Cannabis Prejudice @ City Hall State, National, International, posted by wcollins, a resident of Dublin, on Feb 6, 2010 at 12:44 pm
My city has one time used its power to reword and take away my rights. Of the 60+ references to the term prohibit in the city's Municipal Code, only once does it take from me rights granted by a superseding document.
The state supreme court affirmed a couple of weeks ago that Proposition 215 could not be amended or limited.
Even if you don't agree that cannabis is medicine there is a solution which does not involve the violation of peoples rights.
Posted by Pleasanton Parent, a resident of the Pleasanton Meadows neighborhood, on Feb 6, 2010 at 3:04 pm
I find it hillarious that there is a parallel thread condeming the opening of a ciggarette shop downtown, and here is a thread about being able to smoke weed.
Posted by Pleasanton Parent, a resident of the Pleasanton Meadows neighborhood, on Feb 6, 2010 at 10:56 pm
You're right, it isn't the same thing. One is legal for general sale nationwide so long as one is over 18yrs old. The other is illegal at the Federal level and state level for (recreational use).
Just imagine how much money we (the state) could make if we legalized prostitution as well. I mean people have been visiting prostitutes even though it is against the law and will continue to do so, and the US seems to have trouble to control it as well. I have witnessed people feeling much better after visiting a prostitute as well. I bet the therapuetic applications are endless.
If you don't like it, maybe you should go back from where your ancestors came from before they rowed their boat ashore and killed mine.
Posted by Jerry, a resident of the Oak Hill neighborhood, on Feb 7, 2010 at 12:15 am
A few years ago, there was a story published in a newspaper(don't recall what paper)about a county sheriff in a midwestern state that raided a pot farm just before election time to show his law enforcement abilities...
At a campaign rally he burned the pot and it was reported to be the largest turnout at a political rally the county had seen in years. It was also reported most of the crowd appeared to stay downwind of the fire...:)
Posted by Mary Jane, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Feb 7, 2010 at 10:43 am
Pleasanton Parent,
I'm even more convinced that you are whacked out and ignorant after your last post. I noticed you failed to mention that medical cannabis is LEGAL for patients with a doctor's recommendation. Now you're comparing it to prostitution??? Come on, you can't be that dense.
And what the hell is this supposed to mean?
"If you don't like it, maybe you should go back from where your ancestors came from before they rowed their boat ashore and killed mine."
Posted by wcollins, a resident of Dublin, on Feb 7, 2010 at 12:45 pm
Does it disturb anyone else how people trivialize chronic and end of life illness? I wish this was simply about being stoned. Although I doubt many of you understand nerve damage, or many of the other reasons people need this medicine. It provably makes it hard to understand what it is like to just want to stand straight, be able to lift your children, or the many other normal daily activities I no longer take for granted.
The Municipal Code is written in a manner that makes clear that all medicinal marijuana cannot change hands for any reason. Instead of encouraging lawful behavior the city's prohibitive stance leaves patients to engage in unlawful behavior. The city's remedy is to categorize the rights granted in the State Constitution to patients as criminal.
They asked the Sheriff to write the approach to meeting patients needs. The report compiled does a great job associating the average crime in high crime areas to the dispensaries located within and around. It doesn't even mention that each dispensary was located in or adjacent to a high crime area. The only thing the report proves is they were hell bent on making patients needs a crime and then had to make it up to prove it. Sheriffs from both Colorado and Southern California have both stated emphatically in the news recently that the premise that dispensaries cause crime is not true.
What is true that if you want to be lawful compliant citizen you have to travel to a high crime area to acquire your medicine. The report they published to take peoples rights away does prove that.
Posted by Pleasanton Parent, a resident of the Pleasanton Meadows neighborhood, on Feb 7, 2010 at 11:17 pm
"I'm even more convinced that you are whacked out and ignorant after your last post. I noticed you failed to mention that medical cannabis is LEGAL for patients with a doctor's recommendation. Now you're comparing it to prostitution??? Come on, you can't be that dense. And what the hell is this supposed to mean? "If you don't like it, maybe you should go back from where your ancestors came from before they rowed their boat ashore and killed mine.""
Medicinal use is legal at the state level, it is still illegal at the federal level. As I will be paying less to the Feds than the State this tax season I'm going to side with them on this issue.....and no, I am not comparing "it" to prostitution, I am comparing the foundation of your argument to that of one that could be used to legitimize prostitution....or any other otherwise illegal activity. Maybe if you would have toked down one less bong load you would have been able to realize that....and that my closing comments were directed and Choad-lo's post tee hee tee hee, not yours.
Posted by steve, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Feb 8, 2010 at 9:08 am
Apparently, in Dublin, it's preferable to get lung cancer from getting high on weed to cover up your nerve damage. Nice trade off.
Honestly, does anyone really think that pot is sold at dispenseries to only those with a 'medical pot' card? A few folks I work with have purchased pot from these reputable outlets and their only illness is that they are Democrats.
Posted by Me, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Feb 9, 2010 at 9:05 am
Pleasanton Parent -- Prostitution is not illegal nationally. So your analogy is lame.
As for Federal laws, there are shaky grounds. Because the at the Federal level the FDA controls the distribution of all controlled substances as well as over the counter medicines but is excluded from regulating herbal supplements, and the states have been granted sovereignty, there is allot of room for argument. Couple that with the fact that the FDA baselessly (politically, and contrary to medical research) gave marijuana a schedule I ranking (forbidden) (the earlier tax act (1920?) did the same) while giving heroin and cocaine a schedule II ranking and the Federal case has gaping holes.
You are correct to say that drugs are bad, and I am not an advocate for their use, but we need to have a pragmatic approach to issues like these. We fill our prisons and bankrupt our schools due to wishful thinking policies.
The truth is marijuana is not a gateway drug; the black market is the gateway. Teens and young adult users are exposed to black market which exposes them to other pragmatically illegal drugs like meth. The 1920 provide a pretty good view into this, when opiates were obtained at speak easy. Marijuana is too easy to grow to effectively prevent cultivation. We spend billions of taxpayer's dollars trying to prevent something that cannot be prevented and is very similar to alcohol consumption.
It is kind of like having an agriculture industry premised on cheap illegal aliens and then bitching about the porous boarders. We could save billions and many lives plus cut off black market routes by having legal border crossings for our farm labor. Politically the right and the left are afraid to do the expedient thing because of the racist whack jobs that have such a voice.
Posted by Pleasanton Parent, a resident of the Pleasanton Meadows neighborhood, on Feb 9, 2010 at 8:35 pm
Me - your reading comprehension skills are "lame." Re-read my statement and you'll see the discussion was limited to California.....last time I checked prostituition is illegal in Ca.
Posted by Mary Jane, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Feb 10, 2010 at 10:44 am
There are actually parents out there who are trying to find places for kids to go to buy so they know exactly what they're are getting when they buy pot, and they don't have to worry about it's origins (from some guy off the street). Thus, not exposing them to the black market.
If everyone could get over this idea that pot is bad and just deal with it because it's here. We already know prohibition just makes it more desirable and fraught with crime. Big Pharma can't patent it, so that's a huge obstacle for the movement. They don't want people self-medicating something they can grow themselves. Their profits will definitely be affected, especially as costs for health care and drugs go up.
To Pleasanton Parent, I dare you to go to any cannabis club and try to get in. You'll be turned away quickly and cited for loitering if you don't leave. You have no idea what you're talking about and you want to create moral boundaries for the rest of us. It just makes you look foolish.
Posted by Me, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Feb 10, 2010 at 2:55 pm
Pleasanton Parent
"Just imagine how much money we (the state) could make if we legalized prostitution as well. I mean people have been visiting prostitutes even though it is against the law and will continue to do so, and the "US" seems to have trouble to control it as well. I have witnessed people feeling much better after visiting a prostitute as well. I bet the therapuetic applications are endless"
My comprehension is just fine -- I added quotes around your "US" reference - Again lame analogy
Posted by Don, a resident of the Castlewood neighborhood, on Feb 11, 2010 at 9:06 pm
I called the police because I thought that growing this stuff was illegal. Despite the police being able to see the plants over the fence. They had no evidence there were any laws being broken and left without talking to my neighbor.
Strangely I felt like I was the one who done something wrong. I have since apologized to him. We had quite the chuckle over what the police said and did. The world changes people get used to it!
Posted by wcollins, a resident of Dublin, on Feb 13, 2010 at 5:49 pm
Reasonable thoughtful approach who would have thunk it.
Napa outlines medical pot rules
Napa's experiment with medical marijuana dispensaries should start small, with a single, heavily regulated clinic, the Napa City Council said Tuesday night.
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