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The Debacle in Wisconsin - Who's Next?

Original post made by Cindy Cross, Parkside, on Aug 11, 2011

By Cindy Cross
Democrats managed to defeat two of the six Wisconsin senators who were challenged in a recall election on Tuesday. Millions of dollars poured into the state from national labor groups in an attempt to remove republican senators who backed Republican Governor Scott Walker in his efforts in March to bust the powerful government workers union.
Exactly what happened? More specifically, what could happen in other states governed by a GOP majority?
The events that folded in Wisconsin in March surrounding the union debate widened the chasm between union and anti-union advocates. The series of events reads like a script from an Oliver Stone film; missing state senators, clandestine contributions from elusive billionaires, a pompous state Governor, working class protesters, secret internet hackers-- the cast is full of colorful characters, but all very real.
The debate had been brewing since Wisconsin began to reel from the effects of the current recession - leaving the state with a $137 million budget deficit. Many, if not most, states are in the same financial predicament as Wisconsin, but none had been willing to take a stand as large and as risky as Wisconsin Governor, Scott Walker, in trying to balance his state's budget.
At the core of Governor Walker's strategy to balance the budget was his decision to eliminate collective bargaining for government workers. Walker wanted most government workers (police and fire departments are exempt) to pay more for their pensions and healthcare. For union pensions, currently the union members pay nothing, while tax payers pay $150 million per year. Governor Walker is demanding that they pay half the cost of their own pensions equaling 5.8% of their pay. Also, Walker is demanding that the union workers pay 12.6% of their health care costs, up from 6% they are paying today. Governor Walker wants to strictly limit the government workers union to be held to strictly limit their bargaining rights to wages only. Simply put, all public workers, which include teachers and most government workers, would lose the inability to negotiate issues such as work conditions, vacation time or grievance processes.
In an effort to thwart the passage of the governor's bill through Wisconsin's state legislature, the state's 14 Democrat senators fled the state. Even with a Republican majority in the state's Senate, the state legislature requires a quorum, or a minimum of 2/3 be present in matters dealing with the state's budget. By avoiding a vote, the Democrat senators were hoping to kill the collective bargaining bill. Walker sent Wisconsin state troopers throughout the state to search for the missing senators.
Faced with the news of such drastic changes, an estimated 40,000 protesters flooded the Wisconsin Capitol. People from all over the country flooded into Wisconsin to either show their solidarity behind the protesters, or flocked to show their support of the Republican Governor. At issue is whether Walker wanted to simply bust the powerful public-sector unions.
Silently on the sidelines of the debate sat billionaire brothers Charles and David Koch. Koch Industries, an energy and consumer conglomerate, based in Wichita Kansas was one of the largest contributors to the campaign of Scott Walker. Among many subsidiaries of Koch Industries is Americans for Prosperity, who was among the smaller group of counter protesters in Wisconsin. Tim Phillips, the president of Americans for Prosperity told a group in Wisconsin, "We are going to bring fiscal sanity back to this great nation."
A spokesperson for Koch Industries denied any involvement of union busting, stating that Koch Industries has no direct stake in the union debate with the company having only about 3,000 employees in Wisconsin.
Political pundits and union activist speculated that the Koch brothers were trying to spark a debate promoting anti-union bias to other states, eventually busting unions nationwide that could save companies millions.
Hanging in the shadows, watching all the drama unfold is a group of liberal internet hackers who call themselves "Anonymous." The Anonymous group considered the events un-democratic and decided to take action by hacking Into the Koch Industries' websites. "Anonymous cannot ignore the plight of the citizen-workers of Wisconsin, or the opportunity to fight for the people in America's broken political system," says the press release given by the elusive group. "For these reasons, we feel that the Koch brothers threaten the United States democratic system and, by extension, all freedom-loving individuals everywhere."
The release went on to say that the role in the "grassroots" Tea Party movement are a means to "sway voters" using "falsehoods" and "starting today we are fighting back." The Koch Industry website was only down for a short time, but the Americans for Prosperity website was down for several days.
The thirteen missing senators blocked a vote on the senate floor, Governor Walker cleverly removed all budget and fiscal aspects from the collective bargaining bill thus allowing the remaining nineteen Republican senators to vote on a "non-budgetary" bill that requires no quorum. The senators were hastily called into session to vote on the bill which passed 18-1. Governor Walker signed the bill on March 11, 2011.
On March 18, Wisconsin Circuit Judge Maryann Sumi issued a temporary restraining order preventing the bill from being published and delaying the law from going into effect. Judge Sumi issued the order after the Dane County District attorney filed a lawsuit arguing that the Republicans violated Wisconsin's open meeting laws by failing to give 24 hour notice of a meeting. The Republicans argued that the open-meeting law 24 hour requirement did not apply in this case.
The collective bargaining debate in Wisconsin may be the catalyst that sparks Republican Governors across America to introduce the same or similar anti-collective bargaining bills to their legislatures. Republicans are more open about their views towards villainous "Big Government." One by one each state with a Republican held majority could potentially topple collective bargaining for state workers. Republican leadership is moving towards government being run more efficiently like a business whereby the rights of the many are dictated by a select few. Where will this leave teachers and government workers without the ability to bargain for better pay, working conditions and benefits? Only time and the will of the people will say.
The state of Wisconsin was the first state to allow government workers to unionize in 1959. How ironic.

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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Aug 11, 2011 at 11:59 pm

How come Walker has declared war on workers...what doe he know about war? As I recall, he's NEVER served his country in any branch of the military.

In my opinion, male and female Americans should be mandated to show up for a minimum of 2 yrs. military service and one year of volunteer service for their country before the age of 30.

College, babies, and other personal matters can wait. SERVICE TO YOUR COUNTRY SHOULD ALWAYS COME FIRST. If you want to live in the US, then earn it.



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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Aug 12, 2011 at 12:01 am

Otherwise, go back to where your ancestors came from.

Also, individuals who have never done military service, should pay federal taxes.


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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Aug 12, 2011 at 12:02 am

...should pay higher federal income tax.


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Posted by Myna
a resident of Birdland
on Aug 12, 2011 at 12:03 am

How ironic? Nope. How moronic, as usual. With nothing to say, no position to defend, no insights to offer, Cindy resorts to pastings from Fox News accounts. My 14 year old could do better.


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Posted by Dan
a resident of Bridle Creek
on Aug 12, 2011 at 7:03 am

Cindy,

You forgot the "rest of the story".

Wisconsin schools have actually BENEFITTED from Walkers policies. The effects from eliminating collective bargaining have meant that some school districts - those that did not renegotiate with the unions prior to the passage of the law - actually retained or hired MORE teachers. And guess what happened to those that didn't wait for passage...? You guessed it, layoffs.

In addition, what is noticeably missing from this screed is that the cost of healthcare that districts paid actually went down as a result of the bill. The prior contract restricted the districts to paying a union owned broker for healthcare services. Again, guess what happened? When CB was eliminated that same union-owned broker lowered their premiums substantially, saving the districts millions of $.

Take from this what you will...

Dan


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Posted by steve
a resident of Parkside
on Aug 12, 2011 at 8:36 am

When I first read the title of this topic, I immediately was thinking of the debacle that was the racial motivated beatings at the Wisconsin State fair last week. The fact that roving gangs of black thugs were targeting and beating white fair goers and their families and there was very little media coverage of the incident speaks volumes about how our country is being degraded. Spoiled zulus using their cell phones to organize targeted beat-downs, robberies and looting.....sounds a little like what's going on in England...what do they have in common, I wonder?


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Posted by Doctor without cure
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 12, 2011 at 9:19 am

'spoiled zulus'

That about says it all.

signed,
Im not a racist I only hate the white part of Obama, steve


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Posted by Ceasar
a resident of Charter Oaks
on Aug 12, 2011 at 9:31 am

Danny Boy from Bridle Creek isn't being honest. The union-busting policies of the gov in cheeseland means that 383,000 public employees will see a drop in their pay beginning this August. The impact of lost wages is projected to have a dire effect on small businesses --- lost wages = lost spending power --- and projections are that at least 31,000 jobs will be lost across the state --- reduced sales = lost jobs. Nice.


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Posted by Leland
a resident of Ruby Hill
on Aug 12, 2011 at 9:41 am

Let's be HONEST here. It sure does warm my heart when I see working-class people cannibalizing one another. The spectacle of it, combined with tax cuts on the income I make from the millions I got from my Daddy's inheritance, makes it especially nice....


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Posted by Slap in taxpayer's face
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 12, 2011 at 9:47 am

Wisconsin was the first to sellout citizens right to govern themselves. So this suicidal path we are now on started since the 60s for most other states who have since surrendered citizens rights... turning us into hostages of blackmailer union groups. Now the exponential expansion of member are now retiring. The loposided system is simply not sustainable. Political whores and public unions are in colusion against the rest of us. We employers are the victims of these two selfish and greedy groups. Chickens are coming home to roost. Recent crazy upside-down decades, need to be salvaged. We must stop this insanity and return to common sense and integrity.
After decades of this, surely we've learned that being blindly decent and generous doesn't mean there aren't greedy who always want more, and are willing to stab the generousity of the taxpaying employer. It has now all come to light as it is apparent those excesses are taking from all of our public projects and public service programs. Roads, welfare, education, everything else taxpayers provide for, will have to be eliminated, curtailed, or downsized...OR public union excesses adjusted and immediately changed for all newhires everywhere...and it is only logical that they whould contribute to their own retirements,,,like everybody else.
Article in today's Times (BayAreaNewsGroup) about CoCO union. After all the recent exposure of their greed, the union blockheads are still demanding UNused vacation pay added to pay, and counted as future LIFETIME retirement pay....greedy backmailers are too dense to grasp the immorality of their greed. They would have the sick and poor in the street. They must be brought in line with peer groups in the country.


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Posted by against lopo-sizing
a resident of Birdland
on Aug 12, 2011 at 9:57 am

Slap-Happy rants, "After all the recent exposure of their greed, the union blockheads are still demanding UNused vacation pay added to pay, and counted as future LIFETIME retirement pay....greedy backmailers are too dense to grasp the immorality of their greed."

Please explain what is "immoral" about expecting unused vacation pay and having that part of your salary count toward retirement. I received both at private companies I've worked for. Never thought of it as immoral, nor did my employers.


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Posted by Chris
a resident of Amador Estates
on Aug 12, 2011 at 10:09 am

Hey Cindy,
Your description of a "pompous" Governor Walker gives me convulsions.

Do you define "pomposity" as one who cares to save this State from the bankrupt policies of the socialist democrats?

The only pomposity I see is from our Democrat politicians who cannot steal enough of our hard-earned money for their insatiable power.

You make me sick and I will never spend a second again reading your left-leaning garbage.


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Posted by Kathleen Ruegseggerr
a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on Aug 12, 2011 at 10:28 am

We are just seeing the tip of the iceberg in Wisconsin. Some links to other news on the same topic are below. I'm sure there are plenty of others.

US Postal Service: Web Link

Contra Costa County:
Web Link


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Posted by Union Guy
a resident of San Ramon
on Aug 12, 2011 at 10:45 am

You get paid vacation days, you don't take the vacation, you save the company having to bring in somebody new who needs training and will probably screw up. Of course you should get the vacation pay. You earned it. What kind of nitwit would claim otherwise?


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Posted by Slap in taxpayer's face
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 12, 2011 at 12:40 pm

OF COURSE YOU SHOULD GET VACATION,(IF IT'S PART OF YOUR EMPLOYMENT), BUT THE CRIME IS ADDING IT TO YOU PERMANENT PAY SCALE TO EXCALATE THE CALCULATION FOR LIFETIME RETIREMENT BENEFITS....a rather corrupt EXPONENTIAL RETIREMENT PAY ESCALATOR.


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Posted by Obama
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 12, 2011 at 1:00 pm

We have been duped. While her husband destroys the american way of life and golfs a lot (terribly I might add), Michelle Obama travels the world on our nickel. Check out this.....

First Lady Michelle Obama over the last year has spent a total of 42 days on vacation, or a little more than one out of every nine days, according to a White House Dossier analysis of her travel.
Her vacations, the cost of which are mostly borne by taxpayers, include trips to Panama City, Fla., Martha's Vineyard, Hawaii, South Africa, Latin America, Vail, Colo., and her visit this week to her brother in Corvallis, Ore.
The total does not include a nine day sojourn in Martha's Vineyard that the Obamas will enjoy this month. Nor does it include a trip she made to Ireland and Great Britain in May, which I'm counting as official travel.
The total vacation time would have been slightly higher had the Obamas gone as planned for an April weekend in Williamsburg, Va. The trip was cancelled due to an extended stalemate between President Obama and Congress over the budget.
Mrs. Obama's extensive vacation travel comes while many America citizens find themselves out of work or having trouble making ends meet as the economic recovery stalls.
Taxpayers pick up most of the cost of transporting the first lady and her extensive entourage – including Secret Service and her staff – to her various destinations. While she may in some cases pay some of the tab for her personal expenses and travel, the amount is dwarfed by the overall cost to the public.
On trips she makes with the president, though, the costs are only somewhat greater that then they would have been had he travelled alone.
Mrs. Obama's vacations began in August 2010 with a two day weekend trip to Panama City, Fla., where the Obamas stayed overnight at a Gulf of Mexico hotel in a symbolic effort to show that the Gulf area was safe for travel in the wake of the disastrous BP oil spill.
Next up was what has become an annual pilgrimage to ritzy Martha's Vineyard, where the Obamas stayed 10 days and dined at several exorbitantly priced restaurants.
In December 2010, with President Obama delayed because Congress was still in town, Mrs. Obama decided to leave without him for their annual Hawaiian vacation, racking up at least $63,000 in additional costs because she travelled alone.
Since the president arrived late, he decided to leave Hawaii in January two days later than scheduled – resulting in a 17 day vacation for the first lady.
Mrs. Obama went right back out on vacation the following month, taking a four day skiing trip in February of this year to Vail, Colo.
In March, Mrs. Obama travelled to Latin America for a five day trip. I'm counting two days of this as vacation, though, because she took her children and her mother along, performed some sightseeing, and went to the beach.
The first lady went to southern Africa in June for six days in what was partially an official visit. Since Mrs. Obama took her mother, her children and their cousins along, since the trip was billed in advance as having personal significance for her, and since the travel included several tourist destinations and a safari, I'm counting half of the journey as vacation, or three days.
Finally, Mrs, Obama took her mother and one of her children to visit her brother in Corvallis, Ore. this week. The trip was not announced by the White House and appears to have lasted four days.


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Posted by Dan
a resident of Bridle Creek
on Aug 12, 2011 at 1:08 pm

Ceasar,

What does the drop in pay represent? Did the Gov just take the money away and put it aside? Or did the Gov require the employees to pay more for their health care? Come on genius, what's the answer?

Give us the "rest of the story".

What do you have against the employer (the taxpayer) wanting to pay less for services? Why is the public employee not responsible to pay a portion of his/her benefits? Why are the unions allowed to be the middle-man in health care delivery? Why did it take the end of collective bargaining for the union middleman to lower its rates?

Got answers?

I give you success stories, you give me snappy monikers.

So...sling your mud smart guy.

Respectfully,

Danny-B


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Posted by Caesar
a resident of Charter Oaks
on Aug 12, 2011 at 2:34 pm

My! Well I never! What unbecoming language on this site!

Thanks for the "genius" label there Danny Boy. I'll take it. You'll understand of course if I don't reciprocate?

Health care benefits, pensions, are part of salaries -- they are deferred salaries. Got that? Requiring employees to pay more of their immediate salary towards their deferred salary amounts to ... [have you guessed yet?] ... a cut in salary! See? It doesn't require a genius to follow such reasoning.

Sorry, but I am not an employer. I do pay taxes. Public sector workers are employed by cities, counties, states, the fed govt, etc. I have nothing against self-inflated and selfish little prisses who, imagining themselves to be employers, desire to see public workers' salaries decrease so that a governor can use to pay off a deficit that (1) was created within an economic environment where the wealthy don't pay their fair share and (2) that will not be paid back when the Wisconsin state economy begins to recover. Of course (2) is unlikely when the Koch brother toe-licker governor is robbing working-class joes so as to justify not requiring the wealthy to pay their fair share of taxes into the state coffers.

So, let me make myself clear. I have absolutely nothing against self-loathing, union bashing scabs who do the bidding of the Koch Brothers and Lelands in the world.




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Posted by Today's Analyst
a resident of Downtown
on Aug 12, 2011 at 2:47 pm

Re. the sicko posing as "Obama"

Ladies and Gentleman, this is what happens when racism is tied to an obsessive personality disorder.


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Posted by Hilton
a resident of Livermore
on Aug 12, 2011 at 3:23 pm

Web Link America's next prez...


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Posted by Dan
a resident of Bridle Creek
on Aug 12, 2011 at 3:39 pm

Genius, (and you know who you are)

I'm not quibbling about the definition of salary; knock yourself out.

I'm simply explaining that instead of them paying $0 for benefits, they now have to pay a small amount (I'm not sure how much) towards THEIR OWN benefits, just like everyone else in private sector does.

To quote the immortal John McClane: "Welcome to the party, pal!"

Never forget this Caesar: regardless of who legally employs the public worker, they are deriving their salaries from MY TAXES.

Prissy indeed...yep, you're a real tough guy.

Oh and don't attempt to answer all the other questions I asked, your credibility left the moment you brought up the...GASP! KOCH BROTHERS!

Genius.

Danny B




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Posted by different take
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 12, 2011 at 4:59 pm

"Danny Boy from Bridle Creek isn't being honest. The union-busting policies of the gov in cheeseland means that 383,000 public employees will see a drop in their pay beginning this August. The impact of lost wages is projected to have a dire effect on small businesses --- lost wages = lost spending power --- and projections are that at least 31,000 jobs will be lost across the state --- reduced sales = lost jobs. Nice."

Ceasar,

Lost wages only equate to lost spending power if you have the money to pay the wages in the first place. The truth is the spending power is already lost for a variety of reasons. Even if the cheese state were to raise taxes to fund those employees so that their spending power weren't diminished, the taxpayers spending power would be diminished.


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Posted by Caesar
a resident of Charter Oaks
on Aug 12, 2011 at 6:27 pm

Danny Boy, It gives me great pleasure to correct people who are wrong. It gives me even greater pleasure when that someone who is wrong isn't a very nice person. [E.G., Danny Boy to the cop: "You can't ticket me, I'm your boss!" and other such nonsense.] And the pleasure heightens yet again when that someone who is wrong is consistently wrong, on every post, because they are unable to think their way out of a woman's shoebox.


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Posted by J. Crowman
a resident of Birdland
on Aug 12, 2011 at 6:49 pm

Some sad soul says, "Lost wages only equate to lost spending power if you have the money to pay the wages in the first place. The truth is the spending power is already lost for a variety of reasons. Even if the cheese state were to raise taxes to fund those employees so that their spending power weren't diminished, the taxpayers spending power would be diminished."

Sounds like a former Dan Quayle supporter, then Palin supporter, who has now flown those coops in order to join the Ron Paul nutcake festival. Have you ever read such pure hokem? Ya gotta read each sentence and pause for a moment before moving to the next. See what I mean? Bring on the white coats and butterfly nets!


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Posted by Dan
a resident of Bridle Creek
on Aug 12, 2011 at 7:57 pm

Genius,

Great come back smart guy...great come back.

When you do some real analysis come back and talk to me...

Dan


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Posted by Caesar
a resident of Charter Oaks
on Aug 12, 2011 at 8:24 pm

J. Crowman asked me to read "different takes" mishmash. And then he asked me to read it slowly. I did. My analysis finds that "different take's" ability to use the word 'diminish' twice in one sentence tells me something. He must have learned a new word today.

Danny Boy, totally stupified to have learned that he isn't the boss of the traffic cop who stopped him while speeding home to re-watch the replay of the Sarah Palin reality t.v. series, can only compliment me for allowing some light into the basement he lives in. Here's to ye, Danny Boy. Join us after the shoe shop closes. Cheers.


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Posted by Yeah
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 12, 2011 at 11:16 pm

Delighted the republicans stayed in control. Great result!


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Posted by gorio
a resident of Danbury Park
on Aug 13, 2011 at 12:04 am

wah wah wah


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Posted by Luella
a resident of Bridle Creek
on Aug 13, 2011 at 10:14 am

My husband has been put into a deep funk after learning that he is not the boss of our kids' teachers and principals and truant officers. He couldn't believe it. After another one of our kids got bad grades this past year, he stormed into the principal's office and demanded that the kids be given better teachers who teach more in accord with our family values. He told the principal "Look Buddy, as a taxpayer I'm your boss and I pay your salary." It seems all the principal could do to stop from laughing. The teacher then said, "You're not my boss, and you don't pay my salary." Can you believe it? He actually SAID that. Well, we have hired a law firm to get the principal and teachers fired and to get them to return the salaries we paid to them. I'll let you know what happens. But hearing from Caesar that my husband isn't the boss of the truant officers we've had to deal with over the years, well, it's been a sad day around here. At least he's still boss at home. I'm a respectful wife who submits to her husband's bossdumb.


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Posted by John Douglas
a resident of another community
on Aug 13, 2011 at 7:59 pm

I think the original issue is taking a bargaining chip off the table in Wisconsin. Regardless of your political views or take on the distribution on wealth, it should not be against the law to collectively bargain for the demands of working people. Union busting has been going on now to the point where they're an endangered species in the grand scheme of American labor. Federal and state deficits are so out of control something drastic and painful has to be done, but taking away the rights of organized labor is a near sighted solution to a complex problem.


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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Aug 13, 2011 at 8:12 pm

Luella & her hubby just made my day! I'm so tickled I can hardly stop laughing. tee hee hee, tee hee hee...

People pay taxes...if you don't want to pay, go live in another country...where they don't tax residents.

Your husband must be a wimp if he falls into a "deep funk" just because somebody talks back and gives him a dose of reality...tee hee heee, tee hee hee, tee hee hee, tee hee hee...

get a life...wimps


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Posted by Leland
a resident of Ruby Hill
on Aug 14, 2011 at 12:01 pm

My very successful Daddy who left me several hundred millions to play around with always told me to plan for the future. I've taken his advice.

Here's the plan. One, get rid of unions, smash them until there's nothing left standing (see early 1950s when CIO was decimated by loyal right-wing patriots who banned or jailed most CIO leaders on account of them being communists).

Two, outlaw collective bargaining. Why give workers that added advantage? Divide and conquer was always my Daddy's motto.

Three, repeal the minimum wage law. 22 states - all the sophisticated ones like Alabam, Mississipp, Louisian, Oklahome, the Dakota twins -- have already done so.

Four, lower teacher salaries. They don't teach a full year, and who needs that much education anyways for all the low-paying jobs that'll fall into our lap.

Five, leave my money working in the offshore operation soon to be called 3rd world United States, and move me and my family to Sweden where we can enjoy the good life.

Six, laugh when after 7 years of a Perry-Bachmann administration, Texas is finally declared a free nation which, as its first act, triumphs over a high unemployment rate by re-introducing slavery. All teachers who insist on pointing out that Davy Crockett did not die valiantly at the Alamo but in fact surrendered, dropped to his knees before Santa Ana, and through tear-filled sobs begged for his life, will be sent to re-education camps in Northern Minnesota where they will learn how to submit to their husbands.


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Posted by Slap in taxpayer's face
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 14, 2011 at 7:17 pm

RESULTS ARE IN.... it was really a treat to hear the actual results of the Wisconsin election. The public unions tried to have a strongarm recall election of 6 state seats. unions won 2, LOST four (4)...and the union Dems were blocked from state Senate control !! PLUS, here's the biggie, the automatic deduction of union dues for political purposes has been ELIMINATED ! ! Another BIGGIE, Wisconsin school districts can REwrite contracts. Now they are avoiding layoffs, with sensible adjustments everybody gets to keep their jobs.
FUNNY, remember how during protests the media covered sign carriers 24/7 for several weeks. But, there hasn't been much noise about the REFORMS... common sense reforms are a win for the taxpaying residents...jobs can be saved, automatic deduction theft is stopped, (turned out the protesters ending up losing, but it sure turned out great for the resident voters). It's right for everyone.


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Posted by Slap in taxpayer's face
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 14, 2011 at 7:17 pm

RESULTS ARE IN.... it was really a treat to hear the actual results of the Wisconsin election. The public unions tried to have a strongarm recall election of 6 state seats. unions won 2, LOST four (4)...and the union Dems were blocked from state Senate control !! PLUS, here's the biggie, the automatic deduction of union dues for political purposes has been ELIMINATED ! ! Another BIGGIE, Wisconsin school districts can REwrite contracts. Now they are avoiding layoffs, with sensible adjustments everybody gets to keep their jobs.
FUNNY, remember how during protests the media covered sign carriers 24/7 for several weeks. But, there hasn't been much noise about the REFORMS... common sense reforms are a win for the taxpaying residents...jobs can be saved, automatic deduction theft is stopped, (turned out the protesters ending up losing, but it sure turned out great for the resident voters). It's right for everyone.


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Posted by I like this
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 14, 2011 at 7:41 pm

"PLUS, here's the biggie, the automatic deduction of union dues for political purposes has been ELIMINATED ! ! Another BIGGIE"

California needs to come on board with this also. I've never understood why our state is providing collection services for the very unions that use those funds to lobby against the taxpayers best interest, use those funds to place candidates on city councils that will approve their contracts, etc...etc...etc. It doesn't make sense on several levels. Why is taxpayer money being spent to collect and process union dues, to fund a union agenda that may or may not align with the philosophy of the union members they're pick-pocketing.

Let the unions collect their own money, and let the union members decide if they want to contribute. This issue doesn't get near the attention it deserves!

Taxpayers need to keep pounding this important issue. Union members that oppose having money removed from their check to support issues they oppose, or candidates they don't support, need to speak up as well.


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Posted by Caesar
a resident of Charter Oaks
on Aug 15, 2011 at 12:11 am

Poor Danny Boy, after getting spanked every which way, and ashamed to use his own name, poses as another poster. Very sad. He is like a little child with a loser instinct who just can't get enough punishment.

Fact is, the recall effort stepped right into the heart of Republicanland and pulled out two, almost three, victories. Repub majority is down from three to one. One of the Repubs voted against the union busting scheme. So, looks like Dems didn't do too badly at all. Koch brothers poured unbelievable amounts of cash in an effort to save the Repub jackboot lickers, working people still earned two victories.

Next time around, Walker is toast as all the Koch money in their offshore accounts won't be enough to save him.

More samples of this loser's idiocy? "Oh goody, I lose my right to collective bargaining but I don't have to pay union dues!" The guy tries racist "humor"; then he comes out from behind his ladies shoe counter to thump his anemic chickenbreast about being bossman who pays workers' salaries; now he thinks everyone will recognize his idiotic reference to saved union dues. The cluelessness, bound up with the personality disorder, is beyond belief. What is even funnier is that he doesn't even recognize that his attempts at writing are a dead giveaway as to his weak-ego identity.

Sign me in as, Bored


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Posted by Leland
a resident of Ruby Hill
on Aug 15, 2011 at 12:14 am

Heck, that sounds like an interesting idea. My Daddy who left me (hundreds of) millions pretty much used the Pinkertons to crush the workers unions at his plants. I still have to deal with the Teamsters, though. Maybe I'll run this by 'em. Hey Boys, how about forfeiting your right to bargain collectively? You'd save on union dues! Yep, most intelligent idea I've heard all day long.


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Posted by Be fair
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 15, 2011 at 1:34 am

Walker looks stronger - unions spend 20 million on recall and come up short... Unions take over the capitol while threatining to "bloody the Nose" of those who oppose. Wisconsin taxpaers only asking for a fair shake tire of union thuggery and get it right. Taxpayers understand protecting the public sector union upper-middle class removes money from bank accounts of 85% of working families that will rely on savings and social security, while they fund the 15% that get lifetime pensions and lifetime healthcare.

It's not just the salary - it is the total compensation; both funded and unfunded.

Ceaser, do you understand? I didn't think so!


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Posted by steve
a resident of Parkside
on Aug 15, 2011 at 9:05 am

caesar can't reply now---he is getting ready for his latest public display of spoiled behavior and is going to the BART riot scheduled for this afternoon's commute. He's gotta show those taxpaying workers that his thug buddies are in control and they'll stamp their feet on the BART platform until they get what they want.
Only a union thug could promote the notion not being in the majority of sensible voters in Wisconsin is somehow a mandate for union gangs.
Get a life little caesar.


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Posted by Caesar
a resident of Charter Oaks
on Aug 15, 2011 at 11:17 am

What? No reference to "spoiled zulus" this time from steve? He must be losing his racist edge. Tell ya one thing: The women's shoe salesman won't be anywhere near the BART station. He's afraid of "those people."


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Posted by SteveP
a resident of Parkside
on Aug 15, 2011 at 2:44 pm

SteveP is a registered user.

OK, Caesar. Don't drop your keys...watch out for those zulu union reps.


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Posted by Caesar
a resident of Charter Oaks
on Aug 15, 2011 at 9:58 pm

Ha-ha-ha-ha. SteveP makes a joke. "Don't drop your keys." Get it? What a screamer he is! Combined with, ha-ha-ha, "spoiled zulus." Must be something about the name steve that lends itself to racism and bigotry.


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Posted by Slap in taxpayer's face
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 15, 2011 at 11:19 pm

Caesar, how do you figure....there were 6 seats in play, Dems gained 2, and Repubs kept FOUR ! ! ! ! Plus winning several biggies,
don't try to rewrite history,


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Posted by Caesar
a resident of Charter Oaks
on Aug 15, 2011 at 11:59 pm

Hey smart guy, all 6 races were in traditionally REPUBLICAN districts. Go back to school, creep.


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Posted by Caesar
a resident of Charter Oaks
on Aug 16, 2011 at 8:58 pm

Whose next? Whose next??? Both Dems trounced their Rep challengers in the recall elections this evening. After the Dems snatched two positions from incumbant Repubs last week, that makes the divide 16 Dems and 17 Repubs in the Senate, with one Repub having voted _against_ Walker's dictatorial Koch-financed decision to screw with the unions. Seems like the populace is not ready to stand for a tearing down of the unions under the false pretense of fiscal conservatism. Fiscal insanity more like it. What will have been achieved before the Governor is soon to be recalled? Lost wages, shuttering of small businesses, and approximately 38,000 lost jobs. Soon Walker's shinanigans will be corrected by the democratic majority and workers' right to collectively bargain will be restored. Scoreboard!


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