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on May 3, 2011
Hope that exclamation point is still there when the price of your home goes down due to low test scores. And I hope it's still there when you can't get services for your child because they've been cut. And I hope it's still there when the teachers vote against furlough days because they do not feel supported by the community.
That is pretty hurtful because I voted for E but thanks for your concern.
And I challenge every no (and yes) voter to spend a day a quarter volunteering in the classroom so that you can take that energy and convert it into *positive* actions. Saying "no" means that you need to be part of the solution.
I understand why Well.. thought that--your exclamation point looked like one of triumph to me, too.
What a sad day for Pleasanton. Mark your calendars--you'll be able to look back in a few years and trace the slow decline to today.
Looks like there are 14,000 of us who can donate to the schools directly.
More than 14K, Joanne. There are plenty of us who are happy to donate directly to the classroom but did NOT want to hand the money to the district to be misappropriated.
Wait, are the results final? What percentage vote is needed for E to pass? I voted yes on E because it is the right thing to do, I hope these are just preliminary results and that we have more yes votes to count
Can we write our own initative giving directly to schools and not to the teachers union because that and the economy seem to be the stumbling blocks?
"Looks like there are 14,000 of us who can donate to the schools directly."
Count me in. At 200 per person, that would be about 2.8 million, I am willing to donate 200 per year if the rest do too
Resident and "Just Mom" - Get your checkbooks out as PPIE/CORE will be fundraising soon and need your help.
Trying to win a vote by badgering people (mainly seniors) with never ending phone calls until they are tempted to unplug their phone from the wall coupled with fancy glossy mailers does not work in this town.
The new superintendent was brought in to fix the problems in the school district. Instead, nothing has been done and in fact, the problems may have gotten worse.
I am sad that E has failed. But I am even more sad that people like Just Mom and Joanne feel that the teachers are the problem. Please remember that we just passed our eighth furlough day over the last two years, which is about $2,500 of total income, on average. We did this for the kids and the community, but what we get in return is "did not want to hand the money to the district" and "giving . . . not to the teachers union because that . . . seems to be the problem." Good luck getting furlough days out of us in the future, we simply don't feel that the community is trying as hard as we are to help solve the shortfall.
To Phoned and phoned:
What are the problems you speak of? The main problem in this district is a budget shortfall. And the community has spoken, and said they will NOT help solve this, like most other communities have.
So other than the budget, what are the problems???
Not true teacher. I think the voters pay taxes and two school bonds. Asking for more money some of which going for teachers raises is to much.
I pay the taxes and the bonds too. I don't live in Ruby Hill or Beverly Hills, I live in the regular part of Pleasanton. I'm sorry that 89 dollars is too much for you, that paying taxes are enough. Like i said, good luck on getting more furlough days. We wanted to be part of the solution, but we don't feel like we need to be ALL of the solution.
Am I reading the results wrong?
From the website linked in the original posting, the results for Measure E are...
YES 13,430 65.16%
NO 7,180 34.84%
How is this failing?
Please illuminate me.
it needs 2/3's vote s it has failed.
The parcel tax requires a more-than-2/3rds majority, that's now it's losing.
Two-thirds needed. 66.7%. Failing by about 1.5%
And, oh yes, I almost forgot: This has all happened on National Teacher Day. Thanks, Pleasanton, for letting me know how much you appreciate me on National Teacher Day.
Ok Teacher you are upset so quit acting out and off to bed with you.
Who do you think you are kidding? The teachers refused the furlough days before the outcome of E. The shortfall exists because they will not freeze salary. Hold the increased budget, due to salary increase, side by side with the shortfall, continuing salary increases is the majority of it.
More money wasted on an election that should not have happened.
The whole thing is unfortunate, no one wins here.
Teacher - 65% of the community voted yes, there is a lot of support for teachers in this town. It is unfortunate that this measure didn't pass, but we should thank the volunteers who worked so hard and dedicated so much of their time on this measure. I think it's hard to get 2/3rds on taxes these days, but many people in the community stepped up and will do again through CORE etc.
Thank you for clarifying.
I suggest that if this vote results in any teacher layoffs, that these teachers join together and open up a for-profit school. We need more school choice in this community.
It got a lot closer this time and a third try will do it.
Measure G -- 62%
Measure E -- 65%
New Measure -- 67% est
There are already people taking the necessary steps to get another measure on the ballot. Remember, many communities have taken three tries to get a parcel tax passed. We are almost there. One important factor that improved the numbers this time was increased outreach to the community. That convinced a greater number of people to vote yes. We will need to be spending more money on getting the message out in the coming parcel tax ballot. Above all, don't be discouraged. This was a good result. The next one will get passed.
I think the likely failure of Measure E is the same reason as Measure G didn't get passed. The district administration timed the ballot to avoid the public seeing the content of the union contracts. Did that for Measure G too. Just seems intentionally deceitful. Folks that I know are ticked off not to have the union offers in plain view before the vote. Like they have been taken for idiots. Can I ask the district administrators to please be honest next time and make sure all the contracts and budget numbers are completely available before the ballot arguments are written and before the voting starts. We all know that there is a money crunch, and so many of us genuinely want to help, but it's gotta be a clean and honest process that we can trust! Unfortunately, we're just not at that place right now.
Thank you for tipping people like me off, "new measure..."
I voted a resounding NO ... not because I am against teachers ... but because I am against insatiable and poorly managed government schools. I am a former public school teacher too. We need more school choice. Most teachers are great...but it is the system and unions I am not paying one more dime toward. And I will fight with all my might to restrict more taxpayer dollars toward unions and the public school system.
Lets remember that the teachers voted overwhelmingly to give back $2000-$4000 each AFTER this community voted to not support the schools with Measure G. Seems like they showed more integrity than they have ever been given credit for- and here, after the community again votes against supporting education in Pleasanton, you continue to blame the teachers. This is beyond sick.
Parent says: "Who do you think you are kidding? The teachers refused the furlough days before the outcome of E."
Parent, we took three furlough days in the Spring of 2010 (in the 2009-10 school year), and five more in the 2010-11 school year. That's eight days, at roughly $2500 cost to each teacher, give or take. HOW ON EARTH can you say we REFUSED to take furlough days? I paid ALL four years of the parcel tax more than seven times over.
I love that you think, "The shortfall exists because they will not freeze salary." First off, the teachers did NOT cause the budget shortfall. Second, the best salary I can ever expect is 98,000, after I get to my 20th year. This leaves me well short of the median income in Pleasanton:
"According to the latest U.S. Census information, Pleasanton is the wealthiest midsize city in the nation. In 2005, the median household income in Pleasanton was $101,022, the highest income for any city with a population between 65,000 and 249,999 people. Similarly, for 2007, the median household income rose to $113,345, also the highest in the category."
And I really wouldn't even be making 98,000, because I have health care taken out of that salary!
So I'm sorry you think that my salary should be frozen, when I can never even make it to the typical Pleasanton household income. There is a 50% chance that anyone I talk to in Pleasanton makes more than I can ever hope to, yet you want me to freeze what I make? I voted to take $2500 out of my paycheck over an 18 month period of time. Would you do that for your company?
To Positive --- I acknowledge that there was a contract after the Measure G vote with some adjustments, but I'm suggesting that the contract should have been baked before the vote. That's the district admin's problem in my view. So, I'm not blaming the union as such. I just don't like the fact that voters are expected to commit to taxes without full and honest information. Like knowing how the money will be really spent and how much concession is being contributed by unions (and vendors too). But we're not getting it yet. But if we did, I really do think we'd have a different result.
"We need more school choice"
You're kidding right? People move to Pleasanton for the schools. They choose Pleasanton schools over private schools.
Really Winston, you knew of the HUGE payment that the teachers gave today and it meant nothing to the community- as a matter of fact- many called it not a real pay cut.
The "requirements" from the community is what kept changing- every time their demands were met. The "shared sacrifice" cry was my favorite- the teachers did their share, and the community cant even recognize that- only more blame for them. They said how the money would be spent. Why, a district ranked 12th in the state, would all of a sudden not be trusted or believed is beyond me. Just more excuses from those who dont care about what this means to our schools.
Again, I couldn't be more sickened by this attitude, blame and slap in the face to Pleasanton schools.
"Second, the best salary I can ever expect is 98,000, after I get to my 20th year. This leaves me well short of the median income in Pleasanton...for 2007, the median household income rose to $113,345, also the highest in the category."
Why are you comparing your top individual salary of 98,000(understated) to the Pleasanton median family (household) income of $113,345?
I hope you're not a teacher.
Why is a teacher comparing an individual income ($98,000) to the total median household income?
Also the Valley Times database indicates that 247 staff at Pleasanton USD including teachers are costing the District more than $100,000 a year. Many teachers make more than $100,000 per year. Look at the database at www.cctimes.com
To Get it right:
Yes, the 98,000 is understated by a little, because the 2008-09 salary schedule (the last to reflect this high point, because the last two years have been lower due to furlough days) is no longer listed, and I don't recall the exact amount. Would it be better if I call it 99,000, which is now overstated? I'll never get 98,000 anyway, because I have to pay health care out of pocket.
I am comparing the two amounts because I am the only source of income in my household, and I will NEVER make the median household income of a Pleasanton resident.
"Get it right", what doesn't make sense to you?
And the comment, "I hope you're not a teacher" is the kind of thing that makes myself and other teachers feel so unappreciated. Was that comment really necessary?
Here is the current salary schedule for the PUSD teachers:
Phoned and Phoned, please show me where ANY teacher in Pleasanton makes more than $100,000 per year?
And Phoned and Phoned, please feel free to scroll up and answer my question from an hour ago.
Measure "E" will stand for Embarrassment
for the Community of Pleasanton
Look at the Contra Costa Times salary database (I'm not repeating the link, I already gave it to you) -- for those of you challenged to figure out how to search on the database, the county we all live in is Alameda, and the entity is Pleasanton Unified School District (oh brother). Then press the button named S E A R C H.
The highest paid teacher (Village teacher K.L) has a gross of $119,508 (screen 4), the next highest (Amador teacher - math/computer D.R) has a gross of $114,495, the third highest is a homemaking teacher at Amador (D.H) making a gross of $108,664. Keep scrolling down to find all of them. Look up the database yourself to find their names. Keep scrolling down for the next 20 minutes and you will find them all. 279 employees cost the District more than $100,000 a year.
This doesn't count what the District has to add for pensions and other out of pocket costs the District pays.
So to teacher who says: "I am comparing the two amounts because I am the only source of income in my household, and I will NEVER make the median household income of a Pleasanton resident."
Then perhaps you should of elected another profession. Its that simple. Its all about choices. Those you made years ago when you decided to become a teacher and then the choice to teach in Pleasanton. And perhaps you need to consider moving to another city where a single income affords you whatever you feel you deserve. Its all about choices. That's what I learned in school...a product of PUSD 2004.
I feel the extreme need to point out that, although many of the teachers in Pleasanton are not actually making six figures, the ones who are didn't begin there career with that salary.
They worked to get their Bachelor's degree as well as a post grad credential. Even after all that it took YEARS before they even hit $100K.
Measure E wasn't going to designate all the money to raising teacher salaries anyway, it was merely discussed and agreed upon at the union meeting that some of the money would go towards raising salaries.
For those who are torn at the fact that Measure E failed: there are still other ways for schools save money.
There are 57 PUSD employees who have *salaries* over 100k and 37 of those are administrators. So, 20 teachers have *salaries* of over 100k, 85 have *salaries* between 90-<100k, 41 earn between 59k and 89k, 9 earn <49k. Not an out of line curve. Many of the names I saw have been in the district a minimum of a decade...when we entered. None of this seems out of line to me. They have a minimum of a bachelor's degree + a post graduate credential.
PUSD alumni, you are right, it's all about choices. I wish people would quit bellyaching about how teachers have summers "off". So many people on this board seem to think teaching is a slack job for high pay...well, then why don't more *choose* it. And I'm sure that "Teacher" was simply posting in response to all the recent complaining about how teachers here make "so much".
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