unregistered comments on Castlewood union protests Comments on Stories, posted by yet another resident, a resident of the Country Fair neighborhood, on Jun 24, 2011 at 11:17 pm
Just thought I'd start a thread that doesn't require registration. Unions, and sympathizers, like to try to intimidate, in whatever way they think they can. My comment is this: "Wei-Ling Huber, president of UniteHere local 2850, which represents the workers, told the crowd that during the last year, Castlewood Country Club has spent three times as much as it would have paid the workers, the money going for lawyers, security and the new staff brought in by the club." Need I say more? It is always about money. So if CCC spent 3 times more - then they must have realized that in the long run they are saving themselves and their clients money. Duh. Read the papers - Greece comes to mind. People in the streets - what's so different here? It's all the same stuff going on around the world. Bravo CCC for standing up to it. I don't play golf or do the country club thing - but if people want to do that, and pay for it - then be thankful for the jobs they create in doing so, instead of criticizing them. This union business has mutated into yet another entitlement - talk about greed - it's called union greed. i don't like "corporate greed" either, but this isn't any better, and definitely not "sustainable".
Posted by Right on both .counts, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Jun 25, 2011 at 8:56 am
!!! that web link is scary. Yes, sadly the outsiders who come here, study in our schools, then proceed with wanting to change what made our country great in the first place. They don't fully grasp the concept of individual freedom, which means you have the right to study, exell and strive forward to the degree you choose. If not, you have the right to lag behind. But far too many of them fall under the spell of the socialist mentality like SEIU... all share equally... at the BOTTOM. But no, they think they are all worthy of being rocket scientists. They'll never make, and certainly are NOT ENTITLED just because they are here, or just because they PROTEST....that will earn you nothing. When in America, learn that different skills have different values...group protests and demands entitle you to nothing special. That's for other countries...which you are welcome to go try. IF you choose to be in America, you will live by the American standards of earning to the level of your SKILLS LEARNED.....want or need have nothing to do with amount of pay. America is special and different and we have ZERO desire to be like other countries. Outsiders often want all the goodies in America they've heard about, ...then proceed to change it to be more like the countries they left because they were offered nothing. We are decendants of people who were proud to be Americans, and ask nothing FROM America except the right to work up to higher skilled, higher paid opportunities as individuals.
Posted by andrew, a resident of the Canyon Oaks neighborhood, on Jun 26, 2011 at 6:47 am
Maybe owners should bring back the Pinkertons to bash a union head or two. Or like they do in U.S.-owned companies in East: machine guns at every door to ensure discipline. Or like they do in U.S.-owned companies in Mexico where union organizers are disappeared. The unions have just accomplished way too much in this country and we have to show them who's boss -- especially the immigrants.
Posted by yet another resident, a resident of the Country Fair neighborhood, on Jun 26, 2011 at 8:20 am
Thank you Andrew for your comments. This is exactly what I'm talking about - this is how close we are to being Greece. Just 4 comments away. A business tries to survive in tough economic times, and violence is threatened, because employees don't think anything should change for them. Ever. Doesn't make you want to hire anyone, does it? Ever.
Posted by Leland, a resident of the Happy Valley neighborhood, on Jun 27, 2011 at 6:33 am
I'll hire anyone. But once they start trying to organize around principles like human rights, a living wage, or workplace safety, then yes, Greece is right around the corner. At this point I bring in the Pinkertons to show a little muscle, if ya know what I mean. No unions at my company. That's what my daddy always said, and he'd bash heads to prove it.
We need to abolish minimum wage. There's no reason why any worker can't live on 3 dollars an hour. Let them scrimp and save and get off their potato chips. I have nightmares about Greece every night. It's liberty we need, not social welfare needs. I ought to be free to pay my workers One Dollar an hour if I want. I ought to be able to hire only good white workers if I want. And women? Forget about it. We're going to Greece in a handbasket.
Posted by steve, a resident of the Parkside neighborhood, on Jun 27, 2011 at 9:47 am
Congratulations, Leland. You've managed to sarcastically use all of the liberal talking points in defense of the indefensible. Try addressing the subject seriously if you have a position you can defend.
This struggle for power and the union's territorial struggle is truly sad to watch, both for the workers who are pawns in the unions attempt to be relevant and the patrons who want to continue to do business with the CCC. Time to move on---the unions have lost this battle already--they just won't admit it---yet. This will die quietely very soon...........
Posted by Steve, a resident of another community, on Jun 27, 2011 at 3:19 pm
I wish to set the record staight. The union are not and have not told the truth to the employee's. I am one of the bartender's that worked at Casltewood for 17 years and was treated well by all Castlewood members. I am the one that tried to De-Certificated the Union, because I was trying to save our jobs. I did lose the election vote because the union told the employees lies and paid them $200.00 each to keep the union. The union said they would be back to work within two months after the vote. Well is been 16 months and counting. What most people should know the health and welfare the the union said they were fighting for are not true. When we lost our health coverage we could take Cobra coverage where we pay 35% and the goverment pays 65%. The coverage for my wife and I was about $1,100.00. I pay $323.00 per month the goverment picks up the balance. Only three Employee's sign up for Cobra. This coverage was 15 month and this now ending. The family member for the union need coverage why did they sign up for it. There is so much more I wish I could tell you. People will pick me apart but I stand-By everything I have done. Steve proud to serve the Castlewood Members.
Posted by yet another resident, a resident of the Country Fair neighborhood, on Jun 27, 2011 at 11:02 pm
As both Steves point out, the real victims are the employees who are duped into thinking the union is on their side. They had good jobs at CCC, especially by recession standards, but the union reps convinced them they could get more ("greed"). And they lost their jobs. These are probably moms and dads who lost their means of support for their families because a union convinced them to trust them. What did the union reps lose? Probably nothing significant. I keep hearing the same sarcastic crap that U.S.-owned companies are rotten, caring nothing for the worker. Really? If you insist on being simplistic (sarcasm does not reflect intelligence - in case you're thinking it does) - then I guess we should say unions don't care if members lose their jobs, since sometimes that happens when union reps get involved?
And thank you Steve and Steve for reminding ME who the real victims are. It is shameful.
Posted by Leland, a resident of the Happy Valley neighborhood, on Jun 28, 2011 at 6:04 am
Human rights, a decent living wage, workplace safety --- these are nothing but liberal/communist talking points that we should have abolished long ago. All kiss-up bartenders have every right to renunciate their expectation to be treated with respect in the workplace. All kiss-up bartenders have the right to pursue the lowest wage they can earn --- this as a principled anti-greed position. All kiss-up bartenders have the right to make the bars they work in as unsafe as humanly imaginable. All kiss-up bartenders have the right to sell their fellow workers down the river as a matter of loyalty to the rich who employ them. Thanks to all the anti-communist/socialist posters here who are trying to make us more free. Your making a real difference.
Posted by Leland, a resident of the Happy Valley neighborhood, on Jun 28, 2011 at 7:16 am
Thanks for the encouragement, Chris. Before my Daddy passed he made me a great deal of money, and my job now is to make sure nobody takes that money away from me. The way I see it, some people (like you and me) deserve a life of splendored liesure, others are destined to be impoverished, to die young, and to see their kids die young. It is God's plan, and nature keeps us honest. Those who would seek to overturn God's will and the GOP's plans by irresponsible protesting are doing the devil's work. We cannot afford to sustain such behaviors and the liabilities they "produce". (My money produces; these protesters don't produce anything.)
Posted by chemist, a resident of the Downtown neighborhood, on Jun 28, 2011 at 8:54 am
There are quite a few right-to-work states in the US: those states have the highest employment, highest wages, and happiest workers. Unions need to be relics of history. There are thousands of people out of work and hundreds of people who would love to work at Castlewood - why can't they be hired?
Posted by Jimbo, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Jun 28, 2011 at 9:05 am
SEIU, and the other big unions, are the major contributor to bankrupting California. The only way we are going to turn things around is to vote out the Democracts because the unions own them. The unions say jump, and Gov. Moonbeam and the Democrats in the Legislature say "how high and how soon". Vote wisely in 2012. The unions have bankrupt the auto industry, the steel industry, the shipping industry, the railroads, and the textile industry; and they have raised the price of a hotel stay, conventions, construction and government to outrageous levels. Trimming union clout is goint to be essential if this country is ever going to be competitive in the global economy.
Posted by Marie, a resident of the Castlewood neighborhood, on Jun 28, 2011 at 1:32 pm
The sit in on Thursday morning is such a waste of tax payers dollars. If you started a fire on the ridge you would be billed for the costs to fight that fire, why not bill Unitehere2850 for all the costs associated with the sit in? So many areas have budgets cut and then to waste money on a sit in!!!
Posted by Yet Another Teacher, a member of the Hart Middle School community, on Jun 28, 2011 at 6:33 pm
A fire on a ridge is an act of arson, a criminal act.
While trespassing in an act of civil disobedience is also a crime punishable by law, it's...
Aw, never mind. If you can't see the difference between arsonists and union demonstrators, I have no hope of explaining it to you.
Marie: Would you like to retroactively bill all the civil rights demonstrators of the 1950s and 1960s for the police costs associated with those marches and sit-ins? Many of the original demonstrators are still alive. Dr. King was murdered, but maybe you can sue his children for the money, with interest compounded daily.
Lots of good ideas percolating on the P-Weekly! Smash the unions, criminalize civil disobedience, it goes on and on.
Posted by Sal, a resident of the Downtown neighborhood, on Jun 28, 2011 at 9:03 pm
You have to love the conservative, frat-boy mentality of the golfers. They sure seemed to have a blast mocking the protesters. One golfer even pretended to swing his club in protesters. Stay classy Pleasanton!
Posted by Observer of Dublin, a resident of Dublin, on Jun 29, 2011 at 12:38 am
To be honest with you, I had a great time last Thursday!! The Union should have demonstrations like that one, at least once every two weeks and at the end we should have a lunch in the club's parking lot. To be honest with all the members of Castlewood Country Club, you haven't see nothing yet. I love when Unions get mean. Did you see the video of the events? www.endthelockout.org and if you go to the Facebook area you should be able to see it. You really have to see it, I promise that you are going to love it!!!
Posted by Adolpho, a resident of the Birdland neighborhood, on Jun 29, 2011 at 6:10 am
I too was a bartender at Castlewood. I figured it was my right to kiss up and kick down, and so that's what I did. I figured if I did that I could make myself feel better about me and that my employers would see that I was willing to be like them, no matter what the cost. The union always attempted to counter my efforts to screw over the other bartenders who I'd assign bad hours to. The unions didn't appreciate my freedom as an American to kick down at and kiss up to whomever I please.
Neil Young? Pulease! He was a Ronald Reagan supporter and given his shift to country music I bet he's a Mike Huckabee fan. Kiss up and kick down. This is what made America great. Its the real world and what I teach my kids they'll have to do in our increasingly free market economy. Free to kick down, free to kiss up.
Posted by Adolpho, a resident of the Birdland neighborhood, on Jun 29, 2011 at 10:55 am
I think that Questionable misses the point.... At any rate, I'm certain that he/she likes to kiss up and kick down too. It's fun to kick down on a union composed of bartenders and waitresses, isn't it?
Posted by yet another resident, a resident of the Country Fair neighborhood, on Jun 30, 2011 at 9:10 am
I think the question about how many of the protestors were actually ex-employees is legitimately asked - because there's evidence in this case (from posters here and Web Link)
that the union decided these employees really didn't know what was best for themselves. So I hope the union has found the ex-employees other work if they did indeed make this "big boy" decision for them, and against their wishes. I don't detect that anyone here is questioning people's first amendment rights - especially to "peaceably" assemble. (But of course I can't say what people are thinking). Sounds like since there were a few arrests, some of the picketers didn't realize where they had to draw the line in communicating what they had to say, and that they can't trample on someone else's rights in the process of exercising their free speech rights. I mean, no one is in favor of taking away someone else's right to make a living, are they? The unions aren't, are they?
Posted by Leland, a resident of the Happy Valley neighborhood, on Jun 30, 2011 at 12:01 pm
I'm all for taking away anybody's right to make a living if it violates my pursuit of liberty (by way of making a buck). Where does the Constitution say that people have the right to make a living? Live and let live. Smile, be happy. Be free. But right to make a living? Get off it! Any union effort to rob me of the surplus capital all my workers make for me is going to be met by my effort to tear down that union and all the workers they agitate.
Posted by yet another resident, a resident of the Country Fair neighborhood, on Jun 30, 2011 at 3:29 pm
Try reading - it's amazing what you can learn. e.g. The Right to Earn a Living: Economic Freedom and the Law by Timothy Sandefur. But given that you don't think we have that right, then there's absolutely no point in furthering this "discussion".
Posted by Leland, a resident of the Happy Valley neighborhood, on Jul 1, 2011 at 6:05 am
YAR wants me to read some communist propaganda book. Let me tell you something YAR. I'm rich. I don't have to read anything except my quarterly profit reports. Try reading this recent report out of Northeastern U, you suckers. (And keep complaining about working people -- bartenders and bricklayers agitating for a higher wage -- I LOVE IT!!!)
"In fact, from the time the recession ended in June 2009 until the end of the fourth quarter of 2010, national income grew by $528 billion. But, the report states, 'corporate profits captured 88 percent of the growth in real national income while aggregate wages and salaries accounted for only slightly more than 1 percent.' The rest went to net interest, rental income and proprietors' income."
Posted by Questionable, a resident of the Val Vista neighborhood, on Jul 1, 2011 at 8:35 am
Bravo Leland, I certainly don't stand with the capitalism is evil bunch.
RE: Y.A.R."I mean, no one is in favor of taking away someone else's right to make a living, are they? The unions aren't, are they?"
Of course the union is. Looks at the grandstanding they've done of the issue. It's all muscle flexing by the union, while putting the workers second to the cause. It's greed and the fostering of a sense of entitlement that the protesters are pushing.
It would be a completely different issue if CWCC wasn't meeting state and federal guidelines for healthcare.
Posted by yet another resident, a resident of the Country Fair neighborhood, on Jul 1, 2011 at 9:16 am
Questionable - leland is not being straight here. He's totally sarcastic - trying to use that tactic (talking about his "Daddy") to point out how really selfish and nasty capitalists and those who distrust unions are. He's not someone you can have an honest communication with. Anything that has to do with personal freedoms he calls "communist". I have to admit I fell into the sarcasm trap for a bit when I made the comment about unions not being in favor of taking away someone's rights - sorry. I generally don't play that stupid game.
Posted by Leland, a resident of the Happy Valley neighborhood, on Jul 2, 2011 at 7:57 am
I have money. I admit it. Got it from my Daddy. It does my heart good to see nonunionized workers bashing unionized workers. We need to see more of this, because I'm getting a little uneasy about this talk of taxing my four corporate jets. We need to get back to basics: bashing unions for all its worth while deflecting attention away from income disparities.
I mean, why SHOULDN'T I earn 88% of the increase in nat'l income? Why shouldn't my property rentals earn me more on top of that 88%? I mean, money talks, right? That's what capitalism is. I use my wealth to generate more wealth, and the unionized/nonunionized suckers are left squabbling about the crumbs I leave behind. I'm bursting with American pride just talking about it.
Now about this communism. Give raises to union teachers and they're probably going to spend it at the hardware store for home repair. I'm going to take my 88% cut (plus what I earn from my rentals) and fly off to New Zealand for a well-deserved vacation. I'll take my wealth-generated income and distribute it to New Zealanders and other places around the world. Isn't that what redistributing the wealth is supposed to look like?