McNerney skips victory party as lead narrows to 121 votes over Republican challenger Comments on Stories, posted by Editor, Pleasanton Weekly Online, on Nov 3, 2010 at 11:29 am
The McNerney family voted along with thousands of others in Pleasanton and millions across the country yesterday in mid-term elections that saw major shifts in both the House of Representatives and the U.S. Senate.
Read the full story here Web Link posted Wednesday, November 3, 2010, 10:24 AM
Posted by Stacey, a resident of the Amberwood/Wood Meadows neighborhood, on Nov 3, 2010 at 11:29 am Stacey is a member (registered user) of PleasantonWeekly.com
"David Christensen, an Independent candidate, received 8,809 votes, or 5%"
There's a political party called the American Independent party that likes to capitalize on the fact that many people get confused enough to register as AI thinking it means "independent of a party". Christensen was the American Independent party's candidate. Web Link
Posted by Independent, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Nov 3, 2010 at 12:12 pm
@ Got this just now. Why?,
Yes, it costs money for a recount and usually it is the party who is behind that pays. I don't know what the law is in this case when it is so close. I would assume that someone else(maybe the state) should pay for a recount and it should be automatic. 121 votes is very close. Proves that every vote does count.
Posted by voter, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Nov 3, 2010 at 12:56 pm
Now I am really confused about the voting system here. Why on earth is he raising money to get votes counted after people have voted? Isn't getting the votes counted properly part of the election process? Is Harmer also raising money? So confused. . .
Posted by dedicated voter, a resident of the Pleasanton Valley neighborhood, on Nov 3, 2010 at 1:56 pm
Under California Election Code any voter may contest an election result, and that voter must pay the cost of recount (Section 15620-15634). Every state sets their own standards for recounts.
As far as I have been able to find in the election code there is NO provision for an automatic recount if the voting margin is less than 1%. If you can find this in actual code text, "radical," please quote it, with section number, and give your reference source.
"Radical," possibly you are confusing California Codes Election Codes SECTION 15360-15360.5, which basically states that 1% of the cast ballots chosen at random are manually counted.
Posted by Citizen Jane, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Nov 3, 2010 at 5:18 pm
Hi dublinmike - I too got fooled earlier today when checking the same web link you have above. I thought, wow, McNerney's pulled ahead in the count, but then realized that it was the count for Alameda county only, not the tally in the other three counties included in Congressional District 11.
I'm still pulling for Jerry -- a very decent man who is a hard worker and honestly has the best interests of our area in heart and mind.
Posted by Devon, a resident of the Apperson Ridge neighborhood, on Nov 3, 2010 at 5:25 pm
The way I see it, McNearny is a puppet. We need someone to truly represent us and not just vote along party line. We don't need Pelosi to represent us. We want our own representative. And if McNearny can't do the job, we need someone else. Even if McNearny wins, I hope he will start listening to his constituents because next time he won't be as lucky.
Posted by NO picketer, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Nov 3, 2010 at 9:14 pm
Yes, the web link above referred to the AIP mission regarding life. Even tho the Bible's only mention of life is "viability" , the AIP pickets hospitals & clinics believing there is life before viabililty. It would be good if the tea party thinned out those that belong in AIP. Normally, the only effect of AIP is to interfere with an otherwise clean election between the TWO parties. i.e. in this election, the monkey wrentch in the race.
Posted by Lucy McDonald, a resident of the Pleasanton Valley neighborhood, on Nov 4, 2010 at 1:13 am
Devon - You indicate that you want a representative who listens to constituents. I wonder if what you really mean is that you want a representative who agrees only with constituents like yourself. Our district is a very intersting one because of the nearly equal split between Democrats and Republicans, with a substantial "decline to state" wild card constituency.
I have contacted Mr. McNerney dozens of times over the last 4 years about proposed or pending legislation and have found him and his office to be extremely responsive. That does not mean that Mr. McNerney always votes the way I would like, but every inquiry I have made has received a thoughtful and reasoned response.
Mr. McNerney was rated as the most moderate member of California's Democratic delegation to the House of Representatives by the non-partisan and highly regarded National Journal. I somehow doubt he would have received such a rating if he were, as you characterize him, a "puppet" of Ms. Pelosi.
Posted by Chino Blanco, a resident of another community, on Nov 4, 2010 at 2:57 am
My latest tally shows McNerney up by 238. And the latest news is that David Harmer sent an email to his supporters implying irregularities in the vote counting: "We have reason for serious concern about the integrity of the count," according to Harmer. Web Link Doesn't sound like David expects to win this one.
Posted by No picketer, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Nov 4, 2010 at 8:51 am
Now, while it's still fresh in your mind, it would be a good time for independent thinkers who were 'mistakenly' registered in Am Ind Party ( A I P ) to RE register as Decline To State ( DTS )....not a party. It would also be the perfect time for 'life crusaders' TO register as AIP. It is the perfect time for those who like to impose their personal opinions on private lives of others to join AIP and stop interferring with real governmental issues of other parties.
Posted by bipartisan in Linden, a resident of another community, on Nov 4, 2010 at 10:04 am
Devon, have you looked at Harmer's career history? He's failed in the private sector, ran in his state of Utah and lost, moved to the 10th district, ran again and lost. Now he's run in the 11th district. Does this sound like a person who is committed and listening to the people he would represent? It certainly looks like a 'career move' with an eye on the eternal health care and retirement that comes with a Congressional seat. So why should he be concerned about those in our district who die due to lack of health care? Children who have been denied health care due to pre-exiting conditions deserve to die? Sounds like, "I've got mine - forget you".
Posted by Don't get it, a resident of the Pheasant Ridge neighborhood, on Nov 4, 2010 at 11:00 am
I just don't get it. We Repuplican's handed Obama his hat and I wake up on Wednesday morning and Brown is the Governer again and Boxer is headed back to the Senate. Every other State in the country Dems were looking for the truck that ran over them. PLEASE Harmer...pull this off so I can at least have some satisfaction watching the tax and spend to oblivion Menerney go down. The only answer I have is, CA is now an entitlement culture with most feeding at the Government breast. If you think the same people who got us into this mess can get us out...your all as dumb as you seem. What a mess this State is in, I am so blessed to have had the success and income levels that will keep my family fine even when it all comes crashing down and we head into bankruptcy. BROWN??? Are you friggen kidding me?
Posted by Juanita, a resident of San Ramon, on Nov 4, 2010 at 11:08 am
Jerry hasn't paid anyone to go vote. Did NOT pay me to walk door to door for him, and surely is not paying anyone to do a recount. We did all our work for Jerry on a volunteer basis. We support Jerry and volunteer are hard work for him because we want too.
Please stop spreading misinformation, the Harmer campaign has done enough of that already...
Posted by Member, a member of the Amador Valley High School community, on Nov 4, 2010 at 11:39 am
A candidate who is seeking money for a recount here is being dishonest.
Where the difference in the number of votes between two candidates is below a pre-set very small number, the law provides for an automatic recount, which is done by the government at the government's expense (i.e., using tax money like every other part of the election process).
These election results seem to qualify for the automatic recount.
If Jerry McNerney is trying to get money for a recount, he is being dishonest because the recount does not cost him anything.
Maybe he wants the money to try to influence the outcome.
Posted by Randy, a resident of the Pleasanton Valley neighborhood, on Nov 4, 2010 at 12:36 pm
1. Member - do your homework. A simple Google search for "California election recount law" will turn up the fact that there is no automatic recount law. A recount must be requested and paid for. If you can find something different, please let us know where.
2. I, like Lindon, looked at Harmers political history and came to the same conclusion. This is not a canidate looking to serve a community, but rather someone looking for an "oppertunity".
3. Don't get it - You would have "Mcnerney go down" based on a philosophical disagreement with his party affiliation alone. What you "Don't get" is the concept of a representative. You should address your opinions and beliefs directly to McNerney - I think you'll find that you recieve a respectfull hearing. There is no guarantee that he will act as you request - his "job" is to try and represent the entire community. I believe that he has and will act as an "honest representative" and fully consider ALL the input from the our LOCAL community in reaching his decisions.
4. I have not been in agreement with many of McNerney's votes and decisions but I do believe that he has honestly and faithfully tried to REPRESENT his voters in this evenly divided district. A representative whose allegiance is to a rigid philosophical viewpoint would disenfranchise half of our community.
Posted by To Member, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Nov 4, 2010 at 12:43 pm
Your implication that McNerney asking for contributions for a recount somehow means that he is trying to "influence the outcome" is a very interesting one. Would you say the same of your Harmer, then?
A quote from an article on the SFGate website today:
"But that didn't stop Harmer from issuing an e-mail bulletin to supporters implying irregularities in the vote counting. Harmer noted that he led in the election night ballot counting until the end, when the preliminary results, which include all votes cast at the polls as well as mail-in ballots received before election day, were tabulated. At that point, he said, McNerney took the lead - 82,124 to 82,003.
"If that sounds suspicious, it is," Harmer wrote in a message that requests contributions.
Posted by jimf01, a resident of another community, on Nov 4, 2010 at 1:09 pm jimf01 is a member (registered user) of PleasantonWeekly.com
A little bit funny that people are continuing the campaign here. The voting is done, so no need for that.
As long as we are at it, however, I think a few things are worth pointing out:
If Jerry McNerney had not subverted the will of his CA-11 constituents and instead voted against health care reform
If Jerry McNerney had made some effort to keep the Obama administration from pulling GM out of the NUMMI plant and killing thousands of jobs in his district (instead of touting EVI who produce nothing and create almost zero jobs)
If Jerry McNerney had lifted a finger to get the water pumps turned on for farmers in the valley
If Jerry McNerney had shown in his voting record, going 95%+ with the progressive caucus and the will of Nancy Pelosi
If Jerry McNerney had run a clean honest campaign, as David Harmer did, talking about accomplishments and goals instead of smearing his opponent (OK that would not have helped, maybe)
If Jerry McNerney, well I could go on...
If Jerry McNerney had actually served the voters of his district and represented their interests, and not inflated unemployment and voted for higher taxes and higher deficits, we might not be talking about uncounted ballots or a paper thin margin.
David Harmer has far more uncounted votes in SJ County than Jerry has in Alameda and Santa Clara County combined, you can take that to the bank. If we can get the votes counted in an honest way, David Harmer will be the next Congressman from CD-11.
Posted by Member, a member of the Amador Valley High School community, on Nov 4, 2010 at 1:18 pm
I have not found the specific law that says that an automatic recount occurs under particular circumstances for this particular election. However, no one has cited specific law that says that an automatic recount is NOT the result in this election.
It is true in many if not most places that an automatic recount occurs if the margin of victory on the initial vote count is smaller than a particular number of votes or smaller than a particular percentage. It is based on principles of fairness, due process, wanting to get it right, etc., and based on the knowledge that every counting system is subject to errors.
As evidence that counting systems are subject to error, every recount that I can remember comes up with a different number of votes for each candidate each time the count is done again.
There isn't any point to having people in this forum argue about whether there is an automatic recount or not. The appropriate legal authorities will make that decision and apply the law.
If every recount must be initiated by a candidate and paid for by the candidate, so be it. If those are the circumstances, then you can't really infer any evil motive by the candidate who loses in the first count by a razor thin margin and requests a recount.
Posted by No picketer, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Nov 4, 2010 at 1:39 pm
Pelosi has been running the government as Speaker for FOUR years, but the Dems will not pick her as Speaker again...guaranteed. When it's down to a few votes and a week of recounting, Jerry will be a very LUCKY guy to survive that. So, let's hope he heard the message loud and clear. We don't send our representatives to DC to copy cat other Dems, or be a PARTISAN puppet..that's OVER ! This time his only choice would be to actually 'represent' the people in his district ! There is no BIG victory ! Got it Jer ?? The 'protection' of Pelosi's squad will not there too shield you.
Posted by To Member, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Nov 4, 2010 at 1:49 pm
"If every recount must be initiated by a candidate and paid for by the candidate, so be it. If those are the circumstances, then you can't really infer any evil motive by the candidate who loses in the first count by a razor thin margin and requests a recount."
So are you then saying that (if there is no automatic recount by law) you are no longer accusing McNerney of trying to sway the outcome by his email to his supporters?
I would hope that is the case. It seems only honorable to be fair to both sides.
Posted by Randy, a resident of the Pleasanton Valley neighborhood, on Nov 4, 2010 at 4:26 pm
It is amazing how much bias appears to impact the thought process.
1. Member – “I have not found the specific law that says that an automatic recount occurs under particular circumstances for this particular election. However, no one has cited specific law that says that an automatic recount is NOT the result in this election.”
Stay away from the debate team – they would shred your logic.
I’m glad that you are now able to see that asking for (or preparing for) a recount is not an indication of an “evil motive”, by either canidate.
2. jimf01 – You seem to believe you have special knowledge of “the will of his CA-11 constituents” as it relates to healthcare. How many of these constituents did you talk to? Did you express your opinions and reasoning to McNerney prior to his vote or did you just yell? I did (express my opinion), he didn’t go the way I wanted but I believe he listened. I definately don't see the issue nearly as balck and white as you seem to. Reasonable men can agree to disagree, fools can not.
From following the news, I believe that it was Toyota that pulled the plug on NUMMI, am I wrong? I very seriously doubt “the Obama administration” ordered GM to pull out of NUMMI. They seemed to be having enough problems just trying to keep GM from going bankrupt.
I don’t know if McNerney “lifted a finger” or not to get the pumps turned on to the farmers. Given he has a lot of voters in the valley, it would really surprise me to learn he had made such a politically unwise decision. It’s more likely that an individual member of the house doesn’t have much real power to “get the pumps turned on”.
It’s amazing what bias can do to memory regarding political campaigns. I seem to recall lots of “negative” ads from both sides. It’s unfortunate but I guess the “wisdom of political advisors” is that it works.
Your statement that “If we can get the votes counted in an honest way, David Harmer will be the next Congressman from CD-11.” is most worrisome. Have you already made up your mind that any outcome except the one you desire is the result of fraud – that any belief other than yours is fraudulent?
Although I voted for McNerney (for the reasons given in my prior message); if Harmer were to ultimately win then I would accept him as my representative and hope that he would listen to my concerns and inputs on future votes.
3. Independent Voter – I wouldn’t be too concerned about Harmer claiming “irregularities”. Any vote as close as this one will be challenged by the loser, whether it were Harmer or McNerney. Harmers advisors are likely telling him that “irregularities” will resonate better with his political supporters (contributers) than “possible errors”. Sadly, I wouldn't expect anything more out of McNerney if the margin doesn't hold up through the absentee count.
Posted by Chino Blanco, a resident of another community, on Nov 5, 2010 at 5:54 am
All apologies for the religious angle in this link: Web Link
But as someone who volunteered two years of service abroad for the same church Harmer attends, I'm really disappointed to find him insinuating to his supporters - without a shred of proof - that the process has somehow been rigged against him.
For either candidate to send staff and volunteers and paid professionals to monitor the vote counting is all good, but to go further and suggest that there have been shenanigans at this early stage in such a close race is really beyond the pale and a regrettable move on David's part.
That said, whether it winds up being Jerry or David who pays for the recount, seeking contributions for that purpose is perfectly OK, and it ought to be seen as a good thing that - even in California - private citizens only need to find a few thousand dollars in order to request and fund a recount.
Whatever the eventual final result, I'd like to think that both sides are committed to making sure the candidate with the most votes is the one who takes office. Achieving that result is not going to be helped by creating a circus environment in which everyone's motives are questioned. That said, I do question David's motives in mentioning "voting irregularities" ... Seriously? How about keeping a watchful eye but otherwise keeping mum while we let the vote counters do their job to the best of their ability?
Posted by Chino Blanco, a resident of another community, on Nov 5, 2010 at 8:32 am
Hi there, radical:
If expecting better of David Harmer makes me a "mormon hater" ... well, whatever, so be it. You're talking to a former Mormon missionary, branch president, member of a 5th-generation Mormon family, yadda yadda, so good luck with that ad hominem.
Moving on, as a fairly reasonable, rational person, I don't feel particularly challenged by your request to "put myself in the candidate's shoes" ...
By your own account, David was leading by a small margin through the night. As we all know, by morning, he was trailing by a similarly small margin. Welcome to the pesky reality of small margins: by definition, if you're a candidate, they're not conducive to a good night's sleep and are prone to delivering unwelcome early-morning surprises.
David would have done better to simply, gracefully, and graciously accepted the shifting tallies and expressed hope for an eventual victory.
But that's not what he did, is it? Instead, he decided to rally his supporters with claims of "irregularities" ...
Hopefully, David's histrionics will not impact the vote counting process in any material way. I suspect they won't. That said, his outburst of paranoia and distrust remains unfortunate.
In any case, thanks for following my tweets. If you'd bothered to include the link embedded in that tweet of mine that you quoted, I think the context would be clear. Dispatching attorneys to monitor the process is one thing. Prefacing your announcement that a crew is on its way with suggestions that voter fraud is already under way is something else altogether.
By the way, just to update that old tweet, I now figure that McNerney is up by a whopping +568 votes.
Posted by Bob123, a resident of another community, on Nov 5, 2010 at 8:38 am
Hey guys ( and gals) let's all step back and try to look at this situation reasonably. The count is the first step and if a "recount" is necesary it looks like the requesting party is on the hook for the bill-- either of these guys has a National Party to back that bill without needing more donations. Regardless of who "wins" hopefully the victor will understand that this district is not a left leaning progressive district but frankly one that is more moderate ( althought there are certainly pockets on both ends of the spectrum). What we need is a representaive who does not blindly follow his parties leadership without a second thought on the effect it has on not only this district but the nation. I am sure both will try to appreciate that but I wonder if they will truly have the courage to do it.
Posted by radical, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Nov 5, 2010 at 8:47 am
yep bob you are right, in the case of cd-11 the mcnerney pocket is the sf bay area, most of the organized phone banking and canvassing was in berkeley oakland and sf where they have safe dem seats and worked to keep the only dem seat endangered in this election -- and they complain about carpetbagging
Posted by Randy, a resident of the Pleasanton Valley neighborhood, on Nov 5, 2010 at 12:08 pm
Member, to Memeber, and joan - Your reactive distrust in our election process says more about you than the groups you attack. Why assume that other Americans would be more willing to subvert the process than you would? Or are YOU ready to subvert our democratic processes to insure the "right" outcome?
Posted by Latest info..., a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Nov 5, 2010 at 12:39 pm
So, more info:
"Congressional District 11 GOP nominee David Harmer will seek a court order in Superior Court in Martinez this afternoon to stop the vote-by-mail signature verification process in Contra Costa County."
Posted by Stacey, a resident of the Amberwood/Wood Meadows neighborhood, on Nov 5, 2010 at 2:17 pm Stacey is a member (registered user) of PleasantonWeekly.com
That lawsuit is one of the reasons why I chose to still vote the old-fashioned way, by showing up at the polls. Also, I will never like a switch to all-electronic voting (there MUST be a paper trail) and I'm grateful for Debra Bowen decertifying Diebold. I want my vote to actually be counted and not let some politician manipulate the system to throw away my vote.
Posted by LucyMcDonald, a resident of the Pleasanton Valley neighborhood, on Nov 5, 2010 at 5:44 pm
I would be interested to know the source of your information about canvassers and phone bankers for McNerney. I have lived in what is now CA-11 since 1960, and was happy to make phone calls and do canvassing for Mr. McNerney. On the Saturday before the election, I canvassed precincts in the Stockton area, and was joined by hundreds of other very enthusiastic and determined volunteers. I also made phone calls from the Dublin campaign office on the weekend of October 23, and was heartened to see a crush of volunteers show up. Please provide a reliable source of information for your claims.
Posted by Resident, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Nov 5, 2010 at 8:09 pm
Don't get it:
I too do not understand why people voted for Jerry Brown, don't they see that the unions are a huge problem and will only grow under Brown's "leadership"?
But as far as Boxer and McNerney, I do understand. The reason we have Boxer re-elected and Harmer in such a close race with McNerney where in other states the republicans won, is because Fiorina is an extreme person and so is Harmer. Fiorina made it very clear that if the opportunity was there, she would vote to undo Roe v. Wade. Harmer is anti-choice, anti-gay marriage, was endorsed by Huckabee, McClintock and people/organizations like that (yikes!).
The GOP does not get it: just because Obama and the democrats are doing a horrible job, we will not vote for a GOP candidate just because. It has to be a good candidate. We will not go from the frying pan to the fire!
As much as I dislike Boxer and McNerney, I had to vote for them because there is no way the extreme Fiorina and Harmer would get my vote. And if Palin runs in 2012, then we will have Obama as president again (even if the Tea Party refuses to believe it, I voted for Obama because of Palin... until McCain picker her, I was going to vote for him)
Of course, those who listen to Rush do not get it. Look at his website full of nonsense. He justifies everything in favor of "conservative people" - O'Donell lost because the GOP did not get behind her, Fiorina lost because she followed the GOP lead and ran as a "moderate" (wonder where he got that from). Wake up GOP! People, at least in many places like California will not vote for your extreme right wing candidates.
Posted by McNerney Supporter, a resident of Dublin, on Nov 6, 2010 at 12:20 am
Someone very early on this board, commented that McNerney bought this election by paying volunteers to canvas and phone bank. That is a bold faced lie and dishonest. Shame on you. No volunteers were paid. That individual could be confusing what the Harmer campaign practices.
Grassroots efforts are people powered and no amount of money funneled into a campaign can trump those grassroot efforts. Remember, it takes a small village -- our village was on over drive! Not everyone can be "Roved" to death with misinformation, disinformation, distortion aka lies. Too often lies perpetuated on Faux News are masqueraded as fact when it's just an opinion manifested and amplified by the GOP's echo chamber and repeated by those who can't think critically. It's easier for some to listen to how you should think, instead of thinking for yourself. This is particularly interesting when you consider that less than half of Americans receive a higher education.
I think it's ironic that Harmer couldn't even vote for himself since he's doesn't live in the District. Carpetbagger.
Losing is hard, but a sore loser is worse. Harmer and those who supported him need to recognize the writing on the wall, he's not the favorite to win. The people have spoken and they have outnumbered you. Deal with it, otherwise you're in denial.
You go Jerry, the majority of voters believe in you, your votes, your efforts and standing up to what people need in terms of health care, social security, Veteran benefits it's the moral thing to do. Standing up to corporate interests who marginalize Americans and scare them with the "job card" can only go so far. We Americans only want our fair share of the American Pie and the Democrats know this.
Posted by radical, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Nov 6, 2010 at 9:22 am
you are right McSupporter i am quite certain no volunteers were paid -- that bceause when they got paid they were no longer volunteers
i am certain jerry had volunteers, ex nummi employees have a lot of spare time
you are also right that no paid effort can trump grassroots and volunteer efforts, as will be proved out by the final result, when all of the votes are counted harmer will come out ahead and it will be the GOP and tea party volunteers that put him there
and don't try to pretend that the greatest number of uncounted votes are not in SJ county where Harmer already leads by 4 points--a lead he held all night-- unless there is a big shift in that result there are more than enough San Joaquin to push harmer ahead and then jerry can decide if he wants to pay for a recount
Posted by radical, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Nov 6, 2010 at 9:33 am
and i had to take special note of this "Standing up to corporate interests who marginalize Americans and scare them with the "job card" can only go so far."
ba ha ha its quite apparent that jerry and the democrats were not scared by the 'job card' until the last weeks of the campaign when jerry ruefully complained about the lack of action on jobs from his progressive pals
Mr. McNerney said he understood why people were upset in the once-thriving district, which he said had undergone a "180-degree change" since his election in 2006.
"They’re saying, ‘Where are our jobs?’ " he said.
Like Mr. Harmer, Mr. McNerney is not thrilled with his party’s performance. "I don’t believe that the Democratic leadership spent enough attention on the economy, on creating jobs," he said. "I think that was a failure."
ooh those evil evil corporations playing the 'job card', wanting to make money and hire people, it is so unfair!!!!
Posted by Chet, a resident of San Ramon, on Nov 6, 2010 at 9:48 am
You forgot it was Bush/GOP leadership and policies that put our country into the deepest recession since the Great Depression. It is the leadership of Obama and McNerney that led us out of the recession. We would be doing much better and jobs would be coming back faster if the GOP would not have been getting in the way. We will never forgive the GOPers for the harm that have done to us all.
Posted by Randy, a resident of the Pleasanton Valley neighborhood, on Nov 6, 2010 at 12:41 pm
The objective of Town Square is "to be a thoughtful gathering place for sharing community information and opinion" - hopefully with the empathis on thoughtful.
The recount will proceed, the results will eventually be that either Harmer or McNerney "wins" by a whisker thin margin (duh). I would like to think that there are THREE groups of voters in CA11 - the radical right, the looney left, and the thoughtful middle. I would like to think the last group is the larger.
No amount of discussion with someone who has his/her mind made up will change their world view or generate "thoughtfull discussion" - it will simply devolve into name calling and empty "truths".
Mr. Radical has repeatedly demonstrated a lack of accuracy and credibility e.g.
"Posted by radical, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Nov 3, 2010 at 1:00 pm
WRONG - under 1% margin = automatic recount
mcnerney is PAYING people to go to recount, just like he paid people to canvass, paid people to phonebank, and bought votes with his color mailer SMEAR campaign against harmer."
As a "noise source" his barbs should simply be ignored. He appears to be an "attention troll"
As a lead-in to a thoughtfull discussion: what should the "thoughtfull middle" input to our representative (who ever he is) be? Are we really looking at 2 years of government that can't get anything done due to unreasoned partisonship?
Posted by LucyMcDonald, a resident of the Pleasanton Valley neighborhood, on Nov 6, 2010 at 1:26 pm
Still waiting for you to supply a reliable source for your claim that Mr. McNerney's canvassers and phone bankers were paid.
As a committed volunteer who was most definitely NOT paid, I believe you owe this to me and the hundreds of other hard-working volunteers who contributed our precious evening and weekend hours to help re-elect Mr. McNerney.
Your unsourced and unsubstantiated claims and your irresponsible and inflammatory rhetoric do nothing to serve the purpose of informed, useful debate. This is not to suggest that you should not state your own OPINIONS as strongly as you wish, but if you are going to make claims about mattters of fact, which can be either proven or disproven, please supply some evidence to substantiate them.
I'm sure I am not the only one here who would wish you to make your comments in a more reasonable, adult manner.
Posted by Randy, a resident of the Pleasanton Valley neighborhood, on Nov 6, 2010 at 8:34 pm
radical - I thought the problem of the last two years was the perception that too MUCH had been done (TARP, health care, etc.) not too little. Now we are truly in danger of facing a gridlock where nothing, good or bad, gets done.
If agreements (aka that dirty word compromise) cannot be reached, then taxes will increase as the current tax cuts expire (a good way to reduce the national debt) but likely disastrous for the recovery – not good for either party.
I guess the real test will be when it comes time to raise the debt limit. If many of our newest Representatives hold firmly to their campaign positions then the US government will begin to shut down (here in California we know how that works).
If things go from bad to worse there will be plenty of blame to be thrown around next election – but the damage to our country and citizens will still have taken place.
Do you see a way out that has a chance of working?
Posted by Confused, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Nov 6, 2010 at 9:50 pm
"radical" says "i am certain jerry had volunteers, ex nummi employees have a lot of spare time"
But wait, wasn't it the pro-Harmer folks who faulted McNerney, Pelosi, and Boxer for somehow causing the failure of the Nummi plant and losing those jobs? I'm pretty darn sure that I've read that assertion over and over and over again on this here forum. So wait, if that's the case, why in heck's name would an ex-nummi employee volunteer for Jerry McNerney's campaign??
To restate: if an ex-Nummi employee truly believed that they had lost their jobs because of some action/inaction of the Democrats in this area, why would they be supporting said Democrats??
Logic, if "radical" adhered to logic, would argue otherwise. Please, "radical", please explain your logic to us on this point.
Posted by Jerry, a resident of the Bonde Ranch neighborhood, on Nov 7, 2010 at 10:07 am
No politically correct answers please. I am jewish and it was just a comparision to how we just followed along to our union leaders and mindlessly voted the way the asked us to and in the end were betrayed by the very people we voted for and counted on to help us. Jerry Mcnerney did absolutely nothing to help us nor did Boxer, Arnie or any of the others. Actually they contributed to our demise by continuing to make California a poor place to do business. People who have money and businesses are leaving this state in droves. Companies funded by Obama like Solydnia (sic) and Tesla are going out of business, Solydnia, and really struggling, Tesla, will not make it.