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Pleasanton will be hub of activity on tax day

Original post made on Apr 14, 2010

Tomorrow, April 15, will be a busy day for Pleasanton as last-minute tax filers drive their returns to the post office. A Bay Area-wide Tea Party is taking place at the Fairgrounds, which is expected to draw thousands.

Read the full story here Web Link posted Wednesday, April 14, 2010, 12:50 PM

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Posted by Patriot
a resident of Amador Valley High School
on Apr 14, 2010 at 2:34 pm

As if these people really represent the god fearing, tax paying, patriotic folk. They are just hateful, spiteful and very, very, very white. We are a nation of many cultures, faiths and colors. Get used to it. The Cleavers have been dead for 50 years.


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Posted by American girl
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Apr 14, 2010 at 3:48 pm

Wow ! You call yourself a patriot ?? I believe it's being held on TAX day, cleverly calling it a 'tea' party, reminiscent of the original protest against the King, protesting unfair taxes. What's with your rants ! You may quietly get your thrill paying your taxes..
Some receive more from their government than they contribute. Others contribute considerably more to government,than they receive.


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Posted by zz
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Apr 14, 2010 at 3:54 pm

That's right, we shouldn't have to pay for government services. Maybe the local businesses should get in on the act as well, and start giving away their services for free, too.

Very, very well said, Patriot. These tea baggers don't live in the real world.


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Posted by zz
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Apr 14, 2010 at 4:29 pm

Two-thirds (67%) of federal spending is on Medicare, Social Security, Defense and Interest (national debt). I know many teabaggers who benefit tremendously from those first three and generally support increasing spending on them (and are most certainly appalled by any attempt to cut them, especially when a Democrat proposes the cut). Spending on #4 increased dramatically as the result of President Bush's tax cuts that were not offset with spending cuts. I will respect the TEA Party movement as soon as I meet a tea partier that actually has a workable solution. Meanwhile, they just run around looking like idiots.


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Posted by Jessica Rothhaar
a resident of another community
on Apr 14, 2010 at 5:30 pm

I really wish the reporter had gotten her facts right. The group demonstrating outside the fairgrounds are not "HHS workers," they are people with disabilities, one of whom happens to be a good friend of mine, and they are there because the Governor's cuts to health, human services and social security are literally threatening their lives.


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Posted by Yates
a resident of Downtown
on Apr 14, 2010 at 5:35 pm

On April 15, we can all thank Bridget Melson for making Pleasanton the new epicenter for the white nationalist Tea Party movement. Just when I think Pleasanton is becoming a more diverse and open-minded community, we have some evangelical wingnut make our town look like John Birch Central. That will do wonders for our city's image!


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Posted by Dark Corners of Town
a resident of Country Fair
on Apr 14, 2010 at 6:10 pm

Yes! Thanks to Dr. Melson for bringing balance to this leftist Bay Area. Thousands of visitors to the area will also bring retail income and tax revenue. Again, Thanks Bridget!


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Posted by Joe
a resident of Downtown
on Apr 14, 2010 at 10:21 pm

The Stars and Bars will fly again... Sothrens hear your country call ye in November!


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Posted by just a citizen
a resident of Birdland
on Apr 14, 2010 at 10:29 pm

Many many thanks and much gratitude to Dr Melson. hope its a huge crowd. Yates should perhaps consider moving given the concerns voiced for Plesanton's image. But maybe its just freedom of speech that Yates really is opposed to....


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Posted by Ron
a resident of Las Positas
on Apr 14, 2010 at 10:40 pm

These tea baggers have no idea of the current situation. We finally after 8 years of blunders by the GOP and Cons have a administration that has our economy and our National policy going in the right directions. We have a President that actually understands the Constitution and understands that it is not "just a piece of paper". If these tea baggers knew what was going on they would understand that thanks to Pres Obama that a large majority of them are paying less taxes this year. They are just sore losers from the last election and will have great fun with their silly protests that are very miss-guided and total nonsense. The more they make noise the more people see them as morons.


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Posted by Vote them out
a resident of Golden Eagle
on Apr 14, 2010 at 11:05 pm

State spending is more of a concern than that of the feds. This welfare state is spending most of our tax dollars on welfare for the non-contributing members of our society and illegals. That leaves very little for anything else, such as quality education for our children. We need to vote out all those law makers who believe in spending more on services for those who choose to leech off of us. Our hard earned money should be spent on services for us and our children. Tons of these leeches keep on breeding and work less so they can leech more off of our tax dollars. That needs to stop!


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Posted by Jane
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Apr 15, 2010 at 7:45 am

Until the TEA party has a coherent, reasonable message the public, they will be considered the fringe of American politics. As an anti-tax group with no actual platform, they come off simply as wingnuts in favor of more potholes, fewer teachers and less police protection, which is what less taxes will buy you.

No leadership, no proposals and no viable answers equals no respect from me.



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Posted by resident Autumn Glen
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Apr 15, 2010 at 8:29 am

Yates, Thank you for your post- my sentiments exactly!


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Posted by Sirena Lopez
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Apr 15, 2010 at 8:46 am

Thank you too Yates... Tea Party is just trying to take American back. Everyone is welcome, but this country was built "Under God". It is not about race. Many people of color believe in God. It's the FAR left, just like the extreme right that want their demands meet that harm our country. Pelosi, back in the day in San Francisco was an extremist then and made fun of by the main stream media. My father fought in WWII to make us free country. Hopefully all the service people who have died in wars have not fought in vain, as we are heading for socialism.


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Posted by Arroyo
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Apr 15, 2010 at 9:29 am

You lefties are just too hypocritical for words. Anybody ever heard of the right to "Free Speech"? Or, does that only work for rallies that you agree with?

Dr. Melson, and the rest of those attending the rally today have a right to speak out. Of course, their vote in November will send the loudest message of all.


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Posted by Dale
a resident of Birdland
on Apr 15, 2010 at 9:35 am

The Tea Party is an almost entirely white movement, largely driven by a sense that the government is taking money away from people like them and giving it to people unlike them, with "them" understood in a racial context.

No question about it, Melson and her ilk are part of a white racial movement. They can say their movement is about "low taxes" and "less government", but it is really about keeping America white and fearing everything that different from their whitebred world.


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Posted by What
a resident of Beratlis Place
on Apr 15, 2010 at 9:38 am

I find those white people that scream racism whenever they hear something they don't like, are the real racists. They clutch their wallet when a black or hispanic person walks by and then proceed to drive back to Ruby Hills. They believe in free speech if they are the ones speaking. Their vision of democracy is built on despising the military and all of those who defend our constitution. It is no longer about black, white, jewish, brown or anything else. It is about special interest groups that promote agendas that only a few agree with.


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Posted by steve
a resident of Parkside
on Apr 15, 2010 at 9:45 am

Who let out all the racists (anti-white) to post today? No doubt this drivel is coming from the same leftist geek in his jammies in a basement in an elistist encalve outside of Pleasanton.
Does PW check the IP addresses of posters anymore to block multiple posts from the same (ab)user?
Why does the left play the race card constantly when they fail to address the issues? Rhetorical question, I know.
It's because they can't debate issues on their merit, so they devolve into name calling and emotional rhetoric.
Major fail, Dale, 'patriot' (not!), Jane, and you other lefitst trolls.
See you at the Fairgrounds, where you will no doubt attempt to infiltrate the true patriots fighting to regain control for this dillusional administration. ...Amateurs all....


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Posted by Sirena Lopez
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Apr 15, 2010 at 9:55 am

Appartenlty What and Dale are way off base. The people in Ruby Hills have earned what they worked for. You have proved my point about socialism. Why did I work for 38 years in a fraud enviorment to give my money over to people who live off the goverment. It's not about white or black, cause there our plenty of white people who are welfare, check fraud people too. I just want what I worked so hard for and made many sacrifices mine. I don't live in Ruby Hills, but I worked hard to buy a house in Pleasanton so my children would receive a good education in order not to grow up like I did.... poor. I made it, and if I did anyone could. I am proud my Dad installed hard working ethics in me. Proud to say my son is a Police Officer in Oakland, doing the right thing..... So don't say its about race....People need a good home enviroment, good education and work ethics, not hand outs


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Posted by robert Perez
a resident of another community
on Apr 15, 2010 at 9:59 am

The Tea party is about saving the country for everyone. Its funny how these race baiters always want to raise "Racism" when anything threatens their carets.
Stop with the victim stance and learn a bit about the country you live in. We are the country that abandoned slavery. We are the nation that allows all to achieve to their potential. We are the nation that recognizes True human rights based on "being" not belonging to an ideology.
Progressive policies have failed all who have tried them and they are destroying our nation at present. We must reset the Federal Gov and limit them to the authority the States set on them. We the people own the rights not the Federal Gov. We shall dictate the terms of our freedoms not the federal Gov.
Join true Americans and join the movement to put the federal Government back in their box.
If you dont like the Constitution...Amend it!......but dont charge those of us that believe in the greatness of our liberties and freedoms as Racist. The charge in and of itself is baseless, without fact and could be based in racism itself.
Let freedom ring!


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Posted by Bruce
a resident of Pleasanton Heights
on Apr 15, 2010 at 10:09 am

I prefer to look at the Tea Party movement as an anti incumbant group rather than a Republicla group. The current Federal and State governments have screwed up so badly, they all deserve to lose their jobs.

I am sick and tired of all the lazy ass citizens that feel that they are entitled to what I have without earning it like I did. I'm sick of all the idiots that can't afford health insurance, but are driving a new BMW. It is time to educate this country on how to work for what they want, not elect some jerk who will tax me to buy your vote.


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Posted by Dale
a resident of Birdland
on Apr 15, 2010 at 10:31 am

A University of Washington poll released last week shows that among whites who approve of the Tea Party, only 35 percent said they believe blacks are hard-working, only 45 percent believe blacks are intelligent, and just 41 percent believe that they're trustworthy.

Keep it classy Tea Party!


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Posted by Nosy Neighbors
a resident of Pleasanton Heights
on Apr 15, 2010 at 10:55 am

This is beautiful! The left fears the TEA Party movement even when there is a lack of a truly cohesive platform, accepted leadership, any real "TEA Party" candidates or even a way of vetting future ones. They fear the message, they fear what the TEA Party has exposed their leftist agenda to truly be & they fear that they are about to loose their sacred cow/chosen one along with huge chunk of the house & senate this fall. It is also amazing that any gathering of more than five white guys immediately is classified as a hate speech, KKK, white supremacist rally. Really? I do not believe that anybody was bussed into Pleasanton, paid a stipend by ACORN & given a sign to shove in the faces of the nearest reporter & a silly chant to shout out repeatedly.

It takes a heck of a lot prodding, agitating, insulting & yes...taxing to death to make the producers in society finally get out from behind their desks, take time off from WORK (hard as it is to believe, some people still do have jobs that occupy our day) & come to these events. As I drive to the post office today with a big envelope with a check made out to the United States Treasury for both more than I can afford, more than I paid last year (oh yeah, after making less too) I will peaceably join my fellow citizens in the last venue of free speech still protected under our constitution.

All the Rachel Madcows of the world , MSNBC screaming heads, left-leaning Pleasantonians & their ilk are more than welcome to come & join in on the fun.


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Posted by robert Perez
a resident of another community
on Apr 15, 2010 at 11:03 am

interesting Dale........
respectfully to you..........
but as to the poll......
Who really cares what "white" people who approve of the tea party think : )
I wonder what Black people who approve of the Tea party think about Whites.

The questions are racist in their construction. Anyone that would answer such questions without context or qualification are idiots.

: )


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Posted by Stacey
a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Apr 15, 2010 at 11:05 am

Stacey is a registered user.

"Ambition, avarice, personal animosity, party opposition, and many other motives not more laudable than these, are apt to operate as well upon those who support as those who oppose the right side of a question. Were there not even these inducements to moderation, nothing could be more ill-judged than that intolerant spirit which has, at all times, characterized political parties. For in politics, as in religion, it is equally absurd to aim at making proselytes by fire and sword. Heresies in either can rarely be cured by persecution.
And yet, however just these sentiments will be allowed to be, we have already sufficient indications that it will happen in this as in all former cases of great national discussion. A torrent of angry and malignant passions will be let loose. To judge from the conduct of the opposite parties, we shall be led to conclude that they will mutually hope to evince the justness of their opinions, and to increase the number of their converts by the loudness of their declamations and the bitterness of their invectives. An enlightened zeal for the energy and efficiency of government will be stigmatized as the offspring of a temper fond of despotic power and hostile to the principles of liberty. An over-scrupulous jealousy of danger to the rights of the people, which is more commonly the fault of the head than of the heart, will be represented as mere pretense and artifice, the stale bait for popularity at the expense of the public good. It will be forgotten, on the one hand, that jealousy is the usual concomitant of love, and that the noble enthusiasm of liberty is apt to be infected with a spirit of narrow and illiberal distrust. On the other hand, it will be equally forgotten that the vigor of government is essential to the security of liberty; that, in the contemplation of a sound and well-informed judgment, their interest can never be separated; and that a dangerous ambition more often lurks behind the specious mask of zeal for the rights of the people than under the forbidden appearance of zeal for the firmness and efficiency of government. History will teach us that the former has been found a much more certain road to the introduction of despotism than the latter, and that of those men who have overturned the liberties of republics, the greatest number have begun their career by paying an obsequious court to the people; commencing demagogues, and ending tyrants."

-Alexander Hamilton in Federalist #1


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Posted by Today is Leonardo Da Vinci's Birthday
a resident of Downtown
on Apr 15, 2010 at 1:24 pm

What is the specific agenda of the Tea Partiers?

Really, they haven't got an agenda. I know they're anti-government and anti-tax, but what are their alternatives?

How would the Tea Partiers have handled the recent financial crisis, for example? Without the $2 trillion bailout to the banks, the world economy would have collapsed into another Great Depression.

Where did that $2 trillion come from? Deficit spending that will be repaid by taxes.

The Tea Partiers really have nothing to offer but inchoate rage. They remind me of Howard Beal in the film "Network": "I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it any more!"

But at least the Tea Partiers will get out in the sunshine and the fresh air, and let's hope they stay in Pleasanton hotels and eat at Pleasanton restaurants--because we can use the tax revenue!


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Posted by Rat Turd
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Apr 15, 2010 at 2:03 pm

Interesting comments. 2/3 of the voters equate themselves to the tea party. The tea party people are for representative government, reflective and fair taxation, financial reform, and elected officials who vote and represent the viewpoint of their constituents. November is going to be quite interesting and I believe will show the real power of the movement. After deletion of elected officials, both republican and democrat, in November I believe you will see the Obama regime taking a different approach to courting this growing group. To ignore or attack them verbally will prove to be foolhardy.


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Posted by Rat Turd
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Apr 15, 2010 at 3:48 pm

Agenda of Tea Party

(1) Require each bill to identify its constitutional authorization

(2) Defund, repeal, and replace government-run health care

(3) Demand a balanced budget

(4) End runaway government spending by imposing a statutory cap limiting growth in federal spending

(5) Enact fundamental reform to simplify and lower taxes

(6)Create a Blue Ribbon task force that engages in a complete audit of federal agencies and programs

(7) Reject cap-and-trade

(8) Pass an all of the above energy policy

(9) Stop the 2011 tax hikes

(10) Stop the pork


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Posted by zz
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Apr 15, 2010 at 4:19 pm

I think the Tea Party folk (aka extreme-right Republicans, let's be honest) overestimate their ability to win in November. This country is in FAR better shape than it was when the current administration took office just over a year ago. They're certainly not going to win by continuing to trot out idiots like Sarah Palin--she's what sealed the loss for McCain in '08!


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Posted by Robert Perez
a resident of another community
on Apr 15, 2010 at 4:45 pm

delusional Sheeple......that all you can say about these pro big government rabbits.
They will see in 2012 ....the reality their media refuses to show them. : )


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Posted by Dale
a resident of Birdland
on Apr 15, 2010 at 4:48 pm

Bridget Melson looks about as honest and credible as a Real Housewife of Pleasanton can, I suppose. I'm sure that behind the spray-on tan, heavy makeup, colored and sprayed hair, bleached teeth, and raccoon eyes lies a real person of substance.

By the way, I am getting a refund on both federal and state tax returns this year. I had to pay - a lot - every single year during Bush's 8 year reign of terror.


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Posted by zz
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Apr 15, 2010 at 5:06 pm

>> They will see in 2012 ....the reality their media refuses to show them. : )

What, now that Sarah Palin has grown up and can answer questions on her own (assuming the correct answers are written on her hand), Fox News is now saying she is ready to win a national election?

<snore>

The race to the intellectual bottom continues.


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Posted by Yates
a resident of Downtown
on Apr 15, 2010 at 6:40 pm

Until these people publicaly burn their Medicare and Social Security cards and quit driving on the Interstate Highway System, they are just freeloaders. A bunch of selfish creeps who don't want to pay their taxes, but want to enjoy all the goodies the government provides them. Sickening fake patriotism masking racism.


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Posted by Rat Turd
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Apr 15, 2010 at 7:10 pm

You libs should get out and protest if you are so sure in your beliefs. Oh you did! I counted 12 of you in the protest area when I walked in and 2 in the protest area when I left. I really had a laugh about the little group protesting the war in Afghanistan which the Obama Regime has expanded beyond reason. I think people who stand up for free speech and exercise it are great.


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Posted by Nurse Shark
a resident of Canyon Creek
on Apr 15, 2010 at 7:25 pm

I love the impotent "threats" of the white-wing nutjobs on this forum:

"We'll bust the teacher's union--watch out, school board!" and then one person shows up to speak against the new contract.

Now it's "just wait until 2012! We'll have the last laugh when we oust Obama!" The false sense of size and power is staggering.

It kind of reminds me of the impotent threats kids make on the playground about their dad beating up the other kid's dad. So childish!

But I guess if that's your idea of a beautiful dream, dream on. I'm sure when it doesn't happen, you'll have some sort of conspiracy theory about how Obama "stole" the election, because it'll never occur to these people that maybe, just maybe, they're absolutely bonkers.


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Posted by can't believe
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Apr 15, 2010 at 7:36 pm

Dale, your comments sicken me.


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Posted by Rat Turd
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Apr 15, 2010 at 7:41 pm

I would not worry about Dale. By the way he writes he is probably not old enough to vote and his parents have sent him to bed by now.


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Posted by Janna
a resident of Dublin
on Apr 15, 2010 at 7:55 pm

Janna is a registered user.

Rat Turd,

I would have LOVED to see you post that list while Bush was president. Everything on that list could have applied to him easily.

Where were the protests then? Oh yeah, he was a repub. You only get all hot and bothered when there's a dem in office.

This is why we can't take the Tea Baggers seriously. The rules only apply to dems.


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Posted by Mike
a resident of Highland Oaks
on Apr 15, 2010 at 8:14 pm

I put my faith in the patriotic American majority who voted Obama into office, and I'm willing to give the President 4 or possibly 8 years to try to accomplish what he spelled out during his campaign.

Had McCain won, I'd have given him the same courtesy.

That's the way it's supposed to work in a democracy, isn't it? Each individual casts a vote, and then everyone abides by the majority decision, right?


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Posted by Nosy Neighbors
a resident of Pleasanton Heights
on Apr 15, 2010 at 9:45 pm

Hey "Janna" go back into the archives & you'll see not only me (Nosy Neighbors) but a whole slew of others that could not simply believe the spend & spend (as opposed to tax & spend) policies of the Bushy era. Trust me, before Obama we all thought the last administration would go down in history as one of the most ineffective & especially COSTLY presidencies of the recent era. Unfortunately for all of us, the chosen one has proven us all wrong. Along with his polarization of the congress, multiple & un-defendable czarist appointments we will never know the true extent of the corruption, graft & thoroughly socialist leaning policies being implemented throughout our country as we speak. So yeah, while us Tea Baggers are railing against the current administration we are also trying to bring attention to the decades old disease that has infiltrated almost every aspect of government from dog catcher on up.

You remember the old movies with the villagers storming the castle with torches & pitchforks? Just substitute Twitter, Skype & any other relevant un-compromised, social media venue & you'll get a basic idea of what is taking place here. The PEOPLE are finally going to be heard & thanks in part to a vocal minority like yourself we are being heard.

Thanks, the revolution is being televised!


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Posted by Sal
a resident of Del Prado
on Apr 15, 2010 at 9:58 pm

"Don't these Tea Party people have jobs?"

Nope - they all came to the Klan rally after first cashing their Social Security and SSI checks.


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Posted by steve
a resident of Parkside
on Apr 15, 2010 at 10:49 pm

Sal, put down the bong. Now listen: The Tea Partier's are the ones paying the majority of taxes in this country to support slugs like you.
When or if you check yourself into rehab, it will be funded by the hard work of tax paying folks like the Tea Partiers. No need t thank them....they didn't have much say in how their tax money gets spent, but then, that's what they are trying to change.


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Posted by Robert Paul Perez
a resident of another community
on Apr 16, 2010 at 8:06 am

Bahahahahaha! LMAO!

Look how all these libs play the race card ..over and over and over again. Then they pound on Bush as if we are supporters of Bush.

You people are freeloading destruction'ist....

one of you claim to allow Obama to implement his agenda as stated during his campaign .....laughable!! He never stated "what he was going to do".......that was the tactic. Our you all that dumb to not even recognize when you have been snookered.

We all now know who Obama is........if you support him....be a proud socialist, own it, but dont claim any part of the great principles of this nation or that those of us defending freedom are loons. Its like the founding all over again and we know how that turned out.

We have the Constitution on our side......what do you got?.........nothin!

BTW.........."news flash" for the libs......Your BANKRUPT!


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Posted by Rae
a resident of Mohr Park
on Apr 16, 2010 at 9:07 am

"Look how all these libs play the race card"
Hey, it makes sense that you, as a Tea Party supporter, would say that since according to the recently released NYT poll 89% of your group is white and 52% say too much has been made of the problems facing black people in recent years.

"they pound on Bush as if we are supporters of Bush"
Well, 57% of Tea Party supporters *do* have a favorable opinion of Bush, and only 5% think he is mostly to blame for the current state of the nation's economy.

"You people are freeloading destruction'ist"
Well now, I guess that life doesn't look so bad from your point of view since 88% of you are either employed or retired, and 78% of you rate your financial situation fairly good to very good. I can see where you would feel that the millions of folks who have lost their jobs, health care and homes to the recession have nothing to complain about. Yep, while 49% of you are receiving Social Security and 43% are covered by Medicare, heaven forbid that someone who has paid into unemployment insurance for years while working whould actually receive some of that benefit.

"We all now know who Obama is"
I guess since 59% of Tea Party supporters think Obama was born in another country or don't know where he was born, that would be . . . not an American???

"We have the Constitution on our side......what do you got?.........nothing!"
"News Flash" for you . . . although the original Constitution excluded people of color and women, luckily, we all now have the Constitution on our side. In fact, many of us who don't happen to be of the Tea Party persuasion have fought and died for that same Constitution. We too are "true American patriots" . . . just of the liberal kind.


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Posted by hey Robert
a resident of Golden Eagle
on Apr 16, 2010 at 9:10 am

Learn how to spell before you start calling everyone names! Makes you look pretty stupid and ignorant!


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Posted by robert Paul Perez
a resident of another community
on Apr 16, 2010 at 9:28 am

Typical childish response from the willing idiots!
now blame George Bush.....
lie about getting a tax brake, when you are thrown scraps from your welfare President
and complete the trifecta.
LMAO!


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Posted by zz
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Apr 16, 2010 at 9:40 am

I wonder how many Tea Partiers have actually studied the Federal budget. It's easy to make fun of pork projects, but eliminating ALL of them still wouldn't balance the budget.

In fact, once you take out Social Security, Medicare, Defense and Interest (the "untouchables" according to Repubs and Dems), you'd need to eliminate nearly all other Federal spending to balance the budget at current tax levels. Bush's tax cuts have put this country into deep, deep financial trouble--an $10+ trillion by many estimates.

So, Tea Party geniuses, how do you fix that?


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Posted by robert Perez
a resident of another community
on Apr 16, 2010 at 10:58 am

Simple but tough ZZ.

Those untouchable programs, as you put it, are Bankrupt. In effect they are already lost unless you know something no one else does.

Bush spent to much just as Obama is now putting that spending on steroids.

What Progressives always fail to see is that the unintended or intended consequences of the warm hearted or fool hearted progressive programs is mediocracy at best, complete failure at worst.
Just as the Wilson/Roosevelt era policies compounded the great depression and extended it arguably 10 years. it was free market solutions and across the board tax cuts (not rebates) plus a massive cut to spending that created the conditions of massive prosperity in the 1920s.

To day we have an out of control Federal Gov. Both parties have embraced the tactic of progressivism as a method of purchase, corrosion, or out right corruption to gain votes and a power base. Non-Party Americans or independents have been the targets of much of this subversion.

I am a Tea party participant, there are no "Tea party" members, as it is not a Party. I simply speak for myself as every supporter does.

Raising taxes is idiotic and a proven way to decrease revenue. Reagan demonstrated in modern time the "laugher curve" in practice. Lower tax rates and increase revenue. Carter, Raise taxes and revenue drops. Of course there is a balancing point as with all curves and have been overtaxed for decades. We must repeal the Income tax and put in place a National sales tax. This will allow for all citizens to get skin and a voice in the game.
Perhaps 12% to 15% should do the trick.
Spending in the federal Government must also be cut to the bone. Repeal the 17th amendment to the Constitution and return representation in the Federal system to the State legislators. The then can control all social program spending at the State levels and experiments in programs will take place at the State levels, where it was intended. This returns power to the people and the protection from complete collapse should any one system fail. Military spending should also be cut perhaps in half, but not for the reason of creating a weaker military, but rather a stronger more lethal force. We need to stop the foreign welfare system that we have combined under the National defense umbrella. Foreign Gov. have had their progressive programs subsidized by the American people for decades. Without the need to spend money on their own defense the US has provided troops and money to defend the entire free world. It is time to cut them off and stop with any concept of "nation building" or long term troop deployments. We should "walk softly" (leave others alone) but carrie a big stick (mess with us and we destroy you, then go home). The days of being the worlds police force is over. We cant even pay our own police.

*Cut the Federal Budget 50%
*Cut Tax "Rates" by 50% or replace with a sales tax
*Unleash American industries by repealing laws, regulations, all taxes. (remember Corps don't pay taxes...we do)
*Return the power of the Federal Government to the confines of the Constitution.

Its a start.....
so what would you do to fix things...........and don't say "Hope".


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Posted by zz
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Apr 16, 2010 at 11:41 am

Robert,

Your organization holds events that it calls TEA Parties. My use of the term Tea Partiers is correct in that context.

Taking those programs out of the Federal government doesn't eliminate those costs from the economy, it just transfers the costs elsewhere. That's the whole fallacy of this anti-government movement.

Your group has so much anger at the government that you fail to notice that the alternatives also have costs--and I assure you, the private industry cost of running healthcare for senior citizens, fire departments, freeway maintenance, etc. are far higher than the government cost. Government agencies have no profit requirement and can get away with paying lower salaries than private industry. As a result, they can very often run programs far more efficiently than private industry. Medicare spending looks big in the context of the whole Federal ball of yarn, but it is far more efficient than any private insurance company.

There used to be private-industry equivalents of Social Security and Medicare, but the private sector failed. The private sector has a profit motive that is in direct conflict with the conditions and requirements of senior citizens, which is why the government runs the programs--no need to cut off the sickest and frailest seniors in order to boost profits.

I'd be happy to cut Defense spending, but Tea Partiers tend to like expensive weapons systems and big wars against countries that did us no harm. You know, because that's the only way to be Patriotic, right?!

I believe you're referring to the Laffer Curve, not the laugher curve. Republicans like to pull it out in order to justify tax cuts. But it DIDN'T work for Reagan and Bush. All it did was create bigger deficits and increase the national debt.

Rather than trusting the things you read and hear on extremist web sites and television/radio programs, I encourage you to perform your own due diligence. The Federal Budget and historical results of supply-side (read: Laffer) economics are easy to find on the Web. Your shallow attempts at solutions to very complex problems are unworkable, and history has definitively proven so.




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Posted by robert Perez
a resident of another community
on Apr 16, 2010 at 1:33 pm

ZZ,
thanks for the corrections I didn't think Laugher was correct..lol
I am however knowledgeable on what works and what does not. Why do you bring up the deficit with Reagan and Bush when they are not relevant to the point of revenue. The "Laffer" curve is a simple and accurate method of explaining the relationship between "tax rates" and the revenue stream. I never defended the spending of either admin as it relates to revenue.
Lower taxes would indeed create more revenue but you must also decrease spending to see any positive effect in your bottom line. Bush sucked as far as spending, Obama sucks more. I would like a Federal Gov. that does not suck ate all.
Im not afraid of costs for the programs to help those in need, we need those. We must take these issues on at the State level and pay a true cost of benefits and not hide and divert the cost to future generations. It is criminal to, in effect, steel the future from our children and grand children. Even worse, should we destroy this Country they will have nothing. The Federal Gov. has proven they are incompetent and politically incapable of running social programs. I don't see how anyone can argue it any other way. The evidence is clear, we must take the control back to the States and allow them to work towards solutions that work for the people.
Finally, may I say , I and know one I know are anti-Gov. I am anti-corruption and empty promises. The dividing of this country for party power must change. The founding principles of this nation and we the people (the holders of rights) are the only one that can fix this. If we do not save ourselves, no one will.


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Posted by zz
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Apr 16, 2010 at 2:45 pm

The Laffer Curve is *not* an accurate method of explaining the relationship between tax rates and revenue streams. It is an economic *theory* that has not proven accurate in reality. The *theory* is that lower taxes will result in a greater incentive to produce economic value, which will result in a net increase in overall tax revenue (or at least a wash). However, tax cuts during the Reagan and Bush years did not produce more revenue, as suggested by the theory--after 30 years, the theory still hasn't been proven to work. Instead, it resulted in less tax revenue and thus dramatic defecits.

So, back to my previous point. What government expenditures *are* you in favor of cutting? Medicare? Social Security? Defense? Those are the only ones that will actually make a difference. Like I said in my previous post, if you don't touch those, then you need to eliminate nearly *all* other spending to break even on current tax revenue. And yet, you come back and tell me that we need to keep programs for "those in need!"

This is what I find so amusing about the TEA movement. You want the services, just not the taxes that pay for them. I have yet to see a concrete, workable plan from anyone associated with your movement.







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Posted by Robert Perez
a resident of another community
on Apr 16, 2010 at 4:19 pm

Your assertion is in correct.......
Revenues did increase as spending also increased proving the problem is the Government spending, not low tax rates. but that aside.......

I so glad that your amused by "my movement", though I an a simple American and do not think of the Tea party as my movement. Diminishing real concerns by attacking the people that are pointing out problems does not add to the dialog. I believe I was clear but, perhaps I was not.
I do not want something for nothing or something from nothing (our current situation). There is no social security, there is no medicare as it was intended. Both have grown and expanded beyond its original scope and certainly beyond America's means. To argue the status quo is to argue futility.

Certainly we need to cut all of the programs you have mentioned. We must do it ourselves or simple economic will force changes that no one want. The federal Government needs to get out of the way and the States must take control of all Social programs, as they see fit for their citizens. I am for safety nets that can be managed and paid fore without Federal interference. No body, not even the "Radical" (jk) Tea party folks advocate no taxes. Of course we need to finance the programs that we have authorized the Federal Government to manage for the States. What Im saying and I believe most would say, is that the people or the States should control these programs so they fit the community that is paying for them.

I would ask you this.....

The Feds have proven to be a failure at holding the public trust. Their corruption for power has taken precedence over the best interest of the people, hence our current problems of unfunded entitlements. That can not be argued. Now why would you not want a more local control for State legislators and Governors to create programs that are sound within there own States?

The 10th amendment was specific as to the roll of the federal Government for a reason. The States should be the breading grounds for ideas. Some will fail but some will be successful. As the States adopt those idea that work our security is advanced without risking the entire nation on a fail idea or ideology. We must reject the idea of centralized Government in Washington just as the founders did. It is the only way to safe guard our liberty.

You want a solution......fair enough.......get involved and add to the pool, But don't slam those that understand there is a serious problem whether they personally have a great plan for solution or not. The message is as important as the solution as the more we all know the more ideas for solutions will grow.


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Posted by Another Patriot
a resident of Castlewood Heights
on Sep 4, 2010 at 2:46 pm

Go Bridget- Were turning California into a Constitution Loving Conservative state by the minute~ Yeah!


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