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Union that represents locked-out Castlewood workers strikes Hyatt Regency hotel

Original post made on Jun 9, 2010

About 400 hotel workers at the Hyatt Regency San Francisco are walking off their jobs Tuesday to highlight months of contract disputes, according to union representatives.

Read the full story here Web Link posted Wednesday, June 9, 2010, 7:17 AM

Comments (33)

Posted by jon, a resident of Pleasanton Valley
on Jun 9, 2010 at 7:41 am

good for the Hyatt and Castlewood. Unions are bad for business and bad for employees. Unions are in place to serve themselves

Posted by Bunjo, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jun 9, 2010 at 8:24 am

Okay so the union has problems with Castlewood and maybe you I the union might have some legitimacy. Then you hear they have the same problem with the Hyatt and they lose all credibility with me. It seems like they like to let their contracts lapse. This is like the person who's been divorced a numerous amount of times. At some point you have to say it might be THAT PERSON!

Posted by Keller, a resident of Birdland
on Jun 9, 2010 at 8:38 am

Unions have gone a long way in creating their own problem in a lot of sectors. The "bleed over" reflects the general frustration of business owners to contain costs. It's tough giving employees everything they want. I understand the need for benefits, but the nation voted against extending benefits (medical) and that may be the source of the current problem

Posted by Show 'em, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jun 9, 2010 at 10:19 am

The union bosses were planning the strike, which is why they won't ALLOW CCC workers to settle(for their own benefit). They want the world to know "we TUFF" !.(and stupid).

Posted by Jeff, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jun 9, 2010 at 10:38 am

San Francisco convention business is getting hit because of the continual picketing of hotels by unions. SF is getting the reputation not only as a city of left-wing loons but also one of labor loons. So, one more reason the Bay Area is getting hammered becuase of agressive unions. Companies avoid putting factories here and they avoid doing business here.

Once again, Castlewood should just fire all their picketing workers. They can easily hire replacements.

Posted by Keller, a resident of Birdland
on Jun 9, 2010 at 11:02 am

Jeff, you say "SF is getting the reputation not only as a city of left-wing loons but also one of labor loons"

I know how you feel about San Francisco, but Gavin Newsom and Kamala Harris won their respective seats (both pro-union), and San Francisco is considered the smartest city in the nation (slightly irrelevant except it goes to your issue of calling SF "loons" >>> Web Link. In addition, people representing the extreme conservative position like Tony Amador and Orly Taitz lost their bids. I am not disagreeing with you, in fact I think they should fire and see where things land after that. I'm just amazed that something as simple as Castlewood's union problem is still raging. But, could it be the "loons" are winning. Not my viewpoint mind you, but merely a thought.

Posted by Clueless, a resident of Bridle Creek
on Jun 9, 2010 at 11:06 am

Someone should send the board the Castlewood success story in fending off these thugs. Surely there are ample of people who wants the jobs Hyatt has to offer. Lock em out!

Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore
on Jun 9, 2010 at 11:20 am

I totally support union and union workers. GO GO GO...ALL THE WAY IN ONE PLAY!

HOORAY! You have a right to earn a decent wage with benefits.

Posted by To Cholo, a resident of Civic Square
on Jun 9, 2010 at 11:48 am

Everyone has the right to a decent and competitive wage..

As long as it is competitive then I agree 100%.

What the castlewood workers are asking for is not compettive to other similar positions.

But in typical Union fashion they want MORE MUCH MORE than a competitive wage.

Posted by Arroyo, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jun 9, 2010 at 1:15 pm

The union wanted the CCC strike to be settled in their favor so they could hammer their other signatory employers with the concessions they planned to extort at Castlewood. Didn't work out, did it?

Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore
on Jun 9, 2010 at 2:21 pm

I will ALWAYS stand behind unions. They win some and they lose some.

Management needs a nudge in the right direction. Working class citizens contribute greatly to the economy. The more they earn, the more taxes they pay.

I say let them work and earn a fair living wage.


Posted by Living wage, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jun 9, 2010 at 2:52 pm

Cholo, reality check. Fair wage and living wage are TWO DIFFERENT thingS !! Every job, everywhere has it's value....not all jobs are the same. Some REQUIRE PhDs...they get paid more. Some are very rare and specialized...they get paid more. Yes, MANY jobs do not pay living wage. That's why there are 'roommates' , and bicycles and buses for those without cars. Many, many people take night classes to learn a trade, or work part-time to supplement spouses pay, or spend years working their way UP in a related field, etc. so that eventually they can get a living wage. A FAIR wage may not be a living wage. The UNeducated dummy union bosses better learn that. They are SO clueless crying 'strike', when they totally lack a basic understanding of economics. It causes grief for so many all the way around. What do they care...THEIR pay comes OUT of the earnings of their hostages !!

Posted by Living Wage, a resident of Pleasanton Middle School
on Jun 9, 2010 at 3:21 pm

Actually you are wrong on one point. MOST if not ALL of the Unions Bosses pay comes from YOU and I through our taxes.

We pay taxes (property, state etc..) -> that goes to pay for Services like Teachers and Firemen -> They TAKE Union Dues -> and that pays for Union Bosses.

Now Cholo will SAY hey wait I pay taxes too and that means that I also pay for the union bosses. Yes but the ONLY way you can pay taxes is because we PAY for you to pay your taxes.

Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore
on Jun 9, 2010 at 6:04 pm

well duh...I strongly support Unions. All Americans need to earn a living wage. If you have trouble with that, too bad!

Union employees are hard working Americans that pay taxes. Just like any other working person. Many have served in the military and they are worthy Americans just anybody else.
Some folks may have a Ph.D. but did they also serve in the US military. If they did, good. But if they haven't, how come?

Now you looky here effendi, if you don't like unions, go live someplace where unions don't exist.

Posted by Bunjo, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jun 10, 2010 at 8:11 am

Cholo, your posts contradict themselves. You say they should earn a fair wage. The Castlewood workers are asking for something that NO OTHER restaurant workers get. Ask any waitress or bartender if their health insurance is paid for and the answer will be no!

Also in your answer where you state "if you don't like unions, go live where unions don't exist" the same could be said about the workers could it not? Especially when their main complaint is on health care costs. Why not move to Canada or the UK where supposedly their health care system is so much better then ours anyways?

Posted by Larry, a resident of Rosepointe
on Jun 10, 2010 at 9:39 am

Castlewood is not a restaurant, it is a country club. The benefits that Castelewood has been paying are not out of line with other country clubs that Castlewood compares itself with - reportedly in the upper third, but not the highest. The union proposal reduces those benefits even lower, presumably closer to the medium.

Posted by Arnold, a resident of Foothill High School
on Jun 10, 2010 at 11:25 am

Cholo, when are you going to realize that you and other union "workers" are slaves to the union? They have made it so that if you don't work for them you can't work. You have been taken advantage of by them for years. YOU pay their salary and now they keep you from a job.

Many of the workers wanted to leave the union and come back to Castlewood but the union said NO! Then the union has you protest and call the club and it members disparaging names and you expect them to hire you back? Are you nuts?

I suggest that when you start looking for a new job that you call your prospective new employer a bunch of names during the interview and see if he/she wants to hire you. I doubt it. So why would you do that at Castlewood? The union does not have your best interests in mind. They just want to protect their turf.

Times have changed its time to make your own decisions - leave the union and get a job on your own. Oh and try to respect your new employer and not call them names.

Posted by member, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jun 10, 2010 at 11:31 am

Larry has taken very limited information that was published to the members and he thinks he can use as a lie for his union support. Larry why don't you quit the club before we kick you out. Castlewood should not be in this discussion; they have replaced all of the workers and moved on. The Union is a non-issue at Castlewood anymore.

Posted by Member, a resident of Bonde Ranch
on Jun 10, 2010 at 12:45 pm

There goes liberal Larry not telling the truth once again. Castlewood was at the TOP of benefits paid to their employees amoung country clubs in the Bay Area under the old contract. Under the new proposal, that the Union won't let the employees vote on, the benefits would still be in the top third of country clubs in the Bay Area and still tops in the East Bay.
Larry, as the other member said, I think it is time for you to move on by selling your membership (actually you can't sell since your wife is the member) but I guess you wouldn't be able to feed the Union inside information if you did that.

Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore
on Jun 10, 2010 at 4:08 pm

I will always support Unions. As a former union member, I benefitted greatly. I'm retired now. Not only should workers earn a living wage, they should also receive health care, including eye and dental care!

Yup...the u n i o n, the union is for me! HOORAY!

Posted by to Larry, a resident of Foothill High School
on Jun 10, 2010 at 4:20 pm

Larry it is obvious that you saw the support from virtually all of the membership to keep the union out or at least only let them back under the generous terms that the club has offered.

So, why would you want to continue to stay at a club that you disagree with so strongly?

Just move on. The club will be just fine with out you or the union.


Posted by Rocky, a resident of another community
on Jun 12, 2010 at 4:42 pm

The union do not care about the employee's, because they will not listen to any employee's that have a bain in their head. I am one of the employee's that have been out of work for three and half months. You do not see any of the bartenders, server's and some long time cooks, on the pick line because we care about the members.

If you speak out, the union will not listen. There was a vote the union took a couple of weeks ago to get the union member's of Castlewood to agree to pay $5.00 per month for the next three years added to their dues. Out of 58 union members only 17 members voted.
We do not pay dues now because of the lock-out. The union wanted people to go the valley course parking lot to vote, so they could than say things and tell some of their lies. Most people stayed
away. The union are losing the support of their members. They will never let us vote on the final Castlewood Contact. The problem is the union is fighting for health and warefare for ten (10) family members. There are 19 Union member's that has Wife plus family.
But Nine(9) has dual insuarnce with the Husband or Wife. So 58 union members have to lose their jobs.

For anyone that have been putting in for new jobs will find-out how great working for Castlewood was. I am very sorry for what the union has done to our membership. I have paid union dues for 30 years and have service my country in Viet Nam and the Marine Corps for ten(10) years. But the union does not listen to its membership.
The truth is not something the union know how to deal with.

The truth hurts.

Posted by tim, a resident of Danville
on Jun 12, 2010 at 11:09 pm

These are the details shared with cc members:

Of the 138 emails sent to the board, 6 can be categorized as neutral or supporting the union position.

The cc proposal is ~ 9% higher than the avg health benefit of the 14 area country clubs and presumably the pleasanton owned Calippe course

The club does not discriminate against non-union members, if the union proposal is accepted the added health care cost to the club for all eligible workers (union and non-union) amounts to ~450K/yr

Yes CC was generous and paid all health care til now. But times change and cost of health care has skyrocketed. Continuing to pay for all health care represents real wage and benefit increases that are unrealistic.

Posted by Larry, a resident of Rosepointe
on Jun 14, 2010 at 3:55 pm

Tim - It is useful to look at the numbers. If there were 138 emails then that means over 80% of the CCC members were silent on the issue. Most of those 138 were supportive of the Board in general, not a specific position so there is room for the Board to continue to negotiate and still have strong member support. The Board proposal is 6.5% above the area average, but not the highest. It is arguable whether the Union proposal is any more costly than that when you figure in the raises the Board gave non-union employees and the raises the Union is willing to forgo to get the heath benefits they want. Even if you accept the Board numbers it would only take $150K/yr to meet the union proposal for the union members and that is roughly $16/m per CCC member. While the Board historically treated the union and non-union the same with respect to health care they broke from policy that last year when they unilaterally changed the non-union health benefits, so they are a little weak on arguing they have to be the same today - maybe they can negotiate their way back to "one-plan" over the term of the new contract. And remember the Board wants to still pay the full health benefits of single employees and its the Union who wants all employees to pay some part - hard to figure the Board thinking there - but I think there is room to negotiate. Overall it seems like it is in the interest of both sides to negotiate - no last and final offers on either side.

Posted by Member, a resident of Bonde Ranch
on Jun 14, 2010 at 9:11 pm

It is thinking like Larry's that has gotten us into the mess we are in today. Thank God Larry can't negotiate for us because he would give away the farm once again. It's not necessarily the cost today or even next year but the cost 5 and 6 years from now when you compound it out. At some point you have to say enough is enough.
Larry, How big of a sample size do you need to make you realize that there is 95% support for the Boards position on this and your position is in the minority. The Board is doing what the membership wants done. Heck, you do all the screaming and you can't even vote since you are not even a member, your wife is.

Posted by Curly, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jun 15, 2010 at 5:31 pm

To Cholo - A "living wage" is a concept dreamed up by some "progressive" academic who has not clue what it means to live in a world where you are judged everyday by what you add in comparison to others.

You have no right to a living wage, health care, vision care or dental care. You do have the right to earn the money to pay for these services. That is why so many work so hard to learn and develop skills that are valuable enough to generate the kind of income necessary to pay for these things.

To Larry - Your an idiot. Please take your beret and go hang out at the coffee house with all the other socialist idiots.

Posted by Curly, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jun 15, 2010 at 5:33 pm

Oops, gramatical error, now I am an idiot!

Posted by Observer, a resident of Castlewood
on Jun 15, 2010 at 7:56 pm

Well the Union must really be getting to the CCC Board members. They seem to do a lot of posting for a board that doesn't want to make this "public"....

Posted by Member, a resident of Bonde Ranch
on Jun 16, 2010 at 8:40 am

You do not have to be a member of the Board to support the position that the Board has taken. The time for FREE FAMILY healthcare is over. If the Union doesn't come to its senses then it will be a long hot summer and an even colder winter for the locked out employees. I urge the union to let the employees vote on the contract that is on the table. If you are right that it is such a bad contract then the employees will vote it down and management will be forced back to the bargaining table.
Just think about it, the ball is in your court, you have a valid proposal from management in your hand and all you have to do is let the employees vote and whatever happens happens.

Posted by Observer, a resident of Castlewood
on Jun 16, 2010 at 4:22 pm

And maybe CCC will decide to let their members vote on the Union's last proposal?? Sounds fair enough.

Posted by member, a resident of Bonde Ranch
on Jun 16, 2010 at 8:58 pm

Is that the best you can come up with? Hell you don't even have an offer on the table, the Club has been waiting weeks for your "counter proposal" and you never call. You know that the membership does not approve the contract, that it is strictly the Board of Directors responsibility. Also the Board has the overwhelming support of the membership to hold the line with the offer that has been proposed to the union. Just read the email replies that the Board posted for the members to review, I'm sure that someone has forwarded them onto you by now.
You just don't get it, the Club has made an offer and it is up to you to vote on it. We have the jobs and your employees don't, they would rather chant and bang drums but I think that is even getting old for them at this point.

Posted by Observer, a resident of Castlewood
on Jun 18, 2010 at 4:39 pm

There's that member of the Board speaking again. Mr. Closure should put a muzzle on you guys. You're not helping Castlewood's reputation.

Posted by Observer, a resident of Castlewood
on Jun 18, 2010 at 4:45 pm

P.S. And your overwhelming support comes from an uninformed membership. Most of them don't even know that you currently cover 100% of health care for the employees. The membership claims that everyone should pay for their healthcare, the way they do. UNINFORMED.

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