McNerny Shuts Down His E-Mail and Voicemail State, National, International, posted by Tracy J., a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Mar 19, 2010 at 7:51 pm
Once again our illustrious Congressman McNerney is tuning out his constituents. If you try to call his offices nobody answers and you can't leave a message (supposedly because his message box is full). You can't e-mail him through the House website because his e-mail has been turned off. How do you feel about a Congressman that makes himself as inaccessible as possible and does exactly what Pelosi tells him to do? Are you the least bit concerned that the current government in Washington is stuffing socialism down your throats and are so smug about it that they shut off the phones and the e-mail, and have phony virtual town halls that you also can't access?
Posted by Pleasanton Mom, a resident of the Birdland neighborhood, on Mar 19, 2010 at 8:06 pm
I attended the rally in front of McNerney's office this afternoon. My husband and I went into his office and filled out Opinion Forms. Wonder if he will ever see them?
You are definitely right, he is Pelosi's puppet.
And you are absolutely right that this healthcare bill is about killing the free market insurance companies, and replacing with single payer government run "hellthcare". It is a travesty and it is tyranny.
Thanks for doing your part to fight back. No one can do everything, but everyone can do something.
Posted by anti-stupid, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Mar 19, 2010 at 8:13 pm
there goes pleasanton mom with more sprinklings of stupid. Stupid here, stupid there...every word you type oozes stupid. Cuz, you know, the free market healthcare system has been such a boon for our society. I know my employer loves having to cough up 14k/year to provide my family health insurance. I don't mind the other 2400/year in premiums I kick in, not to mention deductibles, co-pays, etc. And for a family of 5, aside from checkups, not a single visit to the doctor yet. That's almost no healthcare cost incursions, yet the healthcare company stands to clear nearly 16-18k from me alone. Yeah, the free market, for-profit system is GREAT! It's not tyranny...it's not extortion....coming from someone who's shown time and again a complete inability to form anything closely resembling an informative or original thought, you referring to McNerney as a puppet of pelosi is the ultimate example of a pot calling a kettle black...
Posted by Your Boy, a resident of the Stoneridge neighborhood, on Mar 19, 2010 at 8:21 pm
@anti stupid: Bahahahah so damn right.
I'm perfectly fine with McNerney being Pelosi's puppet since the Democrats could use some unification instead of being a splintering party. Thank God he turned off his phone, probably because he's too tired of listening to people complaining. If anyone who was against bill is disappointed that he's shut down his phone and email they shouldve taken to the streets and protested. Thankfully the OFA outnumbered all the tea party clowns :)
Posted by Jane, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Mar 19, 2010 at 10:15 pm
Pleasanton Mom - I have to thank you for pushing me off the fence. I have been following your postings for months now, silently absorbing your thoughts and concerns. And I do greatly appreciate your passion for the public process, but it was your lack of coherent response in several postings on similar threads in the last few days that helped me decide.
I called McNerney's office this afternoon, spoke to a very nice staffer and voiced my opinion that he should support the HCR bill.
I am saddened that your thoughts and responses on these forums have declined into nothing short of paranoia. You could not answer specific questions about specific provisions in the bill, responding only that Glenn Beck said we are in danger of the government taking over "everything" and that the Democrats in power are some sort of evil cabal. Nonsense.
Please take a day off, collect your thoughts, and start posting again in the sane, rational tone you carried 4 months ago, before the radical right took over your keyboard.
Posted by Kelly, a resident of the Canyon Meadows neighborhood, on Mar 19, 2010 at 10:33 pm
I went there today and SURE ENOUGH, we witnessed his three cronies letting the phone ring off the hook. We could hear it, they turned it down and when we asked them why they were not picking up the phones, they lied and said they had a HUGE team answering the phones for the Congressman in the back room which is a COMPLETE lie because we looked in the back office and there was one union thugg leaving the office.
Yes, Jerry McNerney's office is full of LIES and refuses to take calls from constituents!
Posted by Rat Turd, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Mar 19, 2010 at 10:35 pm
He is done as are most of the people who support this bill. I would vote for anyone against him. Wasn't Valerie Arkin a big supporter of his? She needs to go also and also that socialist husband of hers as well.
Posted by Susie, a resident of the Country Fair neighborhood, on Mar 19, 2010 at 11:23 pm
There is no need for discussion as to how McNenery will vote--statistics show he has voted the same as Pelosi 97% of the time. His "indecisiveness" is only a ruse. Fortunately, we all will have a vote this November.
Posted by Pleasanton Mom for Truth, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Mar 19, 2010 at 11:50 pm
Considering that the rally was arranged by the Tea Party and on short notice response there was still one proponent of reform for every two planned protestors, the Tea Party movement and presence was quite underwhelming. I know this because I was there.
Posted by RN, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Mar 20, 2010 at 10:50 am
To those who support this bill........
I have dedicated, w/ a real passion, 35 years of my life in health care as a critical care RN. I still work 40hrs/week. This bill is not about health.....not about care. If it was not soooooo sad, I'd love to be around when those of you who support this actually get impacted w/ the consequences of this bill. Not just you, but when you experience how your family (yes the elderly, your parents) are impacted, maybe then you will understand. But perhaps, not. Your ideology obscures the realities we are about to experience.
But I do know this for sure about those who support THIS bill: you will be the first and the loudest complaining to me about the lower standard of care you and your loved ones are receiving. But since me, as your patient advocate and your MD, as the director of your care, will now be working for the government, (vs for you) our jobs, sadly, will become much easier. Your government run health care will now determine your plan of care.
You may say "its that way now w/ the insurance companies. WRONG.
As an RN, my primary job is to advocate for the patient and family. Make sure they get what is considered safe health care.
Who will I go to when this bill passes to assure that you get what you need? The MD? He will have no more authority then that the government grants him. His process will no longer involve critical thinking to serve your best interest, but rather a list of what he is allowed to do.
It will begin gradually, and like all incureable diseases, it will eventually kill the very life of our health care delivery system.
If you think I am exaggerating, just remember "I told you so". If you think I am trying to scare you, then how could I have dedicated 35 yrs of my life going above and beyond to assure good, quality care and now want to scare the very people I have tried to serve. I am only grateful that those 35yrs were spent under the current system.
My RN role to fight your battles to assure good, safe care, will cease to exist and the MD's hands will be tied to authorize what is in the best interest of you or your loved one. You will see fewer diagnostics (or less timely ones). Without a diagnosis,or a timely one, then treatment does not need to be implemented. Enter stage right, ration care.
And to those of you who will complain first and the loudest....... Be prepared now to hear: " Take it up w/ your government run health care NON LICENSED representative. 1-800 etc"
Frankly, the time to help you was now....but it seems too late...you let your ideologue or your politics get in the way.
Now, like any "bad" or "wrong" medicine, you will experience the side effects. Unfortunately, you pulled all of us, the delivers of health care and the receivers of health care, down with you.
Posted by Maybe?, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Mar 20, 2010 at 11:11 am
That may have to do with what happened yesterday. I received emails from the Obama folks about showing up to McNerney's office and if you could not make it, to call him and ask him to vote yes on the health care bill. Likewise, I received emails from the republicans who oppose it asking the same: show up to McNerney's office or call him to oppose the health care bill.
Posted by Pleasanton Mom, a resident of the Birdland neighborhood, on Mar 20, 2010 at 11:35 am
Thank you. Your explanation of what is to come is what I have been trying to explain for months. But I have been attacked and ridiculed by folks who are only familiar with the Democrat talking points.
I keep saying to myself, "they'll find out" that I was telling the truth the first time they are denied life-saving treatment, etc.
And I don't know why they won't believe the failure in Massachusetts. Yesterday, the Secretary of Treasury of Massachusetts, Tim Cahill (a former Democrat, now an Independent) said that if this Healthcare bill passes, it will bankrupt the country in just 4 years.
For me, all I need to know is the character of the people pushing the plan. They are not to be trusted. They detest us. They disrespect our Constitution.
One of the most callous of Obama's friends is Ezekiel Emanuel, Rahm's brother, who is shaping health care reform. A doctor, Zeke mocks the Hippocratic Oath!! He has created the Federal Coordinating Council of Comparative Effectiveness Research whose purpose is to rate the value of human life. These are things that Dr. Emanuel has written:
"Strict youngest-first allocation directs scarce resources predominantly to infants. This approach seems incorrect. The death of a 20-year-old woman is intuitively worse than that of a 2-month-old girl, even though the baby has had less life. The 20-year-old has a much more developed personality than the infant, and has drawn upon the investment of others to begin as-yet-unfulfilled projects. -Lancet, Vol 373, January 31, 2009 425,
(Can you imagine being the parents of that baby who wasn't considered valuable enough by the Government to save?)
Adolescents have received substantial substantial education and parental care, investments that will be wasted without a complete life. Infants, by contrast, have not yet received these investments.... It is terrible when an infant dies, but worse, most people think, when a three-year-old child dies, and worse still when an adolescent does."
-Lancet, Vol 373, January 31, 2009, 428
"Vague promises of savings from cutting waste, enhancing prevention and wellness, installing electronic medical records and improving quality are merely 'lipstick' cost control, more for show and public relations than for true change. Savings will require changing how doctors think about their patients. Doctors take the Hippocratic Oath too seriously, as an imperative to do everything for the patient regardless of the cost or effects on others."
-Health Affairs: The Policy Journal of the Health Sphere, 2008
"Every favor to a constituency should be linked to support for the health-care reform agenda. If the automakers want a bailout, then they and their suppliers have to agree to support and lobby for the administration's health-reform effort."
-Health Care Watch, November 2008
If these people control our health care, they control our very lives. If you are younger than 15, older than 40, you've got a problem. If you're younger than 2, or over 65, or mentally ill, or physically disabled, you've got an even bigger problem.
If you love someone who is over 65 or physically disabled and they contribute something important to your life, that won't count. Only if they pay taxes will their lives be rated as worthy.
RN, will you please consider pasting your response above into a new thread so more people can see it? Thank you for taking the time to try to help people understand.
Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore, on Mar 20, 2010 at 2:26 pm
I just watched an inspirational talk by Presiden Obama and I had the impression that health care reform will pass tomorrow! It's so exciting, after such a long debate, to know that the Senate & the House are finally happy and getting along! Puts a smile on my face!!!
This is wonderful for our country and I hope that all people that all residents in the US will finally be able to access care.
Now...who gonna pay...YOU ARE! tee hee hee, tee hee hee...YOU BETCHA!
Posted by RN, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Mar 20, 2010 at 2:29 pm
Dear Pleasanton Mom:
I will not paste my original comments to start a "new thread" as you requested. Here is why: I saw where someone posted a comment but hijacked my "name" and even used the same "neighborhood" to make it appear that I posted the comment.
I will not engage in dishonest conversations nor have my profession, which I value, represented by people other than myself.
Like I said, beware of those without a license! I earned the title of "RN" w/ 4 yrs of college, state boards and years of re-licensing fees and a consistently safe practice.
For someone, even in this causal forum. feel the need to USE ME in such a fashion to advance either side of the argument, tells me a bit about the audience this forum reaches.
Posted by Pleasanton Mom for Truth, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Mar 20, 2010 at 2:48 pm
With all due respect to your profession, your experience in the medical field as an RN does not qualify you to make the call on the overall impact of this healthcare reform bill, any more than an individual doctor, patient, or insurance administrator can determine what is best for everyone.
Please do try to keep your position in perspective.
Posted by RN, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Mar 20, 2010 at 5:37 pm
To Pls Mom for truth:
I appreciate your comments. And please know keeping "my position in "perspective is exercised daily as I attempt to care for patients and their families in a critical care unit. Many are on ventilators , unable to breath on their own, or manage their elimination needs.
Seeing patients in such a physiological crisis and families in a psychological crisis has taught me humility.
And I agree that I cannot determine what is "best for everyone" just like the most skilled cardiovascular surgeon cannot determine what is best for the brain trauma patient. One can only determine the best plan of care based on the population they were educated to serve. However both highly skilled physicians could agree on safe principals re: delivery of care.
My nursing judgment indeed "qualifies" me to make a "call" on the overall impact of this health care reform bill as it relates to the delivery of patient care. And without a doubt the safety and delivery of health care will be diminished when this bill becomes law. Its no bargain if the quality is not there.
And many of the doctors I work with share the same concerns( this includes radiologists too). So we are already seeing the impact the Gov run health care is having on the "delivery process". To cite just one example: Newly graduating doctors have so much student debt, they tend to go into surgical specialties because the Medicare reimbursements are such a problem, they can't sustain their practice. This leaves fewer primary care doctors.
I'd prefer to my trust in: 1) what my humble experience has taught me 2) in what I have validated looking at at objective data about this bill (again this bill is not about health and certainly not about care.) 3) and sharing both w/ other health professionals who truly have a "perspective" on how health care is delivered.
The LAST source I'd trust is the GOV. for myself or those I love. They already proven that "process" and "delivery" don't matter.
Posted by Pleasanton Mom for Truth, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Mar 20, 2010 at 7:09 pm
I'm assuming that in addition to physiological crisis, you have seen patients in psychological crisis as well - especially those without medical insurance to cover their ailments. I am eager for a system where people have access to coverage for preventative care, so that they don't wait until they reach a catastrophic level of disease before seeking treatment. When a person is ill, paying for treatment should be the last thing on their mind. Under our current system, that is not realistic for many people, and is becoming less realistic with time. In addition, the current system creates many inefficiences that add to the cost for those with insurance.
Medicare may have its problems, but you are comparing apples and oranges in trying to draw a parallel between what you claim to observe in terms of Medicare payment and the impact of the current healthcare reform bill.
Again, I have a great deal of respect for your profession, and have seen that nurses are the unsung heroes of the medical profession, in every area of treatment. I myself also know several nurses, and those with whom I have discussed the topic are indeed in favor of the proposed reform.
Posted by truth lingers, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Mar 20, 2010 at 8:07 pm
I one of your posts above you said this: "But since me, as your patient advocate and your MD, as the director of your care, will now be working for the government..." um, this exposes the stupid. You can lay claim to a 4 year degree, state boards, and years of experience, but if you think this or any other HCR plan will make you a direct employee of the government, then you're just plain dumb and everything you say has lost all credibility. At least get this basic point right. Or please just keep the stupid to yourself...and let me pray that i don't end up with you as a nurse...
Posted by RN, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Mar 20, 2010 at 9:08 pm
Dear PLS Mom for Truth:
I appreciate the consistent courtesy of your posts.
I know many nurses who support HCR, but few who support this current bill. Check out Rose DeMoro. She is head of CNA. (Ca nurses union) She wants to nationalize CNA for all nurses. When CNA touts "better patient care" you can be sure it has nothing to do with patients and very little to do w/ care. Its like most unions these days. Its about power.
I do support catastrophic coverage. In fact if HCR stuck w/ this one objective much good would of been achieved. In fact, is that not what insurance is all about? This current bill will make you purchase "things" that you could perhaps pay out of pocket. Is this not "inefficient" (to use your own word) use of health care dollars??
One of the primary goals of health refor (vs take over) should be to ensure that all Americans have health insurance. Yet it is generally overlooked that the proportion of Americans without health coverage has been relatively stable over time.
I recently read, per the Census Bureau, in 2008 the number of individuals in the United States lacking health coverage rose from 45.7 million to 46.3 million. The proportion of uninsured Americans remained virtually unchanged, rising from 15.3 percent to 15.4 percent
So Who Are the Uninsured? It is often assumed that the uninsured are all low-income families. But among households earning less than $25,000, the number of uninsured actually fell by about 12 percent over the past 10 years. The uninsured include diverse groups, each uninsured for a different reasons:
Immigrants. About 12.3 million foreign-born residents lack health coverage - accounting for 27 percent of the uninsured. In 2008, nearly 45 percent of foreign-born non-citizen residents were uninsured. Income may be a factor - but not the only one. A partial explanation for this disparity is that many immigrants come from cultures without a strong history of paying premiums for private health insurance. In addition, only immigrants who have been legal residents for more than five years qualify for public coverage.
The Young and Healthy. About 19 million 18-to-34-year olds are uninsured. Most of them are healthy and know they can pay incidental expenses out of pocket. Using hard-earned dollars to pay for health care they don't expect to need is a low priority for them.
Google the Lewin Group. ITs a a private health-care consulting firm. They say families earning more than $100,000 a year get four times as much tax relief as families earning $25,000. In other words, the biggest subsidy goes to those who least need it, and who probably would have purchased insurance anyway. With a uniform tax credit, low- and moderate-income families would get as much tax relief as the wealthy when they purchase health insurance. Thus reducing that "psychological crisis" we both are trying to protect.
Bottom line: the proportion of people without insurance coverage has changed little in recent years, but much can be done to reduce the number of uninsured. But this bill is NOT the answer. In fact this bill will create more "crisis" within the health care system.
A uniform tax credit like the one that has been proposed in the Patients' Choice Act of 2009, sponsored by Senator Tom Coburn and Representative Paul Ryan. Check it out if you want....but again....it may be too late....this bill will become law.
And hopefully you and those you love will continue to experience good health.
Posted by letsgo, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Mar 21, 2010 at 11:19 pm
Pls Mom for Truth - I'm confused...so RNs experience directly with the health care system for decades does not qualify her to make an assessment on the impact of the bill, yet our President with zero days of health care working (along with all of our representatives) know exactly what will happen.
Posted by Tracy J., a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Mar 22, 2010 at 8:57 am
Isn't it amazing that the only ones reporting they could get through to McNerney's office are also supporters of ObamaCare? Isn't that simply fascinating?
It's just like when McNerney had those phone townhall meetings. It was just amazing that registered Republicans could not get on the call -- just a recorded message from McNerney a half-hour later saying "we're sorry you didn't join us on the call". Simply fascinating.
Wake up America! Those 16,000 new IRS agents that are going to police compliance with ObamaCare are going to be "policing" a lot more than that. It's the beginning of Obama's Gestapo. And McNerney is foot soldier.
Posted by John, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Mar 22, 2010 at 10:32 am
I am a supporter of the Health Care Reform bill (which does not destroy insurance companies (what happened to what used to be non-profit insurance companies?), does not kill grandma, does not create a socialist state, does not destroy your freedom to choose a doctor, but nobody is listening to any of that).
Anyway, I also could not get through to any of Mr. McNerney's offices and was not at all surprised. The flood of telephone traffic was sure to clog the system. How many calls can your home answering machine save? His website hosted a poll on people's opinions. That was working. I think McNerney was mindful of the opinions of people in his district. If he voted the way you didn't want him to vote, that doesn't make you any more or less right on the issue, he made a choice, as do we all when we step into that voting booth.
There is no doubt that Richard Pombo would have voted lock-step, the toady of the Republican "NO" machine. Show me one Republican that votes against his party line, just one.
This isn't tyranny. This is democracy in action. The vote in the House was a VOTE, not the bugaboo of the Tea Party rants...
Posted by Sherry, a resident of the Ruby Hill neighborhood, on Mar 22, 2010 at 11:08 am
I am appalled at the submitters on this thread that have nothing better to do than to create havoc for an official that is busier than all of the haters put together. I called Mr. McNerney's office, left a message and was pleasantly pleased and surprised that someone from his office got back with me within 2 hours and was very attentive to my needs. I suppose for you who are saying mean things about him and his office is just being a "sore looser" instead of worrying about your own affairs!
I offer the following suggestion and that is to get a LIFE or run for office and YOU do a better job rather than complaining like a spoiled three year old!!!
Posted by tttt, a resident of the Stoneridge neighborhood, on Mar 22, 2010 at 11:45 am
I hope you know your going to Hell in a hand basket for telling such lies! I was there too, at the same time, all day, and I know that noone was able to go into the back offices...are you trying to sabotage something you feel helpless to control and resort to lying?...reminds me of the crowds around the cross with people planted by the pharisees: "Crucify Him! Crucify Him!"
Posted by Yet another one, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Mar 23, 2010 at 7:22 pm
I am YET another one - I tried calling for SEVERAL DAYS - I didn't get through to his office here ONE SINGLE TIME. I did get the answering machine in D.C. to voice my opposition to this bill.
What people don't seem to understand is that to pay for this, and you wait a few years to see if I'm correct, THEY WILL begin taking away the mortgage interest deduction from your taxes. Maybe at first they will only allow %80 then %60 then %40 but to pay for this abomination the money has to come from somewhere - you just don't realize yet that it will be YOU. Do you really think that 2% of the population can provide funding to pay for this? When you wake up and smell the coffee and your children won't be able to afford BUYING a home you will understand the impact of this bill. You are sadly mistaken.
I believe in a BIG way that we need reform - but this not this one. I think TORT reform is a great start. To award someone millions because SHE spilled hot coffee in her lap is a huge part of the problem. The insurance companies have to foot the bill for those things as WELL AS the cost of hospitals and prescriptions.
I'm all for reform - just not a bill where MANY have to be bribed to vote for it.