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by bobbi, Another Pleasanton neighborhood,
on Apr 15, 2010
Final pink slips don't go out until *May* 15.
I wish the CORE apple was filling up more quickly...
How does the current fundraiser relate to teacher pink slips? My understanding from reading the letter sent to parents is that the money would go for tech and library services, not teachers.
Something was mentioned about additional sections in the high schools, but when you look at the amount they would allocate to that, even if the goal is raised, it would not be enough to save teachers' jobs.
Can you explain which teachers' jobs depend on the CORE fundraising? (I do not consider the librarians teachers for example)
I know a lot of people who will not be donating because they do not agree with the decisions made by the district. I am among them and I have kids in PUSD schools.
One thing is for sure, more teachers are not loosing their jobs because of concessions made by employees (classified and certificated).
As far as I know "To Sandy", teacher jobs are not going to be saved by CORE. However, tech/library positions will be. They are VITAL to a teacher/student's success. I guarantee if there isn't any tech support at the schools, you can say goodbye to online grades. You can also say goodbye to homework assignments being posted online.
Parents and students will have to deal with previous methods of schooling. Students get an assignment in class and if they loose it, they get a 0. No exceptions, no more Moodle, no more updated Zangle. If a teacher's laptop breaks, you can say goodbye to the teacher updating grades in a timely fashion because there will be no funds to purchase a new computer for the teacher (a laptop, which allows us to get on Zangle at night when we are working from home).
"you can say goodbye to online grades. You can also say goodbye to homework assignments being posted online. "
It is already that way with many teachers. Many teachers do not post anything online and they do not update Zangle until the end of a semester.
"Students get an assignment in class and if they loose it, they get a 0. No exceptions, "
It is already that way. One of my neighbors dealt with a teacher that scored 0's on Zangle even when the graded assignment had a different grade. In order to prove that a 0 should not be recorded, the student had to show the graded assignment to her teacher. Only then did the teacher correct the grade on Zangle. Had the student lost the graded assignment, she would have received a 0. Nothing to do with Zangle but with teachers not being careful.
"you can say goodbye to the teacher updating grades in a timely fashion "
That is already happening. Depends on the teacher. Some teachers update Zangle seldom if at all.
Thanks for clarifying Sandy's statement. I too thought that no teachers jobs would be saved with CORE, something Sandy stated above.
"To Teacher Here"
Please that is such a small minority of teachers that don't update Zangle. Where do you come up with your information???
About the student that got a 0 in Zangle, mistakes happen. Please don't tell me you are perfect and never make one. It happens that teachers are putting in grades and accidentally make a mistake on a student's grade. If teachers just assume that a student did the work and it was an honor system, do you know how many students would say that they did the assignment when they really didn't??? How else is a teacher supposed to verify that an error was made until they see the assignment with the real grade?!! Your logic makes no sense.
Quit hating on teachers. This argument is old and no one cares anymore.
I do not hate teachers. I simply replied to the teacher who said that without tech support, students can get a 0 if they lose the assignment. Based on what my neighbor went through, it seems to me that a student can get a 0 if they lose an assignment, with or without tech support or Zangle.
About the honor system: maybe you cannot rely on students but that is why it is so important for teachers not to make mistakes like this. Giving a 0 to a student who earned a different grade is not fair and teaches the wrong thing. Again, this happened to my neighbor's child, and it would have happened whether there is tech support or not, whether there is Zangle or not (without Zangle the mistake would have been done on paper or the teacher's personal computer)
It is important not to say things that are either misleading or not true. Sandy implied that if the CORE fundraising was more successful we could avoid pink slips, but as Teacher clarified, that is simply not the case
Sandy implied that if the CORE fundraising was more successful we could avoid TEACHER pink slips, but as Teacher clarified, that is simply not the case
People make mistakes. Teachers make mistakes. Funny how there is NO responsibility on the student to keep all work instead of throwing it away, in case a mistake happens. Because they happen.
I realize that this isn't the point of the thread, but honestly, so sick of people putting all the blame on teachers all the time and NO responsibility whatsoever on students!
"I realize that this isn't the point of the thread, but honestly, so sick of people putting all the blame on teachers all the time and NO responsibility whatsoever on students!"
It is not the point of this thread but your comment needs addressing.
No one is saying students should not be responsible, but when a teacher makes a mistake the blame should not go to the student.
Students live with the consequences if they forget an assignment at home or lose it before turning it in. They get a lower grade or a 0, and they learn from it. Just like the students take responsibility when they screw up, the teachers too need to take responsibility for their mistakes.
In my neighbors' situation, the student was responsible: turned in the assignment on time and filed it for her records. The teacher on the other hand, was not responsible and pretty much accused the student of lying - until the student produced proof of her already graded work (graded by the same teacher who did not believe the student in the first place).
The point I made and I will make again is this: with or without tech support, with or without Zangle, the mistake would have been made, and had the student lost the graded assignment, she would have unfairly been given a 0 which she did not deserve. Blame the teacher? Absolutely, I cannot see what kind of lesson this responsible student is supposed to learn from this, other than to not trust her teachers at all. Perhaps students should photocopy assignments prior to turning them in? How about obtaining the teachers' signature after taking a test in case the teacher "makes a mistake" and loses the test?
btw, it was a teacher who said that if a student loses an assgnment, the grade is 0, and how with tech support this can be avoided....absolute nonsense!
Give them all "pinks", kick the union out, and let them all re-apply. Union done -crap over.
I did not intend to imply a connection between my two paragraphs. CORE fundraising will not impact teaching positions.
Why is there still a principal for adult education?
Have you called to find out what the responsibilities are for that position, how that position would run without a lead administrator, what other positions that administrator covers on top of Adult Education? You would be surprised at the multiple roles and responsibilities the administrators have taken on since the district cut almost $20 million from its budget.
To "Teacher Here",
I don't believe that you're a teacher because if you were you would not use the word "loose" instead on the correct word "lose". Moron
Pink Slips - another union exageration. There are so many things wrong with the whole "pink slip" process I don't know where to begin.
First off, my understanding is any employee that could possibly be laid off is issued one. My first question to this is - why wouldn't every employee fall into that classification.....oh yeah, tenure, another union bs protectionism. When the private sector has layoffs no employee is exempt - there are of course those that are more likely to be let go than others, but that is based on their performance, ranking, and contribution to the company.
How long will we continue to put up with this manipulative and clearly crippled system? Its unfair to students, teachers, parents, and taxpayers.
Back to the original question...
The PUSD Board's resolution 2009-10.20 was for 32 certificated FTE equivalent (Web Link) layoffs.
The PUSD Board's updated resolution 2009-10.25 was for 27.9 certificated FTE equivalent (Web Link) layoffs.
Note that this 27.9 is more projected layoffs than the PUSD/Union tentative agreement called for when they agreed to raise classrom student/teacher staffing ratios and to eliminate the 7th period at the high school level (reducing sections and teachers needed).
Also note, that this is 'FTE equivalent', meaning more teachers than 28 should have received a 'pink slip' for either an outright layoff, or a reduced work schedule.
As Sandy says above, the final pink slips quantity will be known soon.
Anyone else with more up-to-date status??? Please post. Thanks.
I have three children at PMS, and each one of them has only THREE teachers that post grades on Zangle, and fewer than that post homework on Moodle.
"I have three children at PMS, and each one of them has only THREE teachers that post grades on Zangle, and fewer than that post homework on Moodle."
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