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What Doctors and Patients Have to Lose Under ObamaCare

Original post made by Pleasanton Mom, Birdland, on Mar 20, 2010

Obamacare will give the Feds control of surgical decisions. Primary-care doctors who refer patients to specialists will face financial penalties under the plan.

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Posted by Please stop sounding so ignorant
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 20, 2010 at 10:29 am

Pleasanton Mom:

If you want to be taken seriously, you should not call it Obamacare. I am an independent and find all those who talk about Obamacare (yes, Rush included) a bunch of ignorant fanatics.

If you want to influence people, the first thing you need to do is stop: calling health care reform Obamacare, stop denying that global warming is real, stop questioning Obama's US citizenship, stop saying you don't want government run healthcare while at the same time defending Medicare (who do you think runs that?)


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Posted by Pleasanton Mom
a resident of Birdland
on Mar 20, 2010 at 10:36 am

That wasn't my terminology. It was the actual title of the published article.

Personally, I don't call it Obamacare. I call it what it really is: Government Takeover of Healthcare.


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Posted by Please stop sounding so ignorant
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 20, 2010 at 11:06 am

Pleasanton Mom:

But when you post something that talks about Obamacare, you lose credibility even if it not something you wrote.

I do not like the healthcare "reform" and have called my representatives to express my wish that they vote no on it.

However, I think that even if the GOP may have valid points about why this reform is not a smart move and it will hurt rather than help, the way to influence others is to do so with facts.

I looked at Rush's website, and boy, that guy knows who his audience is and how to make money. Unfortunately, the people who actually believe the nonsense Rush talks about are the same people that had a lot to do with Obama being elected. Yes, they are the ones who pressured the GOP into choosing someone like Palin as the VP choice - just to rally the right wing base.

Influence others by sounding smart, not by quoting articles that call healthcare Obamacare.


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Posted by RN
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 20, 2010 at 11:10 am

To those who support this bill........

I have dedicated, w/ a real passion, 35 years of my life in health care as a critical care RN. I still work 40hrs/week. This bill is not about health.....not about care. If it was not soooooo sad, I'd love to be around when those of you who support this actually get impacted w/ the consequences of this bill. Not just you, but when you experience how your family (yes the elderly, your parents) are impacted, maybe then you will understand. But perhaps, not. Your ideology obscures the realities we are about to experience.

But I do know this for sure about those who support THIS bill: you will be the first and the loudest complaining to me about the lower standard of care you and your loved ones are receiving. But since me, as your patient advocate and your MD, as the director of your care, will now be working for the government, (vs for you) our jobs, sadly, will become much easier. Your government run health care will now determine your plan of care.

You may say "its that way now w/ the insurance companies. WRONG.

As an RN, my primary job is to advocate for the patient and family. Make sure they get what is considered safe health care.

Who will I go to when this bill passes to assure that you get what you need? The MD? He will have no more authority then that the government grants him. His process will no longer involve critical thinking to serve your best interest, but rather a list of what he is allowed to do.

It will begin gradually, and like all incurable diseases, it will eventually kill the very life of our health care delivery system.

If you think I am exaggerating, just remember "I told you so". If you think I am trying to scare you, then how could I have dedicated 35 yrs of my life going above and beyond to assure good, quality care and now want to scare the very people I have tried to serve. I am only grateful that those 35yrs were spent under the current system.

My RN role to fight your battles to assure good, safe care, will cease to exist and the MD's hands will be tied to authorize what is in the best interest of you or your loved one. You will see fewer diagnostics (or less timely ones). Without a diagnosis,or a timely one, then treatment does not need to be implemented. Enter stage right, ration care.

And to those of you who will complain first and the loudest....... Be prepared now to hear: " Take it up w/ your government run health care NON LICENSED representative. 1-800 etc"

Frankly, the time to help you was now....but it seems too late...you let your ideologue or your politics get in the way.

Now, like any "bad" or "wrong" medicine, you will experience the side effects. Unfortunately, you pulled all of us, the delivers of health care and the receivers of health care, down with you.

RIP


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Posted by Please stop sounding so ignorant
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 20, 2010 at 11:23 am

"Who will I go to when this bill passes to assure that you get what you need? The MD? He will have no more authority then that the government grants him. His process will no longer involve critical thinking to serve your best interest, but rather a list of what he is allowed to do."

RN:

There are many problems with the healthcare bill: cost is the main one, but there are other serious problems like what to do about illegals, more taxes to keep Medicare intact, etc.

However, the argument you make is not quite right. Look, even right now my PPO which is a great insurance plan has restrictions. I have to go to an in-network doctor or be subject to out of network fees (which can get pretty big), I have to ask for approval for certain procedures.

Yes, under the government, this would all be lost with the first incompetent person that gets a hold of my file. My point is, the restrictions for healthcare (death panels as some in the GOP refer to them) already exist, but just in a different form.

I do not like the Health care bill, and even if we need some sort of reform, we cannot do it now because the economy is pretty bad and we have too much debt.

Reform needs to be done in a smart way, and it needs to wait until we are no longer in a recession.


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Posted by can't believe
a resident of Apperson Ridge
on Mar 20, 2010 at 11:30 am

To pleasanton Mom who says: " stop saying you don't want government run health care while at the same time defending Medicare (who do you think runs that?"

We have seen the consequences of MEDICARE and the VA for that matter. We don't need to CREATE yet another failing GOV RUN program.

I can defend Medicare and at the SAME TIME SAY: DON'T CREATE ANYMORE GOV RUN HEALTH CARE!

chew gum and walk lately?







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Posted by RN
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 20, 2010 at 12:22 pm

To Please stop:

I totally agree w/ you on the issues re: cost, illegals, medicare, increment steps to strengthen our health care delivery however re: your statement below I'd like to respond.

Please note my rationale was "right" on for INPATIENT care. The acuity of a patient's health care needs are far more critical IN-HOUSE then they are as an outpatient. And IN-patient is where you are going to see the first big hit to quality.

You said: "I have to go to an in-network doctor or be subject to out of network fees (which can get pretty big), I have to ask for approval for certain procedures."

Yes, as an OUTPATIENT you are the one fighting your own battles. And often that job requires time, effort and an understanding of the benefits and risks associated with getting "certain procedures". Which is why the more you know as the patient, the better it will serve you and your family.

However I'd suspect there are 2nd opinions within your PPO who might assist you w/ that fight. But even if that 2nd opinion failed to secure you what you needed, then yes, YOU might have to pay out of pocket, if in fact you felt certain the procedures were necessary. But at least you would access to that "certain procedure"

Restrictions do exist within our current system. But access to those "procedures" or treatments are still available if one is willing to pay as you noted. Like anything, it has a cost.

This will not be the case w/ this new bill in the long term.

"Restrictions" that exist in its current form may look differently to many. But the process to get those "restrictions" removed simply will not exist, even if you wanted to pay out of pocket. So access, I guarantee you, will get even worse....In-patient first, then outpatient.

PS: Equally a threat to your health care, will be the quality of people going into the health care profession. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind, the brightest and best will not be drawn to the Health profession. This includes Physicians, RNs etc. anyone who needs a LICENSE. You will see, though, an increase in NON LICENSE people (SEIU) trying to compensate. Patient BEWARE.

Good luck and I do wish you good health..



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Posted by RN
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 20, 2010 at 1:17 pm

I forgot to mention that the revised draft of the bill which WILL BE VOTED ON TOMORROW has re-introduced the death panels.


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Posted by Pleasanton Mom
a resident of Birdland
on Mar 20, 2010 at 2:14 pm

Hi RN,

Death panels are consistent with Socialist Governments. But in the Bill it's called the Federal Coordinating Council for Comparative Effective Research. This new panel was already passed in the $787 Billion Stimulus bill.


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Posted by RN
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 20, 2010 at 2:18 pm

The post directly above this was not posted by me.
They" used my "RN" name and cited same "neighborhood"

The person who STOLE my RN "name" wrote this:

"I forgot to mention that the revised draft of the bill which WILL BE VOTED ON TOMORROW has re-introduced the death panels."

Like many in this health care debate, ethics and honesty has seem to slip by the wayside. Integrity even on a a post , is lost.

I did NOT write post : "the revised draft of the bill which WILL BE VOTED ON TOMORROW has re-introduced the death panels."

Like any SAFE RN, I will the 1st to say I have NO IDEA if that statement is accurate .

People do your own homework.

The real RN (not the imposture)




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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Mar 20, 2010 at 2:22 pm

I just heard an INSPIRING SPEECH by President Obama and I am confident that the reform is not only the best thing for our country but also for those who are here illegally. FINALLY, health will be available to US residents.

I think that the bill pass on Sunday...tomorrow!

HOORAY!


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