Day 26...No Word from McNerney on His Position on Ground Zero Mosque State, National, International, posted by SpeakUpJerry!, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Sep 9, 2010 at 8:42 am
I have politely inquired at one of his offices about what his position is on Ground Zero Mosque. Yet, I have received nothing. Not a peep.
And we hear more news from the Imam that is a threat to America...if we do not allow the mosque to be built at ground zero.
McNerney...what is your position? Are you going to bow to this Imam's threat?
Posted by Rae, a resident of the Mohr Park neighborhood, on Sep 9, 2010 at 9:22 am
Once again, "SUJ",
As long as the building/land the Muslim Cultural/Prayer Center is planned for is zoned appropriately, the 1st Amendment, the very first right granted in the Bill of Rights, is VERY clear that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;"
Congress, i.e. the government or its representatives, doesn't get to make a call on whether or not the Muslim Cultural/Prayer Center should be built or prohibited. This Center is protected under the 1st Amendment.
It's been really interesting watching the same folks who like to say they are the "defenders of the Constitution" which is being "ripped to shreds" by anyone left of far right, working real hard to prohibit this Center from being built.
I guess maybe those self-proclaimed "defenders of the Constitution" mean that the rights laid out in the Constitution should be defended only when applied to, what?? Christian? white? straight? non-immigrant? assault weapon owners? Americans born anywhere except Hawaii?
Imam Rauf wasn't making a threat. Frankly, he sounded a lot like General Petraeus did when he layed out the consequences and danger to our American service men and women now serving overseas.
The kind of fear-mongering and vitriolic rhetoric towards Muslims by conservatives like the author of the opinion piece you referenced, as well as the Florida "pastor" who is planning to burn Qurans on 9/11, are doing more to incite terrorism, both domestically towards peaceful Muslims and internationally from radical terrorists, than the near-"ground zero" Muslim Center ever could.
Posted by toRae, a resident of another community, on Sep 9, 2010 at 9:47 am
since you make clear that 1st amendment rights trump all arguments of whether something is right or wrong, then you would also agree that the Florida pastor who wants to burn the Koran, and the pleasanton shouting preachers have the same 1st amendment rights, and we should not ask or encourage any of these three groups to exercise their 1st amendment rights in a somewhat different way?
I could think of lots of ways to exercise my free speech rights that would irritate lots and lots of people. I would have case law and the constitution on my side. Doesn't make it right.
This is an extremely prickly issue, and it is disingenuous to say it boils down to 1st amendment rights. I congratulate you for specifically mentioning the Congress as not being involved here due to the first amendment. I am also surprised that you didn't name the Tea Party, but you had to rip conservatives?
The fact is that a majority of people surveyed in New York City, a very liberal area, are opposed to that 'community center' going there.
Further, the piece linked by the OP doesn't have ANY "fear-mongering and vitriolic rhetoric towards Muslims by conservatives" but it DOES have fear-mongering and vitriolic rhetoric towards conservatives by muslims, specifically from Imam Rauf towards what he calls 'radicals'. The 'radicals' he refers to are the great majority of the American people who are opposed to the location of Cordoba Center 560 feet from ground zero, where thousands of innocent Americans died at the hands of a radicalized group of Muslims acting in the name of their religion.
What Americans are saying is exercise your religion, just do it somewhere else.
What Americans are saying is pastor, you have the right to burn a Koran, it is just a stupid thing to do
What Pleasantonians are saying is, you preachers have the right to preach, just don't scream at me while I walk down a public sidewalk.
Posted by Pleasanton Parent, a resident of the Pleasanton Meadows neighborhood, on Sep 9, 2010 at 9:48 am
Honestly, I really don't care what his political stance on the issue is. It really has zero relevance to me. I'd much rather him focus on fixing Ca than grandstanding on an issue he has zero influence over anyway.
This is coming from someone who wouldn't vote for him as well.
Posted by toRae, a resident of another community, on Sep 9, 2010 at 9:52 am
and No, it doesn't have anything to do with McNerney or the Congress or the President. It would be just as stupid of McNerney to come out and say anything about this as it was for Pres Obama to chime in.
Posted by Rae, a resident of the Mohr Park neighborhood, on Sep 9, 2010 at 10:44 am
"tR" said: "Further, the piece linked by the OP doesn't have ANY "fear-mongering and vitriolic rhetoric towards Muslims by conservatives"".
Really???? I guess you didn't read Jenks' remarks after he was done "quoting" the Imam. Jenks, a frequent opinion writer for the "LA Conservative Examiner" said, "The truth is this mosque project, its location, its naming, and timing of its celebration of launch of September 11, 2011 ... exactly 10 years after radical Islams attack on the United States ... is the definition of RADICAL and it should not be allowed to stand. Take this and all other Imam's threats of violence and throw them back into their face."
"tR" said: "The 'radicals' he [Imam Rauf] refers to are the great majority of the American people..."
Did you just pick and choose the words you wanted to see in the opinion piece??? What Imam Rauf is actually quoted as saying: "The headlines in the Muslim world will be that Islam is under attack… (there’s) the danger of the *radicals in the Muslim world* *to* our national security, *to* the national security of our troops," (emphasis mine).
"tR" said: "What Americans are saying is exercise your religion, just do it somewhere else."
Hmmmmm, seems like that was one reason for the freedom of religion being built into very first amendment of the Bill of Rights - America was partially settled by those who had been religiously persecuted and told to "exercise your religion...somewhere else".
Food for thought: There were many American Muslims killed in the 9/11 attacks along with the other Americans who died that day, just as there are many American Muslims serving in our armed forces. Referenced below is an article written from the perspective of Muslim family members of 9/11 victims. "While most families of 9/11 victims are accorded a special respect, that status hasn't always shielded [the families of American Muslim 9/11 victims] from bigotry." Maybe it's time to start.
Posted by toRae, a resident of another community, on Sep 9, 2010 at 11:16 am
America was partially settled by those who had been religiously persecuted and told to "exercise your religion...somewhere else".
Beside the fact that this is revisionist history, people who left England due to religious persecution were not told "exercise your religion...somewhere else" they were told to "not practice their religion", a completely separate topic,
The vast majority of Americans opposed to the Cordoba House would be fine if the location were a mile or even a half mile down the street. Even accepting your premise, that is quite a bit different from driving someone out of the country for their religious preferences
You cannot have it both ways Rae, your original statement was "The kind of fear-mongering and vitriolic rhetoric towards Muslims by conservatives like the author of the opinion piece" you tried to stain conservatives as a whole with the writer of this opinion piece and something controversial he said in this piece.
That does not conservative opinion in this country. That is what you need to be called on. You want to take this opinion piece and turn it into "conservatives hate Muslims", which is simply not the case.
Moreover, you say nothing to admit that it is the LARGE, even VAST majority of Americans, of all political stripe, who oppose the Cordoba project being located 560 feet from ground zero.
Posted by toRae, a resident of another community, on Sep 9, 2010 at 11:26 am
I will grant that Rauf may have misspoke or been misunderstood in the interview when he used the term radicals, after listening to the video. He jumped to clarify the radicals he was referring to were middle eastern radicals, and not Americans.
Posted by Chet, a resident of San Ramon, on Sep 9, 2010 at 12:25 pm
It is one of our Congressman Jerry McNerney jobs to understand our Constitution. He does that job very well and unlike mr. Speakup knows what freedom of religion and separation of church and state in our Constitution.
Posted by SpeakUpJerry!, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Sep 9, 2010 at 2:25 pm
Ohhh...I see Chet! Since "Jerr's" job is to "understand our Constitution" then have him report to us on this PW Town Forum where in the Constitution it allows the Federal Government to REQUIRE American citizens to purchase Health Insurance? (If you recall your buddy Jerry voted for Obamacare ... and without any public forum from his CD-11 constituents either.)
Also, "Jerr" voted for the DISCLOSE ACT which restricts free speech, CONTRARY TO THE 1st AMENDMENT.
He also voted against permanently shelving the "FAIRNESS DOCTRINE" which would shut down opposition media in the US...CONTRARY TO THE 1ST AMENDMENT.
What is his stance on the Federal Government's WAR against Arizona...in direct opposition to the Fed's role in protecting its citizens? The Fed's position on Arizona is also directly opposite to the 10th Amendment regarding STATES RIGHTS?
TELL ME, CHET BUDDY, HOW YOUR BOY JERR UNDERSTANDS THE CONSTITUTION!
(Perhaps he DOES understand it and like other Congressional Democrats, he wants to deliberately act in opposition to it!)
Posted by Janna, a resident of Dublin, on Sep 9, 2010 at 4:53 pm Janna is a member (registered user) of PleasantonWeekly.com
My guess (and hope) would be that McNerney is focused on real issues, not GOP inflated non-issues designed to get people like SUJ all worked into a lather, to bother to comment. It's working perfectly on SUJ, obviously.
Is this really an issue, really?
Anti-muslim bigots need to find other things to do with their time. Perhaps they could help people in need...nah, picking on fellow Americans about their Constitutionally protected religious rights is way more fun.
Posted by SpeakUpJerry!, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Sep 9, 2010 at 5:46 pm
You know, I've been thinking about this, and you're right. I've been acting kind of childishly, getting caught up in empty rhetoric on wedge issues that politicians often use to distract voters from real issues.
I suppose McNerney DOES have better things to be working on than whether a group of American citizens should or shouldn't be allowed to exercise their constitutionally guaranteed freedoms in a way that really doesn't have any effect on my or this constituency. We need someone who rises above the divisiveness and distractions that entertainers on the right stir up to improve ratings. I'll know better than to blindly follow some TV personality in the future and educate myself from more reliable, objective sources in the future.
I'm truly sorry, everyone, for my puerile behavior and bombast on this site. I think I have a lot of self-evaluating to do.
Posted by Janna, a resident of Dublin, on Sep 9, 2010 at 5:49 pm Janna is a member (registered user) of PleasantonWeekly.com
A national security issue?! That is too much, really. Please, it's being built two blocks away from ground zero, so you saying otherwise is basically a lie. The hype from this simple thing in the hangs of Faux News and their ilk are what is dangerous and will create more terrorists, not the actual center. They win when you are terrified, and apparently, you are.
So is a Christian church being erected considered domestic terrorism? Obviously you see religion and community as a threat to our country.
If you disagree with Islamic principles, I have a thought for you, don't worship. You are so wrapped up in this 'outrage' that you can't even see that extremists in both the Islamic and Christian religions are the problem here, not where they want to build a community center.
Just as a side-note, were you aware that both the Pentagon and Walter Reed Hospital have separate prayer rooms for Muslims and Christians. What say you to that?
Posted by SpeakUpJerry!, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Sep 9, 2010 at 5:54 pm
You're right. I was trying to make this out to be a clear, black-and-white issue, but I see now that I was wrong. There are many, many Muslims in our country and community who are peaceful, law-abiding assets to our community. Many are overseas right now, protecting our freedoms, and I ask myself, "is this how I want to honor their sacrifice? Can I celebrate America's unique freedoms if I want to limit them for others?"
Again, forgive me. That's what real Christians--and Muslims--would do.
Posted by SpeakUpJerry!, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Sep 10, 2010 at 7:50 am
C'mon DublinMike, you are smarter than that.
I'll give Jerry a pass on his efforts to assist Vets. Ok fine. Thank you Jerry for that. Now move on to other topics...and STOP with all this VET discussion. I believe his job description includes a tad bit more than what you are focusing on.
Jerry has been on the WRONG side of everything else!!! His votes to place our country into insurmountable debt, from Obamacare, to cap and trade, TARP, and on and on...may weaken this country beyond repair.
His votes are at least 95% consistent with Nancy Pelosi...the most left wing Speaker this country has ever faced ... reporting to a President who...some will justifiably say has ideals more parallel with Communist dictators than former US Presidents.
Posted by b, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Sep 10, 2010 at 9:40 am
Thank you, Rae. Well said. I'm tired of the Constitution being ripped to shreds by right-wing extremists. I'm proud of the freedoms we enjoy as Americans. When Constitutional rights are denied to any minority by any stronger or more vocal constituency, it hurts us all.
Posted by Joe, a resident of the Siena neighborhood, on Sep 10, 2010 at 5:50 pm
Did anyone watch the Q&A session the other day with McNerney and Harmer? I think it was sponsored by the Contra Costa Times. The video is available on Harmer's website. If you want to see what a buffoon McNerney is, just watch the video. He has a "deer in the headlights" look, and is unable to give cogent answers. Harmer, on the other hand, gave clear, concise, common sense answers.
I voted for McNerney last time because he PROMISED that he was a "moderate" and would see both sides. He is a liar. He has voted with Pelosi 100% of the time---what a creep. Time to throw the bum out, and get someone else in there. During the health care debate, he didn't even have the guts to have a REAL town hall meeting---it was all by telephone. Bye-bye McNerney.
Posted by NO PHONIES wanted, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Sep 12, 2010 at 10:09 pm
Of course not...he's such a wimp. Only went for SAFE vet issues. Lays low, and just votes WITH MSPelosi...like he's told. They 'set up' easy slam dunks for Jerry and allow him to skip out on big all-Dem majority votes....so he can disguise himself here in his district...PHONY ! He certainly does ' not represent ' the folks here in the district on a loong list of issues. How does he defend his teammates Maxine Waters, Barney Frank, Sen Obama, Acorn, Pelosi, etc, who were all there in the MAJORITY RUNNING Congress, all DEM Chairmen, Pelosi in charge 3 & 4 years ago, controlling the financial Congressional AGENDA... NOT lame-duck Bush ! That's the role of Congress.
Posted by No phonies, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Sep 13, 2010 at 2:26 pm
Entire DEM team was in charge of Congress and all things financial for TWO years BEFORE there was a Pres Obama. Chairman Barney Frank, Maxine Waters, Sen Obama, Jerry McNerney, ACORN, FREDDIE and FANNIE MAE, all orchestrated by then Speaker Pelosi. Yes, SPEAKER Pelosi was the Speaker running all aspects of financial actions of her CONGRESS...she pulled lame-duck Bush's strings, when she allowed him to speak.....that out-of-control Congress was running it all for 2 yrs before Pres Obama. I remember when a Repub in a hearing dared to suggest Fannie & Freddie were out of control and needed tighter reigns, Barney Frank & Maxine Waters jumped to their defense saying " why, FANNY & FREDDIE are helping people get homes, who would NOT BE ABLE TO AFFORD THEM OTHERWISE "".! ! That pretty much tells the story! Jerry's had plenty of time and plenty of chances to 'step up'....silent Jerry is just a silent vote allowing his corrupt team to run roughshod over us. He should be protecting HIS constituents back home....we're forgotten. That team only helps public unions, and inner cities....NOT Main Street East Bay.
Posted by Patriot, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Sep 13, 2010 at 9:17 pm
"I remember when a Repub in a hearing dared to suggest Fannie & Freddie were out of control and needed tighter reigns, Barney Frank & Maxine Waters jumped to their defense saying " why, FANNY & FREDDIE are helping people get homes, who would NOT BE ABLE TO AFFORD THEM OTHERWISE "
Um, maybe check your facts. Those videos are from 2003 and 2005. Democrats weren't in control in congress until 2007. Republicans played a critical role in stopping the reform of Fanny and Freddie. Look at the voting record. By the time McNerney took the oath of office, the sub-prime market was already beginning to unravel.
Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore, on Sep 15, 2010 at 1:06 pm
Sorry to be the one to be forced to bring you the bad news but ground zero is way over, it's all about San Bruno now...watch out for PG&E...you will all soon find out that ground san bruno was known about before it happened and PG&E did NADA...have a nice day mes petites!