Posted by mom, a resident of the Vintage Hills Elementary School neighborhood, on Dec 12, 2010 at 3:34 pm
Hey Mike....are you joking? Amazing how you would suggest the schools should teach and be responsible for "familiarizing our kids with the the ups and downs of relationships." That's OUR job as parents. Amazing how many parents don't want to parent and expect our schools to teach values, morals, ethics. IF your looking for a program look no further than your two lips.
Posted by JR, a resident of the Danville neighborhood, on Dec 12, 2010 at 5:14 pm
Totally agree with "mom" above...it is our job as a parent to give our children tools of life...starting at age zero. I overheard a mother signing up her daughter for kindergarten.."I can hardly wait until she gets in school to learn manners". How very, very sad for both families and friends of these young people.
Posted by Kristine, a resident of the Downtown neighborhood, on Dec 12, 2010 at 6:45 pm
And here we go with people making this article about blaming! Stop it...There are two families here involved in something that is too painful comprehend and the fault is no ones. You can't place blame anywhere. Period. A young man obviously in emotional turmoil took the life of an innocent victim and and there is no blame here but one. A SOCIETY that allows guns to easily. O.k. Guns, GOOD FOR NOTHING. Period.
Posted by resident, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Dec 12, 2010 at 8:26 pm
My heart goes out to these two families. May they somehow find comfort. May I also add that the David family has shown remarkable class, compassion and intelligence for saying that they do not blame this young man or his family. (according to one interview I read)
Posted by Sam, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Dec 13, 2010 at 8:46 am
Very, very sad to read this; as a parent, we always struggle to help our teens/young adults to keep things in perspective and provide support in times of stress, but it doesn't always help them fully. Healing thoughts to the families.
(Jeb: question, though, on the headline:
"Police say ex-boy gunned down 22-year-old Michel David outside her apartment" -- was this a transgender situation?)
Posted by parent, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Dec 13, 2010 at 8:51 am
This is a good reason to not "get serious" as a minor. Statistically, the ODDS are youthful romance will very likely end in a "breakup". AND, the 'breakup' for males, frequently end in the 'if I can't have her, nobody can"....for all ages. History keeps repeating this scenario.
Girls don't ever think you are so special that you will fix him, or he wouldn't treat you criminally.... Guys, of course girls can make your life hell, with serious stalking and harrassing. Message to all, move INTO relationships with CAUTION....and critical thinking.....that's part of being a rational adult. It can prevent divorce too.
Posted by concerned parent, a resident of the Vintage Hills Elementary School neighborhood, on Dec 13, 2010 at 9:44 am
I know Danield's parents were great people and involved with their kids in sports, church and in life. I am just trying to make a bit of sense out of this. Did anyone on this thread know Dan Shoemake to be a violent type? I heard he was in the Army, is this a post traumatic stress situation? Was he being treated for depression? Could anyone have guessed he was capable of this type of anger or violence?
Posted by Mary, a resident of the Vineyard Avenue neighborhood, on Dec 13, 2010 at 11:16 am
Well said "Friend"... no matter what two young people are dead.. and two families are forever changed. My thoughts and prayers to all.
one last note.. to all that are talking about What the parents and schools could have, should have, would have done.. remember these were ADULTS.. they were 21 years old, no matter what, this has nothing to do with the parents this situation involved ADULTS!
Posted by Friend, a resident of the Birdland neighborhood, on Dec 13, 2010 at 1:22 pm
Sam: Jeb doesn't need to fix the headline because Michel is the girl's name- Like Michelle without the "le" at the end. David is her last name.
Sending prayers of love and peace to both families and friends of the young adults involved... terrible tragedy. I am a member of the parish they attend and we are all praying for the families involved.
Posted by Sam, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Dec 13, 2010 at 1:28 pm
Friend, all -- I honestly meant no disrespect by asking Jeb to fix the earlier typo/mistake in the article's secondary headline -- it read "ex-boy gunned..." and not "ex-boyfriend gunned...". Jeb or someone in the editorial staff has since fixed it. I wasn't speaking of the spelling of Michel's name.
Again, my sincere condolences to the families and friends in this terrible tragedy.
Posted by Anne, a resident of the Pleasanton Meadows neighborhood, on Dec 13, 2010 at 3:04 pm
This is such a tragic situation! My heartfelt sympathy to both families and to the siblings who are still students in PUSD. I sincerely hope that this community can embrace both families and send comfort and support without any judgments. Often mental health issues do not rear its ugly head until late teens-early twenties. May they both rest in peace.
Posted by Mike, a resident of the Highland Oaks neighborhood, on Dec 13, 2010 at 3:31 pm
"Posted by mom, a resident of the Vintage Hills Elementary School neighborhood, 23 hours ago
Hey Mike....are you joking? Amazing how you would suggest the schools should teach and be responsible for "familiarizing our kids with the the ups and downs of relationships." That's OUR job as parents. Amazing how many parents don't want to parent and expect our schools to teach values, morals, ethics. IF your looking for a program look no further than your two lips."
Slow down there, Mom. It was just a question, and a simple yes or no would have answered it to my satisfaction.
Posted by Kottinger Neighbor, a resident of the Kottinger Ranch neighborhood, on Dec 13, 2010 at 7:54 pm
I have known Dan Shoemake and his family for over 10 years. They have lived down the street from us until just recently. The family seemed to be happy and did many things together. The mother and father were totally devoted to their children.
There is a younger brother down in San Diego also. He just graduated in 2009 from a Pleasanton high school. Poor kid to see your big brother suddenly gone and also the girlfriend.
When I heard the news I could not stop crying. Poor Michel was robbed of her life. Poor Dan was obviously too sad to see a brighter future.
There is nothing worse than losing a child, nothing. The tragedy is enormous for both families. My heart is especially broken for the Shoemake family who will have to live with the knowledge that Dan killed Michel. I don't conceive of how they could ever heal.
Posted by neighbor with hope, a resident of the Pleasanton Meadows neighborhood, on Dec 13, 2010 at 8:27 pm
dear Kottinger Neighbor,
There is nothing that God can't heal. This is a tragic event for the families and friends who know them, and for us as a Community as well. We need to encourage everyone who reads these Blog's... Love your kids... tell them about the ups and downs of relationships. Begin with a relationship with God if you don't know Him then seek Him. He is forever faithful, not condeming, and Big enough to cover anything, Heal anything with His Grace. Hope is out there don't forget that. With love and prayers for healing.
Posted by Robert, a resident of the Vintage Hills Elementary School neighborhood, on Dec 13, 2010 at 9:16 pm
Our hearts are out to the family and friends of the victims. This is so avoidable with some restraint and objective thinking. Such a tradegy with souch young lives. They had their whole lives ahead of them. Guns do not belong in our society.
Posted by To Edith, a resident of the Amador Estates neighborhood, on Dec 14, 2010 at 1:41 pm
Edith-No a murderer does not get sympathy because he kills himself. A young man, who has been part of a community, known and loved by friends, their parents, his teachers, his coaches and neighbors, who tragically ends his life and that of another child from the same community does. So do his parents, his siblings, her parents and her siblings. You get my sympathy that you do not see the bigger picture here.