Foothill Basketball Sports, posted by BasketBall Fan, a resident of the Foothill Knolls neighborhood, on Nov 18, 2010 at 7:52 pm
Foothill's basketball team is going to be great this year! The Coach must be doing a great job in improving the team's skill level, keeping and attracting top athletes. Right now, he has all the best athletes playing basketball. I hope the coach stays for a long time and continue to develop the program! Go Foothill!
Posted by Falcon Dad, a resident of the West of Foothill neighborhood, on Nov 23, 2010 at 3:21 pm
Basketall Fan, where you are getting your information? The fhs varsity coach is doing exactly the opposite. He had two great talents who didn't want to play for him. One transferred to Amador made the varsity team as a sophomore. This kid was quick and they could've really used someone like him. Last year the fhs coach would not even let this player to try out for jv. Then the coach has another talented player quit the team just so he wouldn't play for the var coach. This kid could almost score at will, he was tall and agile. Talk about squandering away talent . . . it's too bad because Foothill would've been really good this year. Well they still have their senior point guard who can shoot the lights out so maybe he can help FHS have a decent record despite the coach. Is the AD is watching all of this?
Posted by Lloyd hater, a member of the Foothill High School community, on Nov 23, 2010 at 4:22 pm
Lloyd should learn to behave if he wants to attract and KEEP good players. Beleive me Lloyd isn't there for the players or the school. He's there because Foothill is a div 1 school and I'm sure he thinks that'll look real good on his resume. He's got one foot out the door already i bet.
Posted by Foothill Fan, a resident of the Charter Oaks neighborhood, on Nov 23, 2010 at 9:49 pm
You are talking about two schools (Amador and Foothill) who used to have good programs and great athletes. Those times have passed and the mantle has been passed on to the San Ramon Schools so get over it. Both schools if they are to be effective in the future must rely on a better CYO program. Pleasanton used to have an exceptionaly A team and four very good B teams. coaching is not the major problem but talent is.
Posted by Pleasanton bb-mom, a resident of the Valley Trails neighborhood, on Nov 24, 2010 at 9:34 am
You have a point, the feeder programs here in Pleasanton are all soft whether it's CCOP, EBB, and even the middle schools! My daughter made the A team and faced the San Ramon team that won the championship last year, her teammates didn't want to play. The coach was asking for volunteers to play.
Talent can be developed if it's in the hands of a good coach. Most coaches here rely on the fact that they "played in college", when that doesn't hold water when you can't transfer that knowledge to your players or are too afraid make players work hard.
Posted by Play Ball, a member of the Amador Valley High School community, on Nov 24, 2010 at 12:18 pm
There are more basketball programs than CCOP and EBB out there. If you are not playing AAU basketball and getting out of the area to play teams you will NEVER get any better. You may be great by Pleasanton standards but that doesn't mean much in high school.
Ask yourself how many elite players have been produced by the EBB or CCOP programs? I don't know of any. And when you add volunteer and dad coaches to the mix, you can never guarantee fair or appropriate player selection or development. It is just more of the same each year.
Basketball at the high school level requires matching up with tougher teams with more contact and higher skill levels. Middle school basketball, EBB and CCOP isn't enough to prepare Pleasanton kids for the talent pool outside of the Tri-Valley. Serious players should check out AAU teams if they really want to compete at the High School level.
Posted by Ptown Mom, a member of the Hart Middle School community, on Nov 27, 2010 at 7:12 am
I agree Play Ball! My son just went through tryouts and it was a very grueling experience for him. Six days of conditioning, all out playing and tested on all fundamental skills. In looking back at what got him prepared the most for those six days was definitely NOT CCOP. In fact his aau coach had to "undo" some of the bad habits he picked at CCOP like waiting for the ball to come to you. In high school you go after that ball!
My son has done everything, CCOP, EBB, 24hr, and by far AAU is the best preparation. My son made his high school team! In just a few practices and games, there definitely is so much more contact. You have to be physically and mentally strong.
Posted by ALRDG3, a member of the Fairlands Elementary School community, on Nov 29, 2010 at 9:04 pm
Some of the things that I have learned as a long time basketball parent are that . . .
1. continually work on their skills. you cannot get better unless you are working on your skills outside of practice. The best players around here work on skills 1-3 hours outside of practice EVERY day
2. get a good trainer! if you don't know what you are doing wrong, you will never get better. get someone skilled who will tell you how to get better and someone who will push you to the next level
3. get mentally tough. high school basketball is not easy and you will be surprised at the amount of work it takes to just get on the team plus get minutes.
4. get excellent grades! it's a sad day when you worked so hard to get on the team only to sit on the bench due to academic suspension. pay attention to your grades, once the season starts, it's a tough schedule to balance homework, projects, practices and games.
5. don't give up. just because you didn't make a team or you don't get minutes in middle school or even frosh doesn't mean you won't make the team next year or get more playing time. keep working hard and play aau in the off-season!
Good luck to all the hardworking players out there!
Posted by Ptown mom, a resident of the Carlton Oaks neighborhood, on Dec 13, 2010 at 4:28 pm
Thank you ALRDG3! This is fantastic information. Can you or anyone tell me if there are any good aau programs in Pleasanton? Maybe in the trivalley area? Thank you for any recommendations. My son needs a tough program because I know he wants to make his high school team.
Posted by Alice, a member of the Mohr Elementary School community, on Dec 14, 2010 at 2:20 pm
I have my son in Bulldogs but I from the sound of the comments above it isn't that good. EBB is East Bay Bulldogs right? Anyway, it seems good so far, my son is 5th grader but I can see that as he get older he will need to really be taught. They don't seem to teach much and no offense to the parents who are teaching, but I don't think they really know what they are doing. I just see them doing one drill over and over again. Also, why am I paying all this money for another parent volunteer to teach my son? Isn't that like CYO and I didn't pay nearly as much.
Posted by Bball Fan, a resident of Dublin, on Dec 19, 2010 at 8:19 am
I have been a longtime Amador Fan growing up and I watched them play in the Don Nelson Classic this weekend against Dublin High (my kids will go to Dublin) in Dublin's beatiful new gym! Whenever these two teams meet up, it's a battle and very fun to watch! I heard there was some "bad blood" between these two teams because the Costello should've been the coach at Amador. Is this true? It seemed like both coaches genuinely liked each other. They sat together talking when their teams weren't playing. I watched the teams play also at the ABC tourney (another exciting) game. The growing rivalry between Dublin and Amador is getting interesting to watch! Maybe someday more fun than the Amador vs. Foothill games!
Posted by Just Sayin', a member of the Foothill High School community, on Jan 5, 2011 at 7:17 pm
Favoring certain high school basketball players over other more than qualified participants is a fairly common coaching peccadillo, sometimes simply through sheer innocence, other times driven by financial booster considerations. However, there have been EBAL coaches who simply discourage the development of certain players due to community grudges. Last season for example, a tremendously skilled Foothill H.S. basketball player was purposely played out of his normal playing position by his head coach along with having his playing time significantly reduced. This point guard was not only top-rated in the bay area, but was also nationally recognized. His father a longtime successful Pleasanton AAU basketball coach seemingly upset a few families along the way. After his sonís discouraging experience at Foothill last season as a freshman, he was forced by circumstances to transfer his son to another high school in order to obtain fair accommodation. Strangely enough, his son is now a starting point guard on the varsity team, playing as sophomore, for the cross-town rival. Doesnít make much sense, but vocal boosters with misguided intentions can indeed have improper input on high school programs in our area.
Posted by TRUTH, a resident of the Amador Estates neighborhood, on Jan 12, 2011 at 11:06 am
Can we be honest please, the player who transferred to Amador is a pretty good guard but not a starter and I have seen a lot of the Amador games this year. I have had a couple of sons go through Amador and i have seen decades of amador and foothill basketball. There is absolutely no way the player is nationally ranked in anything. The parent in question about his AAU success is what he might think is success while almost everyone who knows him says the complete opposite. His reputation is not very positive and most players and parents say that he is a absolute wild person who shouldn't be aloud to work with kids. This coach also has tried to get coaching jobs in the district and it has been denied every time since people are on to his out of control ways.
To really be honest I would bet my retirement that the post I am responding to is the mom or dad in question.
Posted by TRUTH got told, a resident of another community, on Jan 12, 2011 at 2:19 pm
TRUTH - pay up! The parents of this player did not post that. I'm pretty sure they left because of the varsity coach. I don't know specifics, but I heard last year that the freshmen players were upset when the varsity coach was screaming four letter words (while sitting with the crowd) at this player during their game. This is just one of the things that Lloyd did to that player. I've also read that Lloyd is the one out of control and the AD had to intervene when the varsity seniors complained. I don't think this players parents knew anything about "peccadillos" or boosters.
You want to know sad? When coaches at the middle schools pms play their sons and teach them that if you have connections or have money you will make the team no matter how badly they play.
This aau coach has taught his son the right things, to keep working hard at his skills and keep up his grades. I don't think the player is a starter but he beat out players who have been in that program, who knew the coaches and the system. This player basically tried out as an unknown and still impressed enough to make the varsity team. I don't think there is another sophomore in Pleasanton that's on varsity basketball. Also this player is on the honor roll, that's probably another reason he beat out some players. I also applaud the Amador coach for not being coerced. It takes so much more than just being good at basketball.
People in this town don't want to admit it but this aau coach should be training players around here some toughness! A lot of players who have now dropped out from high school ball could've used a little mental toughness.
Now for your retirement . . . you can make the check out to your sons former high school: Amador Valley High School Boosters. I'll let them know you will send today. They'll be so happy!
Posted by Question, a resident of the Bonde Ranch neighborhood, on Jan 12, 2011 at 6:34 pm
I have only lived in Pleasanton since 2004 and during that time I do not remember either Amador or Foothill winning the EBAL championship in Basketball. Can anyone tell me the last time either team won the title?
Posted by Answer, a resident of the Danbury Park neighborhood, on Jan 13, 2011 at 9:06 am
Foothill last one a title in 2002 and Amador has not won a title since 1997. Been a long time for both programs and looks like a ways off for another one the way the programs at DeLaSalle, Monte Vista, and San Ramon look.
Posted by HoopFan, a resident of the Pleasanton Meadows neighborhood, on Jan 13, 2011 at 9:54 am
Pleasanton teams were powerhouses back in the day before De La Salle joined EBAL. It's only going to get worse with Castro Valley joining EBAL next year. Castro Valley is currently at the top of their league with 4-0 record. I'm curious if any of the Livermore teams will move to another league.
Posted by PT, a resident of Dublin, on Jan 20, 2011 at 1:27 pm
It's funny how people make that assumption all the time, that the kid is an unwilling participant. That the dad is forcing him to do all these things. I know this kid and his family and there is no reason to pity him. He's a very nice young man and is very well-balanced and well-liked. I tell ya, Pleasanton people are funny. They are okay with having their kids "achieve" something like getting on a team with no skills whatsoever. I've seen some players where the father basically paved the way brown-nosing with favors and money. You should pity THEIR kids because ultimately they are the ones learning the wrong things.
Posted by Nationally ranked, a resident of the Avila neighborhood, on Jan 20, 2011 at 10:41 pm
Please someone show me any link anywhere, that this player is ranked. LOL. He a nice player, especially for a 10th grader but the only place he is ranked is on his parents refrigerator. Sorry to have to second or third or fourth the notion that his dad is out of control at times. A couple of years ago he went after a opposing coach. He also had a large number of players leave his program and citing verbal abuse by him.
It doesn't matter if you can train players, they are kids and if you can't connect with them and act like you have no control, they will leave like they have. The proof is in the pudding, he might of done an ok job at times but there are way to many people who have left his team and way to many people that have negative things to say about his approach and/or style.
Posted by Oh Please!, a resident of the Foothill Place neighborhood, on Jan 21, 2011 at 8:24 am
People let's just get off this subject! This whole forum is supposed to be discussing the high school teams and how they are doing in league. It's a great way to have side conversations about how we think we (Pleasanton schools) are doing against De La Salle, etc. It's a wonderful forum to have and also to highlight players like the standout seniors: O'Neill, Contreras, Sun, Pierson, Johansen, King. I want to hear about these guys, are any of them getting scholarship offers?? Can anyone of our kids dunk like other teams? Let's keep the player bashing out of this. You talk about how they are just kids and yet you sit there LOLing the poor kid. What has the kid done to you? What has the father done to you personally?
Posted by HoopFan, a resident of the Pleasanton Meadows neighborhood, on Jan 21, 2011 at 8:38 am
Amador has a big game tonight against De La Salle. Jacob Contreras, Brandon King and Nate Johansen have their work out out for them. I think if they can still score agains the DLS defense, we are in for a good fight.
Foothill should win tonight. Chris O'Neill just needs to keep playing his game and FHS should come out on top against Granada.
Posted by Amador/Foothill, a resident of the Birdland neighborhood, on Jan 21, 2011 at 11:28 am
Bottom line is unfortunately this kid has to suffer through HS knowing that most families really can not stand his parents. Being humble and just wanting to play the sport with no strings attached would get you more support from your community, rather than putting a business together and favoring your child to play in order to pay for gym time is sick. Good thing the kid has good grades. Maybe he will have a shot of getting a scholarship but bottom line is really sad that no one really likes him for him.
I am sure he will start next year and Amador may win EBAL one day but it is doubtful if it is because of this kid.
Posted by That's pretty low, a resident of the Downtown neighborhood, on Jan 21, 2011 at 11:56 am
GOOD HEAVENS! That is a low blow. I really don't get how people here can feel good about themselves putting stuff out there like that. People have asked over and over again to leave the kids out of it. If you cannot put anything positive about someone here, please leave it out. I'm sick of hearing about how they hate the father or the mother or even the kid (and I bet it's just a few verbal people). I'm sure there are many people that I just don't like, but that doesn't mean I drag them and their children through the mud. This is very low indeed.