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Our wonderful (or not so ) library

Original post made by Mr. Pohami Singh, Birdland, on May 18, 2011

I am appalled that the pages at the Pleasanton library are just temps that receive no benefits and can only work a certain number of hours a year. These Library Pages do more work then many of the other employees of the library and I am always seeing them running back and forth either shelfing books, movies or helping us patrons.

I have heard from other employees that once these pages reach a certain amount of hours (1000 in a fiscal year), they are forced to stop working until the new fiscal year starts which I believe is July (?).

I would like to believe since since our library is one of the busier ones around, that Nelson and the city of Pleasanton make the pages regular permanent employees. Even part time would be better then just allowing them to work a max hour of 1000.

1000 hours in todays world in a year is nothing. come on Pleasanton-have some sympathy for the library pages.

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Posted by a former resident of P-town
a resident of The Knolls
on May 18, 2011 at 1:45 pm

To add insult to injury so to speak, these employees do not get sick time pay, vacation pay or a retirement package.


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Posted by Do not agree
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 18, 2011 at 7:28 pm

Until the problem of pensions is solved, we should not be asking the city to put more employees on pension and benefits!

If the library page employees do not like it, they can always get a different job, one that will compensate them financially the way they think they should be compensated.

Public work is financed by taxpayers, and in case you have not noticed, the funds are not there anymore, and we cannot afford any new employees added to the existing problem of unfunded pensions.

Personally, I think temp workers are a good solution. That way we do not have to pay a lifetime pension and again, if people do not like it they can always get a different, and permanent, job


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Posted by Mary
a resident of Del Prado
on May 19, 2011 at 8:34 am

Do Not Agree ... THANK YOU!


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Posted by maryanne
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 19, 2011 at 8:54 am

shameful


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Posted by WRonSutton
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 19, 2011 at 9:06 am

Given the proximity of senior housing, and my career experience in getting older adults to "use it or lose it, but don't abuse it," I would like to suggest that seniors perform productive tasks in our community, as they do, for example only, at airport information desks. This does nothing to increase paying jobs, which is a real ecin ok mic problem, but is a way to accomplish two other objectives at the same time, do tasks with volunteers, and keep seniors active and engaged.


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Posted by Anti Library Hegemony?
a resident of Downtown
on May 19, 2011 at 9:23 am

Some good-willed soul, called Do Not Agree, claims "If the library page employees do not like it, they can always get a different job, one that will compensate them financially the way they think they should be compensated."

I'd like to state to Do Not Agree the following: "If you find it too burdensome to pay a decent salary for library help, move further out into the sticks where libraries aren't in high demand. You'd feel more comfortable surrounded by the hicks living around you, and you and your kind could sit on your porch and complain about library hegemony until the cows come home.


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Posted by Get real
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 19, 2011 at 10:17 am

Some of you seem to live in a fantasy world. Look at economies like Greece to see what happens when you pay people more than they are worth. It would be nice if all assistants, janitors, etc. could make $200K/year but that would grind the economy to a halt. Remember USSR?

If people don't like what they are being paid, they can always improve their skills via education/etc. and find another job. People don't have a right to a job. They have a right to be compensated for the value they provide. And a well functioning market has proven to be the very best way to determine this value.

But those of you out there who love to spend other peoples' money and believe you are wise/smart enough to out-think market dynamics will for sure have issues with what I state. Thank goodness you are not in a position to make decisions.


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Posted by Aristotle NOT
a resident of Valley Trails
on May 19, 2011 at 10:25 am

Get Real is brilliant. Greece's problem was that it had too many libraries and too many readers. We need less libraries and more free market activity -- like Iceland.


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Posted by Do not agree
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 19, 2011 at 10:25 am

"I'd like to state to Do Not Agree the following: "If you find it too burdensome to pay a decent salary for library help, move further out into the sticks where libraries aren't in high demand. You'd feel more comfortable surrounded by the hicks living around you, and you and your kind could sit on your porch and complain about library hegemony until the cows come home."

Insulting me does not change the fact that the pension problem must be addressed.

Complaining about your job on a forum is pathetic. Most people who do not like their job simply quit and get a new one. You instead go on a forum to complain. It reminds me of the Castlewood workers: instead of getting another job, they spent their time organizing picket lines with union members.

Public work is in need of reform, whether you like it or not. Many jobs in the private sector, which require the skill level of the library page, do not provide the benefits/pay that you seek, so get over it.

Start acting like the rest of us do in the private sector: we get a job, we get paid according to skills, education, experience, and if we don't like it, we get another job.... it is that simple.


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Posted by Winner
a resident of Walnut Hills
on May 19, 2011 at 10:28 am

Indeedy doo, Get Real wants us to trust the free market. I agree. Let's give Wall Street a break and let them carry on with free enterprise capitalism. It's worked so far! What's not to like?


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Posted by Avid Driver
a resident of Castlewood
on May 19, 2011 at 10:36 am

EXACTLY!!!! Thank you "Get real"...this deserves to be re-posted:

Posted by Get real, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, 13 minutes ago

Some of you seem to live in a fantasy world. Look at economies like Greece to see what happens when you pay people more than they are worth. It would be nice if all assistants, janitors, etc. could make $200K/year but that would grind the economy to a halt. Remember USSR?

If people don't like what they are being paid, they can always improve their skills via education/etc. and find another job. People don't have a right to a job. They have a right to be compensated for the value they provide. And a well functioning market has proven to be the very best way to determine this value.

But those of you out there who love to spend other peoples' money and believe you are wise/smart enough to out-think market dynamics will for sure have issues with what I state. Thank goodness you are not in a position to make decisions.


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Posted by Get real
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 19, 2011 at 10:42 am

I'm sure you appreciate that Wall Street is not a free market. In fact, it is one of the best examples we have these days of crony capitalism.

But I'm sure you will continue to bring up such points to obfuscate the bigger issue.

Please so share with us one lasting socialistic model that has worked. And please don't insult my intelligence by bringing up the tired example of scandinavian countries where you conveniently forget to mention that much of their wealth is derived from natural resources.

And of course, you won't bring up the Sweden 1990's example where they essentially defaulted because they ran out of money just like is happening right now with Greece, Portugal, Spain and so many other socialistic countries.

Again, good thing you are not in a position to make decisions.


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Posted by Aristotle, NOT
a resident of Valley Trails
on May 19, 2011 at 10:56 am

Let's see, Greece and Spain and Portugal are SOCIALIST countries.

Sweden is socialist but it is doing so well because it has natural resources.

Capitalism is good.

Wall Street is bad because of its 'crony capitalism'.

I'd cite others, but this is too good to be true, and I don't want to 'obfuscate' matters for Get Real any more than I already have.

Really can't make this stuff up!


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Posted by Eunice
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 19, 2011 at 11:48 am

Get Real,

China is a perfect example. The PRC is a communist country and it is way ahead of the US economically. It has heavily regulated industries and far more government involvement with both the personal lives of its citizens and the inner workings of business. Within the next 5 to 10 years the US economy will be smaller than China's. Seems like they are doing something right.


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Posted by Are you serious?
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 19, 2011 at 11:57 am

Are you serious? You can't be serious.

Maybe you should take a closer look at the gross misallocation of resources in the form of entire cities that are uninhabited.

Maybe you should take a closer look at the dynamic behind the dramatic growth of some of their industries like high-tech. Hint - the government has essentially created free-enterprise zones and stayed out of the way.

Maybe you should take a look at the huge disparity of wealth between the urbanites and rural people.

Maybe you should take a look at the gross violation of human rights.

All they have been able to do is arbitrage low labor rates of their people, almost non-existent environmental laws and a manipulated currency.

Please do tell me you weren't serious with this example?


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Posted by Get real
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 19, 2011 at 12:02 pm

What is especially laughable and ironic about your example is that much of China's economic wealth is coming from the exploitation of cheap labor.

It was the supposed exploitation of poorly compensated library assistants that started this blog.

Classic!


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Posted by Get real
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 19, 2011 at 12:06 pm

I do agree with one point above. China will be a larger economy as they should be. They have four times the amount of people than we do.


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Posted by Eunice
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 19, 2011 at 12:08 pm

"Are you serious",

Of course I'm serious. Why do you think so many of my colleagues have relocated their families there. In many engineering and technology fields, opportunities are far greater there than in the US. Have you spent much time in China recently? You can talk about "arbitrage" all you want, but plenty of my colleagues have taken pay increases and bonuses to work in operations in China. You should spend some time in Beijing or Shanghai. Life is good and getting better.


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Posted by Aristotle, NOT
a resident of Valley Trails
on May 19, 2011 at 12:19 pm

Like I was sayin' ... ya really can't make this stuff up! Anybody out there with any creativity would start up a comic strip using the material on these threads. People of Pleasanton protect your children!


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Posted by Get real
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 19, 2011 at 12:29 pm

Yes I have - I've been there four times in the past few years. Things are getting better and that is a very good thing.

But you and I know there are at least two Chinas - Shanghai and places like that and then the rest. You also must admit that all the opportunities you are highlighting are due to the fact that the government has provided some freedom to parts of its economy and therefore has become more capitalistic. In fact, one might argue that they are is someways more capitalistic than the US. We unfortunately are hampered by the crony capitalism inflicting many of our industries.

But I'm not sure it makes sense to hold China up as an example of why the world should be more socialistic. It wouldn't work. What if everyone operated like China - keeping their own markets closed yet taking advantage of open markets? The global economy would grind to a halt just like it did during the great depression.


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Posted by Get real
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 19, 2011 at 12:33 pm

Aristotle - I'll start taking you more serious once you actually engage in a dialogue with examples you'd like to defend.

Until then you are just another one of those vacuous solcialistic dreamers than can do nothing but denegrate other posters, hoping that is will make you look smarter.


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Posted by Aristotle, NOT
a resident of Valley Trails
on May 19, 2011 at 1:34 pm

Nope, Get Real. Your reality is way beyond my pay grade.

However, like my fellow 'solcialistic' dreamers, I'd love to learn more from you about the difference between free enterprise capitalism and 'crony capitalism'.

Nonobfuscationally yours,


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Posted by Ms. ipee Smelly
a resident of Birdland
on May 19, 2011 at 2:00 pm

geez I thought this topic was about the Pleasanton library and not china. oh wait most of Pleasanton is Asian.

and telling someone to quit and find a new job-it's not easy-I have a degree in library science and have been unemployed for two years


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Posted by Stan
a resident of Bridle Creek
on May 19, 2011 at 2:41 pm

Libraries will be a thing of the past in the years ahead, it won't be an issue before too long.


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Posted by Mike
a resident of Highland Oaks
on May 19, 2011 at 4:21 pm

Some jobs are not careers.


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Posted by Tissy
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 19, 2011 at 7:50 pm

In a few posts we go from the PTown library to China...what a hoot! I get the feeling there are a lot of ANGRY people just sitting around reading this stuff and find a way to release that anger by venting about anything. Chillax and get a life! Back to the subject of the lack of perks for the library pages...please!


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Posted by Rudolph
a resident of Deer Oaks/Twelve Oaks
on May 19, 2011 at 9:15 pm

Libarians are way over rated anyways. I been telling my kids who needs liberaries when theres Wikipidia?


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Posted by Resident
a resident of Country Fair
on May 19, 2011 at 9:48 pm

I didn't know that the employees were without benefits, but hope that their hourly wage makes up for it. The staff at the library do a wonderful job for the community. Does any one know why there is now a security guard there in the afternoons? Is that a library employee?


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Posted by Aristotle, NOT
a resident of Valley Trails
on May 19, 2011 at 10:04 pm

I'm still waiting for Get Real to tell us the differences between capitalism and "crony capitalism." I looked all over the Internet and couldn't find anything. You don't think he was spoofing us do you?

For the record, I'm for paying our librarians and their assistants top salaries and/or wages, provided of course that they do a fine job and earn it. I've found both librarians and their assistants to be quite helpful on countless occasions.


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Posted by clarification maybe???
a resident of Avila
on May 19, 2011 at 10:40 pm

Perhaps Get Real didn't mean to say that capitalism DIFFERED from crony capitalism. He more likely meant that capitalism has always DEFERRED to crony capitalism, and this as an inevitable consequence of the logic of capital.

If ever a term were loaded with contradiction it is the idea of free enterprise capitalism. Nothing free about it. Never was. Those who got their greedy claws into things first always set up things up to advantage themselves, their cronies, and their progeny. Working people are not "free" to enter into contract as free agents, but must in fact sell their labor as a means of supporting self and family. No work, no eat. Nothing free about that whatsoever. To think otherwise is delusional, though capitalists pay handsomely think tank parasites and fascist talking heads to perpetuate the myth. It fosters the illusion of freedom which disguises the fact that we live in an oppressive order.

Well, that's it for me! Gotta go to work at my second job! Just thought I'd try out contributing to this.


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Posted by Get real
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 20, 2011 at 8:45 am

Aristotle - Anyone you spent 5 seconds to google "crony capitalism" would come up with many definitions. Maybe you could start with the wikipedia one ...

One more demonstration of the utter lack of substance to your postings.

As you reflect on the definition, maybe you could consider what has happened with Wall Street, GM and what is starting to happen with health care.

I'm still waiting for your shining example of a socialistic success.


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Posted by Aristotle, NOT
a resident of Valley Trails
on May 20, 2011 at 9:23 am

Get Real has not quite convinced me that wikipedia is a better source than Aristotle. The wikipedia entry on crony capitalism, for example, clearly was written by a right-wing hack; but how would the ill-educated like steve know any better? Anyway, still can't quite grasp how crony capitalism differs in any respect from capitalism. Seems all the same to me.

@clarification maybe?: I enjoyed very much your pithy remarks and do hope you contribute more postings here. It seems, unlike Get Real, for example, that you find time to work and to read. Good show and thanks!


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Posted by Get real
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 20, 2011 at 9:39 am

LOL

And you still haven't come up with a great, lasting example of socialism ...

I continued to be amazed with all the closet socialists we have in this country. You all dream for a better day under your nirvana state, yet never really acknowledging what gave you your current standard of living.


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Posted by Aristotle, NOT
a resident of Valley Trails
on May 20, 2011 at 10:38 am

You want nations? Try on for size Finland, Netherlands, Denmark, Norway, inter alia. You want systems or institutions? Try public education in U.S., or U.S. postal system, or nat'l park system, or U.S. interstate highways, or ... well, you get the picture. Well, actually, you probably don't because, as your past teachers no doubt learned, you've got too much anger and hatred in you for anything to penetrate your skull except that which feeds the anger and hatred. But go ahead and turn to wikipedia to help you with these matters.

I'm sorry, did I miss your attempt to, um, educate us on the differences between capitalism and crony capitalism? What? Wikipedia doesn't provide an answer for you? Probably because there isn't one.


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Posted by Aristotle, NOT
a resident of Valley Trails
on May 20, 2011 at 10:49 am

... and not to be forgotten, our public library system.


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Posted by Get real
a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on May 20, 2011 at 11:50 am

But of course it is all me and other people who think like me (the majority in our country) that have the issues and are angry, bitter, small-minded, uneducated, bigoted ... have I missed any other label that you like to place on us because you can't win on the facts?

And of course you bring up resource intensive countries as (I predicted you would above)that have socialistic systems.

And of course you ignore all the failing ones - Greece, Portugal, Spain, etc. etc. and of course you are not going to reference your most notorious examples of Venezuaela and Cuba - oops Cuba is moving more towards capitalism these days as they realize the failure of their past system.

And it is quite interesting that you reference the post office - another bankrupt public entity.

It is a very good thing that people like you aren't in a position of authority. Your best hope in this generation was Obama and even he is moving to the center, much to your chagrin, because he realizes he can't win the next election if he doesn't.

Have fun in your fantasy world.


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Posted by Aristotle, NOT
a resident of Valley Trails
on May 20, 2011 at 12:40 pm

I'm very happy Get Real feels the need to add to my adjectives with others he readily ascribes to himself: "bitter," "small-minded," "bigoted."

Don't quite understand how being, um, "resource intensive" disqualifies the noteworthy achievements of democratic socialist countries like Finland, Denmark, Norway and the Netherlands. Apparently, then, the so-called successes of the United States must also be disqualified because the nation is, um, "resource intensive"? But of course now I'm entering into Clown Club territory with (very) private meanings and definitions to which I thankfully have no ready access.

Venezuela is a work in progress. Still too early to tell. One must wonder whether Cuba might not have become a DEMOCRATIC socialist nation had not the U.S., through boycotts, embargoes and blockades, pushed a democratic revolution into dictatorial mode.

Still awaiting "the facts" on that very private distinction Get Real draws between capitalism and "crony capitalism". He seems to be having difficulty with that one. Not surprising. You see -- and this is for readers' edification, not Get Real's -- the difficulty with private meanings and definitions is that whoever the lone(ly) individual is who possesses them, he has difficulty remembering what it is they originally "meant"; and since there is no objective standard, everything kind of gets mushed together like, well, to use a descriptor Get Real has probably heard before many times, scrambled eggs.

And what about libraries? I posited the U.S. public library system as a remarkable socialist achievement, and all the befuddled Get Real can think to criticize is the U.S. postal service. Pretty funny stuff!!!


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Posted by Yelena
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 20, 2011 at 8:18 pm

Libraries are very improtant I think. It is important for community. Compare to Barnes and Nobel and to see what I mean. We need to give our respect to our library staffs.


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