Posted by Don't know what you're talking about, a resident of the Amberwood/Wood Meadows neighborhood, on Jun 21, 2011 at 9:59 pm
I'm a teacher and I'm curious where these education majors are in CA. This state has the most difficult credential program out of all of the states. If you do not major in the subject that you are teaching (math, history, science, English), then you have to pass a series of tests that up until a few years ago, had absolutely no prep courses. I teach American history, but had to take 4 tests to show my knowledge in ALL history (world, medieval, American, etc).
Posted by ditto, a member of the Foothill High School community, on Jun 22, 2011 at 8:10 am
I was going to say the same thing as "don't know what you're talking about." I don't know every teacher in our district, but I know many, and I have yet to meet one with a bachelors degree in education.
I'll also add that it's ironic that education degrees are considered easy to get, but a huge percentage of teachers leave the profession by choice within the first few years and by many surveys, teaching is considered one of the most challenging professions.
Posted by Julie, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Jun 22, 2011 at 10:36 am Julie is a member (registered user) of PleasantonWeekly.com
That article is inflammatory and succeeds in doing what much of today's journalism does: potentially incites a "riot".
Please take the time to *analyze* that article. The author has to admit that various "links" are **speculative**. No where does the article PROVE that Education Professors in fact grade easily. The only valid stats may be the ones regarding comparative grade point averages between majors. However, a high average grade point average in Education does not absolutely equal "easy classes" or "easy grading" or "easy teachers". How about education majors work harder or are more dedicated? What about the possibility that the major attracts a certain personality type who strives for good grades and/or has a strong work ethic? My point is that there are many explanations for the data besides simplifying it to: "education is an easy major". The author is capitalizing on the fact that most readers have the analyzing skills of a preschooler.
The one link they tried to make between brains and grades? Using the SAT! Give me a break! First, I resent that test being the "end all" indicator of a person's intelligence. Second, many students take that as a high school junior and yet we compare that test to the work done in *college*. There are many changes that take place between junior year in high school and college!
Let's stop bashing teachers, including spreading inflammatory, poorly written articles about them!
Posted by Not surprised, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Jun 22, 2011 at 11:29 am
"I'm a teacher and I'm curious where these education majors are in CA."
They teach in elementary. Many of the elementary school teachers I have met have degrees in either education or a general liberal arts degree. All of the middle and high school teachers I have met have degrees in the subject they teach or in a similar field. Imo, all teachers should be required to have a degree in some field, whether that is science, history, math, language, etc, even those who teach in elementary.
Right now, the most qualified teachers are in middle and high school, and yet the ones who get all the goodies (half days for parent teacher conferences, csr, help from specialists, etc) are the ones in elementary.
Teachers in the upper grades are the ones who could benefit from time to prepare lessons, grade work. Elementary teachers do not need this. After you have taught say 1st grade for years, tell me what kind of curriculum preparation you need: none, because the work is re-used, and the concepts are just not hard at all.
Posted by Julie, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Jun 22, 2011 at 2:09 pm Julie is a member (registered user) of PleasantonWeekly.com
So, "Not Surprised", how long have you been an elementary teacher? If you say you haven't ever been one, then I will be the one "not surprised".
Obviously many people do not understand the credentials. I will offer a basic explanation. To teach in "elementary" school, a teacher has a "multiple subjects" credential. This credential follows the way most elementary classrooms are taught: multiple subjects in a single classroom (i.e. students do not change rooms for subjects). Why do you suggest an elementary teacher specialize, when s/he is required to teach ALL subjects: math, reading, social science, science, etc? They use their time in college to gain a basic understanding of how to teach *multiple* subjects. A degree in "Education" or "Liberal Studies" makes sense.
To teach in middle or high school, a teacher has a "Single Subject" credential which mirrors how those grades are taught: a single subject in a single classroom (students change rooms to learns different subjects). Here a degree in a specific subject makes sense as the middle/high school teacher will specialize in teaching a single subject.
I don't see how either group is more or less qualified...one group is required to specialize because they teach a specific subject. Btw, having a degree in Educations IS having a degree in "some" field - the field of EDUCATION.
Now to prep time. Older students have longer attention spans and require the prep of fewer lessons; however, those lessons do require more depth than lower grades ergo the need for prep.
Younger students have shorter attention spans. While the younger the student the less "depth" (for lack of a better word - I don't mean to imply these lessons are less important) required for a lesson, there is the need for MORE lessons planned. A 4th grader can work on one lesson for 40 minutes. In kindergarten, there have likely been 2-3 activities planned during that time. Planning activities and lessons takes TIME - whether you are planning many less specific ones or fewer in-depth ones.
Each year there are new students. Yes, ideas are re-used, but all students do not learn the same way and... the materials still need to be prepped for the new group of students.
"Not Surprised", why are you such a "teacher hater"? I bet it's that rampant, basic jealousy about summers off, isn't it? Well, go back to school (if you ever went) for 2-4 years (depending on if you have a bachelor's degree or not) and get YOUR credential! You can learn firsthand what a joy it is to be a teacher with summers off!
Posted by Not surprised, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Jun 22, 2011 at 4:32 pm
I am just stating the facts. You seem to be either a teacher, or have a relative who is a teacher as you passionately defend something that most know is not how you make it sound.
I have a teaching credential since I thought about teaching instead of returning to work in the private sector once my kids were a bit older. I know how easy it is to get these credentials. What is not as easy is to get the degree in the field. But the problem with education majors is that they (some, not all) lack basic math and other basic skills.
I decided not to continue in the teaching deal because I enjoy flex time and working from home more than I thought. But I know what it takes to be a teacher and yes, while working on the credential I did subbing from kindergarten all the way to 12th grade, so I know how easy elementary is and how upper grade teachers (those teaching AP classes and challenging subjects do work very hard and could use
the time for lessons, grading).
My undergrad field is in science and postgrad in math if you are wondering. And yes, I did get hired as a teacher but decided to return to the private sector instead, and it had nothing to do with pay but with the fact that I simply enjoy working from home. I do know what I am talking about, Julie.
Posted by Educated, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Jun 22, 2011 at 6:24 pm
I've taught in the past at multiple levels. Grade school + babysitting. Middle school = baby sitting with tantrum management and parents worrying more about their jobs than their kids. High school = party. College = getting drunk. Now mind you there are a few select students who do good. But, honestly not many. Obviously, my view of teaching = bad attitude. Please don't throw stones.
Posted by Teacher, a resident of another community, on Jun 22, 2011 at 7:56 pm
Not Surprised, you sound like a bitter person that likes to bash educators based solely on your own experience. Maybe you have higher degree(s), but that's not what makes a great teacher, no matter what grade or level. Your comments come off as those of a 1rst grade teacher get's a few years under their belt then they simply come to school, teach, and go home. Do you not realize that they have to attend meetings, record and report to the district certain mandated tests (aside from STAR testing), plan curriculum etc? Curriculum for younger grades has changed drastically since I went to elem school in the 80's. When did you earn your credential? Today's multiple subject credentialed students have to know history from practically the time jesus was born up to present day, have to comprehend all the logistics of elementary mathematics up to statistics, know chemistry, how to read sheet music, physics, etc- go take the cset and then tell us elementary school teachers aren't qualified.
Posted by Julie, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Jun 22, 2011 at 8:31 pm Julie is a member (registered user) of PleasantonWeekly.com
Not Surprised - how do I "make it sound"? What part of what I wrote do you deem inaccurate? And not everything you wrote was "facts". Much of what you wrote was "opinion".
You sound very different from the majority of dedicated teachers I have known or observed. I'm thinking either you were not a very good teacher or perhaps not suited to it. Obviously you were not truly dedicated to it. You stayed home raising your kids and then toyed around with what to do once they were older. You wanted to work at home and so you quit teaching. You only know what you are talking about from what YOU experienced, just as I only know what I am talking about based on MY experiences. I've been in the early child education field for two decades. I design environments and curriculum, and I spend huge amounts of time on lesson plans, assessment, observation, etc. even though I've done it for years. It's an extremely challenging career - not because I lack intelligence or because I'm not educated enough, but because of the nature of the profession.
I have a Bachelor's Degree in Child Development and earned a Multiple Subjects Spanish Bilingual credential that I ended up not using because, like you, I had children to raise and only wanted to work part-time. I have both worked in and volunteered in many elementary schools. I've seen crappy teachers who put forth little effort, but overall the majority of teachers I observed were very dedicated and put a lot of time into their work. It's the same in any industry, it's the same with all people regardless of what their majors are: some people are talented, some are not.
Posted by Not surprised, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Jun 23, 2011 at 9:06 am
We could argue and argue and never agree. You have your views, and I have mine. I believe that teachers should have a degree in a field of substance. I met many teachers with degrees in education, and I was not impressed.
As for the comment about my leaving teaching: I did it because I enjoy having a flexible schedule and work from home, it has nothing to do with pay or my abilities as a teacher or my work ethics. I am not the 8-5 type of person and like to set my own hours. Working in the private sector allows me that flexibility, and no, it is not part time or anything. I work full time and I am quite productive, but I arrange my hours and work from home.
I continue to believe that teachers should be better qualified.
btw, did you see that a new AVHS vice principal has a degree in education? So yes, many in the teaching field have such a degree.
OK, no more posting for me after this. I started a new project today and will consume all my energy, so let me say this one more time:
Education is an easy major. Elementary teachers tend to have that major and are not as qualified as teachers with degrees in fields like science, languages, etc. If we made the teaching requirements tougher (not time wise but knowledge wise), our kids would benefit from it and we would have a better public education system.