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Original post made by Getting Hosed on May 23, 2010

It's 10:30 in the morning and there are 6 firemen leisurely shopping at Safeway. Six! That means if they spent an hour that means it took 6 man hours to shop for groceries. Six Hours! Now, if wife or myself spent six hours shopping at Safeway on a workday that would be obscene. I know, it's a tradition to waste time cooking for firemen. Yes, they do some many other things. Blah! Blah! Oh yes, and driving the big rig that get's 3-6 miles per gallon. We talk about politics but we don't talk about government waste. This is waste. Yes, a tradition of waste.

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Posted by Bob, a resident of Bridle Creek
on May 23, 2010 at 11:08 am

They all have to go together because if there is an emergency call they all have drop what they are doing and react! Maybe they were just coming back from an emergency and stopped to get something to eat. Maybe they should start shoping after a midnight, 3:30am call, then people like you wouldnt complain!

Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore
on May 23, 2010 at 11:34 am

Unless you have a photo of the 6 firemen shopping, it's hearsay!

I don't understand why somebody takes time to gossip about something that most likely didn't happen.

Where is your proof?

i rest my case...

Posted by unclehomerr.., a resident of Downtown
on May 23, 2010 at 1:58 pm

Bob's right.

But, if there really were 6.. there probably were 2 trucks outside. Maybe even coincidentally an Alameda County truck and a Livermore-Pleasanton truck. They all work 24hr shifts and have to eat, yanno.

What you didn't see [or say] was that they are in radio contact.. like a cop in a donut shop.. and there's [usually] a driver standing by the truck, also monitoring the radio. If there's an emergency, the firefighters in the store stop their shopping.. and run to the now running truck with lights flashing.. and respond to their call.

God love 'em, keep them safe.. and Have A Nice Dinner!


Posted by My 2/100, a resident of San Ramon
on May 23, 2010 at 4:33 pm

The firefighters have my permission, and the permission of every reasonable person, to eat. That requires purchasing food.

Bob, you use the word "obscene." You don't know the meaning of the word.

Open your heart Bob. And if you can't do that, open your wallet. It's a pleasure spending your $$$ and watching your head spin at the same time.

Posted by Anonymous, a resident of Ruby Hill
on May 23, 2010 at 6:41 pm

Well if you dont want them to go shopping as a crew, why don't you happily go volunteer and buy their grocery's.

Posted by Your Taxpayer $$'s @ Wrk, a resident of Vineyard Avenue
on May 23, 2010 at 10:39 pm

OK, here's the deal all of you (us) taxpayers! It doesn't matter how many firefighters WE think it takes to protect the public; it depends on what the firefighter's UNION demands!!! The fact is, 90% of the calls for the fire dept. are for medical/emergency purposes. FIRES are not the primary reason for calling the "fire" department. It's all UNION controlled, regardless of the nature of the emergency. That's why so many cities are now looking at the benefits of merging police and fire departments with neighboring cities; it only makes sense in these tough economic times!!!

Posted by M., a resident of Downtown
on May 23, 2010 at 11:25 pm

M. is a registered user.

So according to the PW forums, or at least a handful of the idiots here emergency personnel should have the following changes enacted.

1. No pensions.
2. No creature comforts in the fire stations.
3. No purchasing food while on shift
4. No use of department vehicles for activities not directly related to responding to emergency calls i.e. getting the station's food.
5. Lower staffing levels further
6. Across the board pay cuts.
7. No unions becasue all unions are BAD and evil!
8. Whatever random lunatic's idea(s) I missed.

Great ideas guys!
By the way I was wondering is our city fire proof, and are there no medical emergencies here in Pleasanton?

I only ask because it would only be logical to assume we are immune to such things seeing as going without the above mentioned services would place us poor Pleasanton residents in a bit of danger.

Posted by Sarah, a resident of Birdland
on May 24, 2010 at 6:19 am

So if they aren't out on an emergency, what do you expect them to do? Sit at the station and do nothing? How is that any different than going grocery shopping? And when do you expect them to shop?

And if they had taken another car and there was an emergency, they would have to go back to the station first to pick up the truck. Don't think that works out very well.

Seems to me the alternative is to PAY someone just to do their grocery shopping, which in the end would cost more. I would argue that what they were doing was actually the most effective and cost efficient solution.

Posted by Pat, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 24, 2010 at 8:43 am

Why are the two of you doing the shopping. Only takes one. Geez, find something else to complain about and don't wasting our time with this. Write about something positive...

Posted by Taxpayers Hosed, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 24, 2010 at 8:44 am

I have seen the firemen shopping trips many times. I have also observed firemen at Club Sport routinely turning what should be 40-minute workouts into a 3-hour lounging, spa-ing, and shooting-the-bull sessions. It's a way of life in places like California where unions rule the roost.

In the state where I used to live, firemen did other things to stay productive such as doing auto repairs, having machine shops, and building furniture at the fire station, teaching safety and first aid classes, checking and filling fire extinguishers. The cooking and grocery shopping was done by a domestic-services employee.

This driving the fire truck with 3-4 firemen to the grocery store and lounging for hours at the fitness club is a load of cr*p on the taxpayers dime, not to mention the retire after 20 years at full pay fiasco.

Posted by ca94566, a resident of Castlewood
on May 24, 2010 at 8:46 am

I love watching Fireman shop, not only are they nice to look at, I have asked them for cooking tips.

Posted by Jon, a resident of Birdland
on May 24, 2010 at 8:55 am

To Getting Hosed:

I suggest you go and do a ride along with them. One of the other posters here is correct. They all have to go in case of an emergency. Can you imagine if you call the fire dept because your house is on fire and they have to go back to the fire house to pick up everyone before they can come help you? At the start of each shift all the firefighters on that shift pitch in $40 for the groceries for the shift (usually 3 days on) and then go shopping. Yes, they have to take the truck as well because they can't really show up in their cars for an emergency. I have done the ride along and on my ride along we did the shopping for the shift, so this is how I know what and why they do this.

You're pathetic for even bringing this up. 72 hours shifts and they can't shop? You are a waste. How many hours do you put in a week? I can guarantee it is NOT 72. You would not have all this free time to shop with your wife and complain about our Firefighters.

Get a life!

Posted by Gigi Wang, a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on May 24, 2010 at 8:55 am

By being out and about it the community, the firemen are indirectly reminding us that they are there readily available to protect us. Over the years, they have been so nice to my two young boys (no longer so little), talking to them and showing parts of their gear whenever we ran into them. And when my son got hurt with some fireworks, they were immediately there and so kind and patient to a very scared little boy. Yes, firemen, please keep coming to Safeway and giving us the feeling that you are close by and we can be assured we are safe!

Posted by Patriot, a resident of Carriage Gardens
on May 24, 2010 at 9:00 am

Unbelievable for someone not to understand how the Fire Department personnel have to justify the fact that they have to go to Safeway to purchase their food for their shift. Their work day usually starts at 8 AM and they immediatley get ready for what ever emergency--whether it be medical or a fire to do their job--they make sure that their personal equipment, their engine or truck, etc. are all ready to go on any emergency. They do "work out" at the house so that they can remain physically fit, they are always training, they do "inspections" frequently throughout the day in the community and on and on. And Yes the do go shopping for the food that they must prepare for lunch and for dinner and Yes they do all go together to shop--they carry 2 way radios with them so that they can immediately depart as a "crew" from Safeway for any emergency in a "flash" of time--I have seen them leave their carts and "hustle" to their awaiting Engine/Truck and head off to the emergency. So lighten up on all of this and be proud of all our local Fire Department personnel--you may need them yourself one day and remember that the victims they help and save are always proud of them. God Bless all of our Responders. They are the greatest.

Posted by Nosy Neighbors, a resident of Pleasanton Heights
on May 24, 2010 at 9:09 am

Hey, at least they were shopping in (& spending their salary) in Pleasanton. Now if they were in Dublin, I say fire em' all!

...get a life hoser.

Posted by m, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 24, 2010 at 9:13 am

Yeah we all have to eat ... yeah there might be an emergency ... NONSENSE!!! I agree, it just seems that blatant misuse of resources is a symptom of the waste we have in government ... read between the lines. Yes, firemen make you feel warm and fuzzy. Police make you feel safe. They are also very abusive of their time (with police it's overtime). It's okay to have Hallmark moments about life ... but Rome is burning and there's a lot of people playing the violin.

Posted by get your facts straight, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 24, 2010 at 9:15 am

for Birdland Jon -- "72 hours shifts and they can't shop?"
They do NOT work 72 hour shifts. They work 3 days separated by a day off, followed by 4 days off. They work a TOTAL of 10 days per month (not including voluntary time and a half overtime). If they work more than a 40 hour week the FLSA rules require them to be paid overtime per a standard formula. These hours they are paid for include eating, watching TV, personal business at the firehouse, shopping and SLEEPING. Are you routinely paid for sleeping?
The shopping does not really bother me as other posters are correct -- they have radios and are available for calls. What I would like to know is why there are never any inspections of the downtown stores? I would love to see the department records of the inspections of all downtown buildings, my guess is that it has never been done. Even a non-department person could walk into any store on Main St and find half a dozen violations. Such as: extension cords across the floor, too many plugs in one outlet, non-grounded outlets, non-metal garbage cans, etc, etc. So, fire dept, here is your challenge -- get out there in the community and WORK, that means inspections that have not been done in years. Who in the downtown association has gotten you to buy off on them so far?

Posted by sm, a resident of Val Vista
on May 24, 2010 at 9:30 am

You people are unbelieveable. Yeah, trash talk the police and firefighters all you want,but then your tune changes when you NEED them. Until you've walked a day in their shoes/boots, you have no right to comment or complain. Ever heard of sterotyping?

Posted by FF Girlfriend, a resident of Livermore
on May 24, 2010 at 9:32 am

They also get woken up all hours of the night to attend to injured and sick people, work holidays, put out house fires, assist the community both on duty and off, often times risking their own lives to help you when needed.........they also pay for their own meals every day and if they receive a call while shopping, they have to drop their grociers and answer the call. That is why they are all they can respond to a call as a team which is what they would do if at the firehouse. Spend a day at a firehouse sometime.

Posted by Jon, a resident of Birdland
on May 24, 2010 at 10:01 am

To Get your facts straight:

I worked in the Fire house and they worked 3 days on 24 hours straight. No day off in between and when they are sleeping they are working. At any moment the bell rings and they go to work. There was some talk about going to 2 days on and three off a while back, but that is still more hours than you work I am sure.

I am not paid to sleep, however, if my boss calls in the middle of the night I do not have to work. We will see how you thank them and praise them when you need them.

I know, I know.... you will never need them right? I will go get my facts straight while you get back to the French fries for the lunch rush. You sound a little bitter against Firemen. Did you not make the cut at the academy?

Posted by Bill, a resident of Oak Hill
on May 24, 2010 at 10:44 am

Get your facts straight you are wrong!

LPFD works a 48/96 schedule. That is 2 days on (48 hours)4 days off (96 hours). In a 7 day week they are working 72 hours. They only make about 5-6 K per month to start and get only about 12 vacation days per year after 17 years of service 12 hours per month prior.

Seems to me that they work more than 95% of us, but make less money and get less vacation days.

Damn them for shopping on our time!

Posted by annoyed, a resident of Pleasanton Meadows
on May 24, 2010 at 10:50 am

Really? This person's comment is a waste of time!! Get a life Mr. Getting Hosed!!

Posted by Janet, a resident of Birdland
on May 24, 2010 at 11:03 am

Get your facts straight, the fire department does do inspections. I have an office on Main St. and just had an inspection a few months ago. Also don't blame the downtown association for facts you don't have straight.

Posted by Taxpayers Hosed, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 24, 2010 at 11:04 am

You may want to pay your firemen to go shopping at Safeway in the fire truck, when one $10/hr employee could be doing the shopping with a car, but I don't. Also, they can order their groceries from Safeway online and have them delivered. Now for the part where they drive the fire truck to Club Sport and work out at a very leisurely pace, relaxing in the spa, BS'ing about sports teams, etc., etc. California is broke and these pigs at the slop-trough habits will change. If you don't believe it, watch the news about Greece, Portugal, and Ireland. Look your kids in the eyes and tell them its OK that you are robbing them of their future, so the likes of the San Ramon fire chief can retire in his early 50's at $250,000 per year with benefits. Get real!

Posted by m, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 24, 2010 at 12:41 pm

"We have to get up in the middle of the night sometimes" ... Wow! Now that's a great rationale for ... hummmmmm ... NOTHING! And for those who say "you'll change your mind when you need them." That's true for everyone that works ... what if there were no clerks at MacDonald's when you were hungry, how about garbage men or bartenders or anyone. The "holy untouchables in government" have had their day. Incidentally, if we speak out against this that doesn't mean we were kicked out of the firemen academy ... that's absurd ... Look if you don't think there's rampant abuse in government spending ... then your heads been missing and I have a hint where you can find it. Government waste is one of the major problems we have to face. It's occurring everywhere in government ... even with the Holy of Holies.

PS: No I'm not an immigrant ... no I'm not a nut case ... I work every day ... I'm a solid citizen ... so lose those limp excuses for my views. This is about waste ... not Hallmark moments.

Posted by kolohe, a resident of another community
on May 24, 2010 at 1:05 pm

to getting hosed:

since you don't want them to shop for food...i feel that you should volunteer yr service and do thier shopping and cooking for you feel they should not leave thier post. get yr list ready...

so sorry for people who feel this way about our firemen/firewomen or any service that help protect the public...i hope you may never need thier service...

Posted by get your facts straight, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 24, 2010 at 1:24 pm

Jon, you are an uninformed a$$. So I am an academy failure, huh? Not quite. I not only passed the academy but retired from the FD with 30 years of service and did not scam a disability retirement either. I saw first hand the abuse, the waste and the unconsionable increase in benefits that simply cannot be sustained. 12 days of vacation my butt. There are virtually unlimited shift trades which mean that a firefighter can work 5 on, 10 off ad nauseum. Who needs "vacation" when you can put your 21 days per month off in a string nearly every month?
Try "riding along" with a big city FD -- like maybe Chicago or NY. They work 12 hour shifts because they WORK for the whole 12 hours. If they were on duty 24 hours they would never get to sleep. LPFD were not first responders on 911, nor was my department. The "hero" thing has gone too far.
There are plenty of others who work holidays. How about bus drivers, PGE linemen, pilots? FYI, the Hudson River hero pilot was paid less than half the salary of a senior LPFD employee and has NO retirement and NO medical benefits. Of course he never had to risk his life for his passengers, except once, but hey, he's no hero compared to the guys who might never be first in to a fully involved structure in their entire careers. It's all a matter of perspective. However, the facts are that society can no longer affore the outrageous salaries and pensions and it needs to stop.
I personally understand the shopping thing, it just does not look good to have 6 guys standing around at the same time. My department allowed only one truck or engine (max of 3 guys) in any store at one time.

Posted by m, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 24, 2010 at 1:28 pm

To "get your facts straight" ... wow ... that was powerful. Thank you for setting the record straight from the inside. Hey, why don't you run for mayor of the city ... you have my vote. VOTE FOR GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT for mayor of Pleasanton.

Posted by David Cannon, a resident of Birdland
on May 24, 2010 at 3:07 pm

David Cannon is a registered user.

Wow, some of you folks complain about the silliest little things. I hope that means there is nothing big for you to worry about in your lives. On a scale of 1 to 10, I rate this a 1.

Posted by Vienna, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 24, 2010 at 3:31 pm

I am really surprised at how many people here find this type of waste incidental, trivial, silly and ridiculous to discuss but yet will attend their Tea Bagger gathering on how government should lower spending. In actuality the huge government deficit is made up of zillions of small wastes just like this one that costs taxpayers money every day. Don't be naïve - as with any iceberg if this is the small portion we are seeing above the water then it indicates a massive base that you are not seeing below the water.

Posted by Pro-Law, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 24, 2010 at 3:56 pm

Soo.. what should the firefighters bedoing for 24 hours on a shift? Patrolling and looking for fire and medical emergencies? Sitting in the station? You know they are allowed to have lunch breaks with their co-workers, just like everyone else. In fact they kind of have to since they respond as a TEAM to everything. This isn't special treatment. In fact, its worse for them because their break can be interrupted at any second.

On another point..

I don't blame the unions for trying to get the best for their workers, I blame the politicians for giving in. If you were part of a union or at any job, wouldn't you try to get the best for yourself? If the politicians are willing to give money wouldn't you want your "fair" share - blame the politicians on this one.

Posted by KC, a resident of Country Fair
on May 24, 2010 at 5:38 pm

just love reading all the wondeful remarks from pleasanton people. wow...some people really ARE bored and have nothing to do. i love the firemen in ptown, i have had to call on a couple of occasions, which they came promptly and did their job with extreme professionalism and enthusiasm. And...they're not bad to look at either! If they have less to do in pleasanton, that's a good thing. it means there are no fires, & no one needs emergency treatment at the moment. i can guarantee when the emergency call comes in, they wont be hanging in the grocery line at Safeway waiting to buy their food! GEEEEZ...

Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore
on May 24, 2010 at 7:47 pm

Perhaps a few of the whiners need to provide a daily dinner of crow for the terrible firemen that save lives...duh...get a life creeps...tee hee hee, tee hee hee...

Posted by Truth and Justice, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 24, 2010 at 9:12 pm

To all you "wonderful" firemen, police, teachers and government workers. Try working in the private sector for a change! Why should you get to retire with 80% at 50 when we get nothing but pay cuts and layoffs! And you know what. We can get along just fine without you. In the words of the great one: Do me a favor. STOP DESTROYING MY COUNTRY!!

Posted by Rat Turd, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 24, 2010 at 9:39 pm

Well here is the annual report from a couple of years ago. Looks like we have or had 108 firefighters and it costs us about $29,000,000 per year but that figure does not cover pensions and retirements.

Posted by unclehomerr.., a resident of Downtown
on May 24, 2010 at 10:24 pm

A couple of comments about how 'good looking' the firefighters are??? WRONG!! I saw one once and he had a <gag> mustache.

[clean shaven, gurlzz!]

Posted by Daughter of Retired Police/Fireman, a resident of Dublin
on May 24, 2010 at 11:28 pm

I'd like to know what you are doing leisurely shopping on a Monday morning?? Do you work? I think you need to get a life or find something better to complain about...They shop once at the beginning of their 48hr shift. I highly doubt they're having spa days at Club Sport, they work out at the stations. And to the others who think they do nothing all day...They're usually running medical aids, have training, doing inspections, checking equipment on the engines and medical gear, teaching safety/first aid classes to schools, cub scouts, etc. Oh and to the "get your facts straight guy" I think you need to get your facts straight before you speak about something you know nothing about. Good for you, you worked a BIG city department get over yourself. When it comes to smaller departments there usually is only one truck/engine of three to four guys per station so therefore what you might have seen was numerous trucks from each different station or even county because just over the freeway is Dublin/Alameda, there is also Cal Fire near by as well. They all shop and need to eat.

Posted by JenniferH, a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on May 25, 2010 at 12:36 am

When they are responding to emergencies, firefighters are working extremely hard, under incredible pressure and stress, and are not infrequently risking their lives. On many a day, they have to cope with death, or very grisly situations. It's certainly not a job I would want to do. I applaud them for their courage and resilience. And as far as I'm concerned, they can spend their "down" time however they want!

Posted by Billie, a resident of Mohr Park
on May 25, 2010 at 9:13 am

"Truth and Justice",

If you feel that you "can get along just fine without . . . firemen, police, teachers and government workers" may I suggest that you send a certified letter to our elected officials letting them know that if any emergency calls come in for your address or your family the LPFD and/or the PPD is to do nothing to aid or assist you or your family. Your letter should state that you release them from any and all responsibility and liability resulting from the death or destruction of you, your family, your home or your business. Any response that the LPFD or the PPD make to the area surrounding you or your family should only be to protect your neighbors or those around you from harm.

Since you state that you can also do without teachers, you must already be home schooling your children, right?

As for having nothing to do with government workers, does that mean that you plan to pack up your family and move to one of those back woods, white supremacist, survivalist camps? Well, if that's the case, I guess the LPFD and the PPD won't have to respond to you or your family's emergencies after all.
I'm sure that those of you complaining about our firefighters and police personnel would be the first ones standing up and screaming at the top of your lungs if our first responder services were cut back and, not only were they unable to respond to YOUR medical, fire, or personal emergency in time to protect you, your family, your home or your business, but when they did get there, they didn't have the training or experience necessary to do the job.

As for me, I am very thankful that I live in a community that is able to afford a well-run, well-maintained town, due in large part to our experienced city workers. Most cities have frequent turnovers in their staff. Pleasanton has been able to attract and keep good workers with competitive salaries and benefits. I certainly don't want to see our services cut back, nor do I begrudge our city workers a decent salary and benefits. Those tax dollars are an investment towards the cost of the quality of life we all enjoy in Pleasanton.

Thank you LPFD, PPD, park and maintenance personnel, and city staff for your protection and service!

Posted by Seriously, a resident of Bridle Creek
on May 25, 2010 at 9:16 am

Has anyone even stated the fact that these firefighters/Policemen risk their lives daily for us...They chose the path to serve their community and put themselves and their families at risk.. if they need a break to go grocery shopping i'm all for brother in law was a firefighter in North Carolinia for 12 years, has 2 kids ages 6 and 4 he died saving a family from a house fire... do you think people like "Getting Hosed" would even comment on this if he were either.. the family he left behind, the family he saved etc...come on a little common sense here.

Posted by Love the firefighters, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 25, 2010 at 11:52 am

I always enjoy seeing our firefighters out and about in the community whether they're leading discussions on fire safety, or shopping at the local grocery store.
They certainly improve the scenery!

Posted by Just Jealous???, a resident of Mohr Park
on May 25, 2010 at 2:21 pm

As we graduate from high school or college we all have the opportunity to chose what profession to go into. Some chose public service, some chose the private sector. I believe that public service jobs are just that "public". They are open to scrutiny at all times. They have to answer to the taxpayers. With my taxes I am willing to pay to "protection" from my police department & fire department. With my taxes I am willing to pay for city services to keep the streets and parks beautiful. With my taxes I am will to pay teachers to provide a quality education for my children. With my vote I am willing to back the politicians who I believe will do the best for the people.

I chose NOT to go into public service and decided the private sector was for me. My 401k's have not faired well lately...I could have moved the money - my fault. My employer contributed matching dollars to my retirement 401k which they had to stop doing in these hard economic times.

I am fine with my decision and I am ashamed as a taxpayer that all you people who may have lost money in the stock market or are complaining about pensions are attacking the people who have helped make this community safe, educated and draw quality people.

These people did not make "bonuses" in the good years...their salary was not bumped up during good times when corporate america was having parties in Cabo or elsewhere for their employees. They have been slow and steady.

So I say shut up...get a life and go out and be productive in your community. Quit whining.

The next time I see a fireman, police man or teacher I will thank them for their committment to the community.

Posted by James, a resident of Pleasanton Meadows
on May 25, 2010 at 5:17 pm

"They only make about 5-6 K per month"

Nope. In the report just released on public employee salaries in the Bay Area ($12.2 BILLION) the 311 members of the Alameda county fire department make an average of $144,000.00 a year, working just 72 hours in 7 days. and they don't have to go to college to make that salary. these guys eat better at work than many people eat at home.

Posted by Boomer, a resident of Birdland
on May 25, 2010 at 9:03 pm

Let me see if I "got my facts straight". We have a guy on this blog, arguably the biggest critic of the fire department "waste" who spent "30 years" of service in a fire department.
YOU SURE DID GET YOURS. What a frigging hypocrite! They do inspections, they work 48/90 schedules and their rules don't allow them to "string "21 trade days together. Wanna know how I know this…. I ASKED. Its semi informed people like you that rile and scare the uniformed by pretending you have the inside scoop. I have to hand it to you, you almost sound like you know what you are saying. Strangely enough it's not the cops and firemen but people like you that are ruining our country. THANK YOU FOR YOUR OF SERVICE GUYS. We'll handle these morons one at a time. You just keep doin' what you're doin'

Posted by Truth and Justice, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 25, 2010 at 9:05 pm

Billie and the rest,

That is the way it is with you people. You always want a government solution to your problems. Did you ever think of trying to solve the problems yourself? I'll take the free market over government solutions any day. Ask yourself, who would do a more efficient job of fighting fires, the government or private industry? Who would you rather pay for protection, government or private industry? What about "Education?" Thought so.

These people need to find out what real jobs in private industry are like. Meanwhile, STOP STEALING MY MONEY!

Posted by letsgo, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 25, 2010 at 10:55 pm

Where I grew up all the firemen were volunteers. If there was an actual fire emergency a signal went out to the town and people responded to help their neighbors. They were/are great people that I knew, loved and supported. I don't know any firefighters in Pleasanton, yet I've lived here longer than my "hometown".

Posted by M., a resident of Downtown
on May 25, 2010 at 11:27 pm

M. is a registered user.

I have said it before and I will say it yet again. It is all about me me me. All this stop stealing MY money garbage shows exactly what kind of citizens you are. You care not for the welfare of our society or community, nor your responsibility to the society as citizens of it, you only care about what you want or need personally. The rest to you my dear Pleasanton nut jobs is useless and a somehow immoral liberal conspiracy of wastefulness and oppression. No wonder the Tea party freaks love our little town so much.

For all the hate and anger in this town one would assume we are collectively an impoverished, disenfranchised group, being stripped to the bone by government tax collectors and yet we live in the most wealthy city in its size category in the nation. Kind of makes me wonder what all exactly you malcontents have to cry about.

Posted by Billie, a resident of Mohr Park
on May 26, 2010 at 8:14 am

"Truth and Justice" said: "I'll take the free market over government solutions any day. Ask yourself, who would do a more efficient job of fighting fires, the government or private industry? Who would you rather pay for protection, government or private industry?"

How's that private industry big oil free market workin' for ya in the Gulf? All those billions of dollars of profit in the free market and big oil couldn't be bothered to develop the fail-safe cap and clean-up procedures they told everyone they had??!! Yep, they've been so efficient at fighting this disaster they caused that now they're jumping up and down saying that the government should have taken it over because they can't do the job.

How about those "drill baby drill" Republicans who think that the taxpayers, not the oil company should be responsible for damages/liabilities over $75 million? Republicans in Congress are blocking the bill to raise, or even, perish the thought, remove the limits so that big oil would be responsible for ALL costs associated with this disaster and all future ones. Why? Oh, that's right, they're protecting that free market at the expense of the taxpayer.

That said, every one of those government energy regulators who have, literally, been in bed with big oil instead of doing their job, should be fired. And then regulations on big oil should be tightened and enforced, not eliminated.

Me? I'll opt for a honestly regulated (not big oil/wall street type "regulated"), trained, experienced first responder for my fires, health and protection over your "free market" any day. But hey, you and your family enjoy your backwoods survivalist camp! There's plenty of folks who live and want to live in Pleasanton for our quality of life which includes excellent schools, beautiful parks, well-maintained streets, and the security of knowing that our trained experienced first responders will be there for us when we need them.

Posted by Tim, a resident of Bridle Creek
on May 27, 2010 at 10:27 am

The fire department abuses taxpayer dollars, this is NOT their downtime it is work hours.
I would like to see them spending more time at the skateparks and less time at Safeway and Lucky"s.

Posted by Bleve, a resident of Canyon Oaks
on May 28, 2010 at 11:06 pm

Six firefighters in a Safeway means that their are two engine companies outside. LP runs four person companies. They have a policy that outlines their shopping procedures. Nothing will change the minds of a few of these posters. They are angry mostly at their own plight. When times were good in late 90's and early 2000's you heard few gripes. Now that things are bad public employees are under a microscope. Everything that public employees possess in their contracts were negotiated for or bargained for. That means things were given up to get something else. Public employees are better educated today, many having college degrees and Masters. That includes police, firefighters, sewer, water, streets and parks people.
Their pensions do not get "spiked". That can only occur at the management level with the perks they get--ie. car allowance and the like.

All can be settled simply. Vote in people who will "Wal Mart" your public employees. You will get what you pay for. Those posters who have ill feelings toward public employees should go learn about their jobs---try doing their jobs. You will have a better perspective, believe me. But then again you won't because your Pleasanton residents and you think your poop does not stink.

Posted by bitsy, a resident of Birdland
on Jun 7, 2010 at 12:03 pm

As the mother of 2 Firefighters I am appalled at the ignorance of so many who have made comments here bottom line "how much is your life worth?" talk about outrageous fees for kids sports and how about those salaries for "top" soccer coaches Let's here about that. And remember don't forget to dial 911 when you get those chest pains!!!!!

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