Posted by Wait, a resident of the Birdland neighborhood, on Aug 11, 2010 at 7:40 pm
I'll admit that I have not watched your link, but I have some big problems with your post. It is not a mosque that is being built 2 blocks away from Ground 0, but rather a Muslim cultural center. Don't you think that it's appropriate to have a Muslim cultural center near Ground 0 considering most Americans are completely confused about the religion? And how come no one has mentioned the mosque that is 3 blocks away from Ground 0 already?
This country was originally founded on FREEDOM OF RELIGION. How in the world, with our background, can we dictate where a religious establishment can and cannot be built? And if people have such a problem with a mosque, why in the world would they be o.k. with churches being built in the South? Churches that, years ago, would preach slavery was encouraged by God? Churches that promoted the KKK, which brutally murdered African-Americans and whites who spoke for equality.
Those in charge of the 9/11 attacks were in the minority of the Islamic religion. It is stupid to blame the entire religion, just like it's stupid to blame Christianity for slavery.
Posted by Wait, a resident of the Birdland neighborhood, on Aug 11, 2010 at 7:46 pm
To those of you who are going to watch this link: I encourage you to read about David Horowitz, the author of the site. Once you see his previous works, you will immediately understand how biased he is.
Lynn, I now see where you are coming from. You are incredibly conservative and are posting incorrect information. I would bet you are a member of the Tea Party.
Posted by A Neighbor, a member of the Valley View Elementary School community, on Aug 11, 2010 at 8:09 pm
I would also like to add that there is an existing Islamic prayer center (not a mosque) 4 blocks from Ground 0. This prayer center has been there since before the World Trade Center was built.
The overreaction and false statements being made regarding the proposed new center appall me. Embracing freedom of religion and expression is what distinguishes us as Americans. Time to practice what we preach: tolerance.
Posted by SteveP, a resident of the Parkside neighborhood, on Aug 12, 2010 at 9:47 am SteveP is a member (registered user) of PleasantonWeekly.com
You apologists are still not presenting the whole story about this mosque, prayer room, whatever you want to call this Islamic monument in the shadow of where 3000 innocents lost their lives at the hand of radical Islamists.
The iam who is responsible for this project is a supporter of Hamas, blamed the US for 9/11 17 days after the terrorist attack, claims Bin Laden was created by the U.S and won't divulge where the funding of this monument to their conquest is coming from.
He also is quoted as stating that the U.S. must become more compliant with Sharia law. Wake up and stop with the blind adherence to anything in the name of 'tolerance'.
Posted by Curious, a resident of the Del Prado neighborhood, on Aug 12, 2010 at 9:51 am
@ Walt- Thank you, very well said.
Many of those opposed to this Center seem to forget that those wishing to build the Center are not foreigners, they are Americans, just like all the Jews, Christians, Hindus, Atheists, and others that live in NYC. They have a Constitution right to freedom of religion and expression just like everyone else.
Posted by Stacey, a resident of the Amberwood/Wood Meadows neighborhood, on Aug 12, 2010 at 10:28 am Stacey is a member (registered user) of PleasantonWeekly.com
"A Letter Concerning Toleration by John Locke 1689" Web Link
John Locke basically outlines the concept of separation of church and state in this letter. It is a long read but well worth it because it is one of the influential documents for our Founding. Locke details how the functions of a civil society and the functions of a religious society are distinct, and how unrest can occur when one type of society tries to dabble or impose upon the other type. Indeed that was the experience of Europeans at the time, many of whom fled to the New World due to civil society trying to impose on their religious society. Perhaps, too, one of the reasons we see so much unrest in the Muslim world is because their religious society tries to impose on civil society.
Posted by Judy, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Aug 12, 2010 at 2:08 pm
Lynn - You posted those same comments and links back in July as "Teri", then proceeded to collapse into a puddle of paranoid hateful anti-Islam ranting. Enough already. We get it. You disagree with "uber tolerance" and squat toilets. Move on, please.
Posted by Nomo Obama, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Aug 13, 2010 at 8:48 am
The fact that President Obama has a close relationship with the Muslim cleric that is spearheading this mosque, cultural center, or sharp stick the eye of Americans (you pick); and the fact that the U. S. taxpayer is paying for this cleric to go to the Middle East to solicit additional funds to complete it; is another indicator of the character and true allegiance of the President. Obama is the head of the Socialist-Muslim Alliance that is hell-bent on the destruction of the Western democracies. Wake up America. Short of a military coup, the November election is our last chance to clip the wings of the despot Obama before its too late for the America we love.
OK, now you left wing loons out there that are also part of the Socialist-Muslim Alliance can start howling.
Posted by Ron, a resident of the Pleasanton Heights neighborhood, on Aug 13, 2010 at 10:07 am
What is happening to our once proud country? All U.S. citizens have the right to practice their own religious beliefs. This country was built on immigration, but it also was a controlled immigration. We seriously need to revisit our past history. As a decendent of an immigrant I can remember the fond stories told me by my grandparents. They where required to have a sponsor and a job prior to entry to this country. They spent time at Ellis Island for innoculations, processing and quarantines. They where proud to gain citizenship and studied hard to gain it. They abandoned their past countrys language and proudly spoke english, and raised their children to be respectfull to the laws and practices of their new country. That is how this country was built! It is time for all of us to demand these practices return and encourage our government officals to abide by our requests. This is why we must place qualified canidates in office. The other alternative is that we can do nothing and keep complaining and watch our country to continually regress.
Posted by Lahommed, a resident of Dublin, on Aug 13, 2010 at 11:09 am Lahommed is a member (registered user) of PleasantonWeekly.com
No! to the Mosque......No to the politicians and special interest groups behind this despicable insulting idea to build a 13 story Mosque anywhere near ground zero or anywhere else for that matter!
Enough is enough...The American way of life is being tossed aside while others come and force their way of life upon us here in America! To those dolts whose memories are short...9/11 was an attack on America and we are still at war with those responsible....you don't let your enemy build in your backyard! To the bleeding hearts who believe its the right of the muslims to build....IT is not the right! It is a priviledge...which they have not earned! We should be more concerned about the Re-building of the twin towers than any freaking mosque....Sadly America the home of the brave...except it seems we have a lot less brave than we use to?
Posted by Dominic, a resident of the Del Prado neighborhood, on Aug 13, 2010 at 11:15 am
The political correctness of some Americans is a threat to our freedom pure and simple. Cultural Center? Are you kidding me, that is nonsense... This Mosque shows total disrespect for America and what happened at ground zero. How soon we forget...Religious Freedom? Wake up! Using our freedoms and laws to perpetrate blatant disrespect for Americans with even the proposing to build a mosque so close to ground zero is wrong! Folks that have tolerance for this sort of thing either don't really understand what American values are or are morally confused in my view. A study of history may be worthwhile for the sympathisers of this disrespectful action...This includes Mayor Bloomberg who has been completely irresponsible on this issue.
Posted by John, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Aug 13, 2010 at 11:20 am
The opposition to this Muslim cultural center (which, by the way, is not opposed by most New Yorkers) smacks of the same kind of anti-Catholic rhetoric that this country experienced in the late 19th century (which coincided with an anti-immigrant movement against Irish and Eastern Europeans at the time). Now we have Catholic churches all over the country, some of them our most revered monuments, and there are few who would argue that America was destroyed by the Catholics.
Part of our openness to the rest of the world involves the evolution of our nation while remaining true to our ideals of freedom of religion and freedom of association. The xenophobia that surrounds the opposition to this cultural center (within a comfortable walking distance from Ground Zero but not AT Ground Zero, where, by the way, innocent Muslims also lost their lives), this xenophobia is un-American.
However, I will say that I think those who are at the head of this cultural center, those who are planning it, are doing a disservice to their membership, the people who they are supposedly serving. The center already is a lightning rod for attacks from people who suppose themselves to be patriots. They invite attacks against them by choosing this site. It seems an ill-advised plan, despite their freedom to put their cultural center (which includes prayer facilities, but you can find a chapel in an airport, too).
Posted by John, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Aug 13, 2010 at 11:24 am
... and the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor (killing more people than died on 9/11), and now the Japanese make up a large part of the population of Honolulu (and did before the attack, too). And yet, America wasn't destroyed, was it?
Posted by Curious, a resident of the Del Prado neighborhood, on Aug 13, 2010 at 11:48 am
Wow John, did you get lost? Don't you know the Town Square Forums are no place for such reasoned and articulate thought? Where is the hate, unsupported claims, and reguritated talking points. We don't want to hear sane, well crafted, and contextually accurate postings from an obviously studied and intelligent person such as yourself.
Posted by Dominic, a resident of the Del Prado neighborhood, on Aug 13, 2010 at 11:54 am
Xenophopia shmenophobia....comparison with anti-Catholic sentiment in this country in the 19th century shares little parallel with this...What is the point here, no group identifying themselves as Catholic ever attacked America...These arguments make no point at all. What does the fact that there were Muslims that also died on 9/11 have anything to do with this...it has nothing to do with BUILDING A RELIGIOUS CENTER 2 BLOCKS FROM WHERE 3000 AMERICANS WERE KILLED BY PEOPLE WHO NOT ONLY IDENTIFIED THEMSELVES AS MUSLIMS BUT DID THE ACT BECAUSE OF THEIR RADICAL RELIGIOUS BELIEFS...
As for Pearl Harbor, The Japanese didn't build any Japanese shrine 2 blocks from Pearl Harbor and had the dignity and respect for America to not even propose such a disrespectful idea.
"An American flag waves briskly in the breeze beside a Shinto shrine on the major freeway leading from Honolulu to Pearl Harbor. Just five miles away is the spot where Japanese planes dropped their bombs on the American fleet. Few tourists rushing between Pearl Harbor and Waikiki realize the deep irony that flag symbolizes. But for those who fought in World War II or know the history of that encounter, the sight of an American flag at a shrine so closely associated with the adversary calls forth a whole complex of reactions."
Posted by Steve, a resident of the Birdland neighborhood, on Aug 13, 2010 at 11:32 pm
Remember, we are trying to build bridges. To communicate. To increase dialogue. Just because it is a tenet of radical Islam to claim land where you have killed your enemy to prove your strength, we should not be afraid to allow them to be there. Get with it! The ignorance of the so called 'tolerant'. And by the way, Japanese people have for years/decades apologized for what they did to America and most from that generation are ashamed of what their country did. Haven't heard a peep from your radical Islamic friends have you? Thought not.
Posted by history, a resident of the Downtown neighborhood, on Aug 14, 2010 at 1:15 pm
Indeed, over the course of our history, religion has flourished within our borders precisely because Americans have had the right to worship as they choose,including the right to believe in no religion at all. And it is a testament to the wisdom of our Founders that America remains deeply religious, a nation where the ability of peoples of different faiths to coexist peacefully and with mutual respect for one another stands in stark contrast to the religious conflict that persists elsewhere around the globe.
Posted by Born in Lower Manhattan, a resident of the Downtown neighborhood, on Aug 15, 2010 at 12:56 pm
As someone born in lower manhattan in an ethnic ghetto, I am grateful that folks were more tolerant of outsiders when my immigrant relatives came here from persecution in Europe.
I was in the WTC 3 weeks before the attack and stayed in the Marriot hotel that was crushed by the towers. All of the folks I met were on the 96th floor. They all perished. My brother taught school at an elementary school blocks away from ground zero. He led his students uptown thru the dust and dirt.
We understand the gravity of the events in a very personal way. That being said we all have the right to religous freedom or we are no worse than the Nazi regime that killed my relatives and drove my family out of Eastern Europe.
Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore, on Aug 15, 2010 at 2:16 pm
What with gay marriage on his mind, how does SteveP manage to have time for his latest hate filled post? Just because you're angry and know how to post, doesn't mean that anything you put down makes much sense.
Posted by Jimbo, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Aug 15, 2010 at 9:21 pm
I find it ironic that a religion that demands accommodation and tolerance practices neither. I say we allow them to build a "cultural center" at ground zero when they allow us to build a church or Christian cultural center in Mecca. Of course, they will never agree to that, so I say Nyet to the Muslim center at Ground Zero.
Posted by So ignorant, a resident of the Carlton Oaks neighborhood, on Aug 15, 2010 at 9:31 pm
Hello, people. Obama being friends with the clerk? Have you not heard him say that the mosque is NOT AN ISSUE FOR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. And yet you are going to accuse him of taking sides on this issue?
This irrational thought is o.k. at a Tea Party meeting, but not when other more intelligent individuals are participating.
Posted by Lynn, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Aug 16, 2010 at 6:25 am
Dear So Ignorant,
By your standards, you would then say that 9-11 re: the World Trade Towers was just a local NY incident...which should only be addressed by local police. It should not have been blown out of proportion as a national event, in your opinion.
Posted by lynn, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Aug 16, 2010 at 12:14 pm
The rise of Islam means the end of liberty and justice for all. Muslims demand religious freedom, yet are not willing to give it to others. Religious freedom requires that the religions which enjoy it, agree to tolerate each other. Islam actually threatens religious diversity.
Posted by Judy, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Aug 16, 2010 at 11:59 pm
Lynn/Teri -- Again, really tired of your same old anti-Islam rant. You read and regurgitate the totally negative opinions of too many others. Where is your heart and your soul? Why do you have so much hate? Where is your reasoning in their theories?