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The Census is Getting Very Personal...

Original post made by Concerned American on Mar 6, 2010

To every American...this 5 minute (troubling) video is well worth watching.

Video >>> Web Link

Comments (37)

Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore
on Mar 6, 2010 at 2:35 pm

Web Link Look whose talking about the census being too personal!


Posted by Pleasanton Mom, a resident of Birdland
on Mar 6, 2010 at 4:08 pm

Concerned American,

Thank you for posting this video, it is very informational. Beware that 10 years ago, when we refused to answer personal questions other than how many people lived in our house, they went around to our neighbors trying to get personal information about us. I'm sure it will be far, far, far worse this time.


Posted by Rat Turd, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 6, 2010 at 4:49 pm

The same here. I did not answer any of their questions years ago and will do the same again this time.


Posted by Rae, a resident of Mohr Park
on Mar 6, 2010 at 7:35 pm

It's obvious that none of you folks complaining about the 2010 Census have ever done any genealogy work on your family, let alone taken the time to look up exactly what information was going to be asked this time around. There are only 10, that's right, 10, questions on the 2010 Federal Census.

Let's see if I can make it a little less scary for some of you. The 2010 Census asks the following:

1. How many people were living or staying in this house, apartment, or mobile home on April 1, 2010?

2. Were there any additional people staying here April 1, 2010 that you did not include in Question 1? Mark all [boxes] that apply.
Box 1 - Children such as newborn babies or foster children
Box 2 - Relatives such as adult children, cousins or inlaws
Box 3 - Non-relatives such as roommates or live-in babysitters
Box 4 - People staying here temporarily
Box 5 - No additional people
[Note: This question has been asked since 1880.]

3. Is this house, apartment or mobile home -
Box 1 - Owned by you or someone in this household with a mortgage or loan? Include home equity loans.
Box 2 - Owned by you or someone in this household free and clear (without a mortgage or loan)?
Box 3 - Rented?
Box 4 - Occupied without payment or rent?
[Note: This question has been asked since 1890.]

4. What is your telephone number?

5. Please provide information for each person living here. Start with a person living here who owns or rents this house, apartment or mobile home. If the owner or renter lives somewhere else, start with any adult living here. This will be Person 1. What is Person 1's name?
[Note: This question has been asked since 1850.]

6. What is Person 1's sex?
[Note: This question has been asked since 1790.]

7. What is Person 1's age and what is Person 1's date of birth?
[Note: This question has been asked since 1800.]

8. Is Person 1 of Hispanic, Spanish or Latino origin?
[Note: This question has been asked since 1970.]

9. What is Person 1's race? Mark one or more boxes.
[Note: This question has been asked since 1790.]

10. Does Person 1 sometimes live or stay somewhere else? No? Yes? Mark all [boxes] that apply.
[Note: Possible answers for this question include "college housing", "military", etc.]

Undoubtedly, Questions 5 through 10 are repeated for each person in the household. Nothing about how much your house costs, what kind of car you drive, what kind of insurance you have, or how much you pay for your utilities.

Don't believe me? Want more information? Well, I don't have a nice little video to get you all excited, but I can give you the weblink so you can take a look for yourself. Web Link

I've researched every Federal Census from 1790 thru 1930 (excluding 1890 which was mostly destroyed by fire) looking for family clues. I have a favorite genealogy site I use that gives access to the original forms that were completed, as well as indepth information on the particular Census. Because of the 72-year privacy law, the 1940 Census won't be available for public viewing until April 1, 2012.

Census data can be an invaluable source of information on your ancestors. Beginning with 1850, Census reports provided specific information on individuals in a household. For example, depending on the Census year, Census data included information like: the relationship of each person to the head of the household, marital status, how old the head of household and spouse were when married, or how many years married, birthplace, parent's birthplaces, number of children born to the mother and how many were still living, whether the adults could read or write, their occupation (trade or profession, business owner), the value of the real estate, disabilities, Citizenship (language spoken before coming to the United States; year of immigration; whether naturalized or alien; ability to speak English), if they worked a farm what did they farm, Military service (whether veteran or not; war or expedition participated in). Some State Census reports, taken on off years, even included additional information like parent's names, where they were married and in what year.

Unfortunately, those genealogy researchers looking for information after April 1, 2082 from the 2010 Census won't be getting nearly the great data available from earlier Census forms. But a little bit is better than nothing, so do your descendents a favor . . . complete and return the form you get in the mail.


Posted by Realist, a resident of Walnut Grove Elementary School
on Mar 6, 2010 at 10:18 pm

Hey Rae -- thanks for your "reassurance" --

I didn't know the government is asking all this information only in a sincere effort to assist genealogy researchers in the future.

what a relief! And what nice people they are for "helping" us in such a manner!!

Got any more "kool-aid" in the fridge??


Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore
on Mar 6, 2010 at 11:09 pm

Census question: Where do you born?

tee hee hee, tee hee hee...


Posted by Love Palin, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 6, 2010 at 11:19 pm

The founding fathers would cringe at the idea of the federal government taking a census every ten years. They would turn over in their graves!


Posted by Pleasanton Mom, a resident of Birdland
on Mar 7, 2010 at 6:56 am

Rae,

The motives of someone conducting genealogy research on their family is quite different from the motives of a Marxist/Communist Government collecting private information on its citizens.

Citizens must answer only to what is required by the
Constitution.


Posted by Rat Turd, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 7, 2010 at 8:17 am

I am not even sure if I will answer question number 1. None of those questions are the governments business unless they have less than positive plans for its use.


Posted by Rae, a resident of Mohr Park
on Mar 7, 2010 at 8:48 am

LOL . . . This forum sure is a good example of the RNC's recent fundraising message. You know the one . . it's where they describe making their donors feel like "True Believers" with a "Patriotic Duty" and a "Front Line Mentality". That's because they say their donors are "reactionary" and "issue/circumstantially oriented", and can be lead towards "visceral giving" by motivating through "fear" and "extreme negative feelings towards existing Administration".

Wow, talk about drinking the kool-aid! LOL!!

For those of you actually interested in facts, the Constitution does, in fact, address the Census and its timing. Article 1, Section 2 of the Constitution states: "The actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct."

Congress first met in 1789, and the first national Census was held in 1790. The first Census law, Statute 2 of March 1, 1790, provided that census marshals be appointed, directed to "cause the number of the inhabitants within their respective districts to be taken; omitting in such enumeration Indians not taxed, and distinguishing free persons, including those bound to service for a term of years, from all others; distinguishing also the sexes and colours of free persons, and the free males of sixteen years and upwards from those under that age." The act directed that the names of the heads of families be recorded, the number of white males sixteen and older, the number of white males under sixteen, the number of white females, the number of all other free persons, and the number of slaves. Failure of an assistant marshal to make a return, or to make a false return, was punishable by a $200 fine. Failure of a marshal to do the same was punishable by up to an $800 fine. Failure to cooperate with a marshal or assistant was punishable by a $20 fine. Web Link

The 14th Amendment, ratified July 9, 1868, corrected the fractionalization of non-white persons counted in the Census. "Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed." The census originally counted "other persons" (slaves) as three-fifths persons for the purposes of apportionment. Web Link

Remember that phrase above in Article 1, Section 2 of the Constitution that the Census will be made "in such Manner as they shall by Law direct"? Today the controlling law for the U.S. Census is Title 13, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, Section 141, of the U.S. Code. Web Link

Sorry, no video or powerpoint presentation to get all that "True Believer" kool-aid, I mean tea, I mean juice flowing . . . just a little research and reality. C'mom, it's not that hard. You can do it too! LOL!!


Posted by Oh no!, a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Mar 7, 2010 at 10:07 am

Oh my goodness! If Jerry Day says it, it must be so! How dare they take a census!

I'm reminded of what Joseph and Mary did in the Bible when Herod took a census--they strapped on their GOD-GIVEN firearms and had an open-carry tea party.

Americans, whatever you do, don't give in to this new, socialist "census" that the liberal dems have just invented for the first time!


Posted by Janna, a resident of Dublin
on Mar 7, 2010 at 10:53 am

Rae,

You're awesome!

I didn't watch the video, but I'd bet Michelle Bachman was in it. Lately, I've noticed the paranoia level on this forum has increased immensely. It's fun to watch.


Posted by Concerned American, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 7, 2010 at 11:15 am

Rae: You are correct in one aspect...and incorrect in another. (If you are aware that you are incorrect in the following aspect...I would restate that you are deceptive, as well, typical of most Obama democrats. However, if you were simply not aware of the Long Form - now called the American Community Survey, I will withdraw my comment that you are deliberately deceptive...just a kool aide drinking Statist liberal.)

Janna: You are a hardcore leftist...defined as a marxist whose political ideals are well known to the PW readers.

Back to you Rae...
In every decennial census since 1940, two questionnaires have been used to collect information: a "short form" with only basic questions such as age, sex, race, and Hispanic origin; You provided info above about the Short Form only.

There is also a "long form" with the basic short-form questions plus about 50 additional questions on socioeconomic and housing characteristics. Only a subset of households received the long-form questionnaire—about one in every six in 2000. However, for the first time since 1940, the 2010 Census will be a short-form-only census. This is because the decennial long form has been replaced by the American Community Survey (ACS). The ACS is a nationwide, continuous survey designed to provide reliable and timely demographic, housing, social, and economic data every year. The ACS will replace the long form in 2010 and thereafter by collecting long-form-type information throughout the decade rather than only once every 10 years.

American Community Survey Questionnaire:
Web Link

Videoclip: Does the 2010 Census Impose on our Freedoms?
Web Link

Videoclip:
Web Link



Posted by don't fire until you see the whites of their eggs, a resident of another community
on Mar 7, 2010 at 11:24 am

True patriots should refuse to cooperate with their democratically elected government. AND WE SHOULD DISBAND THE UNIONS!

Socialism, Marxism and Statism is everywhere!

I'm not sure what "statism" is, but since a Concerned American brought it up, I'm sure it is something I should fear.


Posted by Wayne, a resident of Dublin
on Mar 7, 2010 at 12:31 pm

This is the atypical ignorance which proves the conservative movement is not engaged in reality. Brain dead and controlled by constant fear. Perspective is not part of their regularly scheduled programming.


Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore
on Mar 7, 2010 at 12:33 pm

I love the US so that's why I plan to answer every question as honestly as possible!

It's the right thing to do...yup!


Posted by Janna, a resident of Dublin
on Mar 7, 2010 at 1:06 pm

I love how you guys like to define others in your own terms. It's cute. Of course, I disagree with your frame. At least I'm not a hardcore fear-monger like you Concerned.

My posts show that I favor the rights of people over those of corporations. Get it? I'm against fascism and corporate person-hood.

The problem with the right is they lack empathy. Their personal views are more important than the big picture. That's why Bunning was able to say, without conscience, "tough sh!t" to his constituents. No empathy. What I find really odd, is that you despise anyone who has any and shows it for others.


Posted by Janna, a resident of Dublin
on Mar 7, 2010 at 1:28 pm

I also love how it was a-okay for Bush to use our telecoms to spy on us without limits, but the census is some sort of government plot to infiltrate our lives and is somehow more intrusive. I guess since it made you 'feel' safer, that was acceptable.

Spying = safety
Census = fear


Posted by Concerned American, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 7, 2010 at 1:48 pm

Janna,
No. Your posts do NOT indicate you favor the rights of INDIVIDUALS. You ... like other leftists favor the rights of the COLLECTIVE ... as in socialism. This reduces the rights of the individual...which is antithetical to the US Constitution and Bill of Rights.

I have been a corporate HR executive for nearly 30 years in tough employee relations environments. I have seen and experienced it all. The rights of the employee in corporations are very strong. Yes, there is the "at will" clause which technically allows a business to fire an employee without cause. That rarely happens because the risks to the company are high.

Given your negative attitude toward the private sector, I would weed you out so quickly if you were to interview with me. I've interviewed hundreds, if not thousands, with your poor attitude and if somehow you were able to get hired, your malignant negativism toward the company would sooner or later be your waterloo. Your presence would degrade employee morale and you'd be a liability to the organization.

By the way...regarding Jim Bunning (who only wanted to have democrats live up to their stated goal of no more debt and that any additional welfare should come from already committed debt) IS THERE EVER ENOUGH WELFARE FOR YOU? WHEN IS ENOUGH ENOUGH???


Posted by Pleasanton Mom, a resident of Birdland
on Mar 7, 2010 at 2:33 pm

Janna,

Your brand of empathy involves the use of other people's money.

The Democrat Party was built on exploiting race, minorities, and the poor. Due to a lack of education regarding our history, the Constitution and what has made America great, politicians are extremely successful spewing divisive rhetoric, entitlement, victim-hoodism and class envy. "Hate the rich! Hate Whitey! Vote for me! I'll give you their stuff! I'll MAKE them do right by you!" Totally disgusting! This is NOT America.

American taxpayers are extremely generous, sympathetic and more than willing to help those in need of a hand up. But liberal "cradle to grave government dependency" programs kill incentive and ultimately hurts people. Liberalism killed the Black family!

REAL empathy involves ensuring that America remains free so that the individual may pursue his dream. We are blessed with a precious gift, Freedom. For which, many brave men and women have paid the ultimate price. There is something wonderful and American about striving to be the BEST, competition, winning, losing, character and hard work. Freedom does not guarantee equal outcomes. It does give one a rare opportunity to rise to the pinnacle. In most countries, if your parents are peasants, you will be also. In America, opportunities are limitless, restricted only by one's "will" to GO FOR IT!

Conservatism is the most direct and fulfilling route to achieving the American Dream. Fighting against Socialism IS empathy and compassion for fellow Americans because it preserves the very thing that lifts people out of poverty and dependence - Freedom and the Free Market.

There are incidents in the Bible when God removed the scales from the eyes of individuals enabling them to see and receive the truth. This is my prayer for those blinded by liberalism.


Posted by Pleasanton Mom, a resident of Birdland
on Mar 7, 2010 at 2:55 pm

Concerned American,

I am Human Resources Manager too (15 years experience) but unemployed since my employer closed their Pleasanton office last year. I wish I could meet you.

Thank you for your excellent contributions to this forum. I keep hoping that something we conservatives say will eventually be someone's "Eureka Moment". That is my hope anyway, and the reason why I spend my energy here, my way of "fighting" for America.


Posted by Concerned American, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 7, 2010 at 2:56 pm

Dear Pleasanton Mom,
Wonderfully communicated!

Yes, liberalism has crippled the Black family, as you've stated (rendering so many dependent on welfare and destroying initiative, etc.). It also has literally killed millions throughout the world through ...

- genocide and ethnic cleansing
- abortion on demand
- euthansia
- infanticide
- environmental extremist measures (like banning DDT without any scientific basis)
- the use of CAFE standards on American cars...which have directly resulted in thousands of deaths
- the weakening of our national defense
- more...

More information about the "Party of Death: The Democrats, the Media, the Courts, and the Disregard for Human Life" >>> Web Link


Posted by Pleasanton Mom, a resident of Birdland
on Mar 7, 2010 at 3:06 pm

Concerned American,

Thank you for that book recommendation. Socialism is totally about death.

In this American Thinker article, "The End Game of the Left", Web Link
see the transcript from the testimony of Larry Grathwohl, an FBI informant who infiltrated a 1970 meeting conducted by Obama's close friend (and probable ghost-writer) William Ayers and included the leadership of the socialist Weather Underground.

"I brought up the subject of what's going to happen after we take over the government. You know, we become responsible for administrating, you know, 250 million people. And there was no answer. No one had given any thought to economics. How are you going to clothe and feed these people? The only thing that I could get was that they expected that the Cubans, the North Vietnamese, the Chinese and the Russians would all want to occupy different portions of the United States. They also believed that their immediate responsibility would be to protect against what they called the counter-revolution. And they felt that this counter-revolution could best be guarded against by creating and establishing re-education in the Southwest where we would take all of the people who needed to be re‑educated into the new way of thinking and teach them how things were going to be. I asked, "Well, what is going to happen to those people that we can't re‑educate, that are die-hard capitalists?" And the reply was that they'd have to be eliminated and when I pursued this further, they estimated that they'd have to eliminate 25 million people in these re‑education centers. And when I say eliminate, I mean kill 25 million people. I want you to imagine sitting in a room with 25 people, most of whom have graduate degrees from Columbia and other well-known educational centers and hear them figuring out the logistics for the elimination of 25 million people and they were dead serious."

The end game of the left is the abortion and eugenic elimination of the "undesirables", the euthanasia of the old and infirm, and the genocide of those who disagree. Its objective is the purity of socialist thought. And it is pure evil.


Posted by Janna, a resident of Dublin
on Mar 7, 2010 at 10:13 pm

There's no need to pray for me. I have no use for your fake out pouring of your so-called christianity. You live in make-believe world 24/7 and what your religion directs you to believe you has no bearing on me or the way I live.

You have no empathy. I'm talking about people and you're still talking about money. Got anything to say besides USA! USA! USA!???


Posted by Janna, a resident of Dublin
on Mar 7, 2010 at 10:15 pm

CA and Mom,

You two are paranoid individuals. How do you get my day to day? You sound scared witless!


Posted by Janna, a resident of Dublin
on Mar 7, 2010 at 10:19 pm

CM,

So you were grand with Bunning cutting off benefits to people who are relying on them? Are people just supposed to go away and die to make you happy? When you will realize that no one is living the great life on public assistance of any kind? Bunning only wanted..... something that kicked people who are already down. He didn't care, hence his quote, that his lone decision would hurt people who are trying to survive. If you can't see that, you don't have any empathy either. You and PM are two pitiful peas in a pod.


Posted by Rae, a resident of Mohr Park
on Mar 8, 2010 at 7:41 am

OK "Concerned American", let me get this straight.

You start a thread (with a borrowed title) about the 2010 CENSUS, containing a weblink to a video with a speaker, seated in front of a backdrop of enlarged 2010 CENSUS forms, talking about the 2010 CENSUS and questions that are . . not . . on the 2010 CENSUS form, and you call me "deceptive"?

LOL!! You are too funny! Thanks for the laugh!!

If you really wanted to start a discussion on the American Community Survey then, perhaps, instead of the misdirection towards the 2010 Census, you should have posted that upfront. But I understand, the term "American Community Survey" doesn't have quite the immediate, reactionary, tea party fear-factor that "2010 Census" does.

Oh, and (LOL) I must commend "Pleasanton Mom" for once again making sure to use the word "evil" in a post . . . even tho' the words weren't her own. Did we forget our quotation marks?

Although very few are left, supplemental Census questionaires associated with individuals on a federal census have been around for a loooooong time - since at least 1840. The Federal schedules have included records like Agriculture and Manufacturing, Mortality, Slave, Social Statistics, and Civil War Veterans and their Widows. State and local enumerations are frequently even more detailed because of their focused geographic areas.

As for the American Community Survey which began in 2005 . . . wait. . . Wasn't Bush president then? With a Republican-led Congress? Doesn't Congress make the laws that govern the ACS? Does that make them "evil" socialists/marxists/nazis (you fill in the blank) too? Wow, the plot thickens!


Posted by Pati, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 8, 2010 at 7:56 am

Janna,

You and your husband need to get off welfare and find jobs. You seem to have plenty of time to sit on the computer and complain about our leadership but do not have time to work or look for work other than to look for a handout from people who actually contribute. I need someone to mow my lawn.


Posted by Rae, a resident of Mohr Park
on Mar 8, 2010 at 8:13 am

Hey Janna,
You just gotta step back and laugh at how much (or is that little) "character" there is in some of the forum posters in this "Community of Character". So much for compassion, honesty, respect, and integrity, let alone responsibility and self-discipline!

Hang in there!


Posted by Janna, a resident of Dublin
on Mar 8, 2010 at 8:51 am

Nice assumptions Pati and wrong! You know what they say about people who assume things.

Hey, I've got a floor that needs mopping, can I use your head? You don't seem to be using it for anything at the moment.

BTW, I'm complaining about people like you who don't care about their fellow citizens. You don't want to waste your petty little brain thinking about what happens to people who can't find jobs and support their families. I'm not complaining about the leadership, I'm complaining about obstruction, you know, the only thing republicans are good at.


Posted by Janna, a resident of Dublin
on Mar 8, 2010 at 9:56 am


We need these people to wake up and take notice of the people in this country hurting. Vote for increases in welfare and free insurance.




Posted by Janna, a resident of Dublin
on Mar 8, 2010 at 10:08 am

The post directly above is not the real Janna. I would never tell people what/who to vote for ever. I've flagged it for removal.


Sad thing is, you must think taking notice of people hurting is funny, otherwise you wouldn't have mocked it. Are you really that selfish?


Posted by to love palin, a resident of Birdland
on Mar 8, 2010 at 1:55 pm

The founding fathers REQUiRED a census be taken. Join Bachman and the other loonies and not do the census and see what happens to your representation in Congress and the little money that we get from the national government will become even less. The census is constitutionally mandated!


Posted by Rat Turd, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 8, 2010 at 3:19 pm

Palin,

You should pull out a copy of the US Constitution and I believe you will find the passage which covers the census to be beneficial. It only addresses a headcount....that is all and the only thing mandated.


Posted by Rae, a resident of Mohr Park
on Mar 8, 2010 at 3:44 pm

Actually, "RT", if you'd read my post above you'd know that your statement regarding what the Constitution says, and what/who actually governs what is enumerated, isn't correct. It seems to be a common mis-conception.

I won't copy and re-paste it again, but would refer you my post of Mar 7 at 8:48am.


Posted by DTOM, a resident of Downtown
on Mar 8, 2010 at 3:51 pm

Palin,

The purpose of the census is to determine the proper levels of representation in Congress. It is not for redistributing wealth or identifying people by income, sex, race, creed, or color...as much as you and your fellow travelers would like to perpetuate your brand of racism and class warfare.


Posted by Rat Turd, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 8, 2010 at 3:56 pm

I have been part of more than my share of Census and have never given any information other than the number of members residing at my home. If you choose to supply more information than that then I guess it is up to you.

"Today, the controlling law for the U.S. Census is Title 13 of the U.S. Code. There is a lot of census data collected in the United States today, such as economic figures, sales and production figures, and agricultural statistics. Still, the head count is the only part of the census that is called for by the Constitution. The code for the enumeration can be found in 13 USC 141. In this code, the census is directed to be taken in 1980 and every ten years thereafter, and that the count is to be taken on April 1. The returns must be completed within nine months for use in apportionment of representatives. The code also specifies a mid-decade census be taken in 1985 and every ten years thereafter. This count need not be a head count (sampling may be used) though the data cannot be used for apportionment."


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