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Amador vs. Foothill boys in NCS final Saturday, but . . . .

Original post made by Volleyball fan, Another Pleasanton neighborhood, on May 20, 2010

Congratulations to the boys varsity volleyball teams at Amador and Foothill. They will meet Saturday in the NCS finals at Amador.

But, there's a catch. Foothill's senior ball is the same night, and at the time I am writing this, NCS has not changed the 7:00 start time, and Amador has not agreed to an earlier start time. This is not to say that the start time won't change, but I find it curious that it is not an automatic change.

There are six seniors on the Foothill squad, and all are starters. I have no idea why NCS does not require changes in cases like this. I would hope that the motto of NCS would include putting the students first. One quote from the NCS website reads, "It is the Section's purpose to serve student-athletes . . .". I ask the NCS, how would you be serving these boys by not changing the start time, so that they can go to their senior ball (a 'once in a lifetime' event) and play in their NCS final game (a less than 'once in a lifetime' opportunity). Please, NCS, don't just take your nine bucks and look the other way, I implore you to change the start time so that these young men can do both activities.

And Amador, I have no idea if you have even been asked if you can change the start time. But I hope you would offer up a different start time without being asked, and I hope Foothill would have done the same if the situation was reversed. Please do what is right for these student-athletes, let them play earlier so that they can go to their prom, and show your students just how sportsmanship can be more than just a word.

(And let's not forget, there will be NO seniors in attendance for FHS if the start time isn't changed, no one there to root on their fellow seniors and friends.)

Congrats again to both teams, great season no matter how Saturday goes.

(Full disclosure: I am a Foothill parent, but not of a volleyball player, I'm just a volleyball fan.)

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Posted by VolleyMom
a resident of Amador Valley High School
on May 21, 2010 at 7:23 am

A change in time would also require a change in venue. There are Northern California Special Olympics events scheduled for the Amador campus on that day which will run all day. Track and Field as well as Volleyball regionals are scheduled at Amador. Most of Amador's volleyball team will be volunteering at the volleyball event and will be working on campus all day prior to the start of the NCS finals.

There is no open gym space available until the 7pm NCS play off start time. No one is trying to spoil anyone's prom. It is just logistics.


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Posted by Volleyball fan
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 21, 2010 at 8:05 am

Thanks for the information. That does make things much more challenging.

I do NOT advocate for a change in venue, as Amador earned the number one seed and the hosting privilege. Possibly the time could be moved up just an hour or two, which would help the boys tremendously. But I know next to nothing about the Special Olympics, I am just speculating.

Thanks again for the info, good luck to both teams on Saturday, whenever it is played!


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Posted by VballDad
a resident of Oak Hill
on May 21, 2010 at 9:52 am

I understand the issue with Special Olympics, but is unfortunate that so many students are affected by this timing. There will be many fewer fans at the game and the players will not be able to get to the ball till late. If there is any way for a time change to occur, it would be a very nice gesture.


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Posted by AV Sports Fan
a resident of Amador Valley High School
on May 21, 2010 at 9:59 am

There is always a conflict with Senior Ball and NCS, it's just a fact of life for the kids who play spring sports


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Posted by Volleyball fan
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 21, 2010 at 12:04 pm

This is true, there are tons of NCS conflicts with Spring sports and school activities. Still, this is no reason for the NCS and the administrators for both schools to not get together to do everything they can to change the start time.


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Posted by Volleyball fan
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 21, 2010 at 3:39 pm

I just found out the Special Olympics activities are done at 2:30.

Now can anyone tell me why this game isn't being held at 4:00?


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Posted by Foothill fan
a resident of Stoneridge
on May 21, 2010 at 4:59 pm

Just found out that NCS said they could change the time but AVHS is sticking to the posted time. And Special Olympics is done by 3. While the FHS boys won't mind too much, it is sad for their dates and all the other kids who will have to choose between supporting their friends on the court or going to the Ball as planned. The boys are athletes first and they will make it work. Go Falcons!


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Posted by Sr. Ball Fan
a resident of Parkside
on May 21, 2010 at 6:25 pm

This shows extremely poor sportsmanship by A/V and lack of smarts by NCS. You should be ashamed of yourselves! This is a huge night for both sports and for the year end senior activities. These boys have played hard all year and have succeeded at school and at sports. They shouldn't be asked to choose. Amador grow up and move the game to an earlier start.


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Posted by Volleyball fan
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 21, 2010 at 7:36 pm

If Amador won't change the time, then why isn't NCS stepping up to do what is right? This is another example of adults messing it up for kids.

I agree with Sr. Ball fan: Amador, show some sportsmanship and move the game! Try to show that you can win even if you move the start time. Show that you can be sportsmanlike on AND off the court!


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Posted by really?
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 22, 2010 at 8:19 am

Before continuing the Amador bashing, some of you might want to check to see if "Foothill fan" is giving accurate information.
You are taking as fact what an obviously biased poster is saying is true.
Foothill Fan - if you talked to NCS than post the name and phone number of the NCS representative you spoke with so others can verify - or not- what you have posted.


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Posted by Volleyball fan
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 22, 2010 at 11:34 am

Nothing changes the fact that the right thing (changing the game time to a 4:00 or 5:00 start) is not being done. Whether it is Amador's or the NCS's choosing, it's the kids that are getting the raw deal.

I will not back up "Foothill fan"'s statement (as I have not talked to NCS), but it is usually true that the NCS gives the power in these situations to the higher seed, so the facts appear to be correct. I see no reason that the NCS would not allow the game time to be changed if both Foothill and Amador agreed. It very much appears at this point that Amador has NOT agreed. If this is incorrect, then I suggest someone in the know from Amador (the coach, the AD, or an administrator are possibilities) make a post saying this is not the case.


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Posted by VolleyMom
a resident of Amador Valley High School
on May 22, 2010 at 2:17 pm

Since when are you owed a post from "someone in the know from Amador" regarding a date and time that has been on the NCS schedule for over three years?

If anything, someone from FHS's prom organizing committee should respond as to why it never occurred to them to coordinate dates considering that Foothill is the defending NCS champions and has won three of the last four titles.

Maybe FHS should look at the NCS 3-year calendar and plan next year's prom accordingly, like they should have done this year.
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Posted by Sr. Ball Fan
a resident of Parkside
on May 22, 2010 at 2:24 pm

Not being involved in this sport, but being involved in other NCS championship games for other sports, I know it to be true that the dates/times of these events are changeable and depending on who's in the finals and who has Sr. Ball's and such, these dates get changed. I heard from a parent who called to ask, that they were told the Amador coach had a conflict so couldn't change the time.

18 kids have a conflict - the senior players and their dates. The dates have paid hundreds for their dresses, they've all paid for limo's, and looked forward to this all year.

If my child was on this team, I'd encourage him and his teammates to boycott and forfiet (which is totally against my style), but in this case I really believe the boys will have a stronger/better memory from forfieting and having a fabulous time at the ball.


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Posted by getoverit
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 22, 2010 at 3:54 pm

OH MY GOODNESS foothill parents!!! Get over it. Kids are more resiliant than you think!

Amador has had the same thing happen on their Senior ball night. One of my friends remembers it fondly saying how fun it was having the dates all dressed up in the stands, showering up in the school gym after the game, with the limo waiting in the parking lot and then wearing the playoff medal to the dance! The Senior ball events last ALL night long.

To the complainers, I would suggest taking on a less pessimistic attitude. It will only spoil kid's night for them. The boys are so fortunate to have made it to these finals. If your attitude is postive, so will be theirs.


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Posted by Volleyball fan
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 22, 2010 at 4:49 pm

No one ever said our attitude wasn't "positive". We were just hoping the kids would be the beneficiaries of a change in time, we were positive that adults would make a great decision in their favor. This simply didn't happen.

I'd love for someone to step up and say what the reason was for the time not being changed. Amador seems to be pointing at NCS, NCS seems to point at Amador, and it is making both groups look bad. I still have yet to see or hear a reason.

And Volleymom, just to clear things up, these NCS times get changed fairly regularly, despite the "3-year calendar". This happened a few years back with a couple of other teams (I'm going to say San Ramon and Acalanes, but I could be WAY off), and the time was changed to many hours earlier because BOTH teams had Senior Prom that night. Baseball and softball NCS games are another example, they get rained out and need to be rescheduled.


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Posted by A Person
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 22, 2010 at 5:21 pm

Please stop arguing. It doesn't matter really what time we play. You will never know how changing the time would have effected the outcome for both teams. We are getting mad at each other and we don't even know who is posting these negative comments. It could be someone who is just trying to antagonize the situation and they have nothing to do with Volleyball. It is the boys event! Let it just let them play the game....THEY ARE BOTH WINNERS NO MATTER WHAT!!!! We have two great schools and two great coaches too! THEY ARE ALL TERRIFIC BOYS, FROM TERRIFIC FAMILIES!!! They are all our boys. Boys from Pleasanton. Lets set a good example for them and be kind to each other no matter.


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Posted by VolleyMom
a resident of Amador Valley High School
on May 22, 2010 at 5:24 pm

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. The NCS calendars are posted to alleviate as many of these scheduling conflicts as possible. Had FHS planned accordingly, like most other schools attempt to do, this discussion would be moot and you would not be focusing the blame on AVHS.


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Posted by A Person
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 23, 2010 at 9:14 am

Thank you Amador for your hospitality at NCS! We should all be proud of the way our boys played and behaved with such maturity and grace. All the boys are winners as we are as parents! I know most of the boys on both teams and they are all becoming amazing adults! Give them a hug and a kiss today and remember to tell them how proud we all are of them!

What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us. ~Ralph Waldo Emerson


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