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McNerney: "Eliminate the Middle Class"

Original post made by Pete on Sep 19, 2010

It is the goal of the Obama Administration, including Jerry McNerney, to completely eliminate the middle class in America. And they are succeeding.

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Wake up.

Comments (43)

Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore
on Sep 19, 2010 at 7:55 am

oh my...


Posted by Nurse Shark, a resident of Canyon Creek
on Sep 19, 2010 at 8:01 am

So THAT'S why the don't want to extend tax cuts to the most wealthy 2% of Americans and are trying (against GOP opposition) to give them to the middle class instead!

Oh, wait...

(how do you do a roll-y eye emoticon?)


Posted by one born every minute, a resident of Del Prado
on Sep 19, 2010 at 9:27 am

Hey Nurse Shark, I have a beautiful, orange bridge that I'm selling. Are you interested in buying it?


Posted by Nurse Shark, a resident of Canyon Creek
on Sep 19, 2010 at 9:52 am

Mmm..well, my budget is still suffering somewhat from the damage Bush did to our economy, so how about a trade? I have a tinfoil hat that'll drown out communist/elitist brainwaves and some beans I got from a Republican that he says will magically grow the economy.

Deal?


Posted by one born every minute, a resident of Del Prado
on Sep 19, 2010 at 12:30 pm

No thanks, you'll be needing those later since you seem to think one brand of politician gets us into trouble and the other brand gets us out of trouble. You can use the beans to trade for stale bread and then wrap it in foil. Good luck!


Posted by Pete, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 19, 2010 at 12:48 pm

Nurse Shark,
I was not a total supporter of Bush's policies...because it was very apparent that he was not a true conservative. He should have wielded his veto pen much more regarding spending, for example.

Bush's policies left us with a mild-to-moderate recession, depending on your view, however Obama expanded that recession and spending exponentially to where many say we are in a depression...with few economists optimistic about a quick recovery.

You seem to be engaged in politics and are not exclusively a "character basher" of any conservative who has an opposite opinion.

On the above economy topic, have you heard about the "Cloward-Piven Strategy?"


Posted by Nurse Shark, a resident of Bridle Creek
on Sep 19, 2010 at 1:05 pm

Let's see..."Cloward-Piven"...? Oh yes, here it is: I have it filed between "Birthers" and "Death Panels" in my conspiracy files.


Posted by Pete, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 19, 2010 at 1:10 pm

So please tell me why you feel this is only a conspiracy and is not in fact being carried out.

This strategy is being followed nearly 100% by Obama.


Posted by Stacey, a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Sep 19, 2010 at 1:19 pm

Stacey is a registered user.

"because it was very apparent that he was not a true conservative"

The November election will be exciting to see. The Tea Partiers are busy purging the GOP of the electable moderates and replacing them with unelectable extremist candidates. They're doing more damage to the GOP's chances of regaining Congress than the Democrats ever could. Web Link


Posted by Nurse Shark, a resident of Bridle Creek
on Sep 19, 2010 at 1:33 pm

I have a couple of reasons:

1. Modern discussion of the "strategy" has been dominated by far-right rhetoric, with overly dramatic language such as "radical" and "destroy America" that undermines the credibility of the argument

2. It resonates with some simply because the human mind constantly wants to see patterns, even when they aren't there. We see faces in wood grain and popcorn ceilings for this same reason. Can someone with a political agenda exploit this tendency in the human mind? Easily. We've seen similar hysteria and paranoia in witch hunts, McCarthyism, etc.

3. The demagogic nature of those proposing the theory is quite evident in many of their other conspiracy theories and inflammatory arguments.

4. Occam's Razor: the far more likely reason the Dems have passed legislation protecting consumers from corporate abuses and providing a better health safety net is because they're concerned that a lot of Americans are suffering, and they believe the job of the government is to protect its people. A secret conspiracy to destroy America is far, far less probable.

5. Applying the simple question "why?" The Dems have the House. The Dems have the Senate. The Dems have the White House. Why would they secretly conspire to destroy America? Why would they poop on their own plate?

I could go on and on, but I hope you see my point.


Posted by Nurse Shark, a resident of Bridle Creek
on Sep 19, 2010 at 1:43 pm

Stacey:

I agree--it's fascinating. The Tea Partiers may end up with some seats, but these are people with no experience, no influence, no seniority in Congress (I think the loss of senior committee positions will really hurt the GOP), and who cannot afford to compromise or build consensus with others without alienating their base. In other words, even if they win, they can't succeed in Washington. It's like watching an army's troops shoot a bunch of their top officers before going into battle.

The GOP is still feeling the sting of some staggering losses in '08, and divided, they may fall even further by 2012, especially if Palin's influence continues to grow. Could this be the beginning of the end of the GOP? If they don't learn to compromise and tone down the rhetoric, I think it may be.


Posted by Pete, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 19, 2010 at 1:45 pm

NS,
At least you have some rationale why you dismiss the Cloward-Piven Strategy...although I completely disagree with you.

Obama taught Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals" methods.
Obama had high regard for the Cloward-Piven Strategy to overwhelm the system with welfare and debt. That is happening presently.

Did you know that Obama recently appointed Frances Fox Piven (a self-described Socialist) to the Board of Project Vote...which has in the past overseen ACORN, among other projects aimed to increase voter registration (often illegal)?

If you have any room within your mindset to be open to read more about the Cloward-Piven Strategy, I would encourage you to read this... Web Link

If your mindset is carved in stone, then I'll not waste any more of each other's time.

Regards




Posted by one born every minute, a resident of Del Prado
on Sep 19, 2010 at 1:45 pm

Stacey,

Look around you. It's time to stop electing "the electable" from either party and find people who will represent us instead of acting in their own best interest or simply doing what their leaders tell them to do. Ridicule and criticize the Tea Party movement all you want but perhaps it's time you started demanding changes in the party that you think represents your interests and beliefs. It's time to claan house. And to those of you who think continuing to elect "the electable" is good game plan or who think that Democrats are good and Republicans are bad...or vice versa....I still have a bridge for sale.


Posted by Pete, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 19, 2010 at 1:54 pm

Stacey,
I also am afraid that you may be right.
However, I'll submit to you that having RINOs in Congress is often times worse. Among other things, it confounds the public into questioning what conservatism really is. What good is it to have an Arlen Specter, Olympia Snowe, Susan Collins, etc. when they turn around and support Dem policies.

Personally, I believe this November election is America's last chance for freedom. If the House is not won by conservatives, it will be almost impossible to stop the destruction of America's free-enterprise system. The floodgates of illegal immigration will be opened. More unskilled workers, more welfare-dependent families, more business-choking regulations, and on and on.

I pray that the Obama Admin. will be stopped.


Posted by Nurse Shark, a resident of Bridle Creek
on Sep 19, 2010 at 2:01 pm

"If the House is not won by conservatives, it will be almost impossible to stop the destruction of America's free-enterprise system. The floodgates of illegal immigration will be opened."

Pete,

Don't forget that the Ringwraiths will come pouring out the gates of Mordor and Saruman's Uruk-hai will march through the Farmer's Market impaling babies and bruising the Fuji apples...


Posted by Pete, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 19, 2010 at 2:06 pm

Nurse Shark,
I tried to have a conversation with you withholding any snide comments and character bashing against you. Tho you apparently could not do the same. Sorry to have wasted both of our time.

Regards


Posted by Nurse Shark, a resident of Bridle Creek
on Sep 19, 2010 at 2:13 pm

Now I feel bad about mocking your extremist views. I'm willing to walk ti back a bit: What if I said they'll only impale "Terror Babies"?


Posted by Stacey, a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Sep 19, 2010 at 2:51 pm

Stacey is a registered user.

one born,

I do not belong to a party because there's no national party that represents my interests and beliefs. And I'm going to guess that most Americans feel that way. That's why the two national parties are always chasing after the independent vote; they can never form a majority.


Posted by Stacey, a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Sep 19, 2010 at 2:56 pm

Stacey is a registered user.

Pete,

What exactly is conservatism, really? In order for the public to be confounded, there has to be a consensus on the meaning and I think that is very difficult to achieve because the anti-intellectualism of populism hinders the formation of that consensus. Moreover, such meanings change over time. Take for example your worry regarding the destruction of America's free-enterprise system. What do you really mean by "free-enterprise system"? The conservatives of the past were big on using government to regulate trade. Their economic beliefs can be summed up under the term "mercantilism". Do you think that this older form of conservatism is the "real" conservatism? It doesn't jive with the newer economic beliefs in wholly free markets espoused by the very liberal neocons, of which Bush represents.


Posted by Pete, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 19, 2010 at 3:11 pm

Stacey,
Fair and important question.

My simple definition to conservatism is an adherence to the bounds of the US Constitution...and that this Constitution is not a "living and breathing document" unless it is changed via the Amendment process.

We've strayed so far from it and there are culprits on both sides of the party aisles who are responsible.


Posted by Matt Morrison, a resident of Pleasanton Meadows
on Sep 19, 2010 at 3:37 pm

Matt Morrison is a registered user.

"The task of giving concrete meaning to the term 'liberty', like the task of defining other concepts such as 'commerce among the States,' 'due process of law', and 'unreasonable searches and seizures' was part of the work assigned to future generations of judges."

--Justice John Paul Stevens, The Third Branch of Liberty (1986) 41 U. Miami L. Rev. 277, 291.


Posted by Matt Morrison, a resident of Pleasanton Meadows
on Sep 19, 2010 at 3:40 pm

Matt Morrison is a registered user.

Happy belated Constitution Day! :~)

223 years old this September 17th just passed.


Posted by Pete, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 19, 2010 at 3:42 pm

Stacey,
PS...I find it very revealing that because I am a Constitutionalist, that I am branded by the left ... like Nurse Stark, Janna, and others...as an "extremist."

I suppose that one could argue that the Founding Fathers were also "extremists" to want independence from England. If so, I suppose I am an "extremist."


Posted by Nurse Shark, a resident of Bridle Creek
on Sep 19, 2010 at 4:16 pm

Well, no. I guess I should clarify. I think you're an extremist because you claim that unless the conservatives be voted into power, the sun will be blotted out from the sky, immigrants will overrun our country like a swarm of locusts and that our president is cackling with glee in his secret lair while plotting the destruction of civilization.

Constitutionalism I'm okay with.


Posted by Chet, a resident of San Ramon
on Sep 19, 2010 at 4:59 pm

It seems very strange to accuse our fine Congressman Jerry McNerney of doing anything negative toward the middle class. He currently supports continuing the current tax cuts, he works hard for our soldiers, veterans and families. If you want a Congressman that lives in our district and understands the problems of the middle class you better vote for Jerry McNerney!!


Posted by Pete, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 19, 2010 at 5:33 pm

Chet,
Then you are either telling the PW readers on this board that McNerney either...

1. doesn't understand Obama's agenda and votes for it anyway, or

2. doesn't believe in Obama's agenda but votes for it anyway (since he votes 95%+ with Pelosi).

Which is it Chet?


Posted by Chet, a resident of San Ramon
on Sep 19, 2010 at 5:57 pm

Our fine Congressman Jerry McNerney has correctly been picked as one of the most independent members of Congress. He represents the people of his district and that is how he votes and will continue to vote when we again make the right choice in November.


Posted by Pete, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 19, 2010 at 6:36 pm

Chet,
Now you've really made me laugh out loud!
"One of the most INDEPENDENT members of Congress!!!???"

That's probably true if you define "independent" as voting consistently with Nancy Pelosi...the most leftwing Chairperson EVER...only 95% of the time vs. 99-100%

You are a huge JOKE Chet...as is McNerney!


Posted by Stacey, a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Sep 19, 2010 at 9:55 pm

Stacey is a registered user.

Pete wrote: "this Constitution is not a "living and breathing document" unless it is changed via the Amendment process."

I think you may be confusing two different concepts: interpretation and operation. As you point out, the Constitution has a process for changing it. That certainly makes it a "living and breathing" document. At the same time, that process is oftentimes difficult to achieve so in many ways the document is an old curmudgeon that doesn't like to change. :) The two ideas are not at all contradictory. That's the operational aspect.

Interpretation is different. What is referred to as "living and breathing" is a method of textual interpretation that takes into account the changes in society between then and now. Another way to interpret text is to say it is an "enduring" document, that the meanings of things don't change. As Matt Morrison pointed out, interpretation is often the job of the Supreme Court.


Posted by unclehomerr.., a resident of Downtown
on Sep 19, 2010 at 10:19 pm

"Living and breathing" is a concept developed by people who want to bend the rules to suit their point of view. It's akin to flexing a contract after it's been signed. A contract [constitution] means what it says.. and says what it means.

If society changes... the amendment process is designed to accommodate changing societal needs.

It's an amazing document put together by amazing people!

unclehomerr..


Posted by Stacey, a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Sep 19, 2010 at 10:32 pm

Stacey is a registered user.

Such interpretation styles go back to the Founding too. Check out the history of the 9th Amendment and the whole reason why the Bill of Rights was added. There was concern then that the Constitution, without the Bill of Rights, didn't do enough to protect rights. When they sought to add a list of rights, the concern became that it would lead to limiting rights to only what was listed!


Posted by Stacey, a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Sep 19, 2010 at 10:33 pm

Stacey is a registered user.

Oh, and by the way, the assault on the middle class in this country is a much more complex problem than tax cuts can solve.


Posted by dublinmike, a resident of Dublin
on Sep 19, 2010 at 10:39 pm

dublinmike is a registered user.

"Eliminate the middle class" That tells how you how you are so out of touch.

Get a life.


Posted by Just my opinion, a resident of Pleasanton Heights
on Sep 20, 2010 at 9:36 am

How can anyone expect a "contract" devised over 200 years ago to apply today without some living and breathing? It like putting a horse and buggy into the Indy 500.


Posted by Kemo Sabe, a resident of Golden Eagle
on Sep 20, 2010 at 10:16 am

I think something is very, very wrong with the congress and White House when 15+ states have filed a lawsuit against Obamacare. I don't recall this happening in the last 50-75 years, maybe longer.

Something wrong!


Posted by john, a resident of Pleasanton Heights
on Sep 20, 2010 at 10:23 am

The Obama admin that never takes responsibility for anything that goes wrong is on track to eliminate the Middle Class of America especially if he gets re-elected. Thus America must take another road with another candidate who hopefully will not just look to line their own pockets but do what they were elected to do.

A noble deed for a candidate to work for the people! But that is the job...and between Bush and Obama they have been utter failures...we can do better and must..otherwise the Caste system will be the future for America...and if you think it couldn't get any worse.....just wait and see. We can avoid all that...Elect another but keep Obama out of the White House....He has Failed us all.


Posted by Dominic, a resident of Del Prado
on Sep 20, 2010 at 11:07 am

McNerney must go---he is not good for Pleasanton, California, or America. He only votes the same way as Pelosi over 90% of the time - he is mostly about Democratic Social Agenda and not for his constituency...To turn Cali around, we need to start sending better representation to Washington...Let's throw this bum out!


Posted by Ann, a resident of Del Prado
on Sep 20, 2010 at 11:08 am

Kick the bums out!!!


Posted by Kemo Sabe, a resident of Golden Eagle
on Sep 20, 2010 at 11:40 am

The Obamacare legislation cannot be repealed with Obama in office, BUT the funding for it should not go forward. There are too many better ideas to enhance and reduce costs of our current health care versus the plan that the congress jammed through.


Posted by Nitegama, a resident of another community
on Sep 20, 2010 at 2:26 pm

Oh please the Koch supported Bush administration has already broken the middle class..they continued what Reagan started many moons ago. this is a far right newsletter you are referring to


Posted by Chet, a resident of San Ramon
on Sep 20, 2010 at 6:56 pm

For the record we could never have a better Congressman that Jerry McNerney in supporting issues most important to the middle class. He also has been selected by the independent "National Review" as one of the most independent members of Congress. Jerry makes his votes always considering the needs of district 11. Jerry lives in and fully understands our district. We need to be sure we send Jerry back to Washington to represent us.


Posted by Patriot, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 20, 2010 at 8:50 pm

"Living and breathing" is a concept developed by people who want to bend the rules to suit their point of view."

So tell me uncle, if you can, were in the constitution does Sara Palin get the right to use my tax dollars to bail out failed banks?

Web Link


Posted by Patriot, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 20, 2010 at 9:34 pm

That should be "where in the constitution".


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