Posted by Truth will prevail, a resident of the Pleasanton Meadows neighborhood, on Jan 12, 2011 at 9:58 pm
"Frustrated Parents"- You need not spread lies on a public forum. The team was offered a contract to use the pool and did not agree to the terms. The pool belongs to the *entire* neighborhood, and the swim team was operating in a manner that put ALL of the homeowners at legal and financial risk. Either change the way you operate to COMPLY with current laws, or find a new pool. The bullying by some adults in the neighborhood has been a shameful embarrassment!
Posted by Kicked out -really?, a resident of the Pleasanton Meadows neighborhood, on Jan 13, 2011 at 7:08 am
Umm...the legal fees were actually required to defend against threats made by the "swim team" who have continuously looked for "loopholes" to avoid being legally-compliant. I am disgusted that money that could have been better spent (to go towards future upgrades) had to be used in this manner because a minority group "doesn't like" the law. The expense for becoming ADA compliant requires a complete facility overhaul and FAR exceeds the $5000 of which you speak. Please educate yourself!
Once it has been brought to the association's attention certain activities are not in compliance with CURRENT law, what has transpired over the past 30 years doesn't matter. It is irresponsible to behave in manner that disregards the law and expect fellow homeowners to take on that risk and liability. It's pretty clear which side is "ethically-challenged"!
If a group uses a facility *free of charge* (and has been for 30 years) they should be more than happy to be legally compliant with the regulations of said facility to continue to enjoy that privilege. Really quite simple.
Posted by Teri, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Jan 13, 2011 at 8:42 am
Kicked-out Really? Free of charge...don't think so. The swim team has contributed to the cabana club for many years. Who has purchased ALL of the soft drinks and waters for every PMCC BBQ for the past several years? Who donated those lovely benches that adorn the pool. I believe tables and recycling bins were also "donated" as a gesture of good will. Before that, the team gave a monetary donation...an amount that was mutually agreed upon between both parties.
I am not a member of the Meadows neighborhood but am quite familiar with what has transpired. A petition was circulated around the neighborhood last year. If I have my facts, correct, a majority of the homeowners signed the petition in favor of letting the team return.
The team has been a focal point during the summer for many years. The pool has been accessible for many kids who have working parents. The ability to ride their bike to a neighborhood pool, exercise with their friends and neighbors has made a tremendous impact on many of our youth. Not only does it build their self esteem but builds lifetime memories.
The team has my full support and I don't even live in the neighborhood!!
Posted by Not exactly Teri..., a resident of the Pleasanton Meadows neighborhood, on Jan 13, 2011 at 1:32 pm
For someone who "doesn't live in the neighborhood" you certainly *claim* to know a lot of details, which is odd...as several of them are patently untrue. In the past the swim team has donated water and soda for the ONE annual BBQ. Probably $150 or so per year. Do you realize it costs the facility *thousands* of dollars each year to support a swimteam? The homeowners have been subsidizing them since the beginning. Monetary donations have NEVER been part of the "30 year history". The wooden benches were all built by a board member with association covering the cost of materials only. The tables and recycling bins were also purchased using association funds. The swimteam donated the 2 plastic benches in 2001. Feel free to verify ANY of this information.
No one has an issue with the existence of a swim team - so knock off the "it's all about the kids" drama. However, they need to pay for the resources they use and abide by current laws that dictate how a facility may be utilized. To not agree to that and put that liability and fiscal responsibility on their neighbors is selfish and morally reprehensible.
Posted by PMCC member, a resident of the Pleasanton Meadows neighborhood, on Jan 13, 2011 at 4:37 pm
What is missing from this conversation is the FACT that the majority of PMST members are also PMCC members who pay for the items mentioned in the previous posts via their annual dues. You keep referring to the PMST folks as some outside entity. In general, these ARE members of the cabana club, they live in the neighborhood, and it is OUR pool.
We purchased our home in the Meadows for many reasons, including the ability for our children to enjoy a community pool, ride their bikes there, and participate in the neighborhood swim team. Truth is - a few unhappy people who have an ax to grind have ruined this for the majority of children who LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. It is our pool too. Stop making it an 'us against them' issue.
Posted by Also a PMCC member, a resident of the Pleasanton Meadows neighborhood, on Jan 13, 2011 at 6:43 pm
PMCC members who are on the swim team would not be affected. The compliance issue involves non-members only. The only reason the team was not able to swim at the pool last summer was the the refusal to deal with the issue of non-members taking the team out of compliance. I'm sure all of the homeowner swim team members would have preferred to swim at the local pool, but were never given that option by swim team leadership.
Why the loyalty to non-members who don't pay a dime to the facility and have no stake in the association? Why does their desire to be on the swim team trump the rights of dues-paying homeowners to swim at their local facility? The Cabana Club adds value to the neighborhood. Anyone who wants to can purchase a home within the association...
Posted by Pleasanton Meadows Member, a resident of the Pleasanton Meadows neighborhood, on Jan 13, 2011 at 11:08 pm
As a PMCC member who does not have any children on the swim team but does want the swim team for our neighborhood children, I have a few questions...so forgive me for not fully understanding what is going on.
1. Why are non members allowed on the swim team. I was under the assumption that only paying members were allowed to use the pool
2. Did these non members pay a fee that go directly to the cabana club to help pay for incidentals such as the extra chlorine, water, and toilet paper?
3. I have seen the swim team practicing while life guards are on duty. Are the non members helping to pay for these life guards?
4. If a "swim team" board is elected, will they put the PMCC members first. I would assume anyone on the board knows that their primary obligation is to the 840 plus homes within the Pleasanton Meadows community...not the swim team.
5. When someone came to my front door asking for my support for the swim team...which I said I fully gave them...why did they not tell me that this was about non members? Why did they not give me all the facts?
6. I would really like to know if the swim team charged these non members an extra fee, and if so, was that money given to the cabana club?
My heart is sad that our neighborhood is divided. The core of this problem, as it appears, is whether we will allow families that are not members to use our facility for the swim team. I do feel that we should allow children who do not have a membership to be allowed to use the pool for swim team use only. The swim team should pay a fee for each child that is not a member. The families of these children, however, should not be allowed to use the pool and they should leave once practice is over.
Posted by pmcc AND swimteam member, a resident of the Pleasanton Meadows neighborhood, on Jan 14, 2011 at 1:12 am
The truth needs to get out.......the swim team was NOT kicked out of the Cabana Club and the lies need to STOP!
Let me go on the record, I am a PMCC member and a PMST member.
As previously stated, the swim team was offered a contract to use the cabana club and they chose NOT to negotiate. WE as swim team members were NEVER notified of this and didn't have a say in this matter. By the way, who elected the swim team board?? I never saw a ballot, did you??
My children and I enjoyed the pool all during the summer this past year, don't understand why anyone else didn't. If you are a member there is no reason to not use the pool.
I will be honest, it was very nice to not have fight for lanes to swim in, with the swim team not there. On very hot days, in the evening, it would be very crowded at the pool with swim team practice and swim lessons going on. Again, I am a swim team member. However, I do NOT believe that the swim team should have priority over the general membership. The swim team only exists because the cabana club is there, not the other way around.
I, for one, do not want to subsidize non-members using our pool. I am all in favor of a swim team. However, be aware that there is NOTHING written in the By Laws that provides for the operation of a swim team at the cabana club. If the membership wants to vote and change that......and to include non-members access to the swim team then so be it. However, Everyone needs a voice.
It doesn't matter that this has been going on for 30 years. If it has been done outside of compliance with the by-laws, then it has been WRONG!! NO matter how much good has been accomplished by it. Wrong is Wrong! so let's vote and make it right!
Be aware that the Swim Team collects additional fees from non members to swim at our pool. That money DOES NOT get paid to the Cabana Club. Why not?? Good question!
On another note:
Who in their right mind thought it was a good idea to threaten the current Board of Directors with a law suit to hold them personally responsible for actions taken by them on behalf of their position serving on the Cabana Club Board? What, are you all going to ruin them financially to be able swim in a pool??? SERIOUSLY??? I am embarrassed for each of you that thought this was a wise path to choose. These Board Members are your friends and neighbors within the community. They didn't make it personal, YOU did!
Do I agree with the way the Board of Directors notified the swim team about not being able to swim at the pool, NO, I do not. It most certainly could have been handled in a better manner. However, the Swim team management choose to respond in an equally irresponsible manner and here we are.
Let's put away the egos on both sides and do what's best for the community as a whole. Let's put it to a VOTE - everyone deserves to have a say. After all it's our money that is paying for the use of the cabana club!
Posted by Where is our community of character?, a resident of the Pleasanton Meadows neighborhood, on Jan 14, 2011 at 11:45 am
My family was actually bullied, mistreated, and made to feel extremely uncomfortable on many occasions this summer. I actually addressed these issues through the swim team and the board. My 4 year old does not want to join the team because she thinks the swim team adults are "mean". Having lived here for 8 years and in ptown for 30 that makes me very sad... We want to take a neutral stance that benefits all homeowners but strongly feel the team needs to remove their top managers. They made poor choices and have divided us all. Their propaganda is over the top and fueled by emotion. Any educated person knows emotions do not belong in debate, discourse or financial matters...
Posted by So everyone knows, a resident of the Pleasanton Meadows neighborhood, on Jan 14, 2011 at 2:44 pm
Just so everyone knows, the individual whose name is on the lawsuit waged against the board opted to put his name on the ballot this year.
Please contact Tani @ Association Management to verify which candidate. I believe that is a matter of public record. I don't think this forum is the appropriate place to "out" the individual who drove up legal fees which we *ALL* now have to foot the bill for...
Ask around and find out who will best represent the *entire* neighborhood that supports the pool via dues - not just a select group. Vote wisely, neighbors!
Posted by Where is our community of character?, a resident of the Pleasanton Meadows neighborhood, on Jan 15, 2011 at 12:22 pm
hmmm "couldy'allbeanydumber" you seem to be participating in the exact sort of ugly politics I mentioned was a problem for my family this summer. You failed to address my post as you were too eager to play a game of attack at the other posts. Even the name you post under is offensive. This is the type of mudslinging that divides our current community.
I am trying very hard to make an educated vote, but comments like yours interfere with the entire process. No I am not dumb, no I do not hate kids...I actually work with children for a living. What do you do in life? for kids? for the community we live in? How do you contribute to make Pleasanton, Pleasanton Meadows, and our pool a better more positive place for all? Are you modeling positive character traits for our children?
If you truly want a board that is neutral and will handle all concerns and balance the needs of our community, then drop the anger and condescension. Pass that message on to other swim team leaders and parents too. The neighborhoods children are picking up on it. They are watching to see how "their" adult handles this situation. They are talking about it in the park, at school, at the pool etc. I see and hear it all and it is not pretty.