen to make it easier for the student.

Additionally, it is unthinkable to discriminate against a child for the act of the parent; and it's obtuse to criticize a parent for responding to the biological drive to give the child a better life.




Posted by it's all crazy, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 2, 2011 at 4:06 pm

How on earth can you MAKE a US citizen and CA working and taxpaying resident pay taxes to subsidize the education of someone here illegally. I just don't get it. I had some degree of respect for Jerry Brown when he came into office. No more, he hasn't fixed public sector pensions and this is just ridiculous.

I can't believe how much our taxes are abused by the state and federal government. They say that they've cut everything they can, there is nowhere else to cut except education and public safety, but there is enough money for this?? Where are our priorities?


Posted by Mike, a resident of Highland Oaks
on Sep 2, 2011 at 5:37 pm

Waiving non-resident tuition is not actually "giving" anything to the student. It's simply not "taking" it from the student. Thus it is not asking the taxpayer to subsidize. It's kind of what all taxpayers like: less tax.

Grants are always limited amounts, thus not going to make or break the deal; and scholarships are usually from the private sector, thus not from the taxpayer's pocket. Student loans are returned with interest.

I would say that the taxpayer is not being asked to do much.


Posted by it's all crazy, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 2, 2011 at 6:09 pm

It costs more than in-state tuition to educate a student. Therefore the taxpayer pays for the amount needed above and beyond tuition. Jerry Brown is aware of the extra costs, which is why he wanted a delay in introducing this. It costs money we do not have and it should be illegal to make people pay taxes for illegals when we can't afford to keep our streets safe and are taking money away from our own children's education.


Posted by Shawndra, a resident of Country Fair
on Sep 2, 2011 at 6:29 pm

"It's all crazy" to you because it's all crazy to you. All you can do is fester in your own hatred. Some of these kids are going to go on and become great leaders, doctors, and agents of social change.

All "it's all crazy" can think about pinching a few pennies. God, what a short-sighted, narrow-minded, hate-filled creeeeeep!


Posted by it's all crazy, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 2, 2011 at 7:57 pm

I read this would cost many millions, not pennies. Enough to pay for a lot of teacher jobs. I've also worked in three different countries and my children, who were born abroad, did not get citizenship or any special treatment. Once the job was done, we were expected to go. There were forms to fill in to work in those countries for both management and labor related jobs and you had to wait until you were legal to enter. You were on your own or your employer covered college education and all healthcare in both cases. Leader, doctors and agents of social change are probably bright enough to get themselves through college - I know plenty of people who did this on their own.


Posted by Mike, a resident of Highland Oaks
on Sep 2, 2011 at 8:14 pm

And those who have the grades to be accepted to good California universities will also have to pay their own way, to the degree that all other residents do: no more, no less.

It's to everyone's benefit to create an even playing field when it comes to education. Muscle provides the labor to actualize the ideas of educated minds.


Posted by it's all crazy, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 2, 2011 at 8:30 pm

Only if they are legally allowed to be here. Being a resident in most countries is a legal word that means you have done what you need to do to legally live in that country and that while you are there, you and your family are expected to pay taxes and be officially documented. Otherwise you cannot open a bank account, rent an apartment etc. Most countries would never subsidize the education for someone there illegally.


Posted by Stacey, a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Sep 2, 2011 at 9:22 pm

Stacey is a registered user.

If they have the grades to enter college and graduate college with good grades, we should make them citizens. We need bright people to stay and contribute to our country. We lose out when these people who were educated here go back to their own countries and contribute there.


Posted by it's all crazy, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 2, 2011 at 10:11 pm

That's fine, but if you want to do it this way, we have to get the laws in place first and they have to do it legally. Taxpayers should not be asked to pay for people who are not legal - seriously, it is just crazy! And if we're going this way, it has to count for any bright student of any nationality to get this perk, not just people who are illegal.


Posted by John T., a resident of California Reflections
on Sep 2, 2011 at 10:46 pm

Can someone point to me where academically qualified, undocumented immigrants who are to be charged RESIDENT tuition are going to cost the state's taxpayers millions of dollars?

Methinks "it's all crazy" making such a claim is just all so much craziness. Maybe not. Maybe "it's all crazy" truly doesn't recognize the difference between his/her own standing in those countries he or she worked in, and the standing of undocumented immigrants and their children in this country.

Here's the bottom line, "it's all crazy." The overwhelming majority of undocumented workers in this country have been invited here. They have been told there is work, sometimes they have even read U.S. workers-wanted posters in their own provinces in Mexico, and when they arrive here there has been plenty of work for them.

You may be living in a house that may have been constructed with undocumented labor, may be having your lawn tended by undocumented labor, almost certainly you're eating fruits and vegetables at a discount because they were picked by undocumented labor, you're having access to live-in cooks and nannies on account of undocumented labor -- all this and more. Once you acknowledge how the U.S. _citizenry_ is highly indebted to undocumented labor, your stated desire to exclude them and their children by pricing them out of the tuition market comes across as highly selfish and hypocritical.

But by all means, disregard the facts and continue with your hate-filled rants.


Posted by it's all crazy, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 3, 2011 at 11:45 am

"Can someone point to me where academically qualified, undocumented immigrants who are to be charged RESIDENT tuition are going to cost the state's taxpayers millions of dollars?"

Read the papers today - the cost of this is $23-40 million dollars a year. That's the cost of hundreds of teachers jobs a year.

And I'm afraid the money fairy is going on a vacation again. Just like she did in 2007.

Given we've based our whole state budget on rosy assumptions - guess what, we're out of money to even educate the people here legally (and those illegally) in K-12 properly.


Posted by John T., a resident of California Reflections
on Sep 3, 2011 at 8:36 pm

"it's all crazy" reads a loopy right-wing blog and believes everything he says.

Take two students, one "legal" and one "illegal". The "illegal" shows higher academic qualification than the "legal." The "illegal" gets accepted into the UC and is required to pay resident tuition, no different than had the "legal" student been accepted. Net difference for taxpayer? Zip.

"it's all crazy", never having been to college himself, can only parrot what he reads from the right-wing blogosphere. It's goinng to cost taxpayers MILLIONS AND MILLIONS!!! But he's wrong and doesn't know what he's talking about. Pretty sad, actually.


Posted by Grandparent, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 3, 2011 at 9:14 pm

Shawndra and John T, two arrogant, ignorant, *%SS+@ in a pod. Shawndra butted in late and obviously incapable of reading before spouting, my grandsons are AP honors,k not into Brittany and Gaga...only really stupid people would make such ignorant assumptions.
I'm really puzzled why John T. and others be so against EQUAL TREATMENT ! ! MLK was for equal standards, equal treatment, equal playing fields. I don't understand several asses in this thread who oppose equal treatment, and equal standards. Your whole case is blown to **** if you believe in preferences over equality.


Posted by Grandparent, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 3, 2011 at 9:33 pm

I read the article in Sat. Valley Times. You can go to www.BayAreaNewsgroup.com to read article, entitled "Student aid for illegal immigrants approved". Assembly sends bill to Brown, who had OK'd first part of package...from the Sacramento Bee,(which few right wing people read).
The state Assembly voted Friday to send Gov Jerry Brown a bill that allows undocumented immigrant college students to receive PUBLICLY funded financial aid.
After a lengthy debate, AB131--the second part of the controversial measure known as the California Dream Act--kcleareed the olower house on a 45-27 vote.
"Today is a wonderful day" said Assemblyman MANUEL PEREZ, Dem-Coachella. "Today, there are many students throughout the state of Ca who are saying 'it's about time'.
The governor signed the first piece of the package in July, allowing undocumented students access to PRIVATE financial aid. He said then that he planned to "look very favorably upon" its companion bill, this one the Assembly sent him Friday.
We all know there are more wannabee students, than there are seats, so it will be interesting if equal standards are applied, or preferences, followed by 'sorry, we're full ! ! ! Now they'll all come for financial aid, denied to Alameda county born white males.


Posted by Jeff, a resident of Apperson Ridge
on Sep 4, 2011 at 4:17 am

@"from the Sacramento Bee,(which few right wing people read)."

Yes, the Bee does rather differ from Fox News doesn't it. All the more reason for right wing people not to read it.


Posted by QMike, a resident of Highland Oaks
on Sep 4, 2011 at 9:52 pm

Try adding up the total amount of financial aid, and tell me how much that comes to.


Posted by Maria, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 5, 2011 at 11:19 pm

Many of you folks who are crying "Discrimination!" re: admissions are completely missing the point. As many above me have stated, the UCs/ CSUs are admitting those who are QUALIFIED.

News flash: good grades aren't enough any more. You need volunteer work, a sport/ instrument, and the ability to write a damn good statement of intent. I should know: I graduated Amador with a 3.9 GPA and didn't get into Berkeley as a freshman. I did my two years at Las Positas and applied again, this time making it in.

"A California resident includes "(1) every individual who is in California for other than a temporary or transitory purpose, and (2) every individual who is domiciled in California who is outside California for a temporary or transitory purpose."" Web Link
I don't see anything in that definition to exclude those who are undocumented. Many of these students have done K-12 in the California schools; where else should they be going to college? They'd have to pay out of state fees anywhere else. Tuition is charged based on EFC (expected family contribution, which is calculated using numbers from the previous year's taxes, plus any scholarships or work-study) and adjusted on a yearly basis. And you can bet that non-residents get charged a HELL of a lot more, even factoring the EFC in.

The state loses many professionals in the students who attend college from out of state (and country) and then immediately go back home upon graduation. Let's not prematurely shrink the talent pool.



Oh, yeah, and I'm white.


Posted by I Tango by Myself in the Dark, a resident of Parkside
on Sep 5, 2011 at 11:26 pm

Yeah, but you're not a blue-eyed male!!!!!!! It makes a World of Difference. Why are you trying to spoil my hate-fest with facts? I HATE it when you guys do that! But then again, I hate just about anything that isn't like me.


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