Posted by Dark Corners of Town, a resident of the Country Fair neighborhood, on Apr 15, 2010 at 2:17 pm
Let's look a little closer, shall we, and do the work/writing that Jeb won't do....
PPIE event, teachers union won't cross the picket line.
Foothill Jr Prom, teachers union won't cross the picket line.
Community of Character, teachers union won't cross the picket line.
All three point back to a teachers union that is festering division, using economic boycotts, and bullying the community.
As for Debi Covello saying 'We have no issues with Castlewood', then why did you go to the effort to switch venues? Who do you have issues with? The teachers union who bullied you into moving your event? Could this be why CORE fundraising is only at 11%?
No money to PPIE/CORE! It only goes to pay union workers. Stop the union bullying!
Posted by Stacey, a resident of the Amberwood/Wood Meadows neighborhood, on Apr 15, 2010 at 2:30 pm Stacey is a member (registered user) of PleasantonWeekly.com
Boycotting the Country Club is a more socially acceptable and responsible form of activism than publishing phone numbers and encouraging organized stalking.
Or another way to look at it, it isn't about who is boycotting, it is about who isn't boycotting CCC. If these are the only ones boycotting CCC, perhaps most people and organizations support the management's decisions.
Posted by Foothill Parent, a resident of the Del Prado neighborhood, on Apr 15, 2010 at 3:09 pm
The Foothill students are very upset about having their prom moved to a community center in Livermore. Is this how we help our community? We spend our money in Livermore. Why did they just announce the move to Livermore yesterday. Our teachers union is out of touch with our community. If the teachers union wants to support the workers at Castlewood, that is fine. They can picket on weekends, but leave the kids out of it. This is an event they will always remember. Now instead of a beautiful, local venue they get to go to a basketball facility.
Posted by FHS Parents, a member of the Foothill High School community, on Apr 15, 2010 at 4:07 pm
I'm able to see this differently. I'm lukewarm about the teacher's union (I think they needed to given a little more last April before asking for the parcel tax). The CCC appears to be in the bully position in refusing to budge on their benefits position with the workers. The change is drastic and unprecedented.
Find another post to rag about the teachers union and I'll gladly join in. This is about doing the fair and decent thing.
If the CCC member quoted truly represents the feeling of the membership, perhaps the Castlewood management will be replaced soon.
Posted by Member, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Apr 15, 2010 at 4:20 pm
They can take their events elsewhere but the employees are not coming back. The vast majority of Castlewood members do not want these employees back. They burned that bridge standing out in front of the club and calling the members names and trespassing onto private property in an effort to upset events. They had their shot at returning to work but blew it by following a self serving union that is NOT representing their best interests. The union continues to want to negotiate in the media and Castlewood has refused to play that game. IF this is resolved, it will be in a board room and not in the media.
Posted by Amador Parent, a member of the Amador Valley High School community, on Apr 15, 2010 at 4:59 pm
I'm guessing Foothill's prom operates the same way Amador's does. The junior class officers select the location, the theme, dj and all expenses are paid for by junior class funds and ticket prices.
My question for Foothill Parent - did the Foothill junior class officers make the decision to change the prom location? It sounds as if you're saying that the decision was forced upon them rather than a decision they made independently.
Posted by Foothill Parent, a resident of the Del Prado neighborhood, on Apr 15, 2010 at 5:10 pm
The junior class officers worked hard all year on their prom. They choose Castlewood. They are heavily influenced by administration. I don't think any of the parents will ever get a clear answer on who made the decision or if it was forced upon the students.
Posted by Marie, a resident of the Castlewood neighborhood, on Apr 15, 2010 at 5:11 pm
When you side with the union on the issues at Castlewood, please remember that the club is being very private about this issue. Remember there are two sides to every story. Now that Foothill has moved the prom, what about the golf team that plays for free at that big bad Castlewood. Maybe they should go too.
Posted by Foothill Student; Prom Attendee, a member of the Foothill High School community, on Apr 15, 2010 at 5:11 pm
I attend Foothill High School, and I am going to the Junior prom. I think that moving the prom to a different venue was a little harsh but the reasons for it are understandable. The CCC employees have a right to fair wages and to strike. You guys are right, our prom is a memorable event, but the venue should not be what makes it that way. It should be how you spend it, and the fun you have, not if it is in Livermore or Pleasanton. You're right, it's a little frustrating on such short notice, but it's about doing what's right. The school made this decision to demonstrate what they teach us in school, respect, and doing the right thing. Eventually this whole thing will die down, hopefully with the CCC employees back at work, but until then don't be pointing fingers. You've got to realize that the whole economy is suffering, so people are making choices others may not like. I know I will have a good time at prom, even if it was under the stars, only because I will be the one making it a night of my life.
Posted by Foothill Parent, a resident of the Del Prado neighborhood, on Apr 15, 2010 at 5:17 pm
To Foothill Student - Perhaps you were involved in the decision. You do not say you are a class officer, but every other student I have heard said they heard through rumors that the prom was moved. They were told that if they didn't find a new location, the prom would be canceled.
It is nice that you support the union and your teachers. But there are always 2 sides to every story.
Posted by Foothill Student; Prom Attendee, a member of the Foothill High School community, on Apr 15, 2010 at 5:37 pm
No, that is not the story. If they could not find a location it would be held in the school gym therefore it was decided by both partys' that this was the right choice. I may not be a officer either, and you are correct, it was first passed through the student body by rumor, but today it was offically announced over the loud speaker during 3rd period. I am part of the schools senate, and today after that announcment we had a meeting and discussed the re-location of prom, and everyone who voiced their opinion had a very postive outlook on the new location.
Posted by Hard to believe, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Apr 15, 2010 at 5:47 pm
It is sad that Foothill is taking sides here.
I have kids in high school and told them I disagree with the unions picketing.
What is Foothill teaching? The ex-employees have no right to demand their unionized jobs back. Like everyone else in the real world, those employees should look for another job if they do not like the wages or benefits CCC offers.
Foothill student: if your parents were laid off, do you think they would picket in front of their company to get their job back? Or would they look for work elsewhere? I bet they would just look for work elsewhere, picketing is a waste of time and in the end won't give anyone their jobs back. (not to mention that the ex-employees have now burned bridges with people who might have been able to help them secure new employment)
Posted by Marie, a resident of the Castlewood neighborhood, on Apr 15, 2010 at 6:13 pm
You know that the food service union contacted the school union and told them not to support the prom being at Castlewood because of the lock out. What's going to happen next the teachers out walking the picket line with the union?
Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore, on Apr 15, 2010 at 6:40 pm
I have never understood why the Prom is such a big deal? How did it become such a major event in the lives of high school students? I hear it has become very very expensive and lots of students get drunk, use drugs, and have sex?
Posted by Member, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Apr 15, 2010 at 7:46 pm
Good point about the golf team. I'm sure that the city council will let both the boys and girls Foothill golf teams play and practice for free at Calipee. We don't want those bad Castlewood people to have a negative influence by providing the youth of Pleasanton a FREE place to play and practice. In fact if Foothill staff were to live by their true principals they would not let their golf teams compete at Castlewood effective immediately to show their concern for others.
Yet on the same day that they changed the prom location their golf team hosted a match at Castlewood. Oh wait, it was FREE so that is different. Funny how that word FREE keeps popping up.
Posted by Marie, a resident of the Castlewood neighborhood, on Apr 15, 2010 at 8:25 pm
Antoinette, Yes I am serious unions support unions. Why do you think the prom was moved? Not because I want to see the golf team suffering, but I really hope that they do make them move. If you want to support the food and beverage employees. The golf course is run by those bad management people too.
Posted by Foothill Parent, a resident of the Del Prado neighborhood, on Apr 16, 2010 at 7:19 am
PPIE, I hope you really are not representing the group PPIE. Your response is very sarcastic in a serious issue. Please remember who funds your organization. There are many Castlewood families with children attending the Foothill prom. Please do not show the same disrespect that the hired protesters have shown.
Posted by Foothill Parent, a resident of the Highland Oaks neighborhood, on Apr 16, 2010 at 8:50 am
As a parent of a child who will be attending the prom - I fully support the FHS's decision to relocate the prom (regardless of who made that decision). Most of these post seem suggest that this change of venue was some sort of "teacher's union conspiracy." Has anyone considered that this move may have been made to keep with the Community of Character Traits that our school's fully embrace? Our town and schools are plastered with "Character" signs, the schools have essay/art contests to promote these values. I believe in these values and I'm proud to live in a town that takes these values to heart.
With the excepetion of Foothill Student, I'm assuming from these posts that none of you actually have a student who is attending this Saturday's prom. So you are clearly speculating that the FHS Juniors must be dissapointed....
For the record, my child is very excited about the prom and the change of location did not dampen her ensusiasm - because this has more to do with a special evening out with all of her friends than where the prom is being held!
• Doing what I am supposed to do
• Always doing my best
• Being accountable for my actions
• Being kind to myself, others and the environment
• Helping others in need
• Being forgiving
• Practicing self-control
• Setting goals and working toward them
• Striving for personal improvement
• Telling the truth
• No cheating or stealing
• Being trustworthy
• Using good manners, not bad language
• Being considerate, honoring the feelings of others
• Dealing peacefully with anger, insults and disagreements
Posted by Foothill Falcon Teacher, a member of the Foothill High School community, on Apr 16, 2010 at 9:05 am
I think it's astounding that teachers are being blamed and crucified for the move of Jr. Prom to Livermore. We were never even consulted about the change of venue!!!! This was a decesion made by our Union President and Adminstration without ever receiving any teacher and student input!
Posted by Reality check, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Apr 16, 2010 at 9:38 am
To the shallow who seem to lack critical thinking skills, it's about economic reality....not mean CCC. My engineering son's company is 'closing it's doors' next week. He'll get zero pay thru no actions of his own. His once 100+ employee NON-union company is simply running out of operating CASH ! period ! it's closing ! There ARE economic LIMITS..(there are no bailouts for small/med business). I guess there would NOT be ANY FREE golf if you got your wish of closing CCC ! That IS what you fools are doing, surely you are smart emough to know that...or, maybe you're not.
Do you not follow what's happening in the country...do you think the 5 beautiful new office buldings by 680 & Stoneridge Mall were foreclosed to be mean to unions? no. Reality sucks ! There ARE many economic crisis going on all around us. There's really no more blood to suck out of CCC. Unions can DEMAND all they want...the more they do, the more stupid they look....absolutely clueless....just scream, stomp your feet, and demand. (I always get so furious at teacher unions setting BAD EXAMPLES, teaching well behaved students to act like babies). Back when, CCC was just trying to be financially responsible to the group of paying members.... be sustainable and prevent closing it's doors. Members own equity which has been difficult to sustain this last year...it's their INVESTMENT, management DUTY was and remains to them !!! Put on your big people panties and face economic reality. Sad for the equity investor memberships....they'll have less money to support / contribute to ANY LOCAL fundraisers...to a town that screwed their invetments. The IGNORANT, bully, union mentality is beyond comprehension ! Please tell me none of these union teachers, who are the heart of stirring this witches brew, are teaching critical thinking skills in our Pleasanton schools. They FAIL ! ...and they REALLY botched it for the half-dozen part-time waitresses, and well as for their usual donors in CCC neighborhoods...SAD for fundraisers.
Posted by Puck, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Apr 16, 2010 at 10:06 am
I don't quite understand where FHS "sticking with your values" has anything to do with a labor dispute at a private business. Why is Castlewood the bad guy in this whole thing? Do you know more than the rest of us that you can support one side over the other? If the Union was not involved and these were non represented employees do you think that Foothill would have moved the prom? Of course not, it is only because the teachers union was pressured by the union that has failed to represent their workers effectively. Castlewood has always been a good neighbor in the community yet they are being vilified for trying to maintain some sense of economic responsibility in bad times. Like someone pointed out earlier both FHS boys and girls golf teams have been playing at Castlewood for many years at no cost and this is how FHS has chosen to thank them. I guess there may be some serious thoughts about letting this free play continue in the future.
I think that "Reality Check" is a lot closer to the truth than most others.
Posted by Foothill Parent, a resident of the Del Prado neighborhood, on Apr 16, 2010 at 10:50 am
To the other Foothill Parent. You are incorrect. My child will be attending the Foothill prom. Instead of having prom within a few miles of home, they now have to drive to East Livermore. This is not about the Foothill students, it is about the Foothill teacher's union. You like to quote the Community of Character, but where is the school's RESPECT for the members of Castlewood and REPONSIBILITY for the legal contract the school signed.
Posted by Marie, a resident of the Castlewood neighborhood, on Apr 16, 2010 at 11:23 am
I am a Castlewood member and I will be contacting the GM Jerry Olsen to make sure that the golf team is asked to leave. If Foothill administration is so worried about the union issues then take you golf team too. The golf team and the parents have been very silent about this issue.
I hope these "former" employees NEVER get to come back. I am sick and tired of being called "rich and rude" I have never been anything but gracious to these employees. But not anymore you have burned this bridge and so has Foothill. I will be sure the next time someone from that school calls for money for the sports programs they get a big no from my business.
Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore, on Apr 16, 2010 at 1:13 pm
Marie...how did you all caught up in all this mess? I know you have a good side, but what's coming out of you is not very nice. Please stop talking about your riches and come up with something more constructive to say...OK? It's not good for your reputation!
Posted by Larry, a resident of the Rosepointe neighborhood, on Apr 16, 2010 at 1:20 pm
I’d like to correct a few misstated “facts” from the foregoing discussion
The CCC employees are not striking, they are locked out
The CCC employees are not ex-employees or former employees, they are locked out employees
The locked-out CCC employees are not trespassing on CCC property, they have a right to be there, per the Alameda County attorney
If you doubt any of these facts call Jerry Olsen and he can confirm.
As the Larry in the article above, I am encouraged by the broad engagement in the issue, regardless of what side people are taking.
As a citizen and a CCC member, I only hope that CCC management and Union management are bargaining in good faith and will reach agreement quickly, an agreement that both the members and the employees will find in their best interest.
In the mean time we can each, hopefully, continue to voice our opinions in a civil and respectful manner
Posted by Reality check, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Apr 16, 2010 at 1:41 pm
Well, Larry, the union' Big Boys' should have ALLOWED those few employees the right to accept the NEGOTIATED offer that they WANTED to accept. That's the risk you take, big boys...IF you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. This is about your other Bay Area unions, and you are really giving a black eye to all the other unions.
Posted by Marie, a resident of the Castlewood neighborhood, on Apr 16, 2010 at 1:46 pm
Some of you points are right but, they might still be CCC employees but in most members minds they are former, as they march around calling me rich and rude. As for the CCC not trespassing, how many of those people are really CCC employees? Not all of them for sure. If you doubt that fact ask Jerry Olsen.
At the beginning I could see both sides, but not now and I believe that most of the ill mannered folks marching around at not CCC employees. How sad that the employees we called part of our extended family have been sucked into these union lies.
Posted by CCC Member, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Apr 16, 2010 at 1:52 pm
In response to Larry
You are correct that they are not striking, that they were locked out by management because of the lack of bargaining on the unions behalf.
As to them being on Castlewood property there is a difference of opinion by legal counsel, so that may very well be litigated in a court of law. And it is only the 5 real employees that show up to picket that are supposed to be allowed on the property, not the hired picketers they bring in from around the area.
As to whether they are "ex or former" employees, you are technically correct that they are still Castlewood employees. However, unlike you, the vast majority of the membership are tired of being called “rich and greedy” as well as “no good” and hope that they become “ex” employees soon.
I think you misrepresent yourself as representing the views of the Castlewood membership when in fact you represent the view of a very small minority.
Posted by tax revolt 2, a resident of the Country Fair neighborhood, on Apr 16, 2010 at 4:01 pm tax revolt 2 is a member (registered user) of PleasantonWeekly.com
Foothill Falcon Teacher - Who elected the Union President to represent you and your fellow teachers? According to the Community of Character principle of 'Responsibility', you are supposed to 'be accountable for your actions'. Or do Union tactics trump integrity and responsibility?
Posted by tax revolt 2, a resident of the Country Fair neighborhood, on Apr 16, 2010 at 4:05 pm tax revolt 2 is a member (registered user) of PleasantonWeekly.com
So if the Foothill golf team had a match at Castlewood, did a union teacher/coach cross the picket line in order to be with the team? Did other union teacher/coaches from the other team cross the line as well?
Posted by Reality check, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Apr 16, 2010 at 4:56 pm
Well, the mommas and union activist teachers thought it best to change the prom at the last minute, primarily because of the rent-a-union-thug mentality. Everybody knows they have no qualms about marching right up to the building (like CCC) on private grounds, beating drums, making children cry, and scaring ponies,etc. etc. Prom folks realized the drums might interfere with music, and NOTHING stops these thugs. So, yes it does get all intertwined, doesn't it. I wonder if Hosterman, Sullivan, the union activist teachers, and their big union bosses, wish they hadn't escalated this to make a statement. Sorry, no do-overs. When the teachers becomes union activists, they all get pulled into the union fights. The sincere teachers can stand up or go down with the group. Wasnt' it a lot better 30 years ago, when the teachers stood on their own ability, and didn't surrender to 'groupthink'. It's other BayArea unions that made this a BIG union deal. The 'outsiders' coming in to do battle, taking it OUT of the hands of waitresses, teachers, & students. !! Choices, choices...sometimes have consequences. Don't be so 'Amazed' !!
Posted by Amazed, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Apr 16, 2010 at 8:57 pm
I think you need a serious reality check. You're right about choices sometimes having consequences. Too bad Castlewood didn't think about the consequences of locking people out of their place of employment. Did they really think there would be no consequences? Do you think people losing their income were going to just starve and be quiet.
Castlewood did what they thought they had to do - now the locked out employees are doing what they have to do. Free country! Ain't it grand!!
Posted by Sunol mom, a resident of another community, on Apr 16, 2010 at 10:37 pm
Just a few thoughts: The economy is hurting everyone including the club and club members. I'm not sure why the Union Members are so special and should not be affected when most everyone has to make adjustment for these tough times. I have several friends who have been laid off from their jobs who would love to work for $12.52 (avg)plus any company paid health benefits, plus the wonderful "tip" opportunities at Castlewood.(not mentioned in the above comments). This dispute is not about what is best for the workers, for the club, and certainly not about the students at Foothill. This dispute is simply about Union power and extortion.
Posted by sunol dad, a resident of another community, on Apr 16, 2010 at 11:05 pm
I guess the Club Workers(in the union's view), whose wages are ultimately paid for by the largely entepreneurial members, should not be asked to pay for ANY of their health care expense, when in the REAL WORLD, the majority of those entepreneurs/member's direct employees pay for at least a part of their health benefits.
If the Union faithful don't want to pay for dependent coverage, at $12.52/ hr, you will be eligible for hefty ObamaCare subsidies. Go back to work or not, but for your own political sake, stop the counterproductive attitudes, disruptive and usafe behavior around children, and insensitive cross union powerplays against students and their families.
Posted by Observer, a resident of the Downtown neighborhood, on Apr 17, 2010 at 7:57 am
For those of you who believe that the Union members DO NOT want to pay for their health coverage - you are misinformed. They have agreed to pay, but can't cover the $700+ for a family on a $12.00 an hour wage. For those of you who think everyone should pay for their health care, then you should have a problem with Castlewood paying 100% of the health care for all of their employees - Castlewood just won't cover their employees spouses or children.
I don't think any of us know what the Union or Castlewood's final proposals were since we are not privy to that kind of information (even the Castlewood members do not know!) So we should all agree we don't know what's going on with the negotiations since neither side is willing, or is able, to share those details.
P.S. I think the fact that we had thousands of people attending the Tea Party in our city is something we should REALLY be concerned about!
Posted by Castlewood supporter, a resident of another community, on Apr 17, 2010 at 10:33 pm
It is too bad the CC workers made the mistake of joining the Union to secure a job. The Union demands are rediculous during these economic times. It is a fact that many of the employees are willing to return to work under the new terms. Unfortuneley, the Union is using it's strong arm to try make everyone succumb to their unrealistic demands. I'm sorry these misguided Union employees may lose their jobs, but I do hope that Castlewood is able to get rid of the Union entirely.
Posted by Barry, a member of the Pleasanton Middle School community, on Apr 18, 2010 at 7:59 am
Which special interest group (Union) spends the most to influence California voters? Big Tobacco? Big Oil? Big Pharma? Nope. It’s Big Teachers, aka The California Teachers Association. Over the past ten years, they’ve outspent their second place rival, the California State Council of Service Employees by nearly 2:1, outspent Big Oil by more than 3:1, and outspent Big Tobacco by more than 4:1. According to the attached report.
“Big Money Talks,” examines California’s Top 15 spending special interest groups over the last ten years. Their combined expenditures totaled more than $1 billion. Web Link
Here’s the ranking.
1. California Teachers Association $ 211,849,298
2. California State Council of Service Employees $ 107,467,272
3. Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America $ 104,912,997
Their political expenditures have been applied to efforts that deny school choice for low income families, block charter schools, and preserve a teacher compensation and job protection system that is based on seniority instead of merit. If fact, it appears that the CTA bosses don’t even care that much about their own members, California’s teachers. The CTA spent millions in the special election of 2005 to defeat a ballot measure that would prohibit the use of public employee union dues for political contributions without individual employees' prior consent (also known as paycheck protection). They did it in spite of the fact that across the country, teachers overwhelmingly opt out of paying for union leaders' political agendas.
Unions have a histroy of growing very large and representing the Union more than its members. I beleive that is the case with CCC.
This is not meant to offend anyone just put some facts to this argument about Unions.
Posted by JImbo, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Apr 18, 2010 at 9:17 am
Great points about the FREE use of the CCC facilities by the FHS golf team. I guess if we follow the "code of conduct" by those who agree with the union thugs, FHS should elect not to play golf at Castlewood too. Maybe they can play at the Fairgrounds.
The time for unions has come and gone. They are out of touch thugs imposing their agenda on their workers, and now on FHS students, who have to drive to Livermore because of loyalty to a friggin union by an out of touch teachers union.
Time for school vouchers and charter schools! And a new city council while we are at it.
Posted by Kathleen, a member of the Amador Valley High School community, on Apr 18, 2010 at 7:50 pm
This is anecdotal, but our neighbor's son attended the relocated FHS prom last night and had the time of his life, as did his date and the group of friends that they attended with. None in their group was disappointed, and they understood that the decision was political and had been made to ease tensions in town.
Bottom line: Despite the swirling debate that has consumed this very inwardly focused community, the kids were safe and had fun, which was what everyone wanted in the end anyway, right?
Posted by Foothill Parent, a resident of the Del Prado neighborhood, on Apr 18, 2010 at 8:05 pm
My daughter went to the relocated prom and had a wonderful time. That does not change the fact that the teacher's union forced these kids to relocate. Please leave the students out of your union battle. Kathleen, you are from the Amador Community so you might feel differently if you were from Foothill. Will the Amador Valley vs. Foothill golf match take place this weekend at Castlewood? Castlewood should not let it take place.
Posted by businesswoman, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Apr 19, 2010 at 12:10 pm
When the prom banquet contract was signed, was a deposit made? If so, will it be returned to the Junior Class at Foothill? Most contracts do not return deposits when cancellations are made at the last minute. Those kids worked hard to raise money for prom and most likely ended up not getting what they paid for since they had to move the venue. Last minute agreements with new caterers and changes to entertainment usually add extra expense. I presume the supporters of the move will be opening their wallets to help cover the added costs. It is only the right thing to do.
Posted by Foothill Parent, a resident of the Del Prado neighborhood, on Apr 19, 2010 at 9:22 pm
TR -- Yes fact. Do you really think 16 year old kids are thinking about the union, so they relocate their prom. Yes, the teachers brought it to their attention about the horrible Castlewood people. Yes fact.