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Original post made by Gina Channell-Allen, president of the Pleasanton Weekly, on May 1, 2011

Osama Bin Laden, the "face of evil," is dead. Tell us, where were you when you first learned of the 9/11 attacks? And what are your thoughts about the death of its mastermind almost 10 years later?

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Posted by Tim
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 1, 2011 at 10:22 pm

My wife and I were in Pamplona after spending several days in beautiful Barcelona. We walked into a crowded bar located on the avenue where the annual running of the bulls takes place. A single small television set mounted up on the wall was showing what we believed for several minutes to be a Godzilla v. King Kong movie. When the reality of the tragedy hit home, we were struck by the range of emotion and opinion being expressed in the bar. There were many who seemed to approve of the unfolding events, some with smug looks directed at the two Americans who had entered the bar only minutes before. When the first tower went crashing down, there was a smattering of applause mixed with groans of horror. My wife and I knew, as did most Americans, that our lives would never be the same again.

Americans have lived in fear of bin Laden for a decade. Despite an inability to track the criminal down, pols proclaimed victory for having prevented any other such attacks. I've always felt that bin Laden never needed to launch follow-up attacks. His aim was accomplished with that single heinous criminal act, as America changed its entire face to its own people and the world in response. America lost all that remained of her innocence that day, and perhaps will never regain it.

Americans' lingering fear I think is written on the faces of the newscasters and commentators this evening. Although one would think the killing of bin Laden would be an occasion of great jubilation and celebration, the reports and commentaries are all being presented with a strong dose of concern/fear at what this might bring by way of retaliatory attacks. Such is a quite revealing detail of what we've become as a nation. This should be an evening of great joy and happiness. But to be an American today in these dark and fearful times makes spontaneous joy difficult for so many of us.

Today I am relieved that bin Laden is dead, and I'm very proud of our President. No chest-thumping "mission accomplished" speech after an inexplicably stupid fool's mission into Iraq; only a brief and measured announcement to the civilized world. Well done Mr. President. Now please bring our troops home.


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Posted by sleepless
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 1, 2011 at 11:36 pm

Today is a great day for America.

One of the best headlines/captions I've read this evening says a lot:

"Dear Mssrs. Palin, Trump, Bachmann, Huckabee, et. al. Sorry I took so long producing my long-form birth certificate. I was too busy tracking down and killing Osama Bin Laden. Signed, Your President and Commander-in-Chief."


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Posted by I dont understand
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 2, 2011 at 8:22 am

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Posted by Mike
a resident of Del Prado
on May 2, 2011 at 8:52 am

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Posted by Chris
a resident of Amador Estates
on May 2, 2011 at 9:01 am

Hmmm...the tipoff was from Gitmo detainees? Would this be the same Gitmo that Obama, McNerney and other dems wanted to shut down? The same military that Obama, McNerney wants to reduce in force? The same Obama and McNerney that the Pleasanton Weekly worships.

Personally I blame Bush for Osama's demise.

God bless our military and especially the SEALs. Our military is successful in spite of the Democrats efforts to render it impotent.


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Posted by Head-Shaker
a resident of Happy Valley
on May 2, 2011 at 9:13 am

In a brief span of 40 minutes, 'I don't know', 'Mike' and 'Chris' show us what a classy set of responders they are. Keep up the good work guys! The three of you have just demonstrated what an uphill struggle the community faces against forces of ignorance and dimwittedness.


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Posted by SteveP
a resident of Parkside
on May 2, 2011 at 9:18 am

SteveP is a registered user.

Special Forces and the Navy Seals kick butt! Thank God that the approach here was not the one we're taking with Iran---let's talk them to death while they plan our desturction!


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Posted by translator
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 2, 2011 at 10:11 am

You see, on SteveP's view, how the U.S. deals with a single criminal and how the U.S. deals with a sovereign nation should be identical. We should just be kicking butt all over the world -- kind of like what we did in Iraq, I guess. Is it me, or am I the only one who thinks that a lot of the PW regular posters are extremely dismayed that President Barack Obama, our nation's first black president, did what their boy hero George W. couldn't do after seven years of clearing brush on his ranch? It's a pretty sad day when some posters seem to indicate that they hate Barack Obama more than they hate Osama Bin Laden.


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Posted by just saying...
a resident of Birdland
on May 2, 2011 at 10:49 am

It wasn't President Obama that brought down bin Laden. The hunt for bin Laden has been a joint effort of both administrations, the military and CIA/FBI from September 11th, 2001 until this weekend. America has stood united in this effort and has claimed victory!!
God has Blessed America!


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Posted by Edwin
a resident of Ponderosa
on May 2, 2011 at 11:32 am

"I've never wished a man dead, but I have read some obituaries with great pleasure..." -- Mark Twain.


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Posted by David
a resident of Downtown
on May 2, 2011 at 12:44 pm

@just saying offers the following bit of nonsense: "It wasn't President Obama that brought down bin Laden. The hunt for bin Laden has been a joint effort of both administrations, the military and CIA/FBI from September 11th, 2001 until this weekend."

Fact is, the CIA and Bush Admin had a strained relationship that resulted from, among other things: Bush-Cheney's adament refusal to consider CIA's deep skepticism about Iraq's purported involvement with 9-11; Bush-Cheney's sidestep of CIA information by situating Dougie Fiefe (sp?) as "selective (mis)reader" of CIA's and other intelligence documents; Bush-Cheney's willingness to "out" a highly valued and important CIA undercover operative, Valerie Plame -- this in an effort to score political points by embarrassing her husband, Joseph Wilson; and Bush-Cheney's lying obsession with Iraq, which meant diverting strained intelligence and military forces from what should have been the task at hand, i.e., capturing or killing Osama Bin Laden. Bush-Cheney did America no favors whatsoever in the war against terror; they dropped the ball right before 9-11, and then continued their gross incompetence by marching American troops off the deep end with the illegal and catastrophic invasion and occupation of Iraq.

Let's give special credit where credit is due. Our Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces, as in so many other areas, has begun the long task of correcting the bumbling mess made of this country by the prior administration. This is a great day for America, and we all should be happy we elected in 2008 the right man into the Oval Office. Our outstanding American President, Barack Obama, has done us proud!!!


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Posted by Pete
a resident of Country Fair
on May 2, 2011 at 1:14 pm

Hold the praise for Obama you libs until you get the facts. The state department just said that the information about the courier came from the prison camps President Bush set up in Poland and Romania which Obama closed down. The information about the "mansion" in Pakistan being Bin Laden's hiding place came out in the summer of 2008. Don't you guys get tired of being wrong..........guess not.


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Posted by Bobette
a resident of Dublin
on May 2, 2011 at 1:43 pm

Dear Mr. President,

I salute you and our valiant troops for your outstanding service to this great nation. You kept your eye on the ball, and the operation was performed to near perfection. You're the greatest.

Signed,
A Proud Citizen of the United States


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Posted by Mike
a resident of Del Prado
on May 2, 2011 at 1:58 pm

To our Dear Leader Obama,

Thank you for not screwing up what President Bush put in place so that you can take ALL of the credit for Obama's death. Since you have taken office you have made things consirdably worse but even your ineptitude couldn't screw up the mission because you were not part of the planning and execution. You were only the yes man.


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Posted by Chris
a resident of Amador Estates
on May 2, 2011 at 2:33 pm

Dear Bobette and other Obama-philes,
While I am thankful Obama didn't screw this operation up, you should know a couple things.
If Obama and most other democrats had their way, Osama would still be alive.

We are learning that it was the waterboarding of KSM that made him reveal the names of Osama's courriers. One of those courriers led our military to the Abbottabad compound. Further, if Obama, McNerney and others had their way, Gitmo wouldn't exist.

Our military was successful despite the Democrats best efforts to nullify them. Wake up.


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Posted by Lynn
a resident of another community
on May 2, 2011 at 2:40 pm

@Bobette,
Yes, this is truly a day to be proud of our President. The utter class with which he handled matters should set a high standard for other great presidents who will follow. Compare this to the country bumpkin who spent over $1 million and caused sailors a day missed of shore leave in order to stage the 'mission not anywhere near accomplished' aircraft carrier spectacle. Today, our first African-American President's decisive action puts the little hate mongers in their place, groping for any sleezy excuse they can drudge up to criticize this great man.


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Posted by Reality Speaks
a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on May 2, 2011 at 2:43 pm

Hey there Chris and you other little fellas,

The waterboardings took place nearly 8 long years ago. Nice try! Find some other sty to play around in.


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Posted by Chris
a resident of Amador Estates
on May 2, 2011 at 2:48 pm

Hey Lynn,
I forgot to add that Obama and his 'brilliant' Attorney General Eric Holder took serious measures to PROSECUTE our CIA who conducted the enhanced interrogation techniques which resulted in the information leading to Bin Laden's death.

Did you hear that? They wanted our CIA PROSECUTED! Or are you only receiving your news from the MSM which would not likely discuss this.

Or are you so brainwashed not to realize that eradicating Osama was only a result of CONTINUING BUSH's policies. Hello...anyone home? (enter the sound of crickets here)


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Posted by Veteran Chuck
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 2, 2011 at 3:16 pm

I'm still waiting for the APOLOGY to the Muslim world for killing one of theirs.......Kind like when BHO went around Europe apologizing for saving them from Naziism and Communism and/or Fascism. /// This wans't BHO's doing, he could just no longer stand in the way of the process that others had set in place some years back. That there are still Bush-haters and blamers among us is no surprise -- I've ignored worse!.....I think.......

THANK OUR MEN AND WOMEN IN UNIFORM! STAY VIGILANT,HOWEVER,BECAUSE THERE ARE STILL MANY IN THIS WORLD WHO YEARN FOR OUR DESTRUCTION. And, THEY'RE NOT ALL IN THE MUSLIM WORLD, EITHER!!!!!!
SOME OF THEM YOU MAY ACTUALLY HAVE VOTED FOR.......................


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Posted by Danbo
a resident of Stoneridge
on May 2, 2011 at 3:16 pm

Thank you to our special forces and all the intelligence folks who worked tirelessly to find this person. I am not much for celebrating this with dancing in the streets though because it doesn't solve the basic problem - we, (each of us humans - not just Americans) need to find a way to better communicate with other cultures on this Earth. Killing just leads to more anger and more desire for revenge - it is a cycle without end. I know it was necessary that he was brought to justice and I am happy that the folks affected by 9/11 get closure, but what I really would like is for the violence to end on all sides. I know that sounds Pollyanish and simplistic - Look, I know that there are bad people and they must be stopped, but the violence on all sides just seems to be escalating. Can people ever get to the point where they have disagreements and walk away from one another - not have to shoot them? Unfortunately, It appears that this mans desire for a world where respect and kindness rule the day seems, sadly, out of reach. Oh, and can we agree that secondary screening of 5 year old boys and girls at the airport is completely unnecessary - I mean, c'mon!


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Posted by Michael
a resident of Grey Eagle Estates
on May 2, 2011 at 4:31 pm

Lift up the rock just a crack, and the roaches start scurrying every which way. Pleasanton, there are real forces of darkness in our midst. Many of these comments/commentators offer perfect argument for why we need stricter gun control laws. Much stricter.


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Posted by Fully Awake
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 2, 2011 at 4:49 pm

Bush had clear and ample opportunity to prevent the 9-11 attack, having been informed by Bill Clinton that Obama was America's greatest threat. But Bush and his national security adviser, Condoleezza Rice, were said to be more focused on their pet issue, missile defense, and the hunt for a reason to attack Iraq. Bush, according to Bob Woodward, said he wasn't interested in "swatting flies."

The unsuccessful attempts to engage Bush culminated in a briefing he got while vacationing on his Texas ranch. As investigative reporter Ron Suskind reported in his book, "The One Percent Doctrine," an unnamed CIA operative flew to Crawford to call the president's attention personally to the now-famous Aug. 6, 2001, memo titled "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S."

"All right," Suskind reported Bush saying after hearing out the operative. "You've covered your ass, now."

Former President Bill Clinton in 2006 notably complained that he came close to killing bin Laden in a 1998 missile strike, while Bush and the "right wingers ... had eight months to try [before 9/11]. They did not try. I tried. So I tried and failed. When I failed, I left a comprehensive anti-terror strategy and the best guy in the country, Dick Clarke, who got demoted."

Bush's post-9/11 swagger may go down as one of history's worst examples of false bravado. After the invasion of Afghanistan, the Taliban government quickly fell and al Qaeda retreated into the hills. But in December 2001, when bin Laden was unquestionably within reach of U.S. troops in the mountains of Tora Bora, Bush didn't pull the trigger.

Then for more than three years, Bush treated bin Laden a lot like the wizards in the Harry Potter books treat He Who Must Not Be Named.

In the summer of 2005, Bush started invoking bin Laden again -- but this time, to win support for his Iraq policy, which was very much on the ropes. And on and on....

Barack Obama? He talks the talk and walks the walk. We're lucky he's in office. Let's hope he stays on another term to help finish cleaning up Bush's mess.


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Posted by Really
a resident of Downtown
on May 2, 2011 at 5:22 pm

FA,

Obama poses are far greater threat to the united states than any 400 Bin Ladens. He is an economic terrorist in every sense of the word. He is and has made us the laughingstock of the world and this is from a guy who thought Bush was a joke. I voted for Obama because I was fed up with Bush but if I had it to do over again I would have voted for Hillary who would be up to the job. I am sorry but he has underwhelmed me and I am sick and tired of seeing him on TV everyday and just want him to do his job and get things going right again but thus far he only seems interested in being on Oprah, golfing, pretending he is 25 again by playing basketball..terribly. He needs to either do the job or let Hillary take the reins. A disaster.


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Posted by Fully Awake
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 2, 2011 at 5:36 pm

Really,

So you don't evidently think killing bin Laden is a big deal. And Barack Obama is, as you say, "an economic terrorist." Okay, interesting choice of words. Shows real good sense and judgment.

Beyond that, I should probably tell you that Barack Obama defeated John McCain, not Hillary Clinton. And as far as your vote -- assuming you voted in the primaries -- it didn't amount to a hill of beans.

Since your carefully chosen words indicate you are a wise person, I'll ask you how you think Hillary Clinton would have made a better president than Obama. Are you thinking of her single-payer universal health plan? And what does, exactly, make Obama, as you call him, an "economic terrorist"? I'm certain many of us here can barely contain ourselves in anticipation of what you'll have to tell us. Thanks so much.


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Posted by Really
a resident of Downtown
on May 2, 2011 at 5:49 pm

FA,

I am not being nasty about Obama as I truly hoped he would be able to do all of the things he promised. Unfortunately, he has proven to be nothing other than a run of the mill politican and a very inexperienced one at that. I knew he did not have any experience but thought he was intelligent enough to realize it and surround himself with a very good staff like Bill Clinton did. What I saw was Rahm, David Axlerod, Christina Romer, Van Jones etc. my jaw dropped when I saw the group he was putting in power. The only good ones he had were Bush holdover Gates and Hillary.

14 trillion in debt, now in 3 wars, unemployment over 8% and showing no signs of going down, gas prices through the roof, real estate prices down, foreclosures up, economic growth at 1.6% and there is more and I suspect Hillary would not have made the same mistakes.

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Posted by Long covert plan
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 2, 2011 at 6:28 pm

It was Tim who started petty,nasty partisan ridicule...little class.
Yes, this intelligence was learned almost two years ago, in Guantanamo. Information gathering takes years, and many intelligence departments to put together a covert action plan long, long before presenting and selling to politicians. I'm sure the Pres thought to himself, these guys are convinced we should go with this plan to get Bin Laden, if it gets out I stopped it, I'm history. Saying yes was the easy part.


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Posted by David Cannon
a resident of Birdland
on May 2, 2011 at 7:02 pm

David Cannon is a registered user.

I swear so many of you regular posters are a piece of work.
Yesterday an enemy of the United States, and an enemy of everyone who chooses to live in peace was killed.
Brave men and women tracked him down. Intelligence agencies gathered the information. Carefully the confirmation of his location was determined, checked and rechecked. An array of strike options were planned. An excellent option was selected and ordered. A brave group of commandos trained to run a near perfect operation. An order to execute was given. The mission was executed and executed well.
Today is a day to be proud and supportive of everyone involved top to bottom, and bottom to top. Today is a day to say thank you. Today is a day to be a proud of our America.


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Posted by Mike
a resident of Highland Oaks
on May 2, 2011 at 7:40 pm

The individual responsible for a horrific number of murders has been brought to book. Getting the right guy boosts your credibility. Good work.

People hooting and hollering like we just won the big game, however, is simply embarrassing. Is this the way we show how we are better than the terrorists?


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Posted by Sam
a resident of Oak Hill
on May 2, 2011 at 7:43 pm

Woa! I leave you kids alone for just a few minutes and you've already descended into partisan bickering. Cut it out. Both Bush and Obama did great jobs on this one. They both wanted to get Bin Laden and they got him.


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Posted by Fully Awake
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 2, 2011 at 7:45 pm

Really,

I'm sorry I didn't get to read the portion of your most recent post that was removed by the editors. Was it in the removed portion that you explained what you meant by President Barack Obama being an "economic terrorist"? And was it in the removed portion that you explained specifically how Hillary Clinton would have been a better President than Barack Obama? Since I didn't get a chance to read your wise words, could you take another crack at it? I'm sure others of us didn't get a chance to read what was removed by editors either. We're all waiting to be educated by you on these matters, and I'm certain the editors will not remove your words if they show even a minimal level of sanity. Thanks again so much.


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Posted by Fully Awake
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 2, 2011 at 8:04 pm

Sam,

You say "Both Bush and Obama did great jobs on this one. They both wanted to get Bin Laden and they got him."

Well, I beg to differ. The former, after failing us miserably on 9-11, and then taking his eye off the ball in Tora Tora Mountains, went on to send the nation on a fool's quest into Iraq, thereby diverting necessary resources needed to subdue bin Laden.

Obama campaigned on the need to withdraw our troops from Iraq and redouble our efforts to get bin Laden. Fact is, Obama showed he wanted to get Bin Laden to a far greater extent than did Bush, and, where Bush failed, our current President succeeded. To see Cheney slither out of his cave today and attempt to take credit is, in a word, sickening. Let's give credit where credit is due. It was Obama who put together the team responsible for launching the strike, it was Obama's call as to how to best go about doing it, and it was Obama who should be credited for this great day. Criticize the man tomorrow if you like, but please don't attempt to rob him today of his accomplishment by placing him on the same stage with the warmonger Bush.


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Posted by Bill
a resident of Birdland
on May 2, 2011 at 8:35 pm

Fully awake

You sound like a nice guy and open to other people viewpoints which differ from yours.


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Posted by joanna
a resident of Downtown
on May 2, 2011 at 9:22 pm

After ten long years, Bin Laden has been taken out. God bless the heroes and victims of 9/11, God bless America, and God bless President Obama. We should all be grateful that this mission has been accomplished.


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Posted by Rita
a resident of Downtown
on May 2, 2011 at 9:24 pm

It is a great thing but I wonder if it will stop terrorism or spur it into high gear? Only time will tell I guess but one bad guy is gone.


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Posted by Fully Awake
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 2, 2011 at 9:34 pm

Thanks for the compliment, Bill. Being open minded is an essential ingredient to any dialogue. And, of course, as should go without saying, other essential ingredients include a willingness to correct incorrect claims of fact and to counter unreasonable validity claims.

You sound like a pretty reasonable guy, Bill. Perhaps then you'll agree with me that many posters -- tea partyers, right-wingers, Republicans, I don't know what to call them -- showed their true colors today and last evening, and that the colors have been pretty ugly?


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Posted by Bill
a resident of Birdland
on May 2, 2011 at 9:44 pm

I would agree that people exposed their true colors and pretty ugly I will leave it up to you to decide who.


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Posted by Robert
a resident of Civic Square
on May 2, 2011 at 9:59 pm

God bless the heroes and victims of 9/11, God bless America, and God bless President Obama. We should all be grateful that this mission has been accomplished.

Thanks Joanna. Your words express the sentiments of most of the community.


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Posted by Obama Admirer
a resident of Mission Park
on May 2, 2011 at 10:26 pm

After 9-11, most Americans Republicans AND Democrats, rallied to the support of then President Bush. Today, 10 years later, I've seen little on the part of Republicans rallying in support of our President's successful mission to get Osama Bin Ladin. Olny the contrary. I agree with Full Aawake. Too much ugliness here.


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Posted by been there, done that, sort of
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 2, 2011 at 10:57 pm

After once being named Teacher of the Year at a university I worked at, one of my colleagues sidled up next to me and whispered: You'll never have to do another thing! Perhaps Obama's gutsy move on Sunday will be enough to get him re-elected. I hope so. But I also hope he continues on in the face of much adversity both at home and abroad. I think the following New York Times editorial remarks sum matters up quite accurately.

'Leadership matters enormously, and President Obama has shown that he is a strong and measured leader. His declaration on Sunday night that "justice has been done" was devoid of triumphalism. His vow that the country will "remain vigilant at home and abroad" was an important reminder that the danger has not passed. His affirmation that the "United States is not and never will be at war with Islam" sent an essential message to the Muslim world, where hopes for democracy are rising but old hatreds, and leaders who exploit them, are still powerful.

Mr. Obama rightly affirmed that this country will be "relentless in defense of our citizens and our friends and allies" — but "true to the values that make us who we are." Maintaining that balance is never easy, and this administration has strayed, but not as often or as damagingly as the Bush team did. Much will be made of the fact that the original tip came from detainees at the prison at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba. There is no evidence that good intelligence like this was the result of secret detentions or abuse and torture. Everything suggests the opposite.

The full story has yet to be told, but a few things struck us from the early reporting. The president's decision to order a raid on the compound — the only way to gather proof of Bin Laden's death — rather than destroying it from the air, showed guts. The memory of President Jimmy Carter's failed hostage rescue mission in Iran had to have been on the mind of everyone in the White House.'

Outstanding job Mr. President, and I salute you!


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Posted by AVHS Dad
a resident of Stoneridge Park
on May 3, 2011 at 11:14 am

AVHS Dad is a registered user.

We were at a friends house playing Mah Jong when my wife got an email about an impending Obama announcement regarding Bin Ladin. We all took a break when he gave his speech. We will all remember where we were when we heard this.

Obama, Bush, CIA, Navy Seals... This was the result of a multi-administration, multi-agency effort that kept it all under wraps for an unimaginable period of time.

It's times like this, though, that I pity the devil having to deal with such...an individual.


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Posted by Tim
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 3, 2011 at 11:50 am

Hey Dad, I think we can pretty well discount the idea that Bush and his cronies were kept in the loop. After dismissing valuable CIA information about Bush's trumped up claims regarding Saddam's WMD's, after Bush then blamed CIA "faulty" intelligence for getting things wrong on Iraq, after a treasonous outing of CIA agent Valerie Plame in order to score political points, I think it is safe to assume that the CIA was vastly relieved when Bush and crew left office. I'd also bet dollars to donuts that many if not most members of the CIA were disappointed that Bush and crew were not tried for treason. If you want to include Bush in this, it should be as follows: "Obama finally nails Bin Laden, despite Bush's years of incompetence." Nice try, though.


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Posted by Sam
a resident of Oak Hill
on May 3, 2011 at 1:14 pm

Tim, I'm no fan of Bush, but I really think that we need to keep things civil and respectful on both sides. Again, I wasn't a great fan of Bush, but I respected the fact that he held the Office of the President and was doing what he thought was best for the country. By the same token, I hope that conservatives out there respect the fact that Obama now holds the Office of the President and that he is doing what he thinks is best for the country.

If you don't like what a particular office-holder is doing, fine, then you can vote someone else in during the next election. But remember whoever is in the Office of the President now is there because of the popular vote of all Americans and deserves respect because of that.


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Posted by Tim
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 3, 2011 at 1:37 pm

Sam, are you saying my remarks are uncivil? Please elaborate.

My words were intended to be disrespectful. Respect the office, yes. Respect the office holder? Not necessarily. In Bush's case, he brought nothing but disgrace to the office. He lied to the American public through his teeth in order to "justify" his illegal invasion of Iraq. He lied. And it cost untold lives and casualties. He stated numerous time that the evidence of WMD was "indisputable". In fact, the CIA and other agencies were screaming at him that the evidence was indeed disputable. Bush knew this. He and his cronies lied. His office was then responsible for the treasonous outing of a highly valued, covert CIA operative, and this in order to simply embarrass/intimidate her husband who had blown the whistle on the liars. One has to earn respect, and Bush failed to do so. That's why he left office with a 28% job approval rating. I think one would have to be absolutely soft in the head to talk about Bush as if he anywhere deserved to be considered along with so many great, respected American presidents. Try your "fair and balanced" nonsense over at the Fox news network, pal.


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Posted by Sam
a resident of Oak Hill
on May 3, 2011 at 1:58 pm

Tim said: "Sam, are you saying my remarks are uncivil? Please elaborate."

Tim, chill! Not you in particular. I'm just talking about about all of the back-and-forth going on at a time when all Americans should be feeling the greatest amount of unity. Seems like that feel-good moment didn't last very long.

Tim said:"Try your "fair and balanced" nonsense over at the Fox news network, pal."

LOL! Hey, hear that everyone? Tim just declared me a "soft in the head" about Bush and a fan of the Fox news network! Remember that the next time time I'm in a debate here on these forums and you're tempted to call me a far-left wacko liberal!

BTW, YES on Measure E!
-Signed,
"NOT a far-left wacko liberal"


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Posted by Tim
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 3, 2011 at 3:21 pm

So, he who is calling himself Sam today, and who I don't for a minute believe is the same Sam who regularly contributes to these posts, doesn't deal with my claims but only tells me to "chill". Okay, Sam, the difference between you and another poster whose name is Sam is that the other Sam, unlike you, would comment on my claims, not whether I'm sufficiently "chilled" or not. I've read many of Sam's contributions on these threads. You, who today claim to be Sam, can't quite measure up. Nice try, but utterly transparent and more than a bit pathetic.

Now, "Sam," please tell me how my claims about Bush and cronies are erroneous. Please. I'm sure many readers would love you to show me how wrong I must be.


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Posted by Johnny
a resident of Del Prado
on May 3, 2011 at 4:26 pm

I think President Bush did a very good job and people just like taking shots at him because they can get away with it. Obama is terrible and for the same comments people get called a racist. Heck he does not even have one drop of slave blood in him and has as much white blood in him as I do.


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Posted by Sam
a resident of Oak Hill
on May 3, 2011 at 5:22 pm

Tim:"You, who today claim to be Sam, can't quite measure up. Nice try, but utterly transparent and more than a bit pathetic."

Tim, sorry but the discussion at hand "Bin Laden" and not who is "Oak Hill Sam?". But I assure you that it really is me. Now I'm not going to hang around and spend time defending Bush because, frankly, I just don't feel that passionately about the subject. But if you stick around I'm sure you'll find someone else who will forcefully argue that all credit for this operation goes to Bush and none to Obama. In fact, I'm kinda surprised that they aren't already here now. Have fun.


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Posted by Tim
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 3, 2011 at 5:34 pm

Sam,
Your inability to write a coherent sentence gives you away. Your tendency to run from any argument posed by anyone who challenges you to prove you are not a fool gives you away. Ignorant, directionless, incoherent. Racism is not funny, little man, and you are not cute.


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Posted by Amazing
a resident of Del Prado
on May 3, 2011 at 5:40 pm

Tim,

I do not know if it is lack of class, education, or just basic life frustration, but why is it you liberals are unable to intelligently express yourselves without calling people names. Truly amazing and completely dismisses your argument.


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Posted by Kathy
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 3, 2011 at 6:56 pm

I will bet you that Obama will incude this in his list of accomplishments on the campaign trail. It took several presidents to get to this point and what I would like to know is "where is the body" if he is indeed really dead. Doesn't New Yorkers have to right to view his body so we can assure ourselves that he is "indeed" really dead. I am neither Republican or Democrat but maybe all this stalling that President Obama was doing not producing his original birth certificate was because the timing wasn't right to let everyone know that they had killed the worst terrorist ever and he was stalling pure and simple. The reason of course is because he has already started his reelection campaign and he wanted this to look good for him and not give credit to any of the other presidents. Just something to think about.


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Posted by Tim
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 3, 2011 at 6:59 pm

Oh my gosh, Amazing. I'm so ashamed of myself. I've called a racist a racist, and I've called someone who seeks to defend the racist a fool. You're so right, Amazing, name-calling is the worst thing in the world. We have half the Republicans in this country still, today, refusing to believe their president was born in this country, and somebody like myself would actually think to call them racist fools. Keep up your fight on behalf of racists who seek to maintain their dignity in the face of cruel name-calling.


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Posted by Stacey
a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on May 3, 2011 at 7:10 pm

Stacey is a registered user.

"LOL! Hey, hear that everyone? Tim just declared me a "soft in the head" about Bush and a fan of the Fox news network! Remember that the next time time I'm in a debate here on these forums and you're tempted to call me a far-left wacko liberal! "

Hey Sam,

It happens all the time on this forum. Sometimes your opinions are perceived to fall under the spectrum of the right and sometimes under the spectrum of the left and you'll be grouped accordingly, even if the truth is something else. Try registering for an account and posting while logged in at least so that readers can be certain that "Sam of Oak Hill" wrote your posts.


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Posted by Amazing
a resident of Del Prado
on May 3, 2011 at 7:29 pm

Tim,

My gosh you are throwing a fit aren't you? So I wonder, do you feel most republicans are racist? How about independent voters? yes? I bet democrats are fine and have no problems eh?


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Posted by Sam
a resident of Oak Hill
on May 3, 2011 at 7:35 pm

Stacey, thanks for the advice. I may just do that.


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Posted by Tim
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 3, 2011 at 10:02 pm

Yes, Stacey, Sam, Dad, Kathy, Amazing, Rita, Bill, Ethyl's Mom, and all you other god-fearing good folk have all convinced me that there are much more important concerns in the United States than racism. Registering with PW courageously under a first name is far more significant and worth getting riled up about than is racism. And what is racism anyway, when there are lefties out there calling racists what they are, racists, and supporters of the racists what they are, soft-headed fools?

Yep, tonight you've certainly all out-classed me. Oh, and yes, in fact the Republican Party unarguably has become a safe haven for racists and racist viewpoints and policies. If you can tear yourself away from Fox News long enough, you might try reading the award-winning book by Princeton political scientist Tali Mendelberg, titled 'The Race Card', which specifies in full detail how and why the Republican Party has become the de facto party of racism in the United States. This would entail reading the book, which I warn you, contains lengthy sentences and polysyllabic words.

I gotta tell ya, I'm a real proud Pleasantonian this evening. You've all made me very proud to be part of this community.


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Posted by Sam
a resident of Oak Hill
on May 3, 2011 at 10:37 pm

Good night, Tim. Nice "debating" with you.

(Say, who was that masked, crazed man?)


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Posted by Tim
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 3, 2011 at 10:45 pm

(Say, who was that masked, crazed man?)

Oh, I'd say he's one sick little puddycat.


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