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Wow - PUSD delays start of negotations

Original post made by Start Afresh, Country Fair, on Feb 8, 2011

At a time when PUSD has delayed for months negotiations with its employee groups, PUSD had to pull the sunshining of bargaining positions with APT due to a typo. They put the wrong school year in the board materials.
And we are supposed to trust them with more money? They can't even get the school year right in their working documents.
In the public sector, people get fired for these kinds of mistakes.
Who gets held accountable here?

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Posted by comment
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Feb 8, 2011 at 10:37 pm

I'm posting this here just in case you didn't see it.

Oh no,

A TYPO!! Fire all the teachers!!! A typo. Wow Start Afresh, we are just so glad you are on top of this!! How can we trust teachers to teach creationism in schools, when they make typos??? Next thing you know they'll tell little children that people came from apes!!! OK if they're so smart how come we don't see apes still evolvin into to people?? How come apes are still here? Hmm? Bet all you liberal union types didn't think of that!!!


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Posted by Agree
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Feb 8, 2011 at 11:00 pm

I have to agree with "Start Afresh". Heads would roll in the private sector over something like this. Standards and accountability are more stringent. This mistake has consequences.


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Posted by Start Afresh
a resident of Country Fair
on Feb 9, 2011 at 5:44 am

To 'comment' -
PUSD is on a trajectory to issue layoff notices to dozens of employees in 5 weeks. How PUSD negotiates with APT could prevent it from happening. That 5 weeks is now 4 weeks due to this error.
While serious decisions about our kids education and adult careers are hanging in the balance, you want to talk about apes and creationism.
I'll say it again, in the public sector, people get fired for these kinds of mistakes.
Who gets held accountable here?


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Posted by b
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Feb 9, 2011 at 8:47 am

Memo from Silicon Valley: people don't get fired for making mistakes.


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Posted by steve
a resident of Parkside
on Feb 9, 2011 at 9:21 am

b-people outside of the protective environment of public sector do lose their jobs for just about anything, including making mistakes. It's called 'at-will' employment and you can be relieved of your duty for any or no reason. Making a mistake will certainly hasten that process, unless you're employed by the govt where incompetance is tolerated or promoted.


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Posted by wise up
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Feb 9, 2011 at 9:28 am

Memo to b -- you moron. Check out how long you would last at a pharmaceutical company (as just one example) if you let a type get onto a product label.
PUSD is grossly incompetent and I will ask the same question -- who is going to be held accountable for the loss of that week? No one, duh.


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Posted by comment
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Feb 9, 2011 at 11:24 am

wise up,

You are truly a crusader against tyranny!!! Keep the good work!!! You are a great American!!! We must stop these evil communists with their typos!!! It is the same as giving the wrong prescription to a patient!!! I get all my news from Rush Limbaugh. I don't need newspapers!!!


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Posted by Jane
a resident of Downtown
on Feb 9, 2011 at 1:09 pm

What strikes me as noteworthy in this contrast between public sector and private sector is how the teahadists romanticize the private sector. Apparently, they would have us believe that one typo in the private sector is enough to get someone fired. In reality, of course, it would probably depend on whether he or she who made the typo was a relative or 'political hire' or favorite of the boss, wouldn't it? Thankfully there are federal laws in place that protect individuals against certain kinds of discrimination in the workplace (e.g., race, gender); but these laws do not go so far as to ensure that people get fired because the boss doesn't like their face, or their politics, or who they schmooze with in the lunchroom. Similarly, as almost anyone with private sector experience knows, it often isn't so much one's competence that ensures promotion or retention, but rather how willing one is to kowtow to one's superior's agenda.

Or is it possible that when the teahadists ballyhoo about ideally being able to fire someone on account of a typo they are simply engaging in wishful thinking? Imagine having some of these clowns as your boss! Wouldn't exactly be the kind of America I'd prefer to live in; yet it seems increasingly apparent that that's the kind of America they want: they suffer this world, and gosh darnit, they want everyone else to suffer too. And they want to institute their recriminating worldview within the public sector? No thanks. That kind of misery, and the nastiness that flows from it, it not my cup of tea.


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Posted by Jane
a resident of Downtown
on Feb 9, 2011 at 1:12 pm

Yes, I inadvertantly made a typo: Should have read: That kind of misery, and the nastiness that flows from it, is not my cup of tea. So fire me.


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Posted by steve
a resident of Parkside
on Feb 9, 2011 at 1:58 pm

Jane, you sure seem to think you know a lot about 'teahadists'. (Nice term by the way....along with your ignorance regarding the private sector, you're also displaying your bigotry and lack of tolerance to those different from you). It's not surprising you think kowtowing is the way to get ahead. I would expect that comment from someone either unfamiliar with the subject or disgruntled at being passed over for more qualified workers. Life is not fair---get used to it.
No matter how much you try to regulate everything so that it's fair to the lowest common denominator, like human nature, this will never change.
In the immortal words of Donald Trump: "You're fired!"


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Posted by Anonymous
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Feb 9, 2011 at 2:15 pm

Sheesh, people, in school if you made one "typo" (i.e., mistake) you could still get an "A"!

Hey, wise up and Start Afresh, you've both made a typos in your comments! That must mean you're grossly incompetent.


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Posted by resident
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Feb 9, 2011 at 2:42 pm

I believe the actual point here is that the discussion continues to lag behind closed doors. Without transparency the district and associated union employees can count on little support from the community.


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Posted by Arnold
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Feb 9, 2011 at 3:18 pm

Good job Steve. Jane is a bit full of himself.

"And they want to institute their recriminating worldview within the public sector? No thanks. That kind of misery, and the nastiness that flows from it, it not my cup of tea."

I think what you are describing is Union Negotiations 101. BTW, I'm not a Republican and I don't work on Wall Street. I am, however, concerned about the corruption on Wall Street, the lack of transparency at CalPERS, and the control that our public employee unions have over entire political process (in CA anyway)and the democratic party. Locally, our politicians know that if they want to extend their political careers they need to the unions bidding. That is what is going on behind the scenes regarding the PCEA contract. I find it comical that people like Jane are critical of fiscal conservatives (the tea party) while trying to deflect attention from the pension issue by pointing fingers to the east. As was mentioned in in an article I recently read, what happened on Wall Street, as bad as it is, pales in comparison to what is happening on Main Street regarding unfunded pension and healthcare liability.

When you go from a pension liability of zero in 2002 to an unfunded pension liability of 100's of millions of dollars, for work that has already been performed, it IS a BIG PROBLEM in 2011.


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Posted by Stacey
a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Feb 9, 2011 at 3:33 pm

Stacey is a registered user.

Anonymous wrote: "Sheesh, people, in school if you made one "typo" (i.e., mistake) you could still get an "A"!"

HAHA! Maybe you've just identified everything that is wrong with public education today! Why, back in my day, when we actually walked a whole 1/2 mile to school and had to write by hand in cursive script, we'd be marked down for misspelling. Poor us!


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Posted by Stacey
a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Feb 9, 2011 at 3:35 pm

Stacey is a registered user.

We had to do math even with none of them so-called cal-cue-lay-tors neither!


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Posted by Start Afresh
a resident of Country Fair
on Feb 9, 2011 at 5:16 pm

Jane - In the private sector, a typo in a casual e-mail to a co-worker would be ignored. Much like the typo in your posting. It's inconsequential.
A typo in a shareholders meeting materials that prevents the stock holders who have assembled from across the world to take a vote on a matter of significant fiscal or organizational consequence to the corporation would have you fired in an instant.
Last night, the school board could not vote to sunshine the bargaining positions that could affect the number of teacher layoff notices given in March.
Consequential? I think so.


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Posted by comment
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Feb 9, 2011 at 6:11 pm

Start Afresh,

It must have been a Spudnut moment for you!! Only a real American has those. Keep up the crusade!!


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Posted by Be Positive
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Feb 9, 2011 at 9:10 pm

Start Afresh- If this is how businesses really run- firing people over a typo- then maybe you're revealing what really is the problem. Why would I ever trust the private sector? Businesses in the private sector are responsible for the financial mess we are in now as it is. Plus now listen to all those here complaining about their terrible working conditions and pay- why would you want to recreate that? Not to mention the bitter, hateful attitude of those in the private sector- wanting to see everyone else suffer. Only finding where they can blame rather than solve anything! You all really dont hear yourselves, do you?!


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Posted by Jane
a resident of Downtown
on Feb 10, 2011 at 8:15 am

Be Positive,

Yes, you really hit the nail on the head, I think. It seems to be a 'monopoly board game' mentality that is at the basis of the teahadists' thinking. I win, you lose, game over. No consideration of children of the players; no thought to saving people from exploitation; no mention of the importance of labor that goes into construction of houses and hotels; apparently no thought to consequential injustices that persist in our society; and a deep-seated irritation with govt interference in the game itself. Of all the consequential problems out there in the world, all the injustices that cry out for our attention, this crowd of teahadists would have us join them in getting all frothy-mouthed about teacher salaries or public sector worker pensions. The problem isn't Wall Street with its 'I win, you lose' ideology, they repeatedly tell us, but rather it's Main Street. Public sector janitors receiving decent benefits along with a sub-$60 grand salary. The shame of it! They are actually trying to tell us that's where injustice and exploitation inheres -- in janitor salaries and benefits, in teachers being organized.

In truth, they don't like unions and desire to bust them. They yearn for a society where teachers have to labor without protections or assurances against wackos out in the community breathing down their necks, trying to tell them what to teach. Oh, and then they try to lecture us on what occurs in the 'real' world. Of course on this particular point they falter no less pathetically, because too many of us have familiarity with the persisting horrors within the private sector. As society has progressed, the state, at the behest of an increasingly better educated citizenry, has intervened in order to disband monopolies, to prevent discrimination, to eradicate inhuman forms of exploitation, to make our workplaces safer places, to curtail the pollution that kills us and our children. But here, in a world with so many injustices yet to be addressed and overcome, we're faced with these tight-fisted, selfish zealots, who can think of nothing else beyond pinching a few additional pennies for themselves. We've seen this kind of movement so many times before in our history. It is a variant on the beloved Reagan's denunciation of the black mother arriving at the welfare office in a cadillac. It's not Wall Street, it's black folk who are the source of our economic woes. Hate them! Now they're demonizing teachers and public sector employees. And of course we see some people on this site, barely able to grasp an argument, but nevertheless incessantly honking out their approval of the demonization. Fire them! Make others feel my pain!


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Posted by Stacey
a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Feb 10, 2011 at 10:13 am

Stacey is a registered user.

Compton parents shall overcome!


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Posted by steve
a resident of Parkside
on Feb 10, 2011 at 10:33 am

Jane, what you describe as selfishness, most of us view as self preservation. I'm sure it's easy to be a bleeding heart when your advocating other people to pony up for your utopian cause. If some cause or issue is that important to you, donate your time and mony--volunteer for your cause. And if you're really humble you don't need to broadcast to everyone how magnanmous you are.


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Posted by Be Positive
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Feb 11, 2011 at 6:07 pm

Steve,
The timing of this faux outrage is curious. Surely looking back to when the economy was good, and our city workers and teachers were paid the exact same way with the exact same benefits, there was no cry of "its not fair" against them. And actually, there was no cry from public sector workers that their lack of inflated income was not fair. Seems like many became used to a standard of living- over consuming, wasteful spending- and now that they have to change, they are suffering, and everyone must have the same fate?

The whole argument only comes across as mean, childish and selfish. I agree with John from another thread- this attitude is what really worries me about this town, this is what will be our demise. Us vs. them. We see it everywhere. What a defining character for this time in our town. One I will never forget.


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