How Environmentalists Forced Deep Water Drilling...(vs. Shallow Water) State, National, International, posted by Outraged over Enviro-Extremists, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on May 25, 2010 at 11:42 am
It is painfully obvious that shallow water drilling is much safer and easier to prevent major spills. However, where is the OUTRAGE over the environmentalists who forced offshore drilling into the VERY DEEP WATERS???
Posted by m, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on May 25, 2010 at 11:49 am
There are probably more factors going into the "cause" of the spill. One thing is certain: when these spills occur they are devastating. I'm particularly concerned over the lack of a sense of urgency about the spill and the cause it is doing on a massive level. We can blame later ... I'm sure there will be lots of finger pointing to do ... BUT! It seems to me that everyone is sitting around the table nonchalantly doing NOTHING ... when I say everyone I mean everyone. I'm outraged too, but I think we should re-focus our outrage at stopping the flow of oil into the Gulf. That's job number 1 right now.
Posted by Why ?, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on May 25, 2010 at 11:50 pm
You're right. I remember last year, Pelosi cancelled anything even moderatedly close to shore, saying it could only be permitted great distance. She didn't want anybody to see...so we're in very deep do-do, er excuse me, water !! Since day one, I feel sure several eco-terrorists did the damage....it was no coincidence that it was a week or less after Obama said he was going to allow MORE of shore drilling. A sure way to stop any more drilling.!!...at least for the moment. Eco-terrorists bombed a company in Hacienda about 4 years ago, because they didn't like their products or testing of products. Houses under construction around Tahoe have been fire bombed, College professors have their cars sabotoged. Drug company in Emeryville was fire bombed several years ago. No accident. They delivered their message. They don't care if they shut down the US economy...the main thing is it will be with solar or nothing at all...very zealous and close-minded. Zero tolerance.
Posted by Jane, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on May 26, 2010 at 10:30 am
NPR ran a story this morning about the justice department investigators that are on the scene along with FBI investigators who have been there since survivors started coming ashore.
Given that it was a failed mechanical device a mile underwater, eco-terrorism is unlikely. Who ordered the federal investigation that began immediately after the explosion? My money is on homeland security.
Posted by Jane, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on May 26, 2010 at 2:16 pm
Amy -- As you can see, only 10.1% on average of their funding comes from federal sources, hardly making NPR a puppet organization. Sure beats Rupert Murdock's global media machine in terms of influence, in my opinion.
* 32.1% from listeners in the form of pledges, memberships, and other donations
* 21.1% from businesses via corporate underwriting
* 10.1% from the Corporation for Public Broadcasting (CPB), which is federally funded
* 13.6% from licensee support (including colleges and universities)
Posted by Jane, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on May 26, 2010 at 2:21 pm
Of the 5.8% from federal, state, and local governments, only 1.2% on average is directly from federal sources, and the majority of that amount is from the agriculture department and the rest is from NOAA.
Rather insignificant, but added to the 10.1% from CPB, and the grand total is 11.4% on average.
Posted by Jane, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on May 26, 2010 at 8:16 pm
To get back on topic, the spill clean-up is not Obama's responsibility. By federal law, the operators and owners are 100% responsible for all clean-up and associated costs. The feds are only in place as liaisons with the USCG and the EPA.
Amy, maybe you should head down to the Gulf and volunteer on a marsh clean-up crew. I am sure BP can use the help.
Posted by Jane, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on May 27, 2010 at 7:34 am
"The main contributing factor" of this spill is a mechanical device that failed a mile under water, owned by a multi-national oil conglomerate with weak maintenance procedures and poor safety policies. With that combination of factors, this spill could just as easily have happened in a shallow water drilling operation as in a deep one. Had it happened closer to shore, the disaster would have been magnified.
All oil platforms leak a small amount of oil all the time. It is considered an acceptable part of their operations. The small amount of oil that seeps from the rigs off the coast of Santa Barbara wash up on local beaches every day, all day. You can see it on your feet after a short walk in the sand.
Blaming those that want rigs farther from shore to avoid the ongoing daily contamination from drilling operations for this incident is illogical at best.
Posted by Outraged over Enviro-Extremists, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on May 27, 2010 at 9:01 am
What is "illogical at best" are your comments. When will you wake up to understand that it is the enviro-left that forced the oil drilling into very risky deep waters. Yes, BP has a large role in the fault, however they wouldn't even be in this position if they were allowed to drill in waters where any spillage would be easily capped with minimal impact. This gulf spill is HUGE and the enviro-leftists SHOULD BE HELD TO ACCOUNT.
I DESPISE THE LEFT, and DESPISE THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA.
There's no evidence that environmentalists are at fault in any fashion and plenty of evidence that BP was negligent between having no acoustic shut-off switch and the saltwater for mud controversy. Pretty funny to see how somebody's hatred for environmentalists could cloud your mind so badly.
There NOTHING that proves environmentalists are the reason behind deepwater drilling? And no, Saran Palin's Facebook blog post doesn't count.
You realize off-shore Gulf Coast oil production peaked over a decade ago (1997)? I guess that was the environmentalists fault, too?
You know why they were drilling in deep water? Because there's a lot of oil there. Maybe you've seen some of it leaking out of the broken pipe? Sounds like Brazil is what oil companies are licking their chops over now.
FYI: Google the Minerals Management Service document titled "Deepwater Gulf of Mexico 2009: Interim Report of 2008 Highlights" and you'll get a better idea of the whats/whys/wheres of oil drilling. Google the term "peak oil".
"There was something like an “arms race” to develop better and better deepwater technology, to go for the next levels down. We’ve seen this race to deeper and deeper water. And it’s all because the so called “cheap oil” is gone."
Posted by Why ?, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Jun 14, 2010 at 10:35 pm
The NO drilling crowd would HAVE to assume the responsibility for shutting down the US economy. We have deaths with DIRTY coal (clean coal is an impossible misnomer). In a decade solar won't hit double digit % or supply the cars that will be waiting. The bearded cavemen from the last century won't allow increasing our 25% use of carbon-free, all-clean nuclear with recycled, reprocessed, reusable residue. Abundant nuclear could happen fast & on a TINY footprint and privide equal to all other sources, CUTTING the need for dirty oil, dirty coal, & not-yet ready renewable ! The ignorant, bought-off, hypocritical politicians SAY stop nasty 'foreign' oil. OK. So more domestic? NO, stop that too. Off- shore, not really,UNLESS you guys go way, way out, & really, really deep !! So now that we've abount turned off the economy, by turning off all sources of immediate energy...then those bad drillers that were PUSHED WAY out there have an accident. Well, that leaves plenty of the old dirty power, or no economy. BRILLIANT chices! The geniuis of these law makers ! What country are they working FOR ? certainly not America !!
Posted by Why ?, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Jun 14, 2010 at 11:06 pm
If you don't fully understand the miracle of nuclear, in that it would solve and free-up so much other dirty, scarce, or not-yet-perfected energy source....right now go to KGO 810 AM radio. Physicist Dr. Bill Wattenburg is on for several hours tonight & tomorrow. In minutes, at 11PM he's having on a guest Professor Rich Muller, Physics for Future Presidents. We were just now reminded that Patrick Moore, FOUNDER of GreenPeace, which today he does not even approve of, because as he became educated, he now crusades for nuclear power. Moore's site is www.GreenSpirit.com. He says nuclear is the ONLY solution to save our country FAST enough.
There is NO way solar can provide the 'bridge' from today's power to 21st century power...not ENOUGH to supply a world-class economy. Without abundant power, we will slip to a 3rd world status. We MUST have ABUNDANT power to turn the wheels of the US economy. So far Congress just says NO, NO, NO. to all power....except what we have the least of, and is not yet perfected, nor a way figured out for that power delivery. Sadly, the ignorant rule ...and are dictating our demise. Once they get educated, face reality, etc. will be too late, to 'gear up' in time !! in other words fail safe...too late to correct.
Posted by Amy, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Jun 15, 2010 at 7:18 am
I was standing right behind our own "Nancy" McNerney at one of his disastrous "Congress At Your Corner" meetings and heard him talk about the wonders of KUDZU as a bioenergy fuel. KUDZU.
Hey, Jerry, let me know when we'll be able to use KUDZU as jet-fuel. While I am in favor of alternative energy sources, America is powered by oil, coal and gas Jerry. Where are all these "green jobs" Jerry???
I've been holding my breath for your breakthrough in KUDZU as an energy source!!!
(America is in a world-of-hurt with people like McNerney in office. I strongly believe that it is people like him that are hastening America's downfall.)
Posted by Why ?, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Jun 15, 2010 at 9:35 am
We are held hostage by the head-in-the-clouds crowd, who will not wake up from their dreams long enough to face reality. We should be doing ALL. But the cavemen keep us trapped, and keep repeating falsehoods, and fantasies about what is just around the corner. China is zooming so far ahead of us, SO FAST, while we dither, hoping any year now, MAYBE solar could get up to double digit output...currently wind AND solar combined are under 5 %. As Obama, for payoff to his green DONORS, is using 1/2 BILL $$ at a crack, to solar'INVESTORS", (investors use their own $) with OUR TAXPAYER stimulus $$ narrowly focusing on surprise...SOLAR !! OK, but NOT to the EXCLUSION of more NUCLEAR NOW...proven. Talk about JOBS ! ! Get honest ! Nuclear would even provide CONSTRUCTION jobs. But this is about funding 'favorite pets' ! IF it was about US economy keeping pace with China, we'd be doing ALL..it will be decades before solar can support this economy. MEANWHILE nuclear works, and we can & should be open minded enough to proceed with ALL. Let the best win !
Posted by Amy, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Jun 15, 2010 at 10:02 am
you are correct, but Obama isn't interested in America winning anything. He wants to destroy it and he is winning. If he had any interest in nuclear, he would have allocated at least a buck or two from the TARP budget. But NO. Zero funds were allocated from TARP to nuclear. That should tell all Americans what priority he places on jobs, on our energy independence, and on our national security.
Posted by kelly, a resident of another community, on Jun 20, 2010 at 9:43 am
"Obama isn't interested in America winning anything. He wants to destroy it and he is winning" - Amy
You really truly believe the man wants to "destroy" America? You sound like the people who blamed Bush for 9/11.
Obama is a Democrat. Democrats' have certain philosophies. Republicans' have certain philosophies. Democrats won in November because their philosophies and because Republican philosophies rang false (Bush spent tons of money, increased size of gov't, etc.) Don't be such a sore loser.