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California vs. Texas

Original post made by Cal be gone, Another Pleasanton neighborhood, on Jun 9, 2011

It would be interesting to hear perspectives from CA progressives on this summary of CA vs. Texas. Interesting case study of big vs. small government and which has been more successful in creating economic vitality and jobs these past 10 years. Hint it has been Texas, the small government approach.

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So what example should America follow, that of deficit-slaughtering, budget-cutting, seriously limited government in Texas, which has added 730,000 jobs in the past decade, or that of regulation-happy, spend-mercilessly, owe-everything, flee-this-place-quickly California, which has lost 600,000 jobs during the same period?

While not a hard question in a nation where unemployment recently shot up over 9 percent again and is dramatically expanding its unfunded entitlement promises on top of its accumulating debt, let's continue to look at some astounding facts about Texas after noting a much-repeated analysis of how it got there.

It has no state income tax, low corporate taxes, does just enough regulating to get the job done, cares for the environment without making a fetish of it, lets its legislature meet for a relatively short period just once every two years, keeps the executive branch slim and trim and is a right-to-work state where unions don't get to grab dues through governmental coercion.

Businesses love all that, varied researchers tell us. A number point out that, in 2008, Texas accounted for fully 70 percent of all new jobs created in America, and if you think that's great, which it is, don't suppose this was a one-shot deal. Businesses are reported to rate Texas the single best state in which to operate. Give them a chance and many will pull up stakes from yonder plunder-and-abuse venue and follow the Lone Star to high profits, sharing prosperity and opportunity as they resettle.

Meanwhile, what glitters is definitely not the Golden State. California is faced with a $26 billion deficit, cripples businesses with unconscionable taxes and rules, has dreamt up environmental objectives that in effect are combat tactics against the common good and is faced with a cost of living that is only part of the reason why citizens are deserting the place like the hoards that once upon a time rushed to enjoy its splendor.

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Posted by Maja7
a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on Jun 9, 2011 at 10:05 am

This is only part of the reason why we recently purchased a home in Texas and are moving. Sad for me to say since I was born and raised in Northern California....this state is being run into the ground by the politicians and special interest groups.I wish you well California:)


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Posted by b
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jun 9, 2011 at 3:58 pm

You're talking about Texas? The Texas? The one with the worst schools in the nation? That's your ideal?

You're talking about the Texas that Amazon abandoned, because it was the LEAST friendly sales tax state? Web Link

Oh, and their taxes are low because they have fees, not taxes. Web Link Those don't count, right?!

Surely we're not going to use Texas as an ideal.


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Posted by Part-time
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jun 9, 2011 at 4:49 pm

The fact that Texas added 730,000 jobs, in the same time frame CA LOST 600,000 jobs, should make it clear to the most blind and bullheaded. That's why Gov Brown sent his Lt. Gov Newsom TO Texas to research the situation and HOW they did it.
Part had to be their state legislature by law only meets a few months every TWO years ! ...SO they don't have TIME to write stupid, silly, wrong, destructive, lobbyists and special interest favoring, job killing burdens. CA operated so much better in the 50s & 60s when we didn't have public unions and WE DID have a PART-time legislature....so much better....


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Posted by Cal be gone
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jun 9, 2011 at 5:19 pm

b - It is hard to believe how intellectually dishonest you are on these blogs. No one presented Texas as an ideal. It is simply a state that is doing much better than CA right now and must be studied. Last time I looked, their schools are better, it is cheaper from a tax perspective to live, and they have created many more jobs than most states during this downturn.

CA has been one big progressive experiment these past few decades and what do we have to show for it? One of the most progressive tax systems (which I don't necessarily have an issue with), one of the highest tax states (which I do have an issue with), decrepit infrastructure, overpaid public servants that are starving infrastructure and other investments ... the list is long.

Rather than setting up and knocking down a false ideal, why don't you spend some of your intellectual power defending this vast progressive experiement of CA.

Shame on you for being so dishonest when you give others such a hard time on these blogs.


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Posted by No prop 13
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jun 9, 2011 at 7:03 pm

There is no prop 13 in Texas. Your taxes are about 3%+ and increase with the value of the house (each year the house gets re-appraised and if it has gone up, so will your taxes)

That is a good thing, but for those Californians complaining about taxes.... sure, no income tax but they get you on the property tax (we have a home there and we also own our home here in California)


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Posted by GX
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jun 9, 2011 at 8:13 pm

In considering a move to TX a couple of years ago, I compared the two state tax situation. For our family, the tax burden would be less in Texas.

BTW, it is a myth that Prop 13 has starved the state of revenue. Not true. Since Prop 13, property tax revenue has grown by over 600%, much faster than the baseline of population growth/inflation.

Bottom line, CA is one of the highest tax states with not much to show for it.


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Posted by Jake
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jun 9, 2011 at 9:50 pm

"BTW, it is a myth that Prop 13 has starved the state of revenue. Not true. Since Prop 13, property tax revenue has grown by over 600%, much faster than the baseline of population growth/inflation."

It is not a myth, and that is a biased way to look at it. The bottom line is that there would have been more property tax revenue without proposition 13.

As to Texas versus California, I like both states. Austin is a really nice city. Property taxes are high. To get into a good school district there, you do have to pay quite a bit.


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Posted by Mellow Fellow
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jun 9, 2011 at 11:02 pm

Isn't the weather abysmal???+


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Posted by Old timer
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jun 9, 2011 at 11:19 pm

Always remember Prop 13 and Ca Public Employee UNIONS started the same year. Life was better without the public UNIONS.
Weather??? Texas is so large, there are a dozen different weather conditions at any given moment.
Last month a U-Haul report indicated trailers TO Texas FROM Ca were costly because there was such a huge demand. Trailers from Tex TO CA, were so rare they only charged a minimum service fee...they needed to get them back to CA with anybody coming this way.


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Posted by GX
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jun 10, 2011 at 6:22 am

You are right Jake. There would have been more property tax without Prop 13. I should have said that property tax grew faster than population growth/inflation even with Prop 13.

People may be interested to note that even with the recent decline, total state revenue is 78% greater than baseline (baseline being defined by population growth/inflation). Revenue has grown dramatically faster than what was needed to support our state government. If we had managed our finances prudently, we would have had a surplus to get us through these difficult times rather than continual deficits.

And if anyone cares to challenge me on this, you can do the same analysis with the state's own data:

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Posted by b
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jun 10, 2011 at 6:32 am

Dishonest?! The original poster asked for opinions of progressives. Not only did I provide my opinion, I presented some facts refuting the posters position. Geez, you're touchy.

Which state created the most jobs in the prior ten year period? As I understand it, much of the attrition of population over the past ten years was the result of the loss of dot com and related jobs that were created in the state the prior five years. That's how I'd always heard it explained, until your post. But I'm sure you know better than everyone else.

For my part, I'm quite happy living here. If you think Texas is better for you, go live there. Try it out for awhile. Last I was there, it seemed like a pretty miserable place, and most certainly did not have the vibrant entrepreneurial vibe or upscale comforts of the Bay Area. I know many who have left there because of the awful schools, miserable weather, poverty and crime. But to each their own.


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Posted by sandy
a resident of California Reflections
on Jun 10, 2011 at 9:08 am

Ah Texas, where all parents want their kids to be attending school. Ah, what's better than dust storms and the smell of oil in the air?


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Posted by Maja7
a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on Jun 10, 2011 at 9:52 am

Whatever happened to "to each their own". Thank goodness there are 50 states for us to choose from......I'm outta here and I'm looking forward to our move to Texas. I would hope that people could respect each other's differences! Isn't that what we are supposed to be teaching our children? How can we teach if we don't know it ourselves?


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Posted by Sally Anne
a resident of Birdland
on Jun 10, 2011 at 10:23 am

I teach my children to be able to distinguish differences based upon various criteria: what is a progressive, clean, working-on-diversity and attempting to eliminate racism state vs. regressive, yokel, ignorant, hillbilly racist states that cater to the same. I'm sure you'll find yourself quite at home where you're going. Good bye, and no need to write.


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Posted by Cal be gone
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jun 10, 2011 at 10:55 am

Interesting how progressives can't or won't defend their California crown jewel but instead insinuate the stupidity and moral fabric of those who happen to disagree with them. It is shameful how often they play the race card. It is getting very old ...


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Posted by Jenny
a resident of Golden Eagle
on Jun 10, 2011 at 11:28 am

Yes, indeed. I mean Texas has such an outstanding record on racial matters!

Texas: It takes two days to drive out of it, and then you're in Oklahoma....


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Posted by Cal be gone
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jun 10, 2011 at 12:23 pm

Again all this attack on Texas which was originally highlighted as a state doing better than CA and no acknowledgement of CA issues or debate on what needs to be fixed.

It is amazing to see the progressive distortions on reality or the utter refusal to acknowledge realtiy.

No wonder CA is in such a sorry state and getting worse. Progressives are in charge.


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Posted by steve
a resident of Parkside
on Jun 10, 2011 at 1:23 pm

Cal be gone---as you're finding out with these infantile posters knocking Texas, so-called progressives are like spoiled children. They refuse to defend California because they can't---this is home to the Black Panthers, La Raza, PLO and Hamas sympathizers, etc. Not only are they supporting racists, they are a bunch of whiny hypocrites (sally anne).


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Posted by b
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jun 10, 2011 at 3:34 pm

OK, I'll play along.

California has big problems.

But Texas is most certainly not the solution!


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