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Tour Oak Grove Property - Decide Yes or No For Yourself

Original post made by Pleasanton Voter, Vintage Hills Elementary School, on May 21, 2010

I'm a resident of Pleasanton who recently toured the Oak Grove property. After seeing it, I'd like to encourage everyone to take the time to see first hand the Oak Grove Property and what the fuss is all about. See the lay of the land, the proposed sites, and the parkland. When you have done this you can make an informed decision about what you want for Pleasanton.

After seeing the property, I saw how many acres of woodland (including Oaks) wood be preserved. I also saw how the current homes already dot the hillside (some particularly out-of-scale and unattractive Grey Eagle homes). Several of the Kottinger Ranch Homes already creep up the hillside at a similar elevation as the proposed homes.

The proposed home sites are well sited within the property with attention paid to preserving hillside views (limiting some homes to single story only). Limiting homes to tree-line height was also mentioned. The grading proposed is less than that required in the Kottinger Ranch Stage 3 development. When you view the property you can see for yourself how the development will fit into the surrounding homes.

The gem being proposed is the parkland (496 acres) high above the proposed homes. It truly is a magnificent site that is being proposed and I feel that everyone should have the opportunity to view it and decide for themselves. If you care about this town, do your homework and view the entire property (not just the Hearst Dr. cul-de-sac). That way you can at least make an INFORMED decision about how to vote.

If you plan on casting a vote ( Yes or No on D), do your homework first and take the time to sign up for a tour using the website www.oakgrovepleasanton.com. There are no pressure tactics and feel free to bring your questions too.





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Posted by Tango
a resident of Vineyard Avenue
on May 21, 2010 at 11:14 am

It is my understanding that they plan to distroy 58 trees in order to fit the houses on the lots that they need. The only trees that I see up there are oaks. These tree are over 100 yrs old. Yes they say they will replace them , but with what? Trash trees? We will never get the beauty of the oaks back. once they are gone , they are GONE. Small oaks will take a hundred years to grow and take the place of the ones distroyed.


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Posted by Pleasanton Voter
a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on May 21, 2010 at 11:39 am

There are over 12,000 oak trees on the property and some 60 oaks will be removed to make room for the homes. But, 900 new Oaks will be planted!

There are many old oaks on the property which will be preserved. But oaks don't live forever either so at some point newer plantings have to take over anyway.


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Posted by realist
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 21, 2010 at 11:48 am

Pleasanton Voter:

Was the home you live in built without destroying any trees? It's pretty hard to build homes without any collateral damage.


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Posted by George Hefner
a resident of Livermore
on May 21, 2010 at 11:48 am

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Tango should take the advise of the previous writer and visit the site.

To set the record straight, an aborist was hired and a thorough study of Oak Grove was made. Most trees, if not all, have been carefully tagged and logged in. There are over 12,000 oak grees on the property. I repeat, TWELVE THOUSAND! The 58 trees that will be removed for roads and building sites will be replaced with NINE HUNDRED new oak trees. Those 58 trees will NOT be missed. Most are small scrub oak and all the big megistic oaks will be saved.

Please take a tour of the site. You won't believe how beautiful it is. It will be a wonderful asset to Pleasanton. If you care for Pleasanton, reeelly care for Pleasanton, you will vote YES for measure D. I wish I could, but my home is not were my heart is.


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Posted by Scott Walsh
a resident of Pleasanton Valley
on May 21, 2010 at 12:09 pm

Finally---someone who went to see the property for themselves and have now gotten a perspective on what the project is really about. And she will cast an informed vote. Kudos and did you know that the so-called Mega Mansions that are presently all over the hills of Pleasanton are nothing new. Heck, Sullivan, Cindy Ayala, and her sister Kay too, most likely voted for some of these projects. What's neat about these proposed "mansions" is that there is regulation in place that directs that they take up no more than 20% of the particular lot they will sit on. This will be the most folowed and regulated project in Pleasanton History if approved. This is a good project.

I continue to laugh at the lady who got up and said at a council meeting that they were a "Destination Neighborhood" and therefore nothing should be built. Such "dogwash". That wantabe Blackhawker should thank the city in allowing Kottinger Ranch to even be built. Some of her neighborhood house/mansions sit on the "Pleasanton Hills", some in plain sight.

If the city and existing neighborhoods had behaved back then as she and others have, she would not have had her "Destination Snooty Neighborhood" even built. And Ironically, it was built by the developer that wants to develop this project so you know it would be quality if approved.

Thank you Pleasanton Voter, more citizens should do as you have--then they would know better on what they are about to vote upon. AND GOD Bless Our Troops and their families even though they allow this lady to enjoy her "Destination Neighborhood" in peace and safety while she wants to prevent others that privelege.


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Posted by I did
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 21, 2010 at 3:07 pm

I took a tour. The YES people, would love to give anybody a tour. Marty Intebitzen, from one of the oldes ranching families in the valley, led mine. We were all(4-6) in each car, given map overlays to show the placement of houses. The actual homes are required to be individually approved by the city. Each homeowner is REQUIRED to plant 15 OAK tres suitable to the homesite, (choosing from THREE NATIVE OAK on that site. Most are tucked around various mounds (+15) trees, situated beautifully. It is NOT a clustered subdivision of houses ! ! duh ! It will be magnificent, and 496 (500) acres that are NOW PRIVATE will become park for us all to enjoy hiking ! You really shouldn't vote, unless it's an educated vote, which would mean checking out reality and seeing for yourself.....not REACTING to the EMOTION of others.


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Posted by long time resident
a resident of Birdland
on May 21, 2010 at 3:43 pm

Nice comments planted by the proponents of Oak Grove. However, the grading plan at the city as well as the tree removal plan is the real story.

There are over 1,200 truck loads of dirt PER HOUSE to be removed from the ridges just for the streets and rough grading. Then as each house comes forward there will be many more truck loads as anybody who spends that much money on a property has a lot of money to build a big house and will want the biggest house they can fit there.

The trees being removed are just for the streets and rough grading. The city plan shows many more potential trees will be cut down once homes are proposed.

The new oak trees they will be planting will not be at the size of the trees they are cutting down for a hundred years or so. Oak trees grow real slow. They are removing these magnificent pieces of nature and replacing them with "twigs". Then they have to water the 900 new trees for many years for them to survive. All the existing trees are natural and require no irrigation.

If I wanted to cut down one heritage oak tree in my yard for anything, the city would not allow it (they will not even allow me to cut down a palm tree). However, they are allowing this developer to cut down over 100 trees. Some politicians are obviously being paid off here.


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Posted by Patricia
a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on May 21, 2010 at 3:47 pm

How does one go about getting a tour of the property?


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Posted by Kurt Kummer
a resident of Highland Oaks
on May 21, 2010 at 4:51 pm

Patricia, you can go to www.oakgrovepleasanton to sign up for a tour. Have fun. The view from up where the trail will go in is just spectacular. Can't wait till we all have the opportunity to go up there.


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Posted by Stacey
a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on May 21, 2010 at 7:43 pm

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The real story is 500 acres (90% of the property) protected forever against development.


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Posted by long time resident
a resident of Birdland
on May 21, 2010 at 9:18 pm

I believe the real story is 62,000 truckloads of dirt being moved and houses up to 12,500 feet being allowed at the top of those ridges.


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Posted by anonymous
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 22, 2010 at 3:50 pm

There are many proponents of Oak Grove, not just the developers. Weigh the options, visit the property, look at what the residents of Pleasanton have to gain and I think you will be a proponent of Oak Grove too.

Ask yourself this: Where do most of the trail advocates stand? Where do most of the open space advocates stand? Where do most of the affordable housing advocates stand? How about the parks and rec people? The school district? The City Council?

Then ask. is there some other agenda here? Why would people who live in similar homes adjacent to the area be opposed to THIS development????


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Posted by Jerry
a resident of Oak Hill
on May 22, 2010 at 9:47 pm

Was this a "vehicle guided tour"(where you saw what the tour guide wanted you to see)or were you allowed to leave the vehicles and roam around the property at your own leisure. If so, did you attempt to roam around in the "donated park land"? If you did you probably discovered you required the agility of a mountain goat, or cow, to traverse most of the "park land"...

Ask anyone that has chased cattle through those hill. You might be surprised what you're told, or better yet, you might provide them with a good laugh...

Just keep in mind - nothing is free. Someone will be required to maintain this "free park land", provide liability insurance when someone falls down the side of the ridges, maintain fire control(tender dry weeds and grasses that occur in the summer months)so the homes on top of the ridges aren't destroyed in a wildfire caused by park users. Who will supply the $$ for those little exercises...

In my opinion, if this "donated park land" was suitable for building, the Lin's would not have agreed to donate it to the city out of the goodness of their heart. They snookered the city to get it off their(the Lin's)tax rolls. It's useless land for them...

Just my opinion........

By the way, why am I supposed to be impressed by where a bunch of "advocated", or anyone else, stand??? There are "advocates" on both sides of the issue...... Don't be a follower, make your own decision...


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Posted by Pleasanton Voter
a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on May 23, 2010 at 12:55 pm

The cost of maintaining the Oak Grove parkland will be minimal compared to say city parks and the sports and tennis park. No blowers, lawn mowers going 8 hours a day and tens of full-time personnel on staff. Only eleven parking spaces are allowed.

Yes, there is some maintenance but this is a rustic parkland setting not a golf course.


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Posted by Tango
a resident of Vineyard Avenue
on May 24, 2010 at 3:29 am

First of all I would love to take a hike through the Oak Grove area, but I have limited mobility because I have had both knees replaced. I will probably never be able to enjoy any new park that is put up there. Second - no trees were cut down when my house or the houses around me were bulit. The only things distroyed were some very old non-producing grape vines, Third I think someone mentioned scrub oak as if it had no use, Scrub oaks are great habitates for all sortd of animals. Deer and birds to name a couple. I realize that people have a right to use the property that they have bought, but for some reason I don't trust this land owner. I have heard many stories of builders getting permision to build and saying they will follow all the plans and then Opps! gee I guess we graded the lot a little more than we said we would, or Opps we cut down a proteced tree or two. Once the hills are graded and the trees cut down, you can't put them back. You can try but it will never be the same.


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Posted by junebug
a resident of Alisal Elementary School
on May 24, 2010 at 12:51 pm

The grading quantities and truck load numbers sound high but compare it to other construction and development projects both on relatively flat sites around town or better yet along Vineyard. You will find that the numbers for Oak Grove are not significant quantities.


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