Town Square

Post a New Topic

McNerney set to vote today either FOR or AGAINST our individual freedom (Re: Light Bulb Repeal Act)

Original post made by Edison on Jul 12, 2011

So how will McNerney vote this week (maybe even today)?

Will he vote FOR our individual freedom (i.e. in favor of allowing "his lowly subjects" to be free to choose whether we want to buy the incandescent light bulbs?)

OR will he vote AGAINST our American right in this once freedom loving country to choose for ourselves by MANDATING the squiggly CFL bulbs?

We shall see.

Let's stop and think for a moment...this light bulb issue is the perfect analogy of democrat principles, however. Let's evaluate...

Incandescent bulbs:
- Inexpensive
- Safe
- Many are made in America
- They WORK

CFL bulbs:
- Hugely expensive...up to $8 each
- If broken, harmful mercury is emitted.
- Will result in many US jobs lost...bulbs will be made in China
- They DON'T WORK as well.

That about sums it up. Another example of Democrat logic. (And yes, I am disgusted that Bush signed this Democrat-sponsored legislation).

We will see if McNerney votes for our freedom regarding this recent Republican-sponsored bill to remove the ban. Or will he vote down democrat party line...in favor of Socialist/Marxism/Big Government oppression?

I personally won't hold my breath.
We all know McNerney is a Socialist/Marxist and that he will stomp out our individual freedom whenever and where-ever he has an opportunity to do so.

Hey McNerney...WHERE DOES GOVERNMENT MANDATE OVER OUR LIVES END? WHAT PRODUCTS ARE NEXT?
- You are close to forcing us to buy certain govt cars
- Refrigerators?
- Washing machines?
- The food we eat?
- The clothes we wear?

Where is your benchmark country? Oh, I know ... NORTH KOREA!!!

More on the upcoming House vote >>> Web Link




Comments (38)

Posted by Hummer Steve, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 12, 2011 at 7:13 am

It began with traffic lights. Restricting our liberties to speed thru intersections at will; then they took our holstered guns away from us; then they assigned police captains with ungodly salaries. Then, my personal pet peeve, they passed laws against physically keeping one's spouse in line. Next they're going to slap a requirement that we keep our autos smogged. Where will this end?


Posted by Tea Party Revivalist, a resident of Ruby Hill
on Jul 12, 2011 at 7:22 am

This is turly one of the most disturbing post I've ever read. Is there not a way of indorsing a Constitutional Amendmant to prevent this incursion on our freedom?


Posted by Adolpho, a resident of Amador Estates
on Jul 12, 2011 at 7:32 am

They're not trying to remove incandescent bulbs from the market, they're actually requiring them to become 30% more efficient. What gives with that? What kind of nonpatriotic socialist nonsense is McNerney going to support next? After the tsunami hits us, we'll have Korea emerging from the swamp that once was the great US of A. We're doomed.


Posted by TP Pauly, a resident of Walnut Hills
on Jul 12, 2011 at 7:38 am

I'm okay with the light bulbs. But when the Democrat party comes after my waffle iron, I'm taking my fife and marching off to Singapore.


Posted by Educated GOPer, a resident of Danbury Park
on Jul 12, 2011 at 7:49 am

I don't care so much about the light bulbs. What can McNerney do about the lack of parking spaces outside my gym?


Posted by Incandescence Lives!, a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Jul 12, 2011 at 8:30 am


Brought to you by another screaming global warming group:

"The Natural Resources Defense Council, a leading environmental advocacy group, said Americans' energy costs would be reduced by an average of 7 percent, or about $85 per household per year, and the country would save more than $12.5 billion annually by 2020, when the new standards are fully implemented."

Dude! Give me back my country! Power to the Incandescent People Forever!


Posted by TP, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 12, 2011 at 8:30 am

He hates America and wants to turn it into Australia.


Posted by Joe, a resident of Siena
on Jul 12, 2011 at 8:31 am

The answer to the question is rather obvious IMHO: McNerney will vote "no" on the bill to stop the light bulb mandate. It is a typical lib dream for exactly the reasons you noted. People are making "funny" comments about this, but that just shows that you don't comprehend what this light bulb mandates means to our freedom. Will it end the world? No, of course not. However, today it is light bulbs...what will it be tomorrow? When the government can mandate what type of TOILET you use in your home, something is wrong! I have been growing more and more concerned in recent years as to what is happening to our great country. I am now losing sleep over it, because I can clearly see what is going on but the masses can not. For reasons that I fail to comprehend, people are not understanding how serious this situation is. America is the greatest country that the planet has EVER seen. We are a miracle. Sure, there are things wrong...but so much is right. I think that liberals are snide, arrogant, ignorant, and have no clue how great this country is and why something like light bulb legislation is so important. I don't know what to do anymore. I see our country falling apart and it turns my stomach. I see elected officials like Obama and McNerney and I get a pain in my heart because they are so incredibly ignorant of what makes America so special. I'm at a loss for words..I truly am.


Posted by Whoosh!, a resident of Dublin
on Jul 12, 2011 at 8:43 am

Yes, exactly. Today our incandescent light bulbs, tomorrow our portapotties and septic systems. Do they really think that our oceans and soil and wildlife and drinking water are more important than the right to squat wherever one wants? I can't find words to describe the heartburn and sleepless, clogged up nights this has caused me.


Posted by dknute, a resident of Birdland
on Jul 12, 2011 at 8:44 am

The snide remarks from the Left make you proud to be an elderly American who won't be around to see the fall of America due to the riduculous arogant moves being made in the Democratic Party today. The Light Bulb is but the tip of the iceberg. And, the 'funny' remarks will come to haunt those of you that are under the age of, say 45. Your old age will be a nighmare. And you will be working well into your old age......Now, is it still funny?


Posted by Edison, a resident of Amador Estates
on Jul 12, 2011 at 8:52 am

Joe from Siena...
I echo your comments. The snide remarks of liberals who just don't realize that every day our democrat congress at the State and Fed level (yes, and RINOs too) take away our individual freedoms...yet the libs don't seem to care.

It is the "boiled frog syndrome."

And to HummerSteve (above)...last time I checked, stoplights are not an individual consumer item. Or do you shop in "BigGovernment R Us?" Your argument is illogical...but is consistent with democrat talking points.

By the way, add to our list of DEMOCRAT-MANDATED consumer items is OBAMACARE.

Where is the constitutionality of all these Federally-required consumer purchases?

Americans are now witnessing a war between DEMOCRATS VS. THE U.S. CONSTITUTION!



Posted by Teacher, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 12, 2011 at 8:53 am

Viewing a carwreck of ideational confusion, presented with so many misspelled words, is never a funny matter.


Posted by AL., a resident of Downtown
on Jul 12, 2011 at 9:10 am

Has any body noticed, C.F.L. Bulbs do not work with timers, Amazing that nobody figured that out before approving them.


Posted by Edison, a resident of Amador Estates
on Jul 12, 2011 at 9:14 am

Note Article in the Pleasanton Patch...

"Area Stores Begin to Clear Shelves of Incandescent Light Bulbs"
Web Link

Excerpt:
The ordinary incandescent light bulb will be a relic of the past sooner than you may think. The combination of Congress requiring increased bulb efficiency by 2014 and the closure of America's last incandescents factory last September in Winchester, Va., delivered the final blow.

Stores like Giant, Lowes and Target in the Beacon Hill Shopping Center are clearing out their stock of incandescent bulbs, and there is no shortage of buyers. Stores are making room for an improved compact fluorescent light (CFL) bulb selection featuring different colors and dimming ability. Be prepared to see the incandescent disappear from stores before the year is out.


Posted by TP, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 12, 2011 at 9:20 am

It makes me sick, turns my stomach, and makes me dizzy! The liberals are trying to turn America into Brazil! They took away my right to put leaded gas in my SUV. They forced me to use a catalitic converter against my will. Liberals invented the smog myth so that they could take away my freedoms and make America like Mexico. When will it stop? Where does the constitution let them take away my right to leaded gas? This light bulb thing is the same.


Posted by Craig F., a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 12, 2011 at 9:22 am

Since he is a left wing-nut, my guess is Loony McNerney will vote with the rest of the left wing-nuts. That is especially likely since Queen Pelosi will likely do the vote dictating as the wing-nut in chief.

The left wing-nuts want to dictate everything to you, including the composition of the TP that you use to wipe your a**.

Get smart! Vote out the left wing-nuts. The longer they're in, the more of your freedoms you lose.


Posted by TP, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 12, 2011 at 9:28 am

And I should also mention all the jobs that are being destroyed by the light bulb ban. It isn't just freedom. That is bad enough. It is also jobs.


Posted by Barbara, a resident of Livermore
on Jul 12, 2011 at 12:03 pm

You need to read the EPA web site on the procedures to follow when cleaning up a broken CFL!! OMG........


Posted by John, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 12, 2011 at 12:15 pm


CFL's work fine with timers at my house. I don't know what's going on at yours.

CFL's contain less mercury than is emitted into the air by a coal fired power plant to power an equivalent incandescent bulb.

We banned leaded gas. Did that take away your freedom? We banned fluorocarbons, did that take away your freedom? We banned DDT because it was killing off the Bald Eagles. Did that take away your freedom? We ban the emission of poisons into our drinking water. Does that take away your freedom to poison your neighbors' water?

A light bulb is just a light bulb. It is not the beginning of dictatorship. Choosing or requiring a more efficient light bulb reduces our dependency on fossil fuels. There's plenty wrong with the way this country is run, but complaining about your light bulbs only reveals how dim your light is to start with...


Posted by Bill, a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Jul 12, 2011 at 12:34 pm

AL - I think you meant "dimmer" not "timer". Typical CFL will not work with a dimmer.

LED light bulbs are on the horizon. 16 watt LED replaces a 100 watt incandescent. Same color and apperance. Initial cost is very expensive, but over the life of the light bulb, LED will be less costly as the operating life span is greater then 20,000 hours. Companies that will manufacture these LED bulbs are USA companies. LEDs do not have the negative environmental impact that CFLs have (mercury).

Another issue with incandescent light bulbs is the tungsten that is used to make the filament. Tungsten is getting harder to obatain and usually has to be purchased from a country that does not look favorabley on the United States. When an incandescent light goes out, the tungsten filiament has broken, in other words vaporized. No chance to recycle.


Posted by Hummer Steve, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 12, 2011 at 12:34 pm

Dear John,
You're darn tootin' the tsunami of incandescents is an unsustainable incursion against my right to be free. The left-wing loons started this whole business with traffic lights. Then came regulation of septic systems. Overly strict pollution standards put my Hummer out of business. Now incandescents which is the worst tyrannical imposition by the Obama administration since the tax on tanning salons.


Posted by mooseturd, a resident of Pleasanton Valley
on Jul 12, 2011 at 12:35 pm

mooseturd is a registered user.

More efficient light bulbs are a nice application of technology. If you don't like it light a candle.

More efficient light bulbs cost jobs alright. The jobs are changing light bulbs.


Posted by Joe, a resident of Ruby Hill
on Jul 12, 2011 at 12:48 pm

I have an excellent idea...the PW should find an anger management therapist, one who is completely and totally sympathetic to every individual right you could ever think of, you know, like the right to blue lightbulbs, or green eggs and ham, leaded gasoline and catalytic converters, to post their ad at the top of the PW home page and hopefully, for our sakes, your HMO or PPO will cover the expense. Seriously, where do some of you people come from?


Posted by Jersey Jimmy, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 12, 2011 at 12:51 pm

This is serious, Joe. You shouldn't make light of the matter. Why should my septic system have to worry about your ground water? It's all liberal loony leftwingnuts imposing a guilt trip on us rational ones.


Posted by M., a resident of Downtown
on Jul 12, 2011 at 4:07 pm

M. is a registered user.

Have any of you who are so up in arms even bothered to learn about this law? It does not ban incandescent light bulbs in any way. Incandescent bulbs simply will be required to be more efficient, which many have already become and are in compliance with the law in question, which by the way G.W. signed into law back in 2007 in case you have forgotten. Additionally just head over to Home Depot or wherever you do your light bulb shopping and you will see for the same price as always more efficient incandescent light bulbs witch are fully in compliance with the new efficiency standards already for sale from Philips, G.E., Sylvania, etc...

This entire political melodrama has nothing to do with "personal freedom" or any other buzz word. It is nothing more than a fear mongering PR stunt designed to rile up a certain segment of the population in order to get them behind a particular political group. The sad thing is that no more than ten minutes or research, or even reading the text of the law would show you that there is no so called ban anywhere in the law and would stop this ludicrous battle over imaginary assaults on freedom and liberty, and yet here we are...

M.


Posted by Joe, a resident of Ruby Hill
on Jul 12, 2011 at 4:42 pm

M. Don't know if you caught the NPR piece on this yesterday which expressed your exact thoughts. I'm assuming that the tea cups/individual liberties on steriods group were listening to RL who also spewed a lot of hot, inaccurate, air on the subject in the last few days to incite the crowd. Thank you for sharing a few hard facts on the subject.


Posted by b, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 12, 2011 at 6:01 pm

It is always refreshing to come to this forum and see that this nation's important issues are being debated.


Posted by Yet Another Teacher, a resident of Hart Middle School
on Jul 12, 2011 at 11:19 pm

I don't find this discussion of light bulbs to be very illuminating.


Posted by Lefty, a resident of Downtown
on Jul 13, 2011 at 6:24 am

Bing! The realization of the idiocy of the right-wing posters here just switched on like a light bulb. Asking them to read a little is a bit too strenuous a task for them, don't you think?


Posted by Dusty, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 13, 2011 at 6:28 am

My hunch is that Edison and the other geniuses all lathered up on this topic have some investments in companies that have continued to make inefficient light bulbs. Just goes to show you how they'll frame arguments not for the sake of the country and its citizens but, a la all good possessively individualistic capitalists, only for the sake of their own pocketbooks. A pathetic lot they are, the whole crew of them.


Posted by Joe, a resident of Siena
on Jul 13, 2011 at 7:00 am

I just checked back in here after posting my comment yesterday. The one positive thing that I see is that there ARE people out there who understand this issue and are just as concerned as I am. That is a breath of fresh air! Maybe there is hope after all, and that enough of the country is waking up and realizing the dangers we face.

I see America as sort of being like Venezuela was a few years ago. It was a beautiful, peaceful, democrat nation. But Hugo Chavez came along with his "hope and change" and the sheep looked at him with awe, with that dumb "Obama smile" that I see in crowds when our president speaks. There are so many people out there who just don't get it. I continue to run out of words because all of this is so upsetting. We are doomed if we can not get things under control again and out of the hands of liberals.


Posted by Joe is right!, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 13, 2011 at 7:16 am

Of what consequence is the environment when I'm forced to pay a higher price for my light bulbs? Hey, Joe, I'm one of those out there just like you. I'm ignorant, too. There's a lot of us out here. PS Joe, please disregard the facts that have been posted here. It's all about what you believe. We need to believe what we want to believe. Facts? Must be a left-wing loony conspiracy, right?


Posted by dublinmike, a resident of Dublin
on Jul 13, 2011 at 9:34 pm

dublinmike is a registered user.

Hey Joe, "I see America as sort of being like Venezuela was a few years ago. " Please move there. G Need a second choice? move to Cuba so you can get a real flair for dictatorship. et a taste real oppressiveness. We do not need negative, pessimistic people like you.

I call you people "Tories." Please, move back to England.


Posted by Hummer Steve, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 14, 2011 at 9:06 am

I just don't get it! The tyrannical lefties want me to care about the plight of seniors, children, the disabled. Where in the Constitution of Independence does it say it have to do this? Making it a law means my liberty is less important than some senior receiving advanced medical care or some kid having breakfast to eat in the morning. What don't they understand? My only duty is to take care of me. Sometimes I think it would be best to live under a third world tyrannical dictatorship like pre-Chavez Venezuela than to live here. I don't think they slap excessive taxes on tanning salons in Nicaragua.


Posted by steve, a resident of Parkside
on Jul 14, 2011 at 9:43 am

The elitists in our midst always know (and mandate) what's best for us so we don't have to think for ourselves. We obedient, willing lemmings must go along with the the latest proclamation from our duly elected experts on all things impacting our lives.
No, we can't allow the masses to choose for themselves, even if they want to, becasue we know what's good for them and everyone else. Fall in line and comply---dissenters will be 'corrected'.


Posted by Ellen, a resident of Beratlis Place
on Jul 14, 2011 at 2:00 pm

Right, Steve. What right does the majority and its elected reps have to legislate laws on our behalf? I mean, c'mon! If I want to burn leaves everyday on my front lawn, why should I submit to the 'correctors'. If I want to dump my old car oil into the sewer in front of your house, why should I submit to the 'correctors'. We're Americans, and so we should be able to do whatever we want. It's our God-given right to pollute our environment if we want. The idea of limiting light bulbs to 30% more efficiency is almost too unAmerican to stomach.


Posted by uncle edddy, a resident of Parkside
on Jul 14, 2011 at 9:27 pm

First they came for our incandescent light bulbs. Then they insisted on removing asbestos from our walls. Then they prohibited smoking of freedom torches in restuarants and bars. Then they removed tin foil pipes from the shelves. I can't sleep at night. When is it going to end?


Posted by estevio, a resident of Parkside
on Jul 15, 2011 at 3:29 pm

Their going to have to rench my freedom torch from my cold dead hand.


If you were a member and logged in you could track comments from this story.

Post a comment

Posting an item on Town Square is simple and requires no registration. Just complete this form and hit "submit" and your topic will appear online. Please be respectful and truthful in your postings so Town Square will continue to be a thoughtful gathering place for sharing community information and opinion. All postings are subject to our TERMS OF USE, and may be deleted if deemed inappropriate by our staff.

We prefer that you use your real name, but you may use any "member" name you wish.

Name: *

Select your neighborhood or school community: *

Comment: *

Verification code: *
Enter the verification code exactly as shown, using capital and lowercase letters, in the multi-colored box.

*Required Fields

Preserving Disorder
By Tom Cushing | 68 comments | 1,936 views

Bi-Polar Disorder
By Roz Rogoff | 25 comments | 1,659 views

The drought drives lawmakers to action
By Tim Hunt | 12 comments | 1,370 views