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Gov. Brown Could Reform Our Education System By Learning From Indiana

Original post made by Chris, Amador Estates, on Apr 22, 2011

Indiana's school choice plan will be the most sweeping in the country, if it passes its House and is signed by Governor Daniels, as expected.

According to Gov. Daniels, "Choice will no longer be limited to the well-to-do in our state. If you're a moderate or low-income family and you've tried the public schools for at least a year and you can't find one that works for your child, you can direct the dollars we were going to spend on your child to the non-government school of your choice. That's a social justice issue to me."

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Kudos for Gov. Daniels and congratulations to Indiana residents for planning to reform their school system to BENEFIT the STUDENTS...and NOT THE UNIONS!!!

Let's see if California will rise up and move in the same direction...tho I will not hold my breath, given the stranglehold the unions have upon the public school system here.

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Posted by Not much help
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Apr 23, 2011 at 11:10 am

The expenses of a private school are more than just tuition. I grew up going to private schools, and tuition is only portion of the expenses. I am not sure that giving lower income people a bit of money towards tuition will solve the problem.

The best solution is to make sure we reform public education, and that begins with union reform.


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Posted by Not much help
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Apr 23, 2011 at 11:18 am

Also: reform should include the ability of qualified people to teach in public schools even without a teaching credential.

I know people with masters and phDs in math and science who teach at prestigious private schools because they were told they were not qualified to teach in the public schools due to the lack of a teaching credential! And yet many public schools have teachers with degrees in the liberal arts (and with teaching credentials) trying to teach subjects they do not fully understand, like math and science. Something is wrong with this, it does not make sense.


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Posted by Mike
a resident of Highland Oaks
on Apr 24, 2011 at 4:14 pm

So the next question would be, "How much does Indiana actually spend on each child?"

If the amount covers everyone's non-government school of choice, then it would provide "social justice". If it doesn't, then it becomes merely a niffty rebate for those who can afford the difference while it changes nothing for those who couldn't afford the private school unless it were free.


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Posted by Yet Another Teacher
a resident of Hart Middle School
on Apr 24, 2011 at 5:06 pm

Content mastery is only part of teaching. The #1 reason beginning teachers quit is because they can't handle the pressure of maintaining classroom discipline. Simply being an expert in a subject does not make you a good teacher in it. The fact that the pay is low and remains so throughout one's career is another reason young people leave (the "big decision" usually comes when the teacher has his/her first child and then realizes he/she can't afford to raise the kid on an educator's salary!).

While we're at it, why don't we lower the barriers to entry for other professions? Why do people have to go medical school to become doctors? And why do people have to get licenses to become pilots? Can't they learn how to fly a commercial airliner using a videogame simulator?

Have a nice day! Happy Easter!


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Posted by common sense
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Apr 24, 2011 at 6:44 pm

What would happen if all the schools in the Tri Valley consolidated into ONE district, ala the Fire Departments, what problems would it cause other than lower administrative costs?


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Posted by Be Positive
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Apr 24, 2011 at 8:19 pm

Well, for one, all the surrounding districts have parcel taxes to fund their schools, why would they combine with Pleasanton? If measure E doesn't pass, just think of the bonus to their community's home sales as they keep class size reduction, build new schools, and continue to hire teachers. Not only residents will chose those towns, so will new teachers- as they already are! Pleasanton can just sit back and watch as they "make their point" and our school funding gets slashed further. Why in the world would they want to combine with a community that doesn't even trust their own teachers? They are not having these issues in their towns!


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Posted by PArent
a resident of Del Prado
on Apr 25, 2011 at 6:42 am

To Yet Another Teacher - do not complain about your salary, or compare your profession to the medical profession.

Many of the doctors and nurses in Pleasanton work signficantly more hours than you - 12 months plus weeknight and weekend call - and went to school signficaintly more years - paid significantly more tuition - than any of our teachers, yet earn less per hour than all of our teachers and have no ridiculous pension plan. Pay cuts are part of a recession - get over it. Paying our teachers less will not make the good ones go away - just the greedy ones. It is still a great job. I know plenty of young teachers who would LOVE to teach Pleasanton kids. Great families and great kids.


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Posted by earlybird
a resident of Birdland
on Apr 25, 2011 at 8:38 am

More mindless blather from PArent from del prado.

Seriously underestimates teacher hours of work; seriously overestimates education needed for much nursing; falsely states that doctors in pleasanton are paid less than teachers; falsely states that doctors have had to take pay cuts as part of the recession.

Mindless blather such as PArent's results from being detached from reality. PArent doesn't care whether he/she lies or not. It's pitiful.


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Posted by Gill
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Apr 25, 2011 at 8:59 am

" Paying our teachers less will not make the good ones go away - just the greedy ones."

It will make the new hires choose Palo Alto or some other good school district instead of Pleasanton.


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Posted by Gill
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Apr 25, 2011 at 9:01 am

"what problems would it cause other than lower administrative costs?"

And all the parents who moved to Pleasanton specifically to avoid the lower quality schools in Dublin and Livermore might have something to say about that.


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Posted by Bill Carman
a resident of Country Fair
on Apr 25, 2011 at 9:53 am

School choice is simply a way to pay religious schools tax dollars. This is blatantly unconstitutional and should be repudiated.


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