Posted by westsider, a member of the Foothill High School community, on Jul 21, 2010 at 2:15 pm
Right. And I bet if you bought a house near Livermore Airport's flightpath you'd be just shocked, shocked I tell you to find out that there would be airplanes overhead sometimes. Or if you bought a house near 680 you would be just stunned to hear sirens or semi truck airhorns occasionally. Or if you bought a house behind Amador High School's football stadium you'd be indignant that there were loudspeaker announcements of '1st and ten Foothill,' usually in October or so. Or if you bought a house downtown near the railroad tracks and then were simply amazed to hear an occasional train whistle.
Damn little leaguers. Who lets them out there in the park to use the ballfields anyway? Don't they know 'fedup' wants them to be quiet since he bought a house there? Really. The nerve.
Posted by colette, a resident of the Del Prado neighborhood, on Jul 21, 2010 at 2:59 pm
I don't think the little leaguers are out there past 10 at night. Something else must be going on...I know my little leaguers never played past 7 or 8. I don't think fed up was complaining about the daytime noise. That comes with living by a sports park. But, I would not expect to hear that kind of noise after 10PM. So to Westsider, your points would be valid if Fed Up was complaining about noise during the day. He's got a valid point if his concerns are about noise after 10.
Posted by bitter battle, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Jul 21, 2010 at 4:14 pm
Yep, nothing like kids and adults using the sports field for sports. Especially at night when they should be prowling for drugs or committing heinous crimes. Suggestion: move to Tracy or near an orchard where little civilization exists (especially kids playing an all American sport like baseball. Or you could get a life and join the good side of the human race.
Posted by westsider, a member of the Foothill High School community, on Jul 21, 2010 at 7:58 pm
My point to 'fedup' was that someone moving into a house next to a sports park should not be fed up when folks are playing games there. And perhaps, now that I think about it, that its really not that hard to contact the city instead of whining in public about your problems.
Posted by Mark, a resident of the Birdland neighborhood, on Jul 22, 2010 at 1:10 am
One of the best parts of living near the Sports Park is hearing the the bat meet the ball and the excited yelling! The games DO NOT go on "Way past 10 PM on week nights" they end by 10:15 PM at the latest.
You bought a house near one of the largest and greatest athletic complexes in the East bay, and now you complain? Shake yourself and get over it!
Posted by Dominic, a resident of the Del Prado neighborhood, on Jul 22, 2010 at 8:18 am
If you don't like the "noise" coming from the sports park and made the choice to live near there, it seems that shutting your window or moving are the best alternatives...This is no different than folks living very close to downtown and then complaining to city council about late night music coming from nearby bars...
Posted by Really?, a resident of another community, on Jul 22, 2010 at 8:47 am
Seriously??? You bought a house by the sports park and now you're complaining about noise? I suggest renting out your house and moving downtown... oh wait no, don't move there because people enjoy themselves down there past 10:00 as well. Maybe move out of the area... I hear Fresno and Bakersfield are nice this time of year.
Posted by Nosy Neighbors, a resident of the Pleasanton Heights neighborhood, on Jul 22, 2010 at 9:55 am
If you can't beat em', join em. So "Fedup" how's your softball skills these days? I bet an old crumudgeonly fellow like yourself should have no trouble working out your pent up aggressions on the baseball field. A nice cold brewski afterwords @ The Hopyard & you'll be in bed before the 11:00 news.
Posted by P Resident, a resident of the Parkside neighborhood, on Jul 22, 2010 at 10:25 am
Living near Sports Park.. I love it.. Sounds of people having fun are so good..I don't want to live in Cemetary.. Living people make noices and sounds..I would rather have happy and cheering sounds than sounds of crying, vailing and gunfire!
And we live in this modern age..if you want quite..close windows and go to sleep.
Posted by Sports Fan, a member of the Foothill High School community, on Jul 22, 2010 at 10:26 am
I have been a volunteer for Little League for many years and the neighbors always complained of noise during the day! We had one neighbor put a petition together because he could hear the announcer introduce the batters! These people really need to get a life and appreciate the area we live in and as others have said should have realized buying a house around a sports park would have some noise to contend with.
Posted by Concerned resident, a resident of the Country Fair neighborhood, on Jul 22, 2010 at 10:28 am
The comments by Westsider are correct. It is not about defending sports to the detriment of everything else. It is about the legal doctrine of "moving to the nuisance." You can't complain about noise or lights or odors next to you if those things were obvious to you before you moved there.
Here is a short summary of the rule:
"There is a concept well known to lawyers throughout the country which holds that one cannot "move to a nuisance" and then complain about the nuisance. What that means is that if you purchase a house next to an existing business establishment, it is up to you to make sure that you understand the kind of noise and odors produced by that establishment and to ensure that you will be able to live with that establishment as your neighbor.
It is considered to be unfair to the establishment for people to move next to it knowing full well that it is an operating establishment, and then complain afterwards that they cannot tolerate the noise, odor or other problems relating to the establishment. That is why they say that one cannot move to a nuisance and then complain about the nuisance."
If you live next to a football stadium, a sports park, a factory, a train tracks, etc., you can't complain about the obvious and expected uses of that property.
There are reasonable limits, however. I am sure that lights and activities at the Sports Park are supposed to end at a certain time in the evening. Whether that is 10pm or 11pm, you would have to ask the City. But don't expect absolute quiet from a park, even after 11pm.
Posted by Jilliana, a resident of the Birdland neighborhood, on Jul 22, 2010 at 10:58 am
It sounds like you know where the noise is coming from and from whom. The problem seems to be if it is past a time where we should be quite. The answer is no, at 10pm the city still has fields open. I have to agree that you should of been aware of this before you moved in and it kinda comes with the turf.
Posted by PW Reader, a resident of the Birdland neighborhood, on Jul 22, 2010 at 1:54 pm
We back up to the Sports Park in Pleasanton and hear lots of noise--fortunately most of it during the day and especially on the weekends. To those folks spouting off about "moving to the noise nuisance" and belittling someone who is not happy about late night noise--not everyone bought their homes after the Spors Park was built.
The Sports Park was built AFTER we moved into our house in 1979. We're not happy with the now-grown eucalyptus leaves (from the park's trees) staining our pool. The city has told us "too bad and deal with it."
We've been some of those people complaining about the amplified speakers announcing who's batting next--because we can't enjoy our own yard or even being inside the house with the noise. We've winced listening to children literally screaming into the PA system just to hear themselves scream. We've listened to air horns that are just as annoying. The noise also just doesn't last with one game--it goes all day or days if there is a tournament.
We've put up with cars and motercycles being driven loudly on the pedestrian path, fireworks and bottle rockets being launched in the middle of the night, kids climbing our fence to get balls hit into our yard. Sometimes we'll call the police on them.
Most of the time, we have no problems with the happy noise from the Sports Park--it is usually kids playing or adults cheering on their kids. What we object to are the sudden, very loud and intrusive noise that amplified (PA) systems and air horns make. That is like living inside a sports stadium, which you also would not like to live in.
So, play away, use your "outside" voices, but please don't use air horns or amplified PA systems.
Posted by Jerry, a resident of the Birdland neighborhood, on Jul 22, 2010 at 5:27 pm
Westsider, bitter battle, Mark, Dominic, Really?, Nosy Neighbors, and P Resident fail to appreciate that the goal of the sports goal is for a location for the enjoyment of sports in the Pleasanton Community as a whole (remember the motto: "Pleasanton - Community of Character").
The Sports Park is not the problem. As is typical of gatherings, there is a small population of unruly people who by a lack of discipline, a lack of maturity, or intoxication, take advantage of the situation to be obnoxious.
The periodic screams of delight are fine. Dominic - it's the miscreants' air horns and the amplified screaming that penetrate closed windows and doors, and make home enjoyment impossible that are a problem. For the uninformed, public address systems are prohibited. (Rule 15 of the SPORTS PARK - SOFTBALL COMPLEX Tournament & Rental Policies. (Web Link.) Even if amplification were permitted, megaphones carry sound over 700 feet. (Web Link). The adult fields are 300 feet in size. (Web Link). Most spectators are within 150 feet of the field center. (Web Link) Maximum amplification is therefore unnecessary. Children, as noted above, speak sufficiently loud that little amplification is needed.
Westsider - This is more than an increase in background noise in Pleasanton. We hear I-680 also, especially at 5 AM through closed windows and doors before the noise on Hopyard and Valley drown it out. The size and relative darkness of the sports park at night (the lights go out during the 10 PM hour) has made it an attractive location for the unleashed children and undisciplined persons of Pleasanton. This being summer we've had to accept firecrackers and bottle rockets launched at night in the sports park. And yes, we call the police (931.5122) to report unlawful noise - especially for the air horns.
bitter battle & P Resident - You're right, gunfire is not acceptable, but it's already here. Just last week we heard at 12:30 AM what sounded like 5 or 6 gunshots from the sports park. I know what getting evacuated is like. I lived in San Leandro at one time when the police evacuated the neighborhood when a guy started shooting at his wife. No fun.
Really? - many Birdland residents are the original property owners, or moved in during the '80's - before the Sports Park was built out. In the '70's Pleasanton had a much smaller population, fewer cars, and far fewer stoplights. In the '90's, users of the Sports Park were respectful. We'd get a few balls over the fence, but the dogs like to chew them. Now we get drink containers and trash thrown or blow over the fence. That's not community respect.
Mark - in the last 10 years, the noise from the Sports Park has grown in volume to be louder than in a factory, and at that's a distance of several hundred feet from the fields. Having company or family over for an outdoor party is then quite difficult. Apologizing for undisciplined, immature, or intoxicated misbehavior in the Sports Park was embarrassing. Now we just say that every community has its miscreants.
Nosy Neighbors - Busted yet for a DUI? You will be. I hear the sirens on Hopyard and Valley every weekend night and some weekday nights. Don't drink and drive (and yes, walking while intoxicated is illegal also).
A benefit of living in Pleasanton, and Birdland in particular (and one reason people knock on our doors and ask to buy our homes) is that Birdland is a great family community, and having the Sports Park nearby enhances that - to a degree. There are unfortunately, people who want to flaunt respectful community living. They are the ones who should move - to an area where disrespectful behavior is acceptable.
Posted by Jay, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Jul 22, 2010 at 6:50 pm
Westsider, etc. and the myriad of posters are not addressing your question. A lot of posters seem to have a contempt for the public, don't they?
If there are people hanging out at the park after hours and after 10 PM, it is supposed to be closed. Screaming and yelling? Call the police. You never know, but the screaming and yelling could mean that someone needs help. Don't hesitate to call the police at 931-5100 and report it. They will drive by and check it out.
Posted by sarcasm, a resident of the Country Fair neighborhood, on Jul 23, 2010 at 7:42 am
Man people are so hateful.. I can't believe there are people like you out there...why do you have to attack people for voicing their opinions? there is always 2 sides of a coin, if you discagree with someone and it doesn't effect you personally why attack them.. seriously people need to get lives
Posted by SteveP, a resident of the Parkside neighborhood, on Jul 23, 2010 at 9:37 am SteveP is a member (registered user) of PleasantonWeekly.com
Good thing our noisy neighbors drown out the sounds from the Sportspark at night with their late night hot tub parties.
Personnally, I love living near the park, but could really do without all the trash that the transient sports fans bring and leave all over. Especially the soccer slobs who come into town for tournaments, like the one going on now.
Walk through the park after about 5pm today, tomorrow and Sunday and see what I mean. I'm sure they are having fun, but are many are not smart enough to pick up after themselves, let alone cross the street (Parkside) without stepping directly into the path of a moving car.