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on Jul 8, 2011
I agree completely. Something needs to be done about this noise. It ruined what would have been a pleasant evening with my family last week. If noise ordinances are on the books, we need to enforce them. If noise ordinances aren't on the books, we need to write them.
Yes, I often sit in a restaurant on Main and when a motorcycle comes by I just can't eat anymore food because of the deafening sound. I mean I just freeze, get catatonic, melt with non-action. I came for complete silence and those darn motorcycles ... well they're plain rude. And then there's the planes, the delivery trucks, hot rods, and oh yes, the noisy music and the people in the next table ... blah blah blah ... I mean what do these people think ... that we're in a social setting or something. I say ban humanity from restaurants, and civilization must be at least 10 miles from where I eat. I say we need isolation chambers when we eat. And please do not pour my wine so loud ... I can't stand it.
Excuse me ... I forgot to mention babies crying on the street, people walking by, couples holding hands (they're the worst because they blink more than us normal people who love complete silence in social settings) ... and then those cooks in the back, they're terrible (and their mostly Hispanic ... that makes it double-trouble) and then there's normal cars, and noisy cars, and ... I can't stand it ... Jake is right ... we have to stop this noise pollution that goes on in the middle of our prestigious retail center that's suffering from not having enough people. We need less people ... in fact just those people who like COMPLETE SILENCE. And they have to be rich too. And white or extremely well-off Asians. Okay, Inida Indian's if and only if they own an electronics firm.
Jake ... you're my hero. Let's start an action committee right now. I'm ready to go. Oh and thank you for letting me addendum my first post. I just couldn't keep my hostility about noise pent-up inside.
To "Mellow Fellow",
Sorry if you think you have a right to make all the noise you want, but cars and motorcycles have mufflers for a reason. We also have have noise regulations for a reason. Put a working muffler on your motorcycle and have some consideration for others or be prepared to pay the fine.
Mellow Fellow, I agree! I can see... but deaf. The vibration from those bikes mix my meals into mush, blend my White Russian into whip cream and and make my mother-in-law not want to visit Pleasanton again. Sign me up for the action committee.
Pete! Glad to have you aboard! We'll clean this town up yet!
I love seeing and hearing the motorcycles downtown, leave them alone. My kids love it when they ride by, and our family has no ojections. Also, if I want a quiet dinner, I get a table inside. Just a thought.
Maybe get rid of the bicycles...they are dangerous. While sitting outside, eating at Cafe Main, I actually saw a bicyclist cause a motorcyclist to go down! The guy on the bike ignored the street sign and the guy on the motorcycle fell as he avoided hitting the bicyclist!
I don't enjoy the motorcycle noise any more than I enjoy the car fumes, but it's part of living in a city. I actually find all the motorcycles lined up outside Tullys charming. I prefer this over rural living myself.
I agree Julie. Bicycles are out! Who cares if they reduce the CO2 footprint. They're noisy too. Have you ever heard one of them breathe after biking 30 miles? OMG!
I'll ignore the snide comments about motorcycles and say this: I have seen groups of motorcyclists rev their motors in unison, making it impossible to even carry on a conversation inside a restaurant with windows and doors closed.
There's an old saying: Your right to swing your fist ends where my nose ends.
The right of others to make a sustained, disruptive noise in a public place ends where my ears begin.
I don't think motorcycles should be banned, but I do think the police should enforce existing noise ordinances. People who want to have a quiet dining experience at restaurants have every right to do so. If the motorcyclists muffled their vehicles properly and didn't rev their motors in unison, they wouldn't be bothering anybody.
Movie theatres don't allow people to yak on their cell phones during a movie. Other people pay to see and hear the movie, not hear someone else's phone conversation. When I pay for a meal in downtown Pleasanton, or anywhere else, I want to have my meal with a reasonable expectation of quiet.
By the way, never seen the motorcyclists actually BUY anything in downtown Pleasanton. If they like downtown so much, why don't they shop or dine there?
My post was meant to be mildly sarcastic too, although I do take issue with (bi)cyclists who think they don't need to obey street signs. The poor motorcyclist was still gathering himself and his bike together long after the cyclist rode off. It was obvious that a part(s) of the motorcycle was broken. The guy on the bike was at fault & had he also been on a motorized vehicle would have been required to stay at the scene and exchange info, etc. Instead, since he was "just on a bike" he rode off. Personally, I don't think that's fair. He caused the accident and should have paid for the damage to the motorcycle.
If the motorcycle noise is truly an issue, perhaps the restaurant manager should go out and request that the "revving" stop and write down plate numbers if they don't comply. I have also heard motorcycle noise, but it doesn't usually last very long.
YAT said: "I'll ignore the snide comments about motorcycles and say this: I have seen groups of motorcyclists rev their motors in unison, making it impossible to even carry on a conversation inside a restaurant with windows and doors closed."
Yeah, it sort of reminds me of people driving down streets with loud rap music booming from their car speakers. Is the music (noise) really for their own enjoyment - or is it just a way to try to get themselves noticed? I was downtown today getting an ice cream and saw a motorcyclist going down the main street and (unnecessarily) revving his engine a few times as he coasted down the street. He was there and gone, so it wasn't a bother to me but I can understand how people can get annoyed with the downtown motorcyclists because I'm sure that a lot of the noise they make really isn't necessary.
There's not a thing wrong with a healthy-sounding motorcycle passing by. Call me sentimental, but it brings me back to when I was a college kid trying to save money on gas so I could afford books and beer. Sustained high levels of noise without good or necessary purpose, on the other hand, cause me to feel embarrassed for the ones who make it, especially if it's the result of mid-life or elder crisis.
No one seems to mind once the loud bikes get parked and we start spending our money in all the downtown shops.
Amazing complaints about noise when I see people making U turns in the middle of the street downtown and cars rushing through STOP signs giving no regard to people in crosswalks....even police cars do it. Just sit in Strizzi's and count cars rolling through.
Let's get back to the heart of the matter... "I propose that a law should be passed saying motorcycles should not be allowed on Main Street." Richard Nicholas. Let's add a law that no noisy kids or dogs be allowed downtown as well! Let's not stop there... Fire trucks and police cars cannot use their sirens. While I'm dining no looking at me through the window. No loud music on First Wednesdays. No cheering while watching a ballgame on the big screen. Let's go all the way... NO TALKING. Everyone be quiet on Main Street! Perfect now I can eat in peace! vroom vrooooooooom!
The reductio ad absurdum argument is insufficient because it allows only an all-or-nothing solution.
The concept of reasonable limits would be much more flexible.
In the case of the Main Street Senior Citizens' Motorcycle Club, it's more of an embarrassment than an annoyance; but I'd think their age and experience would allow the members to recapture the youthful joy of biking while contributing to society by setting an example for safe riding and consideration for others.
I think that what annoys a lot of people about the motorcyclists is not just the noise itself. If, say, there is a noisy child at a restaurant but the parents of the child appear to recognize that the noise is bothering others and are making their best effort to deal with the situation, I think that most people would sympathize with the parents. If, on the other hand, the parents appear to be ignoring the problem and give the impression that they couldn't care less how much the noise is bothering others, then people around get a bit more upset. So it's not just the noise. It's the attitude. And the motorcyclists downtown give the attitude that they just don't care if their noise is bothering others when they do things like unnecessarily rev their engines loudly. I think that that bugs a lot of people more than the actual noise level.
Banning bikes downtown? wow how many businesses will lose money? If you are going to ban them, what about noisy cars in town for good guys?
How about opening up a doughnut shop, ice cream parlor and a pharmacy at the fairgrounds and making it an elder rev zone?
Why not close Main Street off to all but pedestrian traffic?
Thoughts of saying anyone or any legal vehicle should be band on Main st. is got to be the worst idea I have seen on this blog yet (and there have been some pretty ridiculous ones). How can you say where someone can ride or drive anything?
I do agree with one other post though and that is the one that said "you do not complain when they open their wallets." Leave them alone, they have the right to be where ever it is legal to ride.
With that said, they should use some common courtesy when riding.
What is it with Americans and this "all or none" thing? While I agree that the purposeful "revving" of a bike or group of bikes can be annoying when enjoying our beautiful city, banning them is not the solution. As several other posters mentioned enforcing existing noise level laws is a good place to start. Also, maybe put a sign at areas where bikers park informing them of the noise level laws, and the fines associated with breaking them (like they do for illeagally parking in a handicapped spot). Also, some bikes, like Harley's are designed to be loud, and some older bikes require revving when moving at slow speeds. Being one who enjoys downtown, I have only occasionally been disrupted by motorcycle revving - they have as much right to enjoy downtown as anyone else. The whole thing is EVERYONE needs to be a little more conscious of how their actions/words affects others.
Give 'em a break. These are mostly seniors who couldn't hear their motors if they had mufflers. Funny how bikers used to hang out in bars and now they hang out in yuppie coffee houses.
LOL right on, Carlos. I'm just trying to picture the remake of "The Wild One": "All right boys, drink down them double frappuccinos and let's ride on out of here on our $45,000 customized hogs!" And of course they're all lawyers and CPAs :)
Let me re-phrase my above statement for the motorcyclists on Main Street: "Your right to have your mid-life crisis ends where my ears begin." Go play with your toys somewhere else.
If you ban motorcycles then I think it is only fair that you ban cars playing loud "so called music " also. Only fair right?
YAT said: "Let me re-phrase my above statement for the motorcyclists on Main Street: "Your right to have your mid-life crisis ends where my ears begin." Go play with your toys somewhere else."
Ouch. Isn't that a little harsh? Now I'm starting to feel a bit more sympathetic with the bikers. I don't want to see them go away. They're a fixture on main street and it wouldn't feel the same without them. But, yeah, I enjoy seeing the motorcycles there, not so much hearing them.
"Your right to have your mid-life crisis ends where my ears begin."
"And the motorcyclists downtown give the attitude that they just don't care if their noise is bothering others when they do things like unnecessarily rev their engines loudly. I think that that bugs a lot of people more than the actual noise level."
Now we are getting to the heart of the matter. I hope people don't take this the wrong way but the unnecessary revving and noise making just seem to me like announcing the rider's mid-life crisis to the world. It is kind of like putting sticker on the bike that says "I NEED VIAGRA".
I am an avid motorcyclist and Pleasanton resident for for 28 years.
And although I am disappointed at some fellow motorcyclists making a racket and giving us all a bad rep, I dont think banning bikes from Main Street is the answer.
The answer, I think, is simple.
Pleasanton Police should issue a few tickets to those motorcylists who make excessive noise (revving, etc). The motorcycle community is a very tight knit community, word will get around very fast: come to Pleasanton, but quietly!
The revving of my motorcycle engine is the sound of freedom. And in case you haven't noticed, my boys and me make sure the town is liberated from entitlement groups who don't look like you and me and if not for us free-MIA flag-wavers would otherwise come into town and whoop it up by dangling their entitlement checks in front of our noses. Next time you hear me and my boys revving up, look around and see how many 'don't belong here's' there are on the sidewalks. Get my point? Instead of criticizing, you should be saluting us with your hands over your hearts.
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