Posted by It's a long list, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Sep 21, 2010 at 11:19 am
Actually, it's the people who rationalize, justify, receive, allow, and/or approve of this public theft who should be run out of town.
Go to Columns by DANIEL BORENSTEIN at, www.ContraCostaTimes.com for many, many stories like this. For the staggering and appalling details of this particular story on that site find article .... Manager's top pay leads to a huge pension by Daniel Borenstein. The Times also has a site listing all of CA public employees paid over $100,000. year. Definitely worth checking out....particularly if you're out of work, or on furlough, with lots of extra time on your hands. I bet you would work for less, making you and the taxpayers happier ! ! Oh, right, ever since Gov Jerry Moonbeam gave CA PUBLIC EMPLOYEE unions 30 yrs ago, taxpayers don't have the freedom to hire the best workers, for the least pay ( plus the windfall pot of gold that does not exist in the private world.)
Posted by Al, a resident of San Ramon, on Sep 21, 2010 at 11:34 am
I agree. Where do they come up with these salaries? I think just because these towns have the money not because the jobs warrant such pay. And what about the big benefits we will pay for forever. Lets put an end to this madness.
Posted by Levity, a resident of the Downtown neighborhood, on Sep 21, 2010 at 1:56 pm
Not much different than Wall Street, or companies like Enron, except this is public service.... Just to stir the pot. Pleasanton is currently paying 70 retired employee's full pensions in excess of $100K per year with some approaching $200K 70 X and avg. of $125K is $8.75M PER YEAR. And it will only get worse over time. Where does anyone think the money is going to continue to come from to pay for this? The current plan says this will go on forever unless someone changes the rules. I'm all for retirement, but to have that kind of obligation for 30 to 40 years just isn't right.
Posted by Yet Another Teacher, a member of the Hart Middle School community, on Sep 22, 2010 at 7:15 am
Pleasanton parent wrote: "Wall street actually generates value - there is a quantifiable return to measure against."
Hm, I don't know if I'd want to hold Wall Street up as an example in this argument if I were you.
Aren't these Wall Street geniuses the ones who melted the global economy and required a multi-trillion dollar bailout by the governments of the United States and the European Union?
Biggest welfare queens on the planets, and then these bunglers whined when they didn't get their million-dollar bonuses.
Wall Street produces nothing of value. Does anybody know what a "derivative" is? I think it's a very fancy term for "Ponzi scheme".
I will give credit to the Wall Street thieves, though: (most of) their theft was legal, thanks to their wholesale ownership of Congress and the Obama administration, and they got the taxpayers to cover them 100%.
Wall Street brokerage firms are nothing but Vegas gamblers who have a guarantee that, win or lose, the middle-class taxpayers of this country will ensure their bonuses, salaries, and profits.
Wall Street is divorced from the realities of the marketplace. It's not capitalism, it's piracy.
Posted by anonymous, a resident of the Grey Eagle Estates neighborhood, on Sep 22, 2010 at 8:31 am
After reading all of these comments, I think the city officials should be paid MORE for having to listen to all of the bitching and moaning. Don't like it? Then go get hired at a city, and walk in their shoes...It is a negative ride, I am sure..
By the way..I am a citizen, and a CEO of a company, making more than a city manager or mayor, and I wouldn't have their job for what I make in my own company! Just too much negativity, just like this forum
Let's try to support our city employees. After all, they are all caught up in the same BS every company has, except they are unlucky enough to be in the public eye..
Posted by Stan, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Sep 22, 2010 at 8:32 am
Park Directors making more than the Governor of California, City Managers making nearly as much as the President of the United States, Public Union employees getting raises in this economy .. this is insane ...
Posted by DB, a resident of the Pleasanton Heights neighborhood, on Sep 22, 2010 at 8:33 am
What do Pleasanton Mayor, City Council, City Manager and other City officials and managers get paid? Does anyone know? It is not broken out in the city financial statements posted on the web; although these statements do show a "training" budget for city council - I wonder that that is for...
Posted by Politics as Ususal, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Sep 22, 2010 at 8:55 am
Listen, any city or goverenment position paying more than $100,000. should be changed. If the general population of the city or state you govern makes that amount, I guess it would be OK but there needs to be a CAP. ALL positions normally have CAPS meaning no matter how long or how hard you work you can not make Above a certain point established for that position.
There is no way you can measure how miserable your job is and Then be compansated accordingly, that's laughable ~ You don't want the position, your job is so miserable, quit and get another one that suits you better. One mans garbage is another mans treasure ~
Posted by KLM, a resident of the Stoneridge neighborhood, on Sep 22, 2010 at 9:05 am
Everyone has complained about the salaries being paid to not only “city managers” but to all employees of various governmental agencies. Everyone is griping that they are overpaid but no one has said what they are willing to spent to have a well run city and feel safe in their homes. What is a fair salary for an administrator that over sees a 200 million dollar business, whether it is a high tech company or a city? What is a fair salary for a policeman/fireman, who are considered overpaid by some until they need one, then they are worth every penny that they get paid to put out your house fire. There is a price that has to be paid to maintain our level of comfort, some are willing to pay while others would just like to complain without offering a solution.
Posted by Rick, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Sep 22, 2010 at 10:30 am
Government by it's nature will be corrupt, unless we monitor what these people do. Apparently they have been gifting themselves lots of money and playing golf with those who decide these issues. AT least it's out in the open how crooked they are instead of getting paper bags full of money..........or maybe they still do that too.
Posted by b, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Sep 22, 2010 at 3:28 pm
I find it ironic that the "vote the bums out" people also claim to be the free market people. If you want to attract competent people to a job, you need to pay market-rate salaries to attract the strongest candidates. Otherwise, why would someone take the job? There are LOTS of smart people earning $100k+ in Silicon Valley, and don't have to endure having their salary posted on the Internet for their neighbors to see. Do you really want a City Manager who is willing to work for $20k? American Free Market 101.
Posted by Elle, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Sep 22, 2010 at 4:38 pm
If your salary is paid by my tax dollars, I deserve to know how much you make, period. Private companies can keep that info to themselves if they want, but public employee wages should be subject to transparency rules.
Posted by Nurse Shark, a resident of the Bridle Creek neighborhood, on Sep 22, 2010 at 4:57 pm
Yeah! The lamestream media somehow also neglected to run a story about how the heads of Halliburton, Enron,Worldcom, Bear Stearns, Goldman Sachs, Countrywide, and all those other corrupt corporations were...REPUBLICANS!! Gasp!!!
Posted by voter, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Sep 22, 2010 at 5:52 pm
to B: $20k, no of course not. $150k, sure. $350k + huge pension spiked by sick days etc, I don't think so. There are plenty of people who would do that job happily and extremely competently for $150 - 200k.
Posted by Pleasanton Parent, a resident of the Pleasanton Meadows neighborhood, on Sep 22, 2010 at 9:03 pm
Personally, I blame the politicians for the bailout - we could have let those companies fail - the government, IMO, should have "controlled" the crash to minimize the damage, but the companies that were "too big to fail" should have been allowed to fail and we should have allowed new players to emerge and fill the need in that market space.
Regarding government salaries. Government jobs historically offered exceptional benefits/retirement, with average salaries, and job stability.
The higher salaries, bonuses, etc offered by the private sector are meant to compensate employees for their willingness to take an additional risk (job stability) and to generate returns......basic economics risk/return.
Sometime over the last decade politicians allowed union leaders (and themselves) to convince each other that they too were entitled to the inflated bonuses, salaries, etc that the internet spawned....and they locked in multi year contracts without adequate provisions for adjustments based on economic adjustments.
So do I believe a city manager should make $20k/yr; no. $359k per year - maybe (most likely not however) but it should be comeserate to their job responsibilities and when San Jose's city manager is making far less, but has a much greater population and area to manage it makes one wonder.
Bell is the Enron of the public sector, so in both instances I write them off as an outlier and not reflective of the norm.
Posted by b, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Sep 23, 2010 at 9:36 am
At the end of the day, it is a simple supply-demand market. You free-market Tea Partiers should understand this.
Running a city is a specialization, like any other job. It requires managerial skills to run a 500-person organization, diplomatic skills to deal with all the politics, and lots of other specialized skills that are built up over a career in city management. If there are lots of people who build up those skills over time and enter the pool of candidates for city management positions, salaries will get pushed down. But if there aren't enough people who build up the right skillset (and who are willing to cope with all you whiners), then salaries get pushed up. It doesn't necessarily matter what the equivalent private sector salary is, as the skillsets aren't completely interchangeable. At the end of the day, if one city is willing to pay their city manager $150k and another is willing to pay $300k, guess who's going to hire the stronger candidate? Free Market 101.
The Governor and President analogies are apple/oranges comparisons. Those aren't career jobs, and Barack and Arnold didn't take those jobs for the salaries. They ran for elected office for the prestige, power and service. On the other hand, city management is a career--the people who take those jobs are career strivers like most of us.
Posted by Fact Check, a resident of the Downtown neighborhood, on Sep 23, 2010 at 10:21 am
I am going to note that NO ONE complained of this when times were good! I am also going to ASSUME that NONE of these 70 you mention below are Republican and or Tea Party Patriots?
And I am sure that if they are, these people would be more than happy to give the pension funds back and take no more "handouts" on the tax payers dime?
"Posted by Levity, a resident of the Downtown neighborhood, on Sep 21, 2010 at 1:56 pm
Not much different than Wall Street, or companies like Enron, except this is public service.... Just to stir the pot. Pleasanton is currently paying 70 retired employee's full pensions in excess of $100K per year with some approaching $200K 70 X and avg. of $125K is $8.75M PER YEAR. And it will only get worse over time. Where does anyone think the money is going to continue to come from to pay for this? The current plan says this will go on forever unless someone changes the rules. I'm all for retirement, but to have that kind of obligation for 30 to 40 years just isn't right."
Posted by It's a long list, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Sep 23, 2010 at 6:56 pm
Shark, you PUFF and you puff by your phony phacts and web line shows nothing, you don't know as much as you pretend....you're likely oned of thed 'union negotiators'. Most companies & mayors you listed are NOT REpub....you're ancient blather doesn't make it so.
Posted by It's a long list, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Sep 23, 2010 at 7:30 pm
KLM, Nobody is talking about fire PAY.....it's always about public union RETIREMENT & BENEFITS, except regarding BOOSTING and tampering with actual PAY numbers used in calculating retirement....don't confuse real pay with retirement discussions. Pay is agreeable to all, so we don't need those that try to make it sound like meanies begrudging pay....not the case. It's high.. even the kids get #100k packages. But retirements....particularly boosted retirememts (which most are today) are truly obscence, arrogant, dishonest, and unrealistic.
Posted by It's a long line, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Sep 23, 2010 at 8:14 pm
PW FOLKS BETTER SHARPEN UP A BIT. We all know who Nurse Shark is and that was pretending and spoofing 'It's a long line'...who had a several factual comments AFTER NURSE SHARK POSING and FAKING as 'it's a long line'.......ANYBODY who could READ would know which was which....sorry PW couldn't tell which was which in their thoughless removal. I guess pw was showing their colors.