Obama saved the economy, facts don't lie State, National, International, posted by Reality, deal with it, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Mar 10, 2010 at 1:03 pm
This is a story from bloomberg (hardly a liberal propaganda rag) on how Obama's policies are working, have brought the economy back from the brink and has set the foundation for continued growth. Here's a telling quote:
“We’ve had a phenomenal run in asset classes across the board,” said Dan Greenhaus, chief economic strategist for Miller Tabak & Co. in New York. “If he was a Republican, we would hear a never-ending drumbeat of news stories about markets voting in favor of the president.”
So much for the "liberal media"...
and another quote:
“A year ago, there was panic, as well as concern. And a lot of the expectations were not only that we were going to have declines in activity but they would stretch all the way to 2010, if not 2011.”
Since then, monthly job losses have abated, from 779,000 during the month Obama took office to 36,000 last month. Corporate profits have grown; among 491 companies in the S&P 500 that reported fourth-quarter earnings, profits rose 180 percent from a year ago, according to Bloomberg data. Durable goods orders in January were up 9.3 percent from a year earlier. Inflation is tame, and long-term interest rates remain low.
Once again, after the hangover of another GOP rape of the economy, our country is beginning to thrive under democratic party leadership (as it historically has since WW2 compared to GOP administrations), but if you wingnuts and teabaggers still feel the need to fill this bulletin board with conspiracy rants about marxist-nazist-socialist secret agendas, then go right ahead...the rest of use will be enjoying the fruits of rational leadership as our economy continues to grow...
Posted by Kelly, a resident of the Canyon Meadows neighborhood, on Mar 10, 2010 at 1:41 pm
This sounds like rantings from an indoctrinated student who has no personal experience with the economy but would rather just regurgitate beltway talking points.
The Dow fell last week another 4.24% to 6763, this makes an overall decline of 25% in two months and to the Dows lowest level since 1997. The no spin message here is that President Obama's policies have become part of the economy's problem not solution.
Posted by SteveP, a resident of the Parkside neighborhood, on Mar 10, 2010 at 2:29 pm SteveP is a member (registered user) of PleasantonWeekly.com
Hilarious attempt at sarcasm. We must be in such good shape because of the 'stimulus' that Obama told us would keep unemployment below 8% (it's now 9.7% nationally).
You conveniently left out this part of the Bloomberg article, no doubt to pray at the altar of your messiah: "The budget deficits the administration has run up have stirred criticism from investment managers and economists, as well as voters. The Congressional Budget Office projects Obama’s spending proposals would produce a record $1.5 trillion budget deficit this year and a $1.3 trillion deficit in 2011."
So, he sold our souls to the devil to try to head off the Obama recession...and failed...failed us and generations to come.
Enjoy the fruits of 'rational leadership'.......you'll be paying for that fruit (to the Chinese) for decades to come.
Posted by Joe, a resident of the Downtown neighborhood, on Mar 10, 2010 at 4:22 pm
Obama didn't do squat...when the JOB market rebounds then MAYBE...Wasted a whole year on medical that nobody wants when they should have been concentrating on the economy and JOBS JOBS JOBS. Dumb senator = Dumb president!
Posted by resident, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Mar 10, 2010 at 5:27 pm
I was trying to come up with a list of accomplishments that he has completed since taking office. If I come up with something I’ll let you know. I actually voted for the guy, but I think he has largely proved to be a great speaker that has done little to help our country out of this mess. Maybe no one can, but I did expect MUCH more. At this rate I would vote for someone else as long as it was not Sarah Palin. I’m not that desperate, and neither is our country. Barring that nomination, I think he will be out of there in 2012 unless he somehow SIGNIFICANTLY picks up the pace.
Posted by westsider, a member of the Foothill High School community, on Mar 10, 2010 at 5:59 pm
Ha ha ha 'reality,' you're hilarious. Jobs are decreasing every month, and the national debt has been tripled in the past year, and yet you think good ol' Barack Hussein Obama is our savior. Funny, if only it wasn't so sad.
Posted by Stupid, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Mar 10, 2010 at 7:19 pm
Do not feel bad because I voted for Obama also and now regret and would vote for almost anyone else with some level of experience. My track record is spotty. Here are my votes, Carter, Reagan, Reagan, Bush 1, Ross Perot (remember him), Billy horn goat Clinton, Clinton again, Bush, Bush, and now Obama. I hope someone like maybe Romney with a Independent and Republican house and senate next time.
Posted by Reality bites, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Mar 10, 2010 at 11:46 pm
Man, this post really brought on the avalanche of stupid. Guess it's to be expected from the geniuses that frequent this board. Where to start?...
"We must be in such good shape because of the 'stimulus' that Obama told us would keep unemployment below 8% (it's now 9.7% nationally)."
This is the biggest bunch of garbage spewed out by the rightwing noise machine. When this comment was made, about a stimulus keeping the unemployment rate below 8%, it was early january 2009. Obama hadn't even taken office yet. The report was written in December and it used projections based on information at the time. In december '08 and january 09 alone (still in the bush administration), the economy shed a total of 1.5 million jobs in those two months alone. By the time that report was published, the unemployment rate had already gone over 8% BEFORE OBAMA EVEN TOOK OFFICE. So to say he promised this as part of passing the stimulus package in late february/early march (by which time an additional 1.5 million jobs had been shed) is wildly untrue. Stop getting all your information from misleading GOP talking points. Now if no stimulus had been passed (along with the over 300 billion in tax cuts it included -- cuz, you know, those evil marxist facist socialist democrats want to raise your taxes) the unemployment rate would easily be above 12 - 13% right now, and remember that ever 1% is another 3 million people...but sure, obama is just trying to destroy our country...that's why about 6 - 10 million people still have jobs when they otherwise would've lost them...*sigh*
Kelly wrote: "The Dow fell last week another 4.24% to 6763, this makes an overall decline of 25% in two months and to the Dows lowest level since 1997. The no spin message here is that President Obama's policies have become part of the economy's problem not solution." Um, I have no idea what you're trying to state in your post, but if you're quoting a news report from a year ago when the stock market was at that point and contrasting it to now when the market is up 40%, then you're pretty much making my argument for me...if you're trying to counter it then you need serious help...or you're stupid funny....
westsider wrote: "Ha ha ha 'reality,' you're hilarious. Jobs are decreasing every month, and the national debt has been tripled in the past year"
Bush takes office in 2000 with the national debt at 5.5 trillion (down from 8 trillion when his daddy left office in '93) and the annual budgets in surplus. 8 years later the national debt had doubled to 11 trillion dollars. His final budget came in with a 1.3 trillion dollar annual deficit. Obama's first budget, used primarily to stabilize the banking system, to stabilize the economy, to takeover chrysler and GM and help bailout all the other financial entities deemed "too big to fail", on top of the drop in tax receipts due to bush's economy, helped bring in a deficit of 1.5 trillion, and suddenly all the people who ignored bush's deficits for 8 years are DISMAYED at obama's supposedly "tripling the national debt in one year"...thanks for coming to the party a bit late. You have no credibility.
".Wasted a whole year on medical that nobody wants when they should have been concentrating on the economy and JOBS JOBS JOBS." The fact that you can't seem to see the fact that relieving the burden ALL companies are now feeling in terms of providing healthcare for their employees (12-15k/year/employee) is a major drag on the job market proves that you're the dumb one, not obama. The job market will never turn around if we're asking companies to take on the burden of providing insurance to their employees when insurance providers are hitting companies with double digit premium increases. The fact that you AND MOST OF THE MEDIA can't clue into the fact that the Healthcare reform bill IS A JOBS BILL. Companies are already starting to hire again, despite the uncertainty of HCR, but once the bill passes expect to see a major upswing in hiring...if it doesn't pass, you'll only have yourselves to blame...
"Here are my votes, Carter, Reagan, Reagan, Bush 1, Ross Perot (remember him), Billy horn goat Clinton, Clinton again, Bush, Bush, and now Obama." So you voted for both ross perot AND clinton in 92? That would mean you cast 2 votes that year. Nice going...The thing I like about your post is that you voted for reagan twice, bush 1, and bush 2 twice...those 3 presidents alone account for 10 trillion of our nation's 11 trillion dollar debt. Nice going! I will note that your votes for Carter (took the national debt from 1.2 trillion down to 1 trillion from 77 - 81) and Clinton (twice? once?)(took the debt from 8 trillion down to 5.5 trillion) account for nearly 3 trillion in debt reduction, but hey, it's the democrats who are taxes and spenders driving up our debt...right? There's those stubborn little facts getting in the way of a good narrative...well, at least we have glenn beck to tell us how/what to think...right?
Posted by Joe, a resident of the Downtown neighborhood, on Mar 11, 2010 at 7:00 am
"Reality bites"...Thanks, I didn't know just how dumb and stupid I and the other posters really were until you showed us the "avalanche of stupid". The "right wing noise machine"?...are you serious? Really, now who is the "noise machine" here..............perhaps YOU.
Posted by reality *yawn*, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Mar 11, 2010 at 7:20 am
Nice rebuttal. You attacked each of my points with substance and charm...oh wait, no you didn't...you basically spit out the linguistic equivalent of "i know i am and so are you!" thanks for making my argument for me...
Posted by Pleasanton Mom, a resident of the Birdland neighborhood, on Mar 11, 2010 at 7:23 am
To Resident and Stupid,
I would like to thank you for your honesty in admitting that you voted for Obama, for your ability to put your ego aside, and for your intelligence and allegiance to your country in admitting that you made a mistake. Bless you.
In your defense, he misrepresented himself during the campaign - hiding "who" he really was. I saw some website of his that claimed that he had NOTHING to do with ACORN - but of course he was their lead Attorney who sued the State of Illinois (Google it) on ACORN's behalf regarding voter registration. He taught ALINSKY'S Rules for Radicals to ACORN. He taught ALINSKY at the University of Chicago.
He ran the campaign as a Centrist but we know now that he is governing as the most Far-Left radical this country has ever seen. He is a dangerous Progressive who said that our Constitution is FLAWED because it did not provide for Redistribution of Wealth. Gee, what could possibly go wrong?
Also, there was absolutely NO vetting process of the President by our CIA, FBI, etc. There was no background check conducted, no FBI clearance, nothing. My gosh, I'm sure McDonald's employees are better vetted!! Had there been an appropriate vetting process in place, the country would have found out about his Anti-American associates, his communist friends, his membership in the New Party, a Socialist organization (Google it).
The country has been...disgraced.
Still, God has a remnant, a band of patriots growing in strength and numbers to take back our country. We will restore America!
Posted by Seriously, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Mar 11, 2010 at 7:30 am
Pleasanton Mom, your posts are pure entertainment. This country is being disgraced by holier-than-thou, fearmongering conspiracy theorists, not by President Obama, or progressives, or the left, or any of that nonsense. And I mean truly disgraced. History will show the shame these hateful tactics have brought on our country.
From Reality, I see facts; from you, I see attacks.
Posted by Pleasanton Mom, a resident of the Birdland neighborhood, on Mar 11, 2010 at 8:43 am
History has already shown that Progressivism has led to some of the most brutal, violent, oppressive regimes in the modern world.
Statist/progressive/totalitarian governments have to oppress individual freedom in order to force people to conform to the will of the state, which invariably ends up in one form or another of enslavement, from confiscation of property and "redistribution" of earnings all the way up to gulags and show trials.
The opposite of this, of course, is what our selfless, God-Guided Founding Fathers set up for us - the greatest, freest, most life-affirming Republic on the planet.
Posted by Seriously, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Mar 11, 2010 at 10:11 am
Steve P., you're right. They're not. But I'll humor you. Obama and progressives are destroying our country and our children's futures, but global warming and the associated harm to the planet are a complete fallacy and should be disregarded. Gotcha.
Pleasanton Mom, you imply that you are well informed regarding the dangers of progressive regimes. I'm curious as to what you know about the dangers of conservative regimes that claim to have God on their side.
Posted by Rita, a resident of the Downtown neighborhood, on Mar 11, 2010 at 1:15 pm
I would not waste my breath of I were you. These people must be completely uniformed if they believe that Obama is doing anything at all for the economy or possibly they are just trying to create dialogue......either way a waste of time.
Posted by Stacey, a resident of the Amberwood/Wood Meadows neighborhood, on Mar 11, 2010 at 2:16 pm Stacey is a member (registered user) of PleasantonWeekly.com
I hope you don't mean that Tea Partiers prefer a social contract that included slavery!
Let's be clear. The Tea Party is progressive in that they want to make reforms that, as they see it, return the US to it's legal roots. The social conservatives are oppressive in that they want to institute law that forces everyone to live a certain way, their way.
Posted by Pleasanton Mom, a resident of the Birdland neighborhood, on Mar 11, 2010 at 2:24 pm
I know, but giving up is exactly what they want us to do. We must never give up. We know the truth. Only the truth will save us, so we can't give up, no matter how much these people attack us.
Some of these people can be turned around, others are obviously too far gone. Everyday, I hear (now former) Democrats calling into Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and Mark Levin radio shows and thanking them for helping them see the truth. Their tone is one of sheer happiness, relief, thankfullness for finally knowing the truth.
But we outnumber them, hence Obama's plunging polls numbers - as of today, only 24% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Forty-two percent (42%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -18. AND the bluest state in the country - Massachusetts voting Repulican to try to stop the Government takeover of our healthcare system.
Posted by Pleasanton Mom, a resident of the Birdland neighborhood, on Mar 11, 2010 at 2:45 pm
That is so so so wrong. You're listening to really deceitful talking points.
You should attend the Tea Party at the Alameda Country Fair Grounds on April 15th, and see for yourself instead of believing lies. You wouldn't lose anything except for a few hours of your time, you could walk around and ask questions of people, they will be happy to tell you why they are there. Then you'll know firsthand the truth for yourself.
The Tea Partiers are trying to:
1 - stop the spending that is bankrupting us and our kids' future
2 - stop the expansion of Governmment - Government jobs are the only jobs growing in America now, but Government jobs don't produce anything, they are a burden on our taxes. And they are making an average of $7,000 more per year in salary than similar private sector jobs - this should not be.
3 - stop increasing taxes (because of growing government
4 - returning to the principles of the Constitution
In a nutshell:
Low Tax Rates
A Strong dollar
Not Over-Regulate the People
Only A Limited Government
Limit Government Spending
A Strong Defense
There is nothing here that will force you to live in some certain way. On the contrary, you will have Freedom to pursue your happiness. And with Constitutionally-mandated limited Government and a Free Market, there will be jobs, and you'll get to keep more of your own money, and help people the way you like (I do a monthly debit deduction to St. Jude's Children's Hospital), not a government taking your money from you and wasting it beyond belief.
Posted by Getting too close, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Mar 11, 2010 at 3:01 pm
Giving several $$ BBillion to two solar panel startups, that won't CREATE a job for SEVERAL YEARS has ZERO inpact on this month's 'economy'...other then it does NOTHING !! That's pretty much been the story for over a year. Giving money to cities and states for funding their retirements, doesn't exactly create any jobs either.
I'm a bit testy today since I just learned my 50 yr old mechanical engineer son employer is shutting down the company next month, and my son get ONE month severance...the company is broke. His 3 sons, who are 1 & 2 yrs away from college...they HAD hoped, but it won't be happening. The job & house are in north Bay entering wine country...which made it's own news yesterday.
Obama was all about helping unions & repaying donors with solar startup $$, which he alway planned & campaigned on doing ANYWAY ! ...but certainly NOTHING for the little 50-100 employee companies last year, last month, or today ! Those PRODUCERS are what TURN the WHEELS of the ECONOMY and never a penny has gone to KEEPING jobs of small PRODUCERS or Main street...their Obama's collateral damage ! His main goal for a YEAR has been getting personal insurance (so inner-cities won't have to use county hosp).
What will a Dad in 50's do for future $$ without his job & what will his sons do without college..they're just NOT on the radar!
Posted by Seriously, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Mar 11, 2010 at 3:14 pm
I love this. Jim F Oh One says the Tea Partiers prefer the social contract of the 1770's to statism, then Stacey intelligently illustrates the distinction between the Tea Partiers and social conservatives, then PMom says Stacey is wrong and discusses how the Tea Partiers aren't involved in the social contract,that it's pure economics, then Jim F Oh One says PMom is right. It's like a flipping circus.
Posted by Rita, a resident of the Downtown neighborhood, on Mar 11, 2010 at 3:38 pm
I guess you are right and I will continue to try and educate or at least get them to see what is really going on in this country. We have an opportunity to utilize the next November to correct a direction I believe was mistakenly voted in last November and as you mention is considered extremely unfavorable at this point.
Posted by Pleasanton Mom, a resident of the Birdland neighborhood, on Mar 11, 2010 at 4:03 pm
Getting too close,
I am so sorry to hear of your son's situation. My family is in a similar circumstance. The boys can start college at a Junior College to save money, as my sons have done. It's not where they start, but where they finish that matters, so they can transfer into a UC after two years in a JC.
I pray that your son finds a new job quickly. Best to you. God Bless.
Posted by Reality show, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Mar 11, 2010 at 8:09 pm
It's impossible to take the teabaggers seriously precisely because they claim to be "fiscal conservatives." For 8 years we watched the annual budget go from surpluses of 200+ billion to a deficit in bush's final year of 1.5 trillion and yet we heard not a peep from these supposed "fiscal conservatives" until the democrats took back the government. Suddenly now you're all pulling your hair out and gnashing your teeth at the debts obama is supposedly running up, but ignoring the debts bush ran up. You claim to be a genuine movement, but the current or both subtle and explicit racism that is rampant throughout your ranks is unavoidable. The biggest factor that points to your irrelevance is your inability to get any of your candidates elected. The one shot you had was in NY last november in the special election for congress up there and your teabag hero only managed to get a democrat elected to a seat they hadn't held since before the civil war. Nice going. Teabagger candidates are going to be splitting votes all over the country in the coming months, or getting radicalized candidates elected in GOP primaries which will push the independents and moderate republicans over to the democratic alternative and you'll look up next november having only taken 10 or 15 seats (average for an incumbent party in an off-peak election year) instead of the 40 or 50 you're expecting. You've got teabagger candidates claiming social security is a fraud and a ponzi scheme...see how far that gets you with the 90% of americans who support social security. Your hero sarah palin spins yarns about humans sharing time on earth with dinosaurs some 6000 years ago and you wonder why people consider you a joke.
But sure, keep on patting yourselves on the back and claim the mantel of heirs to the founding fathers...the rest of us will be making the country work...
Posted by Rita, a resident of the Downtown neighborhood, on Mar 11, 2010 at 8:21 pm
you seem very familiar with the homosexual term teabagger............hmmmmmmmmm guess that explains a lot about you. You should go to one of the tea parties and I believe you might enjoy being around people who truly care about this country. Actually you had better get used to them because the liberals and their King Obambi are going down in flames and quicker than I believe anyone thought possible.
Posted by jimf01, a resident of another community, on Mar 11, 2010 at 9:04 pm
The reason it is impossible for you to take us seriously is that it is easy to dismiss someone as a racist loon instead of debating the issue with them.
The late to the party claim carries some credibility, but it doesn't make anyone a racist. Because the majority of Tea partiers were not making noise during the Bush admin doesn't mean we loved government expansion and running up budget deficits, as long as it was done by another white guy.
Fiscally, enough is enough, and we have had enough.
Your electoral split theory is correct, if the wing of the Tea Party that will not support any incumbent wins the day and wins the debate within the group, we will be losers in 2010. But I can tell you, it is not.
A very brief and poorly organized effort in NY-23 took Doug Hoffman from nearly nowhere to leading in the polls, forced the exit of the RINO, and brought the RNC over to us to support, albeit very weakly, the conservative in the race.
A better organized effort brought attention to an (R) in Massachusetts, Scott Brown's victory is a model for the Tea Party in 2010. Run a candidate who can win in the party that can win. No one could imagine, three weeks before that election that in Massachusetts, bluest of the blue seats in the Senate, Ted Kennedy's seat could go to an (R)! The Boston Globe's top political analyst called it for Coakley and went on vacation before the vote!!
The The Party isn't a registered party (anywhere I think) yet, and so they will not have 3rd party candidates in most races. But the movement is influencing races all over the country today.
The left side of the political spectrum (I am not allowed to call anyone unhinged anymore) is spending an AWFUL lot of time trying to deride and discredit this 'joke' of a political movement. On November 3rd, everyone will wake up and smell the TOAST.
Posted by Patriot, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Mar 11, 2010 at 9:44 pm
"Your hero sarah palin spins yarns about humans sharing time on earth with dinosaurs some 6000 years ago"
Now wait, I've heard a lot about Sarah Palin and I'm not a fan, but where did you hear that one? Did she say that specifically? If you have a link, please share it.
The bigger problem I had with that bunch of Republicans is their handling of the financial crisis, and Henry Paulson's original one page proposal to congress of a $725 Billion bailout of failed financial companies with no strings at all attached. There was nothing fiscally conservative about that, and it wrecked whatever credibility that administration still had. You can't be a fiscal conservative and support a doctrine that says from time to time the federal government will need to spend hundreds of billions or trillions of tax dollars bailing out failed Wall Street companies in order to preserve capitalism. Capitalism just doesn't work that way. Asked point blank about this, Sarah Palin said she was for it.
Obama really isn't any better on this count, but at least he doesn't claim to be a free market capitalist (well not exactly). Republicans need to distance themselves from these people if they really want to get America turned around. Otherwise, it may be time for a third party, in my humble opinion.
Posted by Stacey, a resident of the Amberwood/Wood Meadows neighborhood, on Mar 11, 2010 at 9:55 pm Stacey is a member (registered user) of PleasantonWeekly.com
jimf01 wrote: "The Tea Party's mission is fiscal conservatism, not social conservatism. That is what PMom is right about about where Stacey incorrectly linked social conservatives to it."
And yet, I made no such link. If you go back up and look, I used two separate posts to respond to the two distinct concepts. I only wrote about both in one post later in an attempt to clarify definitions. Pleasanton Mom then posted a great list showing how progressive the Tea Party is.
Posted by Stacey, a resident of the Amberwood/Wood Meadows neighborhood, on Mar 11, 2010 at 9:57 pm Stacey is a member (registered user) of PleasantonWeekly.com
Oh, and Pleasanton Mom, I already was at a Tea Party. Please, do what I do and turn off the talk radio, stop watching so much TV, and get a primer to read on political theory or at least open a dictionary.
Posted by Reality, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Mar 12, 2010 at 10:38 am
Patriot, You asked for sitations for sarah palin and her dinosaur theories...here you go: Web Link
Jimf01, "Fiscally, enough is enough, and we have had enough."
Why is it you guys only have enough when it's a democrat in the white house? Why is it you sat through 8 years of reagan/bush taking our national debt from 1 trillion to 8 trillion in the 80s and 90s. You suddenly had enough again in 92 - 2000 when clinton took the debt from 8 trillion down to 5.5 trillion, but apparently you were peaceful and calm for the 8 years bush doubled the debt again. It seems like the thing you can't get enough of is a fiscally insane GOP administration, while fiscally responsible democratic administrations raise your ire...the level of hypocracy is astounding...
"you seem very familiar with the homosexual term teabagger............hmmmmmmmmm guess that explains a lot about you. "
Rita, only a homophobe would consider this an insult...oh gee, i through the term teabagger around so i must know something about it...oh gee, people might think i'm gay...YIKES!!!...you just proved my point. The reason liberals and lefties (and most moderates) laugh at you guys and call you teabaggers is precisely that a phrase like this is so insulting to a group of homophobes like yourself and proves how unhinged you all are...