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From Jim's NYT link:
"Over most of that (past three decades) period, government policy and market forces have been moving in the same direction, both increasing inequality. ****The pretax incomes of the wealthy have soared since the late 1970s, while their tax rates have fallen more than rates for the middle class and poor."****
"Since 1980, median real household income has risen less than 15 percent. ****The only period of strong middle-class income growth during this time came in the mid- and late 1990s, which by coincidence was also the one time when taxes on the affluent were rising.****
For most of the last three decades, ****tax rates for the wealthy have been falling, while their pretax pay has been rising rapidly.**** Real incomes at the 99.99th percentile have jumped more than 300 percent since 1980. At the 99th percentile about $300,000 today real pay has roughly doubled.
The laissez-faire revolution that Mr. Reagan started did not cause these trends. But its policies ****tax cuts, light regulation, a patchwork safety net have contributed to them.****"
Jim, I sorta panicked there when I saw you posted a link from the RNC. Was afraid it'd violate the anti-porn policy pleasanton weekly has. Although, now that I look at it, having a big white man riding around on a mythical horse with a giant phallic symbol protruding from its head, you can see the line of thinking the GOP has been following lately. I feel it's important to protect our children from the filth they cater to and the porn hotline numbers they send out in their campaign fundraiser mails....
As for reality, here's a list of all the campaign promises Obama has kept. And this if from the St. Petersburg Times which won a Pulitzer last year. And last time I checked, George Soros had nothing to do with that organization.
Enjoy. Web Link >>> Web Link
I admit, I had to go look at the video after ASB mentioned something about a big white guy riding a mythical horse with a giant phallic symbol. I still think this video is the best: Web Link
Who could resist, it is a giant endorsement from a-sb or whomever is posting with that nom de plume today, (s)he didn't call me a moron even one time.
Though the fascination with porn leads me to believe that it is a he
thanks for reminding me. [Portion removed due to disrespectful comment or offensive language] That's why i just donated my life savings to the RNC.
special one, just for you a-sb
Unicorn, the new white meat: Web Link
I feel a lot of love on this board! :)
Stacey, Stacey Stacey...
You are overthinking and overanalyzing the video and are getting is so wrong.
Simply put, total governmental control is one extreme and zero government control is on the other. Total government control is communism, socialism, nazi-ism, fascizm.
Conservatives are not anti-government. We are in favor of limited government, ordered liberty.
I submit that there is not much difference between socialism and communism...tho the dictionary does specify some minor diffs. North Koreans who are living under an extreme Communist form of government call themselves "Socialist" vs. "Communist".
I submit that Obama is a Communist...despite the fact that he has a smooth, slick articulate command of the English language. He is the perfect Manchurian Candidate. And we Americans are in deep sh...t if he and his policies are not defeated soon.
It is the video that gets it wrong. It puts 100% government control on the left of the bar and 0% government control on the right side of the bar, thereby leading you to think that left=100% government control and right=0% government control. You're being manipulated by visual spin.
I agree that the bar is about levels of government control, but it is not about the political philosophies on the left and the right. If you were to place the Republican and Democratic parties on that bar, they're actually BOTH closer to 100% government control than the middle of that bar.
The reason Communist countries call themselves Socialist is because Communism means a stateless society and they're not stateless. The point you're missing is that the goal of communism is a stateless society, aka 0% government control. Take the bar in that video and tape the two ends together to make a circle. Now you can understand Communism.
Here's a political philosophy on the extreme right of that video's bar (0% government control). Read it and tell me if you think it is a "right" or "left" philosophy. Web Link
China has been embracing free markets. Does that make them less authoritarian?
Stacey, bless you for hanging in there. Honestly, many of these posts look so "Palinesque" that I just can't stomach the rhetoric (gives me the willies). Demonizing those that don't agree with an extremist position and consistently cutting and posting inflammatory articles gets us nowhere.
Hang in there - I'm toast.
Anarcho-syndicalism is an extreme leftist philosophy. Noam Chomsky is a follower and is one of the most leftist Anti-Americans in America. Among many aspects which identify this as a leftist philosophy is in its definition of social classes and their "fight" against other classes.
In a capitalistic, free enterprise-based economy like America (at least prior to the effing Communist of Obama), labelling others by social class is not accurate since socio-economic class is a fluid situation: one day you may be scraping by but by your hard work this can elevate you into a higher socio-economic level. I've been dirt poor and I've had a fair amount. I don't label myself into a particular "class"...this can change rapidly.
Unfortunately, with Obama at the helm along with two other branches of federal government aligned against ordinary Americans, the Obama Administration is determined to make us ALL members of the LOWER CLASS....for "fairness" reasons!!! This is against everything that has made this country great! I reject his policies with every fiber of my being!!!
Juan, Juan, Juan,
Once again you underanalyze how stupid you really are.
I would stipulate that there's little difference between a teabagger and a moron. Both claim to want 0% government control, then call for things like unwarranted wiretaps, bans on gay marriage, legislating personal activities, etc. What your typical teabagger wants is god knows what cuz you get a different answer everytime. ("Keep the govt's hands off my medicare!" "We think the government should stop providing healthcare and do more to create jobs!") I love your use of the phrase "ordered liberty". In other words, the freedom to do whatever you want (liberty) as long as I think it's okay (ordered), but if it isn't then get ready for our shock troops to come down on you. Yes, definitely the conservative way...
Juan, it's nice to see that lobotomy is doing you well...
Regarding China...yes, they've been embracing free markets because they realize total communist economy of rationing does not work. Of course, their central government takes a healthy slice of their profits and reallocates it to build their military.
Even people in North Korea who face death if they practice any free-enterprise to survive, still do so because if they don't they'll starve to death anyway. It is so ironic that many in North Korea have to resort to capitalism and free-enterprise (i.e. baking cookies to sell undercover to neighbors in exchange for a couple dollars for other essentials).
I fear for America under Obama. Now that he's won his Obamacare, America's freedom and economy are hanging by only a thread. Should Cap and Trade pass, I am afraid this would push us over the cliff...if our current rate of decline is not quite enough.
Thank you, hang in there, you are 100% correct, and I am with you 100%.
As I wrote above: "Take the bar in that video and tape the two ends together to make a circle."
ARTHUR: Please, please good people. I am in haste. Who lives
in that castle?
WOMAN: No one live there.
ARTHUR: Then who is your lord?
WOMAN: We don't have a lord.
DENNIS: I told you. We're an anarcho-syndicalist commune. We take
it in turns to act as a sort of executive officer for the week.
DENNIS: But all the decision of that officer have to be ratified
at a special biweekly meeting.
ARTHUR: Yes, I see.
DENNIS: By a simple majority in the case of purely internal affairs,--
ARTHUR: Be quiet!
DENNIS: --but by a two-thirds majority in the case of more--
ARTHUR: Be quiet! I order you to be quiet!
WOMAN: Order, eh -- who does he think he is?
ARTHUR: I am your king!
WOMAN: Well, I didn't vote for you.
Keeping promises implies 'honesty & or integrity' which of course is lacking thruout HC Bill. Assorted Medicare cuts...to insurance plan, hospitals, nursing homes, and other service providers. They talk about what's added in, but neglect to mention the NET cut of $428 Billion . Using boil the frog slowly method, the cuts are structured to creep in EACH year. Also, Medicare Advantage will face higher premiums and receive reduced benefits. This in an AP article today. These little footnotes are usually 'forgotten' during 'public' talk. Oh yes, and the removal of middle-class student loans seems to big ignored...just talk about the major increases to black colleges, and more student loans for families earning under $50K....that pretty much leaves out middle income families in the greater Bay Area !!! Promises?? I do THINK so,..more like secret surprises !
My Dear Anti-Stupid,
Sounds like you don't understand the term "ordered liberty." Let me clear this up for blockheads like you...and others who have been brainwashed to believe socialism is cool.
"Ordered Liberty" is another term for a system of Laws. Laws and their enforcement are necessary for civil society.
Laws...apparently are not necessary for Obama and his Admin to follow, however. Therefore, our society may devolve into an UNcivil society soon. I am ready if and when this happens because I believe in the 2nd Amendment...which many democrats do not.
Juan wrote: "Laws...apparently are not necessary for Obama and his Admin to follow, however."
And that's why those who distract themselves with left vs. right politics are doing our country no favors. The Bush administration has also flaunted the law, most recently a court ruled in favor of the rights of US Citizens in the case of Bush's wiretapping without court authorization. While the oligarchs are breaking the laws, Pleasanton Mom keeps reposting articles from AmericanThinker.com.
Stacey...if I were you, I'd stick to making comments about the PUSD and pubic schooling. You make a whole lot more sense on that subject.
When it comes to politics, I dismiss 90% of your comments because you have such a warped view of America, a warped view of conservatism, and a warped view of the Bush years (tho I was not a complete fan of his...especially when he along with the dems implemented TARP. Bush was not a true conservative... and that was my big problem with him).
I think it isn't so much that I have a warped view as much as I'm purposely exposing your narrow view to a bigger picture that appears conflicting when you try to understand it using the narrow left/right lens and it is causing some cognitive dissonance in your gray matter.
Anarcho-syndicalism is both right and left. Communism is both right and left. Objectivism is both right and left. Republicans are both right and left. Democrats are both right and left.
"Obama Administration Defends Wiretapping Without Warrant And Loses
So we find the Justice Department arguing in defense of one of the most egregious abuses of power indeed, an illegitimate assumption of power bequeathed to him by the Bush administration: the illegal wiretapping of Americans. Yesterday, the administration lost a round in that fight, when a federal judge ruled the warrantless wiretapping conducted by the National Security Agency to be illegal."
Let's remember that Bush and Kerry, opponents in the 2004 election, were both Skull and Bones. The oligarchy keeps you all distracted with left vs. right politics.
Earlier I said that occasionally you make some sense. I retract that comment. Your comments above not only make zero sense (eg communism is both left and right), people who have mindsets like you are dangerous for America. It is people like you who have put this communist Obama in office, among other leftists. The are now succeeding in destroying America. Are you happy now?
The twisted sick lies of Liberalism have done a number on Stacey.
And God Bless her, she votes.
My children's future is slipping away because of Stacey and those like her.
Stacey, please, for the sake of our kids, PLEASE grow up. Liberalism destroys everything it touches.
Please, read everything that Robin of Berkeley has written on American Thinker. She was a hardened Leftist until just about two years ago, when she FINALLY saw the light. I love how she explains how it happened, and how much happier and SANE she is now that she is a conservative. What could you lose by reading what she has learned?
Thanks for taking this one on! I too am happy you vote!!
Unfortunately, we all know that "Pleasanton Mom" and her God blessed "small band of patriots", the only "true Americans", won't be satisfied until the Tea Party Nation has taken over the government and put in place a single political party. A political party that ensures every elected politician professes their allegiance to the Tea Party Nation political philosophy, the original Constitution sans all those nasty Liberal amendments, and a specific theology. Talk about an oligarchy! If that ever happens I hope she likes it, because without the 19th Amendment she won't be voting for any changes.
I don't know, in looking on the posts on this thread, it hardly appears that Stacey is the type to fall victim to the sick, twisted lies of anyone. She knows her stuff because she researches, and thinks, and analyzes, and explains, and avoids hyperbole.
Stacey and Rae, thanks for your contributions. My childrens' futures are brighter because of thoughtful citizens - and voters - such as yourselves.
And then of course there's, "SQUAAAAK.AMERICAN THINKER.SQUAAAAAAK."
I especially love the "happier and SANE" conservative comment. As though sanity is somehow defined by your political views. Hilarious.
n. One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.
Pleasanton Mom, your crusade against the scourge of liberalism has earned you the title of Ptown's number one bigot.
Would you put Stalin and Gandhi in the same boat? Does Pinochet belong in the same room with Milton Friedman?
That's what happens when you reduce complexity to simplistic "right vs. left" arguments.
Why would I read someone like Robin of Berkeley? Do you think I'm a "hardened leftist" that needs to "see the light"? Do you think that I would identify with her and therefore become convinced? Sorry, but I don't make the mistake of placing myself into one particular political ideology, as apparently Robin of Berkeley has done and as you have done.
Dear Kay, PM for (un)Truth, Stacey, etc...
You just don't get it. Pleasanton Mom is reaching out to those who do not see the enormous catastrophe barreling at you, at her, at all of us and all of ordinary Americans. This catastrophe is Obama's deliberate destruction of the American economy, of our standard of living, of our national defense, of America as we know it.
And you mock her. She is the Paulette Revere and you snicker, laugh, mock.
You just don't get it. You are a sorry bunch of ignorant leftists. I wish I could see your faces when the locomotive hits you squarely head-on, when either your family's jobs are eliminated, when your taxes become so overbearing that you cannot dig out.
Or worse. And worse is what I am envisioning.
I envision the civil unrest on a mass scale. The first evidence will be in certain pockets of America where there will be food shortages in grocery stores. People will start hoarding. Then food will become scarce. This may happen here in our own backyard.
Let me ask you all...how much food storage do you all have in your homes? How long will it last? A week, two weeks, longer? My guess is not much longer than two weeks. You'll start to panic. This is by design care of Obama.
His objective is mass chaos. Mass panic. That is what he's been taught by Alinsky. That is part of the Cloward-Piven Strategy which Obama is following step by step. Haven't heard of the Cloward-Piven Strategy? Let me help you...Web Link
or since some of you turn your nose up at American Thinker, then here is another link...
Bottomline, Pleasanton Mom is screaming at those who thus far have chosen not to listen. We are headed off the cliff. I honestly don't know if we can turn this around. But I am sure trying...and so is PM...God love her.
For me, I don't know what we'll do. I have a 12 yr old child. I am not sleeping at night. It is because we have a President who hates America and is succeeding in dismantling it. We also have all three branches of Federal government aligned against ordinary Americans...without any checks and balances by the Republicans because they are in the minority.
If the Republicans don't have a significant wins next November where Obama's policies can be blocked, America as we knew it is done. So is the American Dream...burst by Obama and the Democrats.
Stacey is right. Look how both parties embraced the "too big to fail" doctrine, and still have done nothing to prevent it from happening again. Whoever said that Bush "went along with the Dems" and supported TARP had it half right. Bush didn't just go along with the Dems, he invented TARP in the first place. His administration dreamed it up and pushed it through congress. Henry Paulson's most recent job before joining the Bush Administration was CEO of Goldman Sachs. Goldman Sachs got a substantial bailout and also was able to sell much of its toxic bonds to AIG at face value using bailout money. Obama now has Tim Geithner to continue the doctrine. That crowd stays rich and we all pay the price.
Juan, Obama is not the end of the world as we know it. Get a grip. Take off your tin foil hat, and reason yourself away from those delusions of paranoid destruction with one question --- Why? Why would some one seek to destroy "the American economy, of our standard of living, of our national defense, of America as we know it." Alinsky? Cloward? Nobody, Juan, nobody. It is all in your worried, sad mind.
You have gone over the edge of reason, man. Crawl back, get some perspective, take a deep breath and get some professional help. No one is out to get you, not here in Ptown, not in DC.
Did I mention fear-inducing BS?
I think this is the part where I realize I don't belong hanging out in the same place where people like that hang out. Life is way to fricking short to spend two more seconds debating with that level of insanity.
I don't belong hanging out in the same place where people like that hang out. Life is way to fricking short
and in another thread
perhaps they have just grown tired of the infantile drivel presented daily
you seem to be getting at something here pm4t
Juan - one point to observe, and Michael Medved I think makes it well here Web Link , is that you could be right, but you could be wrong, and average Americans, whom we need on our side to take America in a better direction, tend to get scared off by strong rhetoric.
Moveon and the hard left know it isn't going to do them any good, with a majority in both houses of Congress and with the White House, to go out and protest the Afghan war. It is going to hurt their cause to push for single payer health care between now and November. We have to strategize and work on the message, because you know they are. That doesn't mean we have to move to the center, btw.
PM speaks the truth when she says liberalism destroys everything it touches! Take, for example, slavery--what a blow to conservatives abolition was! And look how it affected the economy of the entire southern region!
Other liberal disasters: the Voting Rights Act, the Civil Rights Act, womens' sufferage, Brown v the Board of Education, Medicare, Social Security--the list goes on and on!
I, for one, thank God (who blesses conservatives liberally) for upstanding conservative heroes of America, like Joe McCarthy, Richard Nixon, George Wallace, Sarah Palin, George W. Bush, Governor Faubus, Dan Quayle, Dick Cheney and all the rest!
The only good Democrat is a Dixiecrat!
You are so awesome, thank you.
Have you considered what the millions of Tea Party Pariots know that you don't know? What would ordinary people, grandparents, etc. to get off the couch, get out of our comfort zone and go out and protest? Are we all just a bunch of racists? Of course not, we have information that you are not getting.
You're only as good as the information you have. And it is by design that the mainstream media is censoring your information to keep you uninformed - much easier to trick an manipulate you into not recognizing the Obama administration stealing your country out from under your nose.
Kay, every day on Rush Limbaugh and Mark Levin, people with Russian accents are calling to plead with Americans to wake up an stop this far-left radical communist agenda. THEY KNOW WHAT IT MEANS! They've lived through it, and they escaped it.
Where I grew up, our next door neighbors were Russians, the husband watched as his brother was shot to death, they actually ESCAPED from Russia by foot, came through China and then through the Phillipines, it took them 8 years to get to California, they had to live in holes in the ground along the way, they gave birth to a baby along the way and the baby died, they would cry and cry telling us these stories.
Why would Russians be calling into radio talk shows if there wasn't a grave threat upon us? A threat that THEY RECOGNIZE. Are they just Racists? Hate Mongers? Fear Mongers?
Wake up Girl!
Please read this:
"I once was lost, but now am found; was blind, but now can see." - Robin of Berkeley, a Recovering Liberal.
March 25, 2010
It Was the Best of Times, It Was the Worst of Times
By Robin of Berkeley
When I woke up Monday morning, I felt like I had the world's worst hangover...though I hadn't drunk a thing.
I felt sick to my stomach and creeped out. No wonder: This is what happens when you look evil directly in the eye.
I have a young client, Laura, who is bombarded by this kind of darkness every day. As a white woman who snapped out of her trance when I did, she's besieged at college by white privilege/social justice diatribes.
Some days, Laura gets home at six and crawls into bed. She spaces out by watching TV late into the night.
But then she gets up in the morning and does it all over again.
I have that same temptation to get under the covers and never come out. Or guzzle down a bottle of good wine. Or flee to New Zealand.
I can get downright discouraged. That's when those disturbing thoughts emerge: "What's the point? Why bother to write essays and letters to the editors and read web sites and forward emails?"
But then the answer appears: Because I must.
Because Obama and Pelosi and all the President's thugs want us to run away with our tails between our legs. The Democrats are puffing themselves up and beating their chests like gorillas. They want us to give up. And that's exactly why we won't.
I recently read a book consisting of interviews with Bob Dylan. To my surprise, Dylan comes across as deeply religious and patriotic. I was particularly struck by this interchange:
The interviewer asked Dylan why he still produces an album and tours every year. Certainly, Dylan doesn't need the money.
Dylan responded simply, "I do it because years ago I made a promise to the Man upstairs."
That's the best answer I can think of for yanking the covers off every day. And for continuing to write and speak out, not knowing whether it makes a bit of difference.
Because our efforts are not ultimately for ourselves. They are for those who can't speak for themselves: the kids and and the disabled and the ailing...and especially for the Man upstairs.
I never in my life thought I'd be quoting Scripture, but here goes:
For once you were darkness, but now in the Lord you are light. Live as children of light -- for the fruit of the light is found in all that is good and right and true. Try to find out what is pleasing to the Lord. Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them."
-Ephesians 5: 8-11
These last two years have been for me the best of times and the worst of times. It's been the worst because... actually, I don't think I need to explain. The stink bomb that went off last Sunday says it all loud and clear. Our nation is in deep trouble.
But it's been the best of times for me because I've become a different person. No, maybe I've just become who I was supposed to be all along. "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind, but now can see."
It's been a magical ride, otherworldly, with amazing people coming into my life -- some who I met randomly on the streets, others I connected with through AT.
About a year ago, I sent the AT editor an article, "Letter of Amends," assuming he'd trash it along with hundreds of others.
He wrote me back an hour later that he was publishing it. It just so happens that he works in Berkeley, of all places; we met, and he's been my conservative mentor ever since.
I'm sure that there are countless other stories out there of light and grace and friendship amidst the wreckage.
Of course, I'd chuck my personal growth in a heartbeat if I could turn back the hands of time and undo the election of Obama. But like millions of Americans across this land, all I can do is roll out of bed and do my small bit to expose the "unfruitful works of darkness"...and keep doing it even if it seems impossible at times.
There's a story that I find intriguing about Suzuki Roshi, a beloved Zen teacher in the '60s.
Suzuki was giving a talk where he stated several times, Life is impossible."
A student asked, "If life is impossible, how do we do it?"
The teacher answered, "You do it every day."
Getting up and fighting for our country every day... to me, this is the only possible option during these dark and uncertain times.
A frequent AT contributor, Robin is a recovering liberal and a psychotherapist in Berkeley.
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YES and AMEN, PM! I love that Robin has the courage to speak up and tell the truthy story of a white woman's love of conservatism!
You lost all your credibility with me when you said you voted for Perot. You helped usher in Clinton by voting for Perot.
Secondly, you said conservatives need to be more "moderate" ??? !!! I have just one reactions for you...
If not for the loser McCain, we may not have this disaster and absolute Communist named Obama.
Pleasanton Mom, my mother is a Russian immigrant (via Japan) and so are my in-laws. Your characterization of Russians as all thinking that Obama is promoting communism in the USA is misguided in the least and extremely offensive.
What I also find offensive is the fact that my younger brother who has Down's syndrome is able to get health insurance (though he pays his premiums out of his small paycheck) only if it includes a rider that states the insurance company will only reimburse expenses for illness unrelated to his diagnosis. Somehow they find a way to deny virtually every potential coverage, causing hours of appeals where only about 50% of the time do they finally pay. Though he is very high functioning, he needs constant help around these charges and appeals.
Are you of the opinion that this is fair to him in any way? What did previous administrations do for people like him?
In the end, in spite of the vicious back and forth from those convinced that they can see the future and it looks suspiciously like what the extremist of the moment that they worship foretells, we have no idea what the outcome will be. But, I'm ready for a system where everyone has access to meaningful care and I don't care if my premiums are increased in order to ensure those who have limited access now receive a fair share.
Government-run healthcare is not, and never will be meaningful care.
I understand that insurance reforms are needed. This Government TAKEOVER was not the answer, and will result in a significant worsening of care to everyone, and in particular worse care for people who are already sick, disabled, old, etc.
This Government is NOT your friend.
McCain had my vote in 2004. In 2008 he moved more to the right to appease the more extreme on that end. And his biggest mistake was Palin.
I tried to read some of Robin of Berkeley's stuff last night. It was non-intellectual drivel. That person appears to have "seen the light" only because they had so wildly swung in one direction and, as is the nature with swings, they move wildly to the other direction. When you're on a swing, you go back and forth. Get off the swing.
Here's Robin's first post in where she "makes amends" for being liberal: Web Link
"To my brother in law, Sam, for blasting you in that Chinese restaurant for voting for Reagan, mea culpa.
To my cousin Joe for calling you a traitor when you became an MBA, started holding a real job (as opposed to most of us Berkeley types who are psychotherapists, massage therapists and aromatherapists), and became a conservative, my bad.
To my goddaughter whom I told when she was l0 years old that Republicans were bad, Democrats were good (yes I really did say this), and who got confused and tearful because she lives in a suburb where most people are Republicans, kid, what in the world was I thinking?
To my leftist friends, with whom I agreed that 9/ll was the US's fault, you and I were all such jerks.
To those potential friends whom I dumped when I found out you were conservative, your gain is my loss."
Here's Robin's latest post: Web Link
"When I see what Obama is doing to this country, how he is treating its citizens, I'm reminded of the man who mugged me. I think that both are constitutionally incapable of seeing our humanity. And each day that Obama is in office, he communicates this same deadly message to the masses -- that opponents are not human."
Or in other words, she was an *ss when she was a liberal and replacing left with right philosophy didn't make her any less an *ss.
Robin of Berkeley probably now dumps potential friends because they're liberal, tells children with parents who are Democrats that Democrats are bad and Republicans are good, and blasts her family and friends who voted for Obama.
That corroborates my belief that you are far left. "Palin was McCain's problem???"!!! She was the only thing keeping him afloat!!!
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Pleasanton Mom, my job involves working with seniors with significant health issues and assisting public policy staff who work tirelessly to try to help influence legislation that will protect their right to receive adequate health care, among other things. My own brother, because he has Down's Syndrome, is at extremely high risk for developing Alzheimer's Disease at a (relative to others) young age.
The arrogance you exhibit by assuming that you have figured something out in the new health care system via your worship of conservative extremists that my colleagues and my family have not been smart enough to understand is beyond comprehension. In every area of my life, I have to live the current system and understand the new directives.
I am not under the impression that the new system is going to be perfect - there is much work to do. My sincere question remains: with 8 years in office, what did President Bush accomplish to help people like my brother or the seniors I deal with at work receive adequate health care? Rather than recede to your mantra re: Obama as the devil incarnate and all liberals being idiots, please respond to the question. If I am missing some wonderful system that Bush created that helped the families I deal with at work or my brother, I would love to know what that is.
What is with your mindset and the mindset of most other democrats where you automatically ask "What is the government doing about problem x, y, z...???
I have a problem with crabgrass. So WHAT HAS BUSH done about my CRABGRASS???!!! I think OBAMA should come to help me solve my crabgrass problem!!!!
Have you ever thought that one of the best things a President can do is STAY THE HELL AWAY from the problem...and let the marvelous private sector handle it???
Our government fouls up just about everything it touches...except for national defense. Why do you have such a kneejerk mentality that the government should be the answer to EVERYTHING!!! That is called cradle to grave communism!
HA. Like they stayed away from the securities investment sector and let AIG, Goldman, and Morgan Stanley fail without government assistance. Oh wait, looks like they needed the government to spend $2.5 trillion to bail those guys out.
Sarah Palin is a disaster. She pretends to be a conservative but supports the TARP bailouts.
Juan - I do not equate your crabgrass problem with health care. Last I checked, no one has died from problems with their crabgrass. If I am mistaken, please, do tell.
Are you of the impression that the private sector has done an adequate job with health care and there is no need for a change to protect those without adequate coverage? If so, how lucky you must be that no one in your life has been consistently denied coverage.
Where did you get the impression that I think the government is the answer to EVERYTHING, as you state? Please, enlighten me as to where I made such a broad statement.
I assure you, if there is something with the current system that you were smart enough to figure out, the rest of us would have understood the issue many paces ahead of you.
Do you have any idea which organization denies more services than any other? The fed thru Medicare and Medicaid. The fed is the worst in providing services... and btw: it is bankrupt. What is obama's plan to pay for these programs? Heathcare in America Needs change, yes, but the change needed is for the fed to get the hell out of the way. They are the problem... NOT the solution.
Do you know what Obamacare will provide for seniors? Death panels, rationing, and meds for euthanasia. (Oh yes, they are the party of "compassion" !!! Just the opposite. They are the party of Death).
Sarah Palin is a joke. How can she claim to be conservative when all she wants to do is redistribute wealth? Just bailout the wealthiest people when they screw up, as long as the make campaign donations. Make sure not to regulate them. Just bail them out.
Sarah Palin. Socialist. Wealth redistributer.
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I am not a Sarah palin fan but she is a whole lot more competent than Nancy windmills Mc Nerney
Juan, I can't tell if you are serious or not. I thought even the most gullible of the gullible gave up on the death panel hype. You do realize that the language included in the current plan has long been part of Medicare coverage already, contributed by a Republican - right? This offers recipients of this coverage the opportunity to receive palliative care rather than prolong a painful death experience. Perhaps you can google the term "hospice" and educate yourself this fine Easter morning. You also know that health care has always been rationed, and for some, completely non-existent - you haven't missed that, health care guru that you are, I'm sure.
The reality is that you have no idea what you are talking about. The free market has done nothing to ensure access to health care and neither has any previous administration.
I do notice that PMom hasn't responded to my question above re: what the Bush (or any other) administration did to create access to people like my brother. I don't raise the issue as a challenge - I'm truly curious given that the free market clearly didn't work, and that the previous administration didn't attempt to create a system for all citizens. How long should we wait for change?
Looks like the majority of Californian's approve the new system. I'm not surprised. Most understand the pitfalls in the status quo and are ready for change.
Juan said to me - you said conservatives need to be more "moderate"
Juan - that is not what I said, and if you read to the end of my comment I said "That doesn't mean we have to move to the center, btw."
I added that on purpose because I knew how my comments could be interpreted. It is always about the message.
If you want to go back to 92 and Perot, he got 20% of the vote as a third party, and why? He had a more conservative message than Bush 41. Bush raised taxes despite "read my lips", for bloody sakes Bush lost New Hampshire to Pat freakin Buchanan.
Perot got the reform party rolling. If you look at the Reform Party history, they were, in many ways, the forerunner to the Tea Party.
The Republicans, desperate in 1996, made a deal with the devil, they ran Dole and agreed with Dems to exclude Perot from the debates, despite that he had received 1 of 5 votes in the previous go round!
The two party system ugliness and corruption has only gotten worse since then. The two parties in the state they are in today, cannot govern in the best interest of the people.
In case you didn't notice, or noticed but cannot be honest enough to admit it, because of stinking DEMOCRATS, there has NEVER been a true free-market system in healthcare! The Democrats will NOT vote to authorize free market competition between insurance providers across state lines. This, coupled with the DEMOCRATS not voting for TORT REFORM plus other provisions...will not allow the true free market to operate to improve quality and lower costs as it does with EVERY OTHER service or commodity. (you are one ignorant, stubborn leftist --- which by the way is redundant)
Excerpt from article attached: "Yet, despite the striking evidence of tort reform benefits in the nation's second most populous state, this simple, basic and essential component of health care reform is completely missing from all Democrat proposals.
According to opensecrets.org, Democrats received over $178,000,000 from lawyers' donations during the 2008 election cycle -- three times what they donated to Republicans. Over $43,000,000 of that went to the Obama campaign.
Forty-three million reasons why Obamacare doesn't include the one component of health care reform that has been proven to work: tort reform."
Health care reform that actually works!
Hey Pleasanton Mom, here's a link to an article for you. Unlike much of what I've seen posted here, this isn't by some right-wing "entertainer" whose ratings depend on stoking fears and creating hysteria. For that reason, I'm sure you'll reject it, but I'm not giving up on you yet, it may still be possible to bring you back from the dark side:
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