Open letter to Patriot Radicals, Tea Party Around Town, posted by Tired Of It, a resident of the Downtown neighborhood, on Mar 13, 2010 at 4:35 am
"It's a love for our Country, our Constitution, principals, morals and values in this country... and yes, that does mean God too... there is no racism involved... it's Americans of all nationality and color coming together, standing shoulder to shoulder... We The People, coming together as one.....United We Stand."
Hate to BURST your BUBBLE, but your little rallies
are SO Weak and you are all living in a fantasy world! Your entire premise is based upon social unrest and exlusion, name calling, badgering and dividing people. Anger, ignorance, arrogance, lies, and most important DEANIAL!
YOUR CHILDREN are beating up taxi drivers, buying drugs, harassing other students, being rude, loud and disruptive within our communities across the nation.
You attempt to control and divide your own neighborhood.
To preach a moral agenda, while your own people cheat on their spouses, rob mainstream America blind in greed and your sons main and kill innocent woman and children, in the name of "doing GODS work" in the middle east and "protecting our FREEDOMS.
Most see right through you folks, your severely flailing hypocritical party and agenda, the farthest for any "MORAL" decency.
Posted by Tired Of it, a resident of the Downtown neighborhood, on Mar 13, 2010 at 4:46 am
Learning BY example from Patriot Radical Mommy and Daddy how to "stand up and fight" four our "Freedoms" and more importantly learning about "MORALS" ?
"Posted by Pleasanton Parent, a resident of the Country Fair neighborhood, on Mar 4, 2010 at 8:22 am
During the last 5-10 years, I've witnessed a few after school fights (they kids all show up at a local park - 50 or more) where 2 kids are fighting and actually cheered on by both male and female high school students. There is a disconnection between the suffering of the "loser" of the fight and the kids. Very sad and I'm not a psychologist or sociologist, but it seems more vicious than when we were kids. Probably attributes to the increase in bullying at the schools, too. These problems are in every community for those that think they are in someone else's backyard.
Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger, a resident of the Vintage Hills Elementary School neighborhood, on Mar 13, 2010 at 11:17 am
There are extremes on either side of the aisle or in any religious realm and none of it is good. All of them have moral lapses and bad judgement--it turns out they're human too, just with the power we confer to them. Shame on us if we don't all hold them accountable.
Posted by Pleasanton Mom, a resident of the Birdland neighborhood, on Mar 13, 2010 at 12:59 pm
Dear Tired of it,
I'm assuming that you haven't attended any Tea Parties, or asked any questions of those who have attended. Remember, these people are your fellow Americans, the people that mourned along with you after 9-11, the people who would be there to help you in accident (not wishing that on you). They are not your enemy.
So without actual firsthand knowledge of the Tea Party issues, I'm assuming your attitude is based on liberal media or liberal organzations.
There should not be a battle between you and your fellow Americans. It should be you and your Fellow Americans against Marxism.
American Marxists (Progressives, Liberals) have succeeded in taking over the Democrat Party. This is no longer your father's Democrat Party. The Marxists want to destroy our economic system, Capitalism and our way of life (proven to produce the highest standard of living on the planet), and replace it with socialism, and eventually communism (proven to produce misery and poverty everywhere it exists). That was never the goal of the old Democrat Party.
Know that the Progressives use Saul Alinsky tactics to manipulate their followers. Saul Alinsky wrote the book, Rules for Radical, and dedicated his first edition to non other than Lucifer:
"... to the very first radical . . . who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom - Lucifer." How creepy is that!
Alinsky's disciples -- including Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama -- have a warlike political style. They learned politics as war from the Master. Obama is so well-trained in Alinsky tactics that he used to teach workshops on it. Obama taught Alinsky to ACORN.
Obama followed in Alinsky's footsteps and become a Community Organizer. According to Alinsky, the Community Agitator's job is to:
Agitate and Aggravate. To "rub raw the sores of discontent" and mount a socialist revolution. To bring folks to the "realization" that they are indeed miserable, that their misery is the fault of unresponsive governments or greedy corporations."
To "fan the latent hostilities of many of the people to the point of overt expression."
To "prepare the people for the trials of the revolution. The people, according to Alinsky, "must feel so frustrated, so defeated, so lost, so futureless in the prevailing system that they are willing to let go of the past and chance the future" of change, change, change."
Alinsky taught the art of psychological manipulation.
That is why Obama is now instructing his followers to "get in their faces" of those Americans who are not down for his cause. Obama acts like a nice guy, but he is a political warmonger. He's been very clear about that: "If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun." That's the language of gang war.
Alinsky called ordinary Americans "the enemy." Normal, decent America is the enemy for these people.
And the thing is, these Marxists have great power and riches to gain by manipulating people into hating their fellow Americans. They use trickery and deceit to get sell their agenda - hence the use of Alinsky tactics.
The Tea Party people have no power or money to gain from their message, from their protesting the Marxist takeover of our country. Think about it. Who are you going to trust, the slick snake oil salesman, or your next door neighbor, your fellow American?
Posted by Strong FISCAL consevative, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Mar 13, 2010 at 5:13 pm
Both sides disgust me. I'm a fiscal conservative that TRULY belives in LIMITED government....which means stay OUT of my personal, private life !!. I'll always vote fot the strongest, most electable, and most FISCAL conservative who will stay OUT of my personal, private life...which includes birthing or not, sex as I wish,my right to die without a team of engineers...all waiting to bill taxpayers. I have difficulity with hypocrites who claim to follow God, but ignore his call when he says times up. Also, my copy of the constitution doesn't give the pope any special powers or that 6 catholics on the supreme court can impose their religion on the nation.
Posted by I'm tired too., a member of the Vintage Hills Elementary School community, on Mar 14, 2010 at 5:14 pm
Tired of being called a Marxist socialist who wants to destroy the country. See, I know what Marxism is, what socialism is, what Democracy is and what our constitution says. And none of what the current administration is proposing is Marxist or even socialist. Yes, I'm liberal and believe that our Democracy and our country are made stronger when we stand together and take care of one another -- including the poor. That, by the way, is what Christ tells us to do in the New Testament. And what our motto of "United We Stand" is all about.
So quit claiming that, just because I disagree with you, I'm out to intentionally destroy the country and turn the U.S. into a Marxist state. And for goodness sakes, quit using stupid arguments about how the Democrats are socializing medicine by TAKING AWAY MEDICARE! Socializing medicine would be opening Medicare to everyone.
And please stop complaining about Democrats getting in people's faces and practicing the art of psychological manipulation until the Republicans and Tea Party activists stop getting in people's faces and practicing the art of psychological manipulation.
Posted by Pleasanton Mom, a resident of the Birdland neighborhood, on Mar 14, 2010 at 5:32 pm
Just a clarification: when I talk about Marxists detroying our country, I am referring to the people in power in our Government, the people who have taken control of the Democrat Party and who are currently taking over private sector businesses - not average citizens.
Posted by Tired Of it, a resident of the Downtown neighborhood, on Mar 14, 2010 at 7:18 pm
"Dear Tired of it,
I'm assuming that you haven't attended any Tea Parties, or asked any questions of those who have attended. Remember, these people are your fellow Americans, the people that mourned along with you after 9-11, the people who would be there to help you in accident (not wishing that on you). They are not your enemy."
>My point exactly, our family LOST family in 9-11, WE MOURNED every single loss!
You assume SO incorrectly as I probably know MORE about the movement than you, as a _ _ _ _ _.
What on earth does 9-11 have to do with what I posted?
"So without actual firsthand knowledge of the Tea Party issues, I'm assuming your attitude is based on liberal media or liberal organizations."
>Again, You ASSUME VERY incorrectly.
"There should not be a battle between you and your fellow Americans. It should be you and your Fellow Americans against Marxism."
Please TAKE YOUR advise back to Bridget and the rest! PLEASE!
Posted by Tired Of it, a resident of the Downtown neighborhood, on Mar 14, 2010 at 7:26 pm
Strong FISCAL, Great Points!
Im Tired too,
Thank You Neighbor!
I Hope there is HOPE for even you, as you are most like a little ducky following a blind duck! Very, very at a loss for validity and merit, most of your posts. Not worth much in the way of rebuttal. Your posts lack anything that would merit so presumption of rebuttal is not necessary, get it?
Posted by Johnny, a resident of the Del Prado neighborhood, on Mar 14, 2010 at 8:05 pm
I think you are a marxist. You seem to feel that everyone should support you, your husband, who cannot or will not provide for your family and want the rest of us to do it forever. There are many jobs outside of this state and if you both do not have the skill set to be employed in this state you should move to one which can employ you and him.
Posted by Tired Of it, a resident of the Downtown neighborhood, on Mar 14, 2010 at 8:41 pm
I have no idea what you refer to as far as this Janna goes but GET REAL!
How dare you JUDGE this person! many people right here in Pleasanton DO have the "skill set" that would surely keep them employed up until this latest Wall Street related debacle, combined with a REPUBLICAN Governor that ran California into the ground!
I don't give a dam if Janna or anyone else is collecting unemploymet, YOU have NO right what so ever to insinuate that anyone is wanting to be supported by "the rest of us" etc.
Give us a BREAK smart aZZ! YOU don't have much of a POT to PIZZ on let alone to "support" all the folks on unemployment.
What do YOU suggest? People have family and other ties. There are NOT plenty of jobs in "other States" as you insiuate Janna "should move to one which can employ you and him"!!
You are anj uptight know it all AZZ hole at BEST! Get help!
You put Jasnna in you self proclaimed box, tell her that she shouldnt rely on other people supportting her, I assume you mean unemployement and you continue to INSIST she move out of CA! You are the type of idiot the rest of us DO NOT need!
Posted by Rae, a resident of the Mohr Park neighborhood, on Mar 15, 2010 at 9:57 am
Wow, once again you have me LOL!! "I have never called any person on this Forum a name". Hmmmmm . . . I guess you're right . . . mostly. You frequently just let your cut and paste rants do the nasty work for you. However, since very little of what you post is in your own words, and you sometimes forget to insert quotation marks, it's difficult to tell where your cut and paste starts and ends.
That said, while you say you don't actually invoke the Marxist/socialist/nazi/statist/progressive/totalitarian name-calling you include in your posts against the posters who challenge your opinions, you infer that anyone who voted for, or defends any policy out of the current administration, is one. In addition, you certainly impugn the spiritual values, patriotism, allegiance to America, and sanity of those same posters - as if only those who follow the Tea Party Nation ideology are "true Americans".
Just to refresh your memory, I did a little cutting and pasting of my own for a sampling of your own words from some of your posts: "Still, God has a remnant, a band of patriots growing in strength and numbers to take back our country. We will restore America!" ""The dangers of conservative regimes that claim to have God on their side" exist only in the mind of a Liberal." "we are in a fight between Good and Evil." "if you haven't been too badly damaged by the lies and fraud that is Liberalism, you will even be rejoicing at having "see the light". "The Democrat Party is serving as the Marxists' (Progressives) Useful Idiots." "Trying to "get along or go along" with "crazy" doesn't work! The Tea Party movement is helping Republicans to understand that they have to stop appeasing the CRAZY Libs and get back to their conservative roots, or else they're out too!" Democrats are "radical Liberals/Marxists" who “hate our Constitution”, have “villified [sic] our Founding Fathers”, “lied about our founding principles” and are out to destroy “the Freedom is that is [our children’s] birthright.” “Any vote for a Democrat now is an automatic vote for Obama's "Fundamental Transformation of America" (the destruction of America and our way of life).”
At the very least, for you to claim that you don't engage in name-calling is disingenuous.
I've also read that you claim to be an HR Manager who lost her job here in Pleasanton, as well as a cancer survivor. Since this is a blind forum, one never really knows when a poster is telling the truth. I can only base my opinions on what is written. I find it interesting that you so lovingly embrace those posters who have called Janna names because she is, like yourself, unemployed and taking advantage of the unemployment insurance she undoubtedly paid into during the years she was employed . . . as I am sure you yourself did and are. Since you now have a pre-existing medical condition (and I applaud your survival as I lost my mother to breast cancer,heart condition and my father to lung cancer) I also find it interesting that you think the insurance cartel, who will now deny you coverage, should be the arbiter of who, and what medical procedures, should be covered. I guess that's because they've done such a bang-up job so far in the free market in which they've been allowed to reign unchecked? I sincerely hope that, if health care reform is not enacted, you never have occasion to need the insurance cartel to come to your rescue.
Posted by Pleasanton Mom, a resident of the Birdland neighborhood, on Mar 15, 2010 at 10:32 am
I have to use words (names) as identifiers to concepts, so as to communicate.
Again, I am referring to the people in power who have the power to affect our lives - not average citizens.
In fact I defended the average citizens who voted for Obama, as they were duped by the lies, and the fact that there is no official vetting process for the president of the United States job. If there had been a proper vetting process, the masses would have found out during the campaign about Obama's Marxist upbringing, the fact that he himself on video said he sought out the Marxists in college for his friends, his being trained in Saul Alinksy's Rules for Radicals, his teaching Saul Alinksy to ACORN, his radical America-hating associates...
I have never called any person on this Forum a name. And I have not embraced posters because of their name-calling, but because of their abilty to clearly see what's happening.
Posted by Rae, a resident of the Mohr Park neighborhood, on Mar 15, 2010 at 12:18 pm
LOL!! You are certainly righteous in your own mind! It must be the belief that God is on the side of you and your like-minded "band of patriots"! I guess the rest of us are just among the forsaken.
I'll remember that the next time you "God bless" someone like "Big Poppa" whose "abilty to clearly see what's happening" leads him to tell Janna "Should'nt [sic] you be at your mailbox waiting for your next Gov't check? Until you and your family pull your own weight you should shut your mouth and be gratefull [sic] for all of the handouts you're getting."
Perhaps while you're chiding others to be open to what you, and the right-wing commentators you so love, have to say, you might actually step back and take a look at the picture you're portraying about yourself with your narrow-minded, partisan commentary. You may find your use of derogatory labels in everything you post descriptive, but, frankly, you use them so frequently and with such gusto that they overshadow any point you may be trying to make. In any case, I don't believe there is anything that is posted from either the extreme right or left that is going to influence those in polar opposition, and very few people who post opinions online are sitting on the fence on any political issue.
Labels are misleading. I've said the following before on this forum, but I'll say it again, just for you.
Politically, I'm a 60+ left-leaning Democrat and proud of it. I'm also proud that I served in the Navy during Viet Nam. I consider myself an American patriot. I research and inform myself on the issues. I'm not shy about contacting my elected representatives to share my opinions. I exercise my right to vote. I believe that there are extreme, moderate and centrist Democrats, as well as extreme, moderate and centrist Republicans and Independents.
I believe in the Constitution, but realize that the founders of the Constitution were white men (note the exclusion of women and persons of color). But they were just that . . . men . . . not Gods. Some of them owned slaves and parts of the original Constitution were based on that ownership. That said, they did the best they could at the time, and it was a valiant effort.
However, the Constitution is obviously a living document, hence the need for amendments. Amendments, by the way, that have been written to ensure additional rights, not remove or limit them. It's up to all of us Americans, no matter what our race, ethnicity, religious or spiritual beliefs, political persuasion, or sexual identity, to determine where we've been, where we are and where we want to go as a country. The hard part is balancing . . . let me say that again . . . balancing extreme, moderate and centrist views to come up with a well-run government that works most of the time for each and every one of us - not just those of the conservative, Tea Party Nation persuasion who consider themselves the only "true" Americans, patriots with the only "right" view, the only "good" guys. We, America and Americans, are so much more than that narrow paradigm.
And with that, once again, I'm off this particular soapbox. Have a great day!
Posted by Tired Of it, a resident of the Downtown neighborhood, on Mar 15, 2010 at 3:55 pm
Thank YOU Rae,
I have been saying this for SO long and I appreciate the way you put this as follows:
"I believe in the Constitution, but realize that the founders of the Constitution were white men (note the exclusion of women and persons of color). But they were just that . . . men . . . not Gods. Some of them owned slaves and parts of the original Constitution were based on that ownership. That said, they did the best they could at the time, and it was a valiant effort.
However, the Constitution is obviously a living document, hence the need for amendments. Amendments, by the way, that have been written to ensure additional rights, not remove or limit them. It's up to all of us Americans, no matter what our race, ethnicity, religious or spiritual beliefs, political persuasion, or sexual identity, to determine where we've been, where we are and where we want to go as a country."
Posted by Rae, a resident of the Mohr Park neighborhood, on Mar 15, 2010 at 6:35 pm
Thanks! I obviously share your frustration!
Although this country wasn't founded on diversity, it was founded on freedom, which led to racial, ethnic, religious and political diversity. We're still working on the freedom of sexual identity.
I think it's shameful that those with a very narrow view of what they think America and Americans should be are trying to limit the scope of this great nation . . . whether it be by race, ethnicity, religion, politics or sexual identity. Really, there's room for us all.
Posted by Janna, a resident of Dublin, on Mar 15, 2010 at 7:14 pm Janna is a member (registered user) of PleasantonWeekly.com
I have never advocated what you write. That is your assumption. Just because I believe that we should have safety nets for those who fall on hard times does not mean that the government should be taking care of everybody. How do you even get there?
Posted by Bill, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Mar 15, 2010 at 8:51 pm
Say WHAT? "The Constitution is a living document." !!!??? Ahhh...that is the problem with you leftist democrats! It is NOT! Tho the liberal justice system has made it into whatever they think it means!
Is your mortgage contract a living contract? Can it mean whatever you'd like it to mean? How about your car loan?
Posted by Rae, a resident of the Mohr Park neighborhood, on Mar 16, 2010 at 7:32 am
The Constitution is a living document in the sense that it has in the past, and can be in the future, amended.
So let me get this straight. You think the Constitution should have stood as originally written without amendments? That, for example, only white men should be allowed to vote? And you call me "dangerous to American society"? Wow . . .
ps. and yes, your mortgage can be amended . . . for example, a payment change from monthly to bi-weekly, a change in interest rates negotiated with the lender, by a short sale, payment protection provided by insurance, heir protection with a living trust . . .
Posted by Pleasanton Mom, a resident of the Birdland neighborhood, on Mar 16, 2010 at 7:52 am
Excerpt from attached article:
"The game of golf can be quite closely analogized to what's at issue here.
Golf has a rulebook, which is tantamount to the Constitution; a ruling body, which is like a legislature; players, who are like the people; and on-course tournament officials, who are like judges. The players have to abide by the rules even if they find some of them objectionable, and breaking them brings penalties. Likewise, while the ruling body can amend the rules, until and unless the process for doing so is undertaken, they also have an obligation to follow them.
This now brings us to the officials (judges). Unlike the ruling body, there is no process at their disposal by which they can alter the rules. Their role is very limited: It's only to apply the rules and determine whether or not they have been broken in a given situation. Now, would it be tolerated if they said, "You know, Tiger Woods didn't break the rule in question here, but we don't like that rule, so we're going to 'strike down' his action," or "Phil Mickelson did break a rule, but we dislike that rule, so we'll let his action stand"?
Now let's take it a step further. What if the judges were a tad more clever about their usurpation and said that the rule book was a living document? What if they contended that the book mustn't be stuck in time and that they have a right to interpret it to suit the times? What if they conjured up new classifications for officials, such as "pragmatist," to lend credence to this obscene dereliction of duty? How fast would they lose their jobs?
Answer: as fast as Americans should start calling for the heads of derelict, activist judges.
After all, if we wouldn't tolerate violence done to the rules of a game, why would we tolerate it done to the laws of our nation? Remember that in just the way a game falls apart if the participants won't follow the rules, a constitutional republic won't work unless we accept the proposition that we'll abide by its constitution.
In reality, leftists' arguments are stuck in time: the age of no reason. They tell us they're interpreting the Constitution to suit the times, but this is nonsense. It is interpreted to suit leftist tastes. What is true is that the Constitution lawfully may be altered to suit the times -- if this is believed necessary. But this is the job of elected representatives, who are chosen by the people and are meant to reflect their will. And insofar as this alteration goes, the Constitution is as alive as it needs to be. As for leftists' version of a living document, the only thing it will yield is a dead republic."
Posted by Rae, a resident of the Mohr Park neighborhood, on Mar 16, 2010 at 9:58 am
"What is true is that the Constitution lawfully may be altered to suit the times -- if this is believed necessary."
Derogatory "descriptive" labels aside ("leftists' arguments are stuck in time: the age of no reason"), thanks for using those great cut and paste skills to post an article that eventually agrees with my point: the Constitution is, indeed, a living document that has been amended to suit the times.
Just to make my point even clearer, I'll note a few examples . . . right out of the Constitution.
The Bill of Rights, Amendments 1-10, were written because several delegates to the Constitutional Convention of 1787 were refusing to sign the Constitution because it did not include a bill of rights. The Bill of Rights were ratified in 1791.
In 1865, after the Civil War, slavery was abolished with Constitutional Amendment 13. But black men still couldn't vote, so in 1870 Constitutional Amendment 15 declared that race was no bar to voting. In 1964, during the battle for Civil Rights, Amendment 24 declared that Poll Taxes, or in fact any tax, could not be used to bar a citizen from voting. I'd call all of these amendments a response to what was happening at the time.
In 1920 women's right to vote was finally provided under the Constitution with the 19th Amendment. I'd say the Suffragettes would call that amendment an interpretation of the time and long overdue!
In 1919, the 18th Constitutional amendment abolished liquor as a response to the Temperance Movement. This amendment was an unfortunate response to the religious moralists of the times. The problems generated by Prohibition, not the least of which was the rise in organized crime, are well documented. In 1933 the 18th Amendment was finally repealed with the 21st Amendment. I consider these two Amendments an excellent point in case about what happens when Congress bows to extremist views and uses the Constitution to infringe on personal liberty.
In 1981, as a response (finally) to the thousands of young men and women who could, and did, enlist in the Armed Services and die in war (in this case, Viet Nam), but were too young to vote, the 26th Amendment set the voting age to 18.
In 1967, less than two years after President Kennedy's assination, Congress passed the 25th Amendment in order to clarify the Presidential line of succession and define what was to be done if a President was disabled.