Posted by Bunjo, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Jun 9, 2010 at 8:24 am
Okay so the union has problems with Castlewood and maybe you I the union might have some legitimacy. Then you hear they have the same problem with the Hyatt and they lose all credibility with me. It seems like they like to let their contracts lapse. This is like the person who's been divorced a numerous amount of times. At some point you have to say it might be THAT PERSON!
Posted by Keller, a resident of the Birdland neighborhood, on Jun 9, 2010 at 8:38 am
Unions have gone a long way in creating their own problem in a lot of sectors. The "bleed over" reflects the general frustration of business owners to contain costs. It's tough giving employees everything they want. I understand the need for benefits, but the nation voted against extending benefits (medical) and that may be the source of the current problem
Posted by Jeff, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Jun 9, 2010 at 10:38 am
San Francisco convention business is getting hit because of the continual picketing of hotels by unions. SF is getting the reputation not only as a city of left-wing loons but also one of labor loons. So, one more reason the Bay Area is getting hammered becuase of agressive unions. Companies avoid putting factories here and they avoid doing business here.
Once again, Castlewood should just fire all their picketing workers. They can easily hire replacements.
Posted by Keller, a resident of the Birdland neighborhood, on Jun 9, 2010 at 11:02 am
Jeff, you say "SF is getting the reputation not only as a city of left-wing loons but also one of labor loons"
I know how you feel about San Francisco, but Gavin Newsom and Kamala Harris won their respective seats (both pro-union), and San Francisco is considered the smartest city in the nation (slightly irrelevant except it goes to your issue of calling SF "loons" >>> Web Link. In addition, people representing the extreme conservative position like Tony Amador and Orly Taitz lost their bids. I am not disagreeing with you, in fact I think they should fire and see where things land after that. I'm just amazed that something as simple as Castlewood's union problem is still raging. But, could it be the "loons" are winning. Not my viewpoint mind you, but merely a thought.
Posted by Living wage, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Jun 9, 2010 at 2:52 pm
Cholo, reality check. Fair wage and living wage are TWO DIFFERENT thingS !! Every job, everywhere has it's value....not all jobs are the same. Some REQUIRE PhDs...they get paid more. Some are very rare and specialized...they get paid more. Yes, MANY jobs do not pay living wage. That's why there are 'roommates' , and bicycles and buses for those without cars. Many, many people take night classes to learn a trade, or work part-time to supplement spouses pay, or spend years working their way UP in a related field, etc. so that eventually they can get a living wage. A FAIR wage may not be a living wage. The UNeducated dummy union bosses better learn that. They are SO clueless crying 'strike', when they totally lack a basic understanding of economics. It causes grief for so many all the way around. What do they care...THEIR pay comes OUT of the earnings of their hostages !!
Posted by Bunjo, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Jun 10, 2010 at 8:11 am
Cholo, your posts contradict themselves. You say they should earn a fair wage. The Castlewood workers are asking for something that NO OTHER restaurant workers get. Ask any waitress or bartender if their health insurance is paid for and the answer will be no!
Also in your answer where you state "if you don't like unions, go live where unions don't exist" the same could be said about the workers could it not? Especially when their main complaint is on health care costs. Why not move to Canada or the UK where supposedly their health care system is so much better then ours anyways?
Posted by Larry, a resident of the Rosepointe neighborhood, on Jun 10, 2010 at 9:39 am
Castlewood is not a restaurant, it is a country club. The benefits that Castelewood has been paying are not out of line with other country clubs that Castlewood compares itself with - reportedly in the upper third, but not the highest. The union proposal reduces those benefits even lower, presumably closer to the medium.
Posted by Arnold, a member of the Foothill High School community, on Jun 10, 2010 at 11:25 am
Cholo, when are you going to realize that you and other union "workers" are slaves to the union? They have made it so that if you don't work for them you can't work. You have been taken advantage of by them for years. YOU pay their salary and now they keep you from a job.
Many of the workers wanted to leave the union and come back to Castlewood but the union said NO! Then the union has you protest and call the club and it members disparaging names and you expect them to hire you back? Are you nuts?
I suggest that when you start looking for a new job that you call your prospective new employer a bunch of names during the interview and see if he/she wants to hire you. I doubt it. So why would you do that at Castlewood? The union does not have your best interests in mind. They just want to protect their turf.
Times have changed its time to make your own decisions - leave the union and get a job on your own. Oh and try to respect your new employer and not call them names.
Posted by member, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Jun 10, 2010 at 11:31 am
Larry has taken very limited information that was published to the members and he thinks he can use as a lie for his union support. Larry why don't you quit the club before we kick you out. Castlewood should not be in this discussion; they have replaced all of the workers and moved on. The Union is a non-issue at Castlewood anymore.
Posted by Member, a resident of the Bonde Ranch neighborhood, on Jun 10, 2010 at 12:45 pm
There goes liberal Larry not telling the truth once again. Castlewood was at the TOP of benefits paid to their employees amoung country clubs in the Bay Area under the old contract. Under the new proposal, that the Union won't let the employees vote on, the benefits would still be in the top third of country clubs in the Bay Area and still tops in the East Bay.
Larry, as the other member said, I think it is time for you to move on by selling your membership (actually you can't sell since your wife is the member) but I guess you wouldn't be able to feed the Union inside information if you did that.
Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore, on Jun 10, 2010 at 4:08 pm
I will always support Unions. As a former union member, I benefitted greatly. I'm retired now. Not only should workers earn a living wage, they should also receive health care, including eye and dental care!
Posted by Rocky, a resident of another community, on Jun 12, 2010 at 4:42 pm
The union do not care about the employee's, because they will not listen to any employee's that have a bain in their head. I am one of the employee's that have been out of work for three and half months. You do not see any of the bartenders, server's and some long time cooks, on the pick line because we care about the members.
If you speak out, the union will not listen. There was a vote the union took a couple of weeks ago to get the union member's of Castlewood to agree to pay $5.00 per month for the next three years added to their dues. Out of 58 union members only 17 members voted.
We do not pay dues now because of the lock-out. The union wanted people to go the valley course parking lot to vote, so they could than say things and tell some of their lies. Most people stayed
away. The union are losing the support of their members. They will never let us vote on the final Castlewood Contact. The problem is the union is fighting for health and warefare for ten (10) family members. There are 19 Union member's that has Wife plus family.
But Nine(9) has dual insuarnce with the Husband or Wife. So 58 union members have to lose their jobs.
For anyone that have been putting in for new jobs will find-out how great working for Castlewood was. I am very sorry for what the union has done to our membership. I have paid union dues for 30 years and have service my country in Viet Nam and the Marine Corps for ten(10) years. But the union does not listen to its membership.
The truth is not something the union know how to deal with.
Posted by tim, a resident of the Danville neighborhood, on Jun 12, 2010 at 11:09 pm
These are the details shared with cc members:
Of the 138 emails sent to the board, 6 can be categorized as neutral or supporting the union position.
The cc proposal is ~ 9% higher than the avg health benefit of the 14 area country clubs and presumably the pleasanton owned Calippe course
The club does not discriminate against non-union members, if the union proposal is accepted the added health care cost to the club for all eligible workers (union and non-union) amounts to ~450K/yr
Yes CC was generous and paid all health care til now. But times change and cost of health care has skyrocketed. Continuing to pay for all health care represents real wage and benefit increases that are unrealistic.
Posted by Larry, a resident of the Rosepointe neighborhood, on Jun 14, 2010 at 3:55 pm
Tim - It is useful to look at the numbers. If there were 138 emails then that means over 80% of the CCC members were silent on the issue. Most of those 138 were supportive of the Board in general, not a specific position so there is room for the Board to continue to negotiate and still have strong member support. The Board proposal is 6.5% above the area average, but not the highest. It is arguable whether the Union proposal is any more costly than that when you figure in the raises the Board gave non-union employees and the raises the Union is willing to forgo to get the heath benefits they want. Even if you accept the Board numbers it would only take $150K/yr to meet the union proposal for the union members and that is roughly $16/m per CCC member. While the Board historically treated the union and non-union the same with respect to health care they broke from policy that last year when they unilaterally changed the non-union health benefits, so they are a little weak on arguing they have to be the same today - maybe they can negotiate their way back to "one-plan" over the term of the new contract. And remember the Board wants to still pay the full health benefits of single employees and its the Union who wants all employees to pay some part - hard to figure the Board thinking there - but I think there is room to negotiate. Overall it seems like it is in the interest of both sides to negotiate - no last and final offers on either side.
Posted by Member, a resident of the Bonde Ranch neighborhood, on Jun 14, 2010 at 9:11 pm
It is thinking like Larry's that has gotten us into the mess we are in today. Thank God Larry can't negotiate for us because he would give away the farm once again. It's not necessarily the cost today or even next year but the cost 5 and 6 years from now when you compound it out. At some point you have to say enough is enough.
Larry, How big of a sample size do you need to make you realize that there is 95% support for the Boards position on this and your position is in the minority. The Board is doing what the membership wants done. Heck, you do all the screaming and you can't even vote since you are not even a member, your wife is.
Posted by Curly, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Jun 15, 2010 at 5:31 pm
To Cholo - A "living wage" is a concept dreamed up by some "progressive" academic who has not clue what it means to live in a world where you are judged everyday by what you add in comparison to others.
You have no right to a living wage, health care, vision care or dental care. You do have the right to earn the money to pay for these services. That is why so many work so hard to learn and develop skills that are valuable enough to generate the kind of income necessary to pay for these things.
To Larry - Your an idiot. Please take your beret and go hang out at the coffee house with all the other socialist idiots.
Posted by Member, a resident of the Bonde Ranch neighborhood, on Jun 16, 2010 at 8:40 am
You do not have to be a member of the Board to support the position that the Board has taken. The time for FREE FAMILY healthcare is over. If the Union doesn't come to its senses then it will be a long hot summer and an even colder winter for the locked out employees. I urge the union to let the employees vote on the contract that is on the table. If you are right that it is such a bad contract then the employees will vote it down and management will be forced back to the bargaining table.
Just think about it, the ball is in your court, you have a valid proposal from management in your hand and all you have to do is let the employees vote and whatever happens happens.
Posted by member, a resident of the Bonde Ranch neighborhood, on Jun 16, 2010 at 8:58 pm
Is that the best you can come up with? Hell you don't even have an offer on the table, the Club has been waiting weeks for your "counter proposal" and you never call. You know that the membership does not approve the contract, that it is strictly the Board of Directors responsibility. Also the Board has the overwhelming support of the membership to hold the line with the offer that has been proposed to the union. Just read the email replies that the Board posted for the members to review, I'm sure that someone has forwarded them onto you by now.
You just don't get it, the Club has made an offer and it is up to you to vote on it. We have the jobs and your employees don't, they would rather chant and bang drums but I think that is even getting old for them at this point.
Posted by Observer, a resident of the Castlewood neighborhood, on Jun 18, 2010 at 4:45 pm
P.S. And your overwhelming support comes from an uninformed membership. Most of them don't even know that you currently cover 100% of health care for the employees. The membership claims that everyone should pay for their healthcare, the way they do. UNINFORMED.