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Original post made by Bill on Mar 27, 2010

What are the differences between the ideals of the Democrat party today and Communism? I honestly see no difference.

Please help me understand. (Janna...I am especially interested in your response, if you care to provide it.)

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Comments (31)

Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore
on Mar 27, 2010 at 4:48 pm

The difference between Democratic ideals and Communish is: Web Link

i hope this helps billy goat...tee hee hee, tee hee hee...


Posted by Warning, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 27, 2010 at 4:50 pm

I would seriously advise against taking the bait on this question. Why on earth should any Democrat feel they need to differentiate their party platform from that of Communism? The parallels do not exist - Bill is trying to create their existence through this question. Bill, your story has no legs.
To life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness!


Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore
on Mar 27, 2010 at 4:53 pm

What is the difference between Republican ideals and BAD VIBES?


Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore
on Mar 27, 2010 at 4:56 pm

What's the difference between Bill and a Troll?


Posted by Bill, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 27, 2010 at 5:08 pm

To Warning,
Sorry, I promise that I will not criticize anyone's character on this thread. I really do not understand where today's democrats draw the line between what Obama is doing, what direction he is taking us, what his ideals are...compared to communism.

Sorry to be so blunt.

But please...I am open to hearing you and will not attack anyone's character here (even Cholo's!)


Posted by Communist, a resident of another community
on Mar 27, 2010 at 5:08 pm

Communism seems to be doing OK without any help from the Democrats. Let's see, more than a decade of 10+ percent economic growth, second biggest economy in the world (soon to become first), manufacturing economy growing faster than other country in the world, all in communist China. How are things in your wonderful capitalist country? Not doing so well I hear. Well at least you are on the right track.


Posted by Sandy, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 27, 2010 at 8:26 pm

one important difference -- private property.


Posted by God bless Bill and PM, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 27, 2010 at 8:41 pm

If Bill wants to engage into a debate, he needs to state his premise other than to simply say he sees no difference in ideals. Maybe he is stupid and can't understand differences that are obvious to most of us. For me, I see differences between Republicans and feudal lords of old Europe. The feudal lords regarded the majority population as simply peasants to pay them homage while Republicans regard the majority as fodder to be gamed by moneyed special interests, who are usually Republicans.


Posted by Bill, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 27, 2010 at 8:44 pm

Sandy,
Can you please explain? The Obama democrats are vehemently against people retaining their private property. Americans' private property rights are being taken by the government thru eminent domain all the time. Also, our capital (i.e. property) is being taxed more and more to where it is becoming a disincentive to own more capital. I could come up with other examples by doing more research but anyone doing their own independent research will likely conclude that the Obama Democrats are not a friend of private property rights.


Posted by Bill, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 27, 2010 at 9:09 pm

Sandy...here are but two specific HUGE examples why Americans should be concerned about the Obama Democrats and their position against private property rights.

article >>> Web Link

1. EDITORIAL: Sotomayor's bias against private property
Approving 'extortion' through eminent domain

If you thought Judge Sonia Sotomayor's controversial stances on racial issues were problematic, you should get a gander at the Supreme Court nominee's apparent hostility to property rights.

Judge Sotomayor served as the senior judge on one 2006 case, Didden v. Village of Port Chester, which respected University of Chicago law professor Richard Epstein described as "about as naked an abuse of government power as could be imagined." Her judicial panel's ruling might be the worst violation of property rights ever approved by a federal appeals court. It is part of a pattern of Judge Sotomayor's pro-government rulings that run roughshod over the most basic of private property rights.

In the Didden ruling, as in the Supreme Court's infamous Kelo v. New London decision, the government used its constitutionally limited power of "eminent domain" to force one private owner to turn over land (for a fee) to give it to a private developer. Yet the Didden case was even worse than the Kelo one. When the town of New London, Conn., took Susette Kelo's home - a rank injustice - the town at least did so after public hearings. The Village of Port Chester, N.Y., took Bart Didden's land without a public hearing.


2. At least 13.5 million acres are already on Obama's Department of Interior's real estate shopping list.

Americans should be wary of any plans a president has to seize land from the states without their consent. Any new plans to take away states' freedom to use land as they see fit must be stopped.

article >>>
Web Link

Bottomline...The Obama Democrats are taking away our property rights at an alarming rate.



Posted by Bill, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 27, 2010 at 9:18 pm

To "God Bless..."
Ok...I'll concede. You stated..."Maybe he is stupid and can't understand differences that are obvious to most of us." Guess I am stupid or ignorant.

Please illuminate me. Name even a couple things that are "obvious" to you regarding the differences between today's Obama democrat vs. communism.

I am waiting.

PS...I provided reasons above why Sandy's "private property" comment should be ruled out as difference.


Posted by Marx and Spencer, a resident of Ridgeview Commons
on Mar 27, 2010 at 9:24 pm

So let me see, Bill trolls for a defense against the absurd suggestion that the Democratic party is the same as the Communist party, but no falls for it. So instead, he pastes the article he was going to use anyway, as if he's actually responding to a post.

Doesn't look like this really was a sincere question after all.

Bill, don't you see that no one is taking your trolling seriously?


Posted by Bill, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 27, 2010 at 9:29 pm

I regard the lack of many people providing distinct differences between the Obama democrats and communist ideals as an admission that there are very few, if any, differences.

Why don't you channel your energy in trying to discredit me with concrete examples instead. I am trying to conduct a civil conversation here. And no, I was not going to use the above article until I saw that one person...Sandy...suggested that the Obama admin was "friendly" to private property rights.

Please...I am still waiting for other examples of the differences. I am truly trying to learn.


Posted by Communist, a resident of another community
on Mar 27, 2010 at 10:10 pm

I'm saying it is a good thing if they are just like Communists. China sure seems to be doing OK with it. How's that Capitalism working out for you over there?


Posted by j, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 27, 2010 at 10:37 pm

Warning is right. Bill's apples/oranges routine here is a set-up for a pedantic response, which he has already partially offered in his links. Why don't you simply post links, or cut/paste like PM, with the various anti-Obama opinions you want to proffer as your own, and let the readers respond, rather than act out the role of provocateur here?

Be honest with your intentions, Bill.


Posted by Bill, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 27, 2010 at 10:44 pm

No one, other than Sandy (thank you Sandy) has even offered any suggestions of the differences between today's democrat...and the ideals of communism.

i say they have the very same ideals.

thank you again, sandy, for offering one difference...even tho I provided evidence that this is wrong.


Posted by Cletus, a resident of Avila
on Mar 28, 2010 at 6:22 am

Well it looks like me, Bill and Skunk Pa be the only ones who be a-readin' these important storeys! Did you city slickin' varmints even read it? It was done wrote by a Republican senator, so's I knows I kin trust it! 'Sides, why would a Republican patriot hero EVER write an opinion piece what tried to make a Dumocrat look bad? Hecks, sometimes I think ol' George W. Bush wuz the only president who ever tol' the truth! Whut's all this forcin' me to take my babies--even Chuckie Sue what got the possum bites--to get health care? Shoot, in MY opinion, if the president's gonna spend all that money, we should at least be overseas killin' the ungodly, not takin' care of Americans!


Posted by Bill, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 28, 2010 at 8:35 am

For you Howard Stern fans, Stern says he was a democrat and voted for Obama and the rest. But apparently even he has seen the light. In this very short videoclip below, he states that the democrats are communist and he'll never vote democrat again.

clip >>> Web Link


Posted by $3 Bill, a resident of Laguna Vista
on Mar 28, 2010 at 8:41 am

Thanks Bill--and there everyone was saying you didn't have a sense of humor!

I heard the Grinch has vowed never to vote Democrat, too!


Posted by Sharon, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 28, 2010 at 8:48 am

Ah, Howard Stern - certainly the voice of reason.

Bill, I won't respond because the nature of your question is unnecessarily inflammatory and I don't want to continue to perpetuate the rift. Both sides of this debate can find "evidence" through inflated media that supports their agenda, but it doesn't help (I would have avoided Howard Stern - conservatives can have him...and how proud you must be).

I would avoid gracing this question with a considered response, just as I would avoid what looks to me as a rebuttal in the form of a question on the difference between republicans and child molesters. No reason to perpetuate this type of conflict.


Posted by Bill, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 28, 2010 at 8:52 am

Dear $3Bill, (Creative name).

Please tell me...at what point do you think there is too much governmental intervention into your life? When will you say "enough" government intervention...and that it has gone too far? Give me an example where they've gone too far in controlling your life and the life of your family.




Posted by $3 Bill, a resident of Laguna Vista
on Mar 28, 2010 at 9:04 am

Great question, Bill, and I thank you for asking.

I said "enough" when our former president lied about WMDs in order to commit the US to his own personal war and ignore Bin Laden, who remains free to this day because of it.

I thought there was too much government intervention into my life when Bush authorized spying on American citizens, illegal wiretaps, and the Patriot Act.

I think the government went too far when they authorized torturing prisoners.

In short, when Bush abandoned the ideals that make America great in order to protect America from those who sought to trample those ideals.


Posted by Bill, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 28, 2010 at 10:10 am

$Bill,
Thanks for your constructive thoughts. I do understand that these are legitimate concerns and many people have these same opinions.

Regarding WMD...
1. Many in congress (Kerry, Clinton, as well as Heads of other Nations also believed that Saddam had these.

2. Something the MSM never reported on...in a book entitled "Saddam's Secrets" written by Saddam's top general and ace fighter pilot -- General Georges Sada -- who became Saddam's vice marshal in his military, Sada exposes Saddam's plans to destroy Israel, hide WMDs and control the Arab world. (Sada had a change of heart and turned against Saddam) >>> Web Link

In this book, Sada, spells out that Saddam had all kinds of WMDs but when Syria had a devastating earthquake, Saddam used this as an opportunity to hide them. He transported his WMDs by all types of disguised vehicles (e.g. ambulances, gutted out planes that contained WMDs, and other means of transport) and sent them to Syria under that guise that they were providing "aid" to earthquake victims.

Remember this info is coming from Saddam's close confident, General Georges Sada, who should know. For the life of me, I do not know why this info has not been reported.

Now back to your other comments...I would be interested to hear more of your ideas in your last statement "... ideals that make America great..." Please provide more info here...what ideals are you referring to...and how Obama is preserving these ideals.

Advanced thanks,


Posted by Tracy, a resident of Birdland
on Mar 28, 2010 at 11:49 am

It doesn't matter who/how many in congress believed in WMD - it was Bush's responsibility to analyze the data and decide whether to trust the messenger, then make the decision on whether to act.

Sharon is right - you can choose to believe what you wish and inflate your "truth" accordingly. Bill, your comment: "For the life of me, I do not know why this info has not been reported." Speaks volumes. If Sada was considered a reliable informant by military intelligence, I'm sure it would be more mainstream "knowledge".


Posted by Bill, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 28, 2010 at 11:57 am

Tracy,
Oh? You mean it would have been reported by MSM just like they questioned Obama about his Alinsky, Bill Ayres, Rev. Wright, alliances (which they never covered until the alternative media uncovered it?

You have a great deal of trust in government controlled media. I submit that you are allowing yourself to be unduly influenced by the MSM.


Posted by $3 Bill, a resident of Laguna Vista
on Mar 28, 2010 at 1:07 pm

"government controlled media"?!?

This is the reason you struggle to find people willing to try to engage you in serious discussion. You seem to have swallowed every conspiracy theory out there.

No one takes a tinfoil-hat-wearing man seriously.


Posted by Warning, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 28, 2010 at 1:15 pm

Bill sounds suspiciously like Pleasanton Mom. Not that it matters, since neither sounds like they live in the real world.


Posted by Communist, a resident of another community
on Mar 28, 2010 at 1:16 pm

In China we have government controlled media, 10+ percent annual GDP growth, low unemployment, advanced manufacturing, engineering and science. We even have a real manned spaced program, not some cancelled space shuttle thing. Your country owes us trillions of dollars in debt. We may come asking before too long. Tell me again, Bill, what is so bad about communism and so good about capitalism?


Posted by Outdoorsy, a resident of Stoneridge
on Mar 28, 2010 at 8:38 pm

Speaking of private property rights, have you seen what the federal government usually does with their "land grabs"? They make them into national parks for all of us to use. People like some of the posters on here would have built condos on the rim of the Grand Canyon. I am all for preserving as much of what remains of unspoiled wilderness as possible. Watch Ken Burns's series America's Greatest Idea--The National Parks and perhaps you might appreciate how the federal government acts to preserve parkland from those that really want to "land grab" for their greedy selves! Thank you, John Muir and Teddy Roosevelt!


Posted by cna training, a resident of Ridgeview Commons
on Mar 29, 2010 at 6:35 pm

Great information! I've been looking for something like this for a while now. Thanks!


Posted by Repleasnacrat, a resident of Stoneridge
on Mar 30, 2010 at 9:03 am

My dear Communist, please tell us how long you have experienced that 10% GDP growth!(what do you mean years...I want decades, no, make it centries) How long have you experienced this manned space program? (Tell us about your launch failure rate!) Please tells more about your consumption based economic model?(Is this from a chapter of the "Central Committee Planning Manual") How many of these economic cycles have you experienced in the last two hundred and forty years? Tell us more about your infrastructure! Oh, and don't forget to tell us about ALL the US students that emigrate to your country for you wonder education system and lovely neighborhoods! Do I really need to continue.....it is fairly obvious that YOU have never been to China. Don't get me wrong, they are great people that through hard work, and through perseverance are achieving CAPITALISM over COMMUNISM at a break neck speed! But, they have never experienced a speed bump in the race track to capitalism. And like the US, when you take a turn on the track at 180mph and hit the speed bump....you have the current economic situation. Is it the end of Capitalism, I think not. How old are you commie...22? As an American for the last 50 years I welcome another peaceful, wealthy super power that can help alleviate some of the US's burden of making this planet a better place. But in your lifetime you will see communism fade from the Chinese economic model.


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