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'RATS PLAN POLITICAL TRIAGE TO RETAIN HOUSE

Original post made by jimf01 on Sep 4, 2010

NY Times article says what I described here weeks ago re: the Harmer McNerney race.
A national campaign trumpeting Democratic accomplishments on health care, education and Wall Street regulation has given way to a race-by-race defensive strategy. Democratic incumbents are moving to aggressively define their Republican opponents and individualize races in an effort to inoculate themselves from the national mood.

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Jerry McNerney, in my estimation, is in trouble. As the attacks on David Harmer were being trotted out here weeks ago, mostly a regurgitation of what his Republican opponents tried and failed with in the primaries, I said that Jerry McNerney cannot run and win on his record in Congress.
The Dems have fashioned some new attacks, and no doubt someone has investigators searching for any dirt they can find, or making some up, about Harmer.
It's getting a little late to try and define your opponent if you are Jerry McNerney, so mudslinging is about the only option left. You can only run so many commercials stating that you support the troops. And Harmer doesn't?
It looks amateurish at this point. The voters want jobs, and nothing else. Jerry, Nancy, and the Dems have failed utterly on the economy.

Absentee ballots get mailed out in a month. I don't want to sound any note of overconfidence. The fight isn't over. It is going to heat up, in fact. A lot can happen.

If you have read this far, then you give a damn, to be blunt. If you give a damn, then you need to know that enthusiasm and turnout will turn the race in CA-11. This race is the only competitive Democrat incumbent seat in the area, if not in the entire state. Get to the David Harmer website, or call the office, and volunteer. Phone calls and talking to voters is needed to ensure a win and help turn the balance of power in DC.

Another interesting bit of this:
While Democrats have all but given up hope that the political or economic climate will improve substantially before the election, they are not conceding control of the House. Several party leaders and strategists privately acknowledge that about 20 seats are already probably lost, but they believe they can build a fire wall around seats in the Northeast and in other pockets across the country where Republicans have nominated untested candidates.

The battle is boiling down to a question of mathematics and difficult decisions for Democrats. By the best-case Democratic calculation, party strategists believe that Republicans must beat about 35 sitting Democrats if the parties split 16 highly competitive open seats and Democrats win four of five Republican seats they see as within their reach in Delaware, Florida, Hawaii, Illinois and Louisiana.

Do I hear a hint that some seats (like McNerney's) will be abandoned to try to retain an overall majority?

Comments (37)

Posted by Stacey, a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Sep 5, 2010 at 12:05 am

Stacey is a registered user.

Republicans have really done nothing for jobs. The GOP only dances around some idea that small businesses produce jobs when the reality is that small businesses here create more jobs in China and elsewhere. That isn't to say that the Democrats are doing a better job. So-called green jobs are just a feel-good notion so give the impression that something is being done. In reality, neither party has any real policy to address the issue.


Posted by Speakupjerry, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 5, 2010 at 7:01 am

Stacey,
Govt cannot create private sector jobs, only create remove barriers and regulations which prevent the creation of these jobs. Republicans have always had a platform to reduce job- choking regulations. They are the ones -- like Reagan -- who will bring jobs back, contrary to the anti-free enterprise Democrats.


Posted by Cindy, a resident of Vineyard Hills
on Sep 5, 2010 at 8:22 am

Stacy,

To be fair the 'RATS have controlled the House and Senate since 2006 so this all theirs. Secondly, if you go to the Republican site you will see 2 issues which will resonate. They are going to try and get terms limits and secondly you will discussion of a 20% flat tax which Accountants, Lawyers, and 'RATS will fight tooth and nail.


Posted by Stacey, a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Sep 5, 2010 at 10:00 am

Stacey is a registered user.

Government regulations are a form of policy that can both hinder and facilitate job creation.


Posted by Speakupjerry, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 5, 2010 at 10:48 am

Stacey,
How profound.


Posted by Jane, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 5, 2010 at 11:04 am

Give me a reason to vote Republican, and I will. But so far all I hear is naysaying and whining from Repubs regarding Democrat sponsored proposals. Where is the beef, Repubs? Where are your answers to the big issues of the day?

Term limits are not the answer and never have been more than a knee-jerk, vote-the-bums-out level response with no obvious benefits for anyone. A 20% flat tax is regressive, weak policy and will throttle growth. No respectable economist would recommend it while we are still climbing out of a deep recession.

I think Stacey has a valid point. If the Repubs have a list of solutions, where is it?


Posted by Pablo, a resident of Downtown
on Sep 5, 2010 at 2:42 pm

Jane spoken like a true 'RAT. Keep voting that way and do not change it is working for you .....not!

I have a degree in economics and a flat tax would work great as long as spending is controlled. Neither will happen until fiscally responsible individuals of either party are elected. Watch judgement day herwe first in California first. Disaster and symbolic of Obama's policies.


Posted by Nurse Shark, a resident of Highland Oaks
on Sep 5, 2010 at 3:05 pm

"Jane spoken like a true 'RAT. Keep voting that way and do not change it is working for you .....not!"

Ah, the "...not!" rejoinder: A truly thought-provoking response. Clearly you're well educated on this issue.

On that note, would you care to explain how a flat tax is viable? I'd appreciate your words, please, since you're an expert (as opposed to a link to an editorial or something).

Oh, and which candidate is even proposing a 20 percent flat tax?


Posted by Arroyo, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 5, 2010 at 11:05 pm

Jane,
If the Republicans regain control of Congress, the economy will start to turn around immediately. That's the best reason I know to vote Republican.

I know many small business owners who have been hurt by the continued slow recovery. There are glimmers of a recovery, but they do not trust the current administration -- and will not hire people, nor make capital investments until they feel more comfortable. A dramatic change in Congress will spur the recovery. Government controlled Health Care, Cap and Trade, Guantanamo, Iraq, etc. are lofty goals but do not do a damned thing to get people back to work.


Posted by Rocky, a resident of Downtown
on Sep 6, 2010 at 8:54 am

Well I can tell you if elected the conservatives will go away from big government and let's us have our own money back and not do more "brother can you spend a dome spending" like below.


Obama to Call for Major Road, Rail and Runway Spending

Sep 06, 2010 11:37 AM EDT

WASHINGTON -- Vowing to find new ways to stimulate the sputtering economy, President Barack Obama will call for long-term investments in the nation's roads, railways and airports that would cost at least $50 billion, administration officials said.

The infrastructure investments are one part of a package of targeted proposals the White House is expected to announce in hopes of jump-starting the economy ahead of the November election. Obama will outline the infrastructure proposal Monday at a Labor Day event in Milwaukee.

While the proposal calls for investments over six years, officials said spending would be front-loaded with an initial $50 billion to help create jobs in the near future. The officials spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the proposals ahead of the president's announcement.

The goals of the infrastructure plan include: rebuilding 150,000 miles of roads; constructing and maintaining 4,000 miles of railways, enough to go coast-to-coast; and rehabilitating or reconstructing 150 miles of airport runways, while also installing a new air navigation system designed to reduce travel times and delays.

Obama will also call for the creation of a permanent infrastructure bank that would focus on funding national and regional infrastructure projects.

Officials wouldn't say what the total cost of the infrastructure investments would be, but did say the initial $50 billion represents a significant percentage. Officials said the White House would consider closing a number of special tax breaks for oil and gas companies to pay for the proposal.

Obama made infrastructure investments a central part of the $814 billion stimulus Congress passed last year, but with that spending winding down, the economy's growth has slowed. Officials said this infrastructure package differs from the stimulus because it's aimed at long-term growth, while still focusing on creating jobs in the short-term.

With the unemployment rate ticking up to 9.6 percent, and polls showing the midterm elections could be dismal for Democrats, the president has promised to unveil a series of new measures on the economy.

In addition to Monday's announcement in Milwaukee, Obama will travel to Cleveland Wednesday to pitch a $100 billion proposal to increase and make permanent research and development tax credits for businesses, a White House official said.

While the idea is popular in Congress, coming up with offsetting tax increases or spending cuts has been a stumbling block. Similar to his proposal to pay for the infrastructure investments, Obama will ask lawmakers to close tax breaks for oil and gas companies and multinational corporations to pay for the plan.

Other stimulus measures the administration is considering include extending a law passed in March that exempts companies that hire unemployed workers from paying Social Security taxes on those workers through December. Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., has proposed extending the exemption an additional six months.

Obama is also continuing to prod the Senate to pass the small business bill that calls for about $12 billion in tax breaks and a $30 billion fund to help unfreeze lending. Republicans have likened the bill to the unpopular bailout of the financial industry. And the president wants to make permanent the portion of George W. Bush's tax cuts affecting the middle class.

Wary of the public's concern over rising deficits, the administration insists a second stimulus plan, similar to last year's $814 billion bill, is not in the works


Posted by Jane, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 6, 2010 at 10:05 am

"If the Republicans regain control of Congress, the economy will start to turn around immediately. That's the best reason I know to vote Republican."

Arroyo, I am sure you are sincere in this belief, but this is not a policy statement or an action plan for recovery. It is a hope and a prayer.

And the news regarding the infrastructure investment referenced by Rocky is reminiscent of the New Deal, wouldn't you say? It will create jobs, generate taxes and build confidence. The downside is obvious -- it requires deficit spending -- but if one family can stay in their home after doing an honest day's work, I do not find fault here.


Posted by radical, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 6, 2010 at 11:20 am

reminiscent of the New Deal, wouldn't you say?

if it is (i do not agree), then run, screaming, in the opposite direction

the new dealbrought us a prolonging of the great depression, which culminated with WWII

if you want obummer to be known as the 'great recession' / new deal II president, then lets get to work on repealing the 22nd amendment


Posted by Super radical, a resident of Pheasant Ridge
on Sep 6, 2010 at 12:19 pm

Radical is right--creating jobs and improving infrastructure will lead to a new World War!


Posted by Jane, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 6, 2010 at 1:05 pm

This infrastructure project proposal, at $50B, is only half of what the proposed $100B business tax credit extension is expected to be.

Web Link

So, under Obama businesses save on taxes and Americans are put to work. And still the Repubs whine and complain and continue to have no plan of their own.

I am still looking for someone to give me a reason to vote Repub.


Posted by Arroyo, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 6, 2010 at 2:58 pm

Jane,

With all due respect, I believe that your statement, "Give me a reason to vote Republican, and I will." is disingenuous.

I don't think at this point that the Reps need to put forth a plan. The current admin has failed so miserably that any change in leadership would be a breath of fresh air. Business owners, both large and small, will see the change in Congress as a positive and the economy will start to rebound at a rapid rate. It remains to be seen if the Reps can do a better job of "kick-starting" the economy, but I suspect they can do no worse. I'm ready to give them a chance. From what I've seen of the current administration they are inept at business, and more interested in "reorganizing" America into a quasi-socialistic experiment.

I cannot stand that the current admin has failed to address the unemployment issue beyond the extension of benefits, or its lack of compassion for those who are not part of organized labor. The current administration has named fewer than 10% of appointees who have had any practical business experience, and I believe that's part of the problem.

The real question should be "Give me a reason to vote Democrat, and I will."

Personally, I plan on supporting Republican candidates in the upcoming election. I think it's the only chance we have for a reasonably quick recovery from this recession.


Posted by Nurse Shark, a resident of Highland Oaks
on Sep 6, 2010 at 3:31 pm

"I don't think at this point that the Reps need to put forth a plan."

I appreciate your honest appraisal of the GOP, but unless they're running for student council, serious candidates DO need a plan. This is not some third world country, this is the greatest nation in the history of our planet, and Americans deserve leaders who will take decisive action. What does it say about the Republicans you concede have no plans? That they're not running because they think they can fix the economy, but rather because they'd really like to be elected to office. That seems to be the only "plan" on the agenda.

To you and Pablo, who think that a GOP-led Washington will magically and instantaneously boost the economy, are you even aware that the economic policies of Reagan and Bush have brought us this low? That's not conjecture or spin, but the living, breathing reality of millions of unemployed Americans and people who have lost their homes and savings because of "trickle down" economics and the GOP's service to the corrupt corporations who have crippled our economy. And now these very same corporations want to trick voters to reinstate the GOPers so they can return to the business of ripping off honest Americans. Oh, and let's give those fatcats a tax break while we're at it. And you'd like us to disband our unions and make American workers more vulnerable to corporate manipulation, unsafe working conditions and lower wages? Why yessir, Mr. CEO, just tell me who to vote for!


Posted by Arroyo, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 6, 2010 at 4:35 pm

Hmmm, Nurse Shark, are we grumpy today? That's quite a vitriolic diatribe. But, you forgot to tell us which political party you prefer, and why. Oh well, never mind.


Posted by Nurse Shark, a resident of Highland Oaks
on Sep 6, 2010 at 4:44 pm

That's it? I have to admit I didn't expect you to roll over so easily. I figured you'd have at least some sort of rebuttal to the issues I raised. Guess you feel there's nothing really to argue against.


Posted by Arroyo, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 6, 2010 at 7:22 pm

Roll over, au contraire. Your rant sends the message that would ignore the facts if they got in the way of your predetermined position. So, why waste my time.


Posted by Nurse Shark, a resident of Heritage Oaks
on Sep 6, 2010 at 7:32 pm

I think what you're describing is known as a "French victory."


Posted by Janna, a resident of Dublin
on Sep 6, 2010 at 7:38 pm

Janna is a registered user.

Nurse Shark,

Arroyo didn't stand a chance with what you wrote, that's why he couldn't respond with anything meaningful. It was spot on accurate! Nice post!

I've had a great time laughing at all the 'PUBES (if they're going to call us 'RATS) fantasies about the Dems being on the run. Suddenly, the 'PUBES want us to believe they have all the answers to the problems they created. That is laughable, to say the least.


Posted by Arroyo, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 6, 2010 at 8:32 pm

There's an old saying, "You can't teach a pig to sing. It's a waste of your time and annoys the hell out of the pig."


Posted by Really?, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 6, 2010 at 8:39 pm

Oh no Arroyo, you win with the new saying of the year "I don't think at this point that the Reps need to put forth a plan." CLassic! Really should be their new motto, since it reflects their actions! Perfect.


Posted by Pablo, a resident of Downtown
on Sep 6, 2010 at 8:45 pm

Arroyo,

Interesting to see the swinging libs fight back. They can only lash out in anger when presented with the obvious and that is the complete incompetence of our President and the liberal swinging democrats. Wait until November and you will see a conservative majority taking hold in both the house this time, and the senate coming. Notice I did not say Republicans because I am an independent and believe in conservative fiscal policies and minimal government. I am so grateful for Obambi, queen Nance, and lil Harry for waking up the country.


Posted by Nurse Shark, a resident of Highland Oaks
on Sep 6, 2010 at 8:58 pm

Arroyo, radical, et al.: just calling people names or saying "ooh! I got a reaction, I must be right!" isn't actually a discussion of GOP policies. It's like bringing a noodle to a knife fight. I'm definitely willing to engage on specific policy proposals; all I ask is that the playground taunting be traded up first.


Posted by jimf01, a resident of another community
on Sep 6, 2010 at 9:11 pm

jimf01 is a registered user.

The GOP has put forth a plan, a solid one from Rep Paul Ryan.
Web Link

Even he states it will not be passed into law without some changes, but this type of plan is what the 'rats will call "destroy Social Security as we know it".
Ryan addresses this here:Web Link

"Social Security program trustees report that for the first time since 1983, Social Security this year will pay out more in benefits than it receives in tax revenues. After 2014, annual deficits are projected to grow rapidly with baby boomer retirements"

The course we are on NOW is what will destroy Social Security and leave nothing for generations paying in to the system now out of every paycheck.

This is a roadmap, it is not finished legislation. Now the task is to get corrupt politicians who will not address the real issues, Democrat and Republican, out of office.

In addition to figuring our way out of this recession that doesn't involve exploding deficits, huge new entitlement programs and higher taxes for everyone, WE THE PEOPLE need to elect honest people to office and hold them accountable.


Posted by radical, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 6, 2010 at 10:28 pm

Here's a plan for ya. What do you say to this?

Web Link


Posted by radical, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 7, 2010 at 10:35 am

i did not post the above joke from the onion

funny how this thread was REAL busy with 'rats saying the Republicans had no plan -- then show 'em the plan, they scatter like 'rats


Posted by Jane, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 7, 2010 at 12:41 pm

Jim, Thank you very much for the link to Congressman Ryan's "Roadmap" page. The contents of the site are well researched, thoughtfully presented and extensive, requiring many hours, if not days or weeks, to fully digest. Had radical #2 invested the time to read it, he might have had a better retort than that above.

I was initially turned off by the use of over-statement and vagaries, but the summary and recommendation portions were specific and substantial, obviously the work of a knowledgeable economist.

Some of his personal views aside, I could certainly agree with a great deal of what Ryan presented, but I am not registered to vote in a largely rural district in Wisconsin, and there are no candidates on our November ballot who support the Roadmap.

Obama alluded to the Roadmap as a "serious proposal," though the White House promptly made it clear that it had problems with its details, as does most of the GOP, apparently. In fact, only 13 House Repubs have signed on as co-sponsors. Even Rep. Boehner, the minority leader, said the Roadmap would not be a part of the Republican agenda this fall. His major complaint seemed to be that the Roadmap would take over 50 years to balance the federal budget.

Until this Roadmap gains some traction in the GOP, it will go down in history as a good try and nothing more.





Posted by SpeakUpJerry!, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 7, 2010 at 12:47 pm

Jane,
Thank you for being open-minded on the above Ryan Roadmap.

I have personally met with David Harmer and he is very much aligned with Paul Ryan's ideals. It would be surprising to me if David did not support Ryan's Roadmap...tho I certainly cannot speak for David.


Posted by radical, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 7, 2010 at 8:18 pm

Oops! I see now that it was the Tea Bag enthusiast Arroyo who said the 'Pubes didn't have a plan. Sorry, I don't read too goodly.


Posted by Patriot, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 7, 2010 at 9:47 pm

I wish I could vote for Harmer, but he has said nothing to address the problem of requiring over-the-counter derivatives to be traded on public exchanges, just like stocks. It was these derivatives that turned the sub-prime crisis (created by too much easy credit and exacerbated by Fannie, Freddie, and FHA) into a credit freeze and full blown financial meltdown. This was the real job killer. Brooksley Born tried to warn Bill Clinton about the problem, but he ignored her and opposed her efforts to regulate the market.

Web Link

David Harmer came from that world. He was a lawyer for a company that was a major player in the market for credit default swaps. He has said nothing about supporting regulation that would require those over-the-counter derivatives on public exchanges so that systemic risk can be monitored. Jerry McNerney has supported regulation that takes us a step in that direction. Why won't Harmer support it?


Posted by jimf01, a resident of another community
on Sep 8, 2010 at 8:17 am

First, their is no voter who's single issue is over-the-counter derivatives, so you are being disingenuous to say "I wish I could vote for Harmer, but"

2nd, Harmer didn't come from that world, his job at WaMu and chase was with consumer credit

fair enough to say that the issue is very important and proper regulation and oversight of any financial instrument with that much power is an issue for the Congress to take up.

If you actually "wish you could vote for Harmer", why not turn up at a public event and ask his views on it?

At least you can go to a campaign event for Harmer and ask him a question without having to be a wealthy donor, unlike the incumbent Jerry McNerney, who seems to be hiding and turning up at random fundraisers and supermarkets unannounced.


Posted by Chet, a resident of San Ramon
on Sep 8, 2010 at 9:04 am

Harmer should not be given serious consideration to be our rep. He does not live in our district, does not understand the problems in our district. He can't even vote in our district. We have a fine congressman in Jerry McNerney.


Posted by SpeakUpJerry!, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 8, 2010 at 9:12 am

Patriot,
Where is your logic. You can't vote for Harmer because "he's said nothing about derivatives..." (!???)

You are partially correct that a big problem was Fannie & Freddie...however remember the origins and exacerbation of the problem were all DEMOCRAT.

Origin...
Carter initiated the Community Reinvestment Act which gave loans to those who could not afford to pay them back.

Clinton expanded that program exponentially.

The Bush Admin tried to regulate Fannie and Freddie but the Democrats stopped it.

Just stop and think for a moment...
If the Obama Admin...including McNerney...were serious in their efforts to prevent further financial industry collapses, wouldn't it make sense that they include Fannie and Freddie regulations in their coveted "Financial Reform" Act??? But no. They have done NOTHING to restrict Fannie and Freddie. In fact, risky loans from Fannie and Freddie are CONTINUING. So we well all experience another bubble burst in the future...thanks to the DEMOCRATS...like McNERNEY!!!

Financial Crisis: Let's Go to the Videotape >>> Web Link

Please view the above revealing video to identify which party has repeatedly tried to warn the other about the risks of Fannie and Freddie.






Posted by Patriot, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 8, 2010 at 12:00 pm

"The Bush Admin tried to regulate Fannie and Freddie but the Democrats stopped it. "

Wrong. The Democrats and Republicans stopped it. In 2001 to 2006 when all these initiatives were proposed to regulate Fannie and Freddie Republicans controlled both houses of congress and the Presidency. Republican votes were critical. Look up the voting records. Both parties take the blame.

"Carter initiated the Community Reinvestment Act which gave loans to those who could not afford to pay them back.

Clinton expanded that program exponentially."

And Bush invented the no money down FHA loan, the majority of which are now in default.

Web Link

So the Republicans share the blame on inflating the sub prime housing bubble.

But mortgage defaults by themselves were only a part of the financial meltdown. It was the derivatives that turned a typical recession (such as the ones caused by the S&L defaults or the dot com bubble) into a credit freeze and financial panic. It was the derivatives that turned this into the worse recession since the great depression. AIG, the large recipient of government bailout money at $182 billion (bigger than the bailouts of Fannie and Freddie combined so far), collapsed not because it owned or serviced bad mortgages. AIG collapsed because it sold side bets (derivatives, credit default swaps). The counter-parties to these bets demanded that AIG produce collateral to show that they could pay, but AIG had far to little cash reserves. A run resulted. Similar runs happened across the industry. There were no clearing houses or exchanges. The financial reform bill goes a long way in fixing that.


Posted by jimf01, a resident of another community
on Sep 10, 2010 at 9:44 am

jimf01 is a registered user.

I love the quotes from our President in this story

Obama says voters may blame him for economy
Web Link

President Obama said, "progress has been painfully slow." He said he understands that many voters in November's elections may blame the weak recovery on him.
Facing a rising jobless rate, Obama told a White House news conference today: "For all the progress we've made, we're not there yet. And that means people are frustrated and why people are angry."

"Because I am president, and the Democrats have control of the House and Senate, it's understandable that people are saying, 'What have you done?'"


The Democrats, with their triage scheme and this press conference today, are starting to see the light. They understand now that voting in massive new regulatory schemes and taxation under the guise of improving health care and financial reform were NOT what the American people wanted when they voted for "hope and change".

The people wanted a growing economy, the people wanted jobs.
People did not want to have to ask for 99 weeks of unemployment and to get bailed out from their mortgages.

The American people now are realizing that we need to reduce the size of government and stop spending beyond our means.

Sadly, as Hilary Clinton herself stated this week, "we are losing the ability, not only to chart our own destiny, but to, you know, have the leverage that comes from this enormously affected economic engine that has powered American values and interests over so many years."
Web Link

But you may not have even known that Mrs Clinton said those words, try this google search, look for "Council on Foreign Relations clinton rising debt levels poses a national security" in google news

Web Link

The top result is a story "Right-wing media concoct Clinton attack on Obama" from the left wing Media Matters for America

Whether Mrs Clinton was referring only to paying for wars or taking a shot at Obama's economic policies, or a little of both, we see that continued rising debt, rising unemployment, and rising spending and rising taxes are not going to get us out of this mess.


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