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Sponsors defend Prop. 8 initiative in federal trial

Original post made on Jan 26, 2010

Sponsors of Proposition 8 presented their first witness in defense of the voter initiative in federal court in San Francisco Monday, bringing to the stand a professor who testified that gays and lesbians are a potent political force in California.

Read the full story here Web Link posted Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 7:26 AM

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Posted by Gunslinger
a resident of Danville
on Jan 26, 2010 at 9:14 am

No one should be singled out to be protected. These special laws to protect minorities are no different than the laws of the medieval era that protected the minority of elites. White hetero men in particular are the least specially protected, somewhat akin to a serf. I love the assumption that gays can't change their ways. Sure, and we know that. If that's true than everything is genetic: murder, pedophila, etc. It's all something the assaulters were born with in them, the needs they couldn't change. Please. And who says you can't change race? Look at Michael Jackson


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Posted by Curious
a resident of Del Prado
on Jan 26, 2010 at 9:50 am

Really? Do your knuckles bleed a lot from dragging them?


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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Jan 26, 2010 at 9:57 am

Nice try...cute how you sneak in words like pedophilia and assaulters. Busted!

The good news is that this case will wind it's way through the courts and eventually, the US Supreme Court will make a decision.

Until then, we will all have to observe or follow the proceedings and take pride in how our system of justice works! This is what makes America great! Viva America! Viva!


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Posted by Anonymous
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jan 26, 2010 at 11:18 am

I agree with Gunslinger. Instead of clowning around, answer back with facts. When he says "These special laws to protect minorities are no different than the laws of the medieval era that protected the minority of elites." How do you respond? And then, the point of do we know if its a choice to be gay or are they born gay? Is it the enviroment or genetic or what? If they claim to be "born that way" then where is the scientific proof. They can find the "gene" thats responsible for everything now a days. But theres no mention of a gay gene? It must be a choice, right?


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Posted by mac
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jan 26, 2010 at 11:24 am

Did anyone see Rosie O. on Oprah, yesterday? I was a bit surprised at her easy explanation as to why her first 'marriage' failed. It was also interesting to hear her explain the differences in a hetero marriage and a gay marriage. It surely made me realize that the dynamics are more different than I'd originally thought.

Thoughts?


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Posted by mac
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jan 26, 2010 at 11:30 am

No, I don't see it as a choice, but that they are born that way. Regarding genetics, there was a really good scientific program on the other night about genes and "epigenes". It described how identical genes can be turned on in one case or turned off in another. Meaning that the simple genetic base is not enough to determine things but that chemicals can 'turn them on and off'.

They gave examples using identical twins (one with autism and one without) and the thought is that 'epigenes' are involved. They say this may determine who gets cancer when there is not a usual genetic precedence.

I can imagine there is a whole world of differences that can be explained, including homo or hetero sexuality.


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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Jan 26, 2010 at 11:48 am

anonny...proof proof proof. agreeing with another poster does NOT CONSTITUTE PROOF of anything...least of all "facts" duh...

BUSTED!


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Posted by Gunslinger
a resident of Danville
on Jan 26, 2010 at 12:30 pm

Right back at ya Cholo! You libs are the biggest hypocrites. Right on Anonymous!

Let me really quickly explain my nuanced emotions concerning gays. Out of all the liberal extremists, I think the gays are the least threatening. Though I am sickened by their sexual behavior, I can easily forgive this quirk considering they are generally safe and clean neighbors. I do have a serious problem with elementary schools teaching King and King to my kids. I do have a problems with the gays insisting religious people except their behavior in terms of merely their beliefs. No one should ever physically harm someone for being gay, but we do have the right to say that particular behaviors are revolting. And I'm not religious. I'm not a Christian. Nothing but a man who believes in an abstract higher power

I don't lump rational feminists in as liberal extremists. I thank God that women are not oppressed by their men as they once were, at least not in western culture. They're still heavily oppressed in other places, such as Africa and the middle east. I think women are the bomb. However, baby-killing is not a natural outcome of womens rights


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Posted by PToWN94566
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jan 26, 2010 at 3:25 pm

PToWN94566 is a registered user.

Gunslinger, you have your facts and thoughts backwards. Gay people aren't asking or forcing religious groups to "accept" us. We want the nation to recognize us. This discussion always ends up with talk about what marriage means. At some point, people always say things about it's between a man and woman and takes place in a church etc. Then someone states "what about people that get married in a court house, elope in Vegas......".

It's also interesting how you and others continually compare gay people to pedophiles, murderers etc. Making bold statements like that are creates stereotypes in the first place. If you want to compare myself (a gay male studying to be an elementary school teacher) to a pedophile, go right ahead as it's your choice. I also use to teach preschool and was openly gay then. The young children didn't know about me being gay as its none of their business! Same thing when I worked in an elementary school. If a student asks, then I say yes and then get back on track for the reason as to why I'm in a classroom- to teach.

Answer this question- do you honestly think that if being gay was a choice that people would choose it? I'd assume that you'd say yes since you like to compare myself to a murderer, rapist, or pedophile. You state that it's gay sexual behavior is "sickening". Gay people think straight sexual behavior is sickening as well- is this news to you? Your comments on these threads reinforce why I couldn't stand the bigots I went to high school- people disliking gays shoving people into lockers and making statements of "don't touch or I'll become gay."

How is it that you don't see that it's a problem to force your views onto others? Gay people do not want you personally to accept them (don't worry- you won't be invited to the gay neighborhood BBQ with the King and King), they want the nation to recognize them for personal reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with you. This isn't about heterosexual people!


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Posted by PToWN94566
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jan 26, 2010 at 3:26 pm

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One more thing- if you have a problem with schools and "King and King"- you really should go to all the libraries and ask them to remove their books about "My Two Daddies" or maybe all together remove your children and home school them (assuming you even have children).


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Posted by Annonymous
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jan 26, 2010 at 4:26 pm

Cholo, you need to learn how to read. Me agreeing with another poster isn't proof of anything. I never implied that it was "proof" of anythning. Wondering if there is scientific evidence of a "gay gene" was a question and had nothing to do with, or about me agreeing with someone. Can I expect an apology?


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Posted by Gunslinger
a resident of Danville
on Jan 26, 2010 at 4:53 pm

What you don't understand ptown, is that I honestly don't care if you think I'm sickening. I'd rather you say that so that it gives me free reign to say my truth. Some people think smoking is sickening, that's their right. We don't accuse them of being bigots, or act like nimrods and say "well I think just breathing oxygen is sickening"

And a lot of conservative parents would rather homeschool. That would be terrible for the liberal machine. Enough parents remove their kids from the system, we can more legitimately claim only those with children in the public system should pay taxes toward it.

And yes I think a lot of wierdos choos their lives regardless of the consequences. Just like heroine addicts. But you're relatively clean and safe wierdos, so we are cool.


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Posted by Anonymous
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jan 26, 2010 at 6:47 pm

Coward


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Posted by Janna
a resident of Dublin
on Jan 26, 2010 at 7:01 pm

Well, gunslinger, at least you admitted it was 'your' truth and not 'the' truth.


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Posted by SCM
a resident of Foothill High School
on Jan 26, 2010 at 7:48 pm

Whether or not two gay people decide they want to be committed to each other and be married with all the same exact rights that straight people have — what does that have to do with you? Seriously, who cares.
Be straight, be gay. Get married, live and let live. If you don't believe in it, you don't have to -- but you don't have the right to prohibit someone else and their pursuit of happiness. And, if prohibiting gay marriage is that important to you, then you need to get a life.


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Posted by Kelly
a resident of Canyon Meadows
on Jan 27, 2010 at 1:16 am

SCM, Unfortunately if it were that easily dismissed, there would be no debate. The fact remains that we want it kept out of our schools and no teacher has the right to force their sexual preferences or sexual beliefs on my kids. Which is what is happening to our children in public school and will officially be taught to our children in public school if yes on 8 were defeated. School should be left to reading, writing and arithmetic, everything else should be up to how us parents want to raise our children.

Oops I forgot, now we have Harvey Milk Gay Day, officially celebrating a pedophile within the California schools System. Two Official California snow days are now: "Harvey Milk Day, May 22, 2010" and "Gay Day of Silence, (always a roaming day that changes frequently throughout the year, to try and throw parents off from keeping our kids home from being bullied into participating).


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Posted by Ma.
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jan 27, 2010 at 7:20 am

the fear-true or not? Web Link


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Posted by SteveP
a resident of Parkside
on Jan 27, 2010 at 9:12 am

SteveP is a registered user.

Civil unions are the most these deviates should receive and only then begrudgingly.
Get off the backs and out of the faces of the majority of hetero folks who will never 'recognize' your special needs as 'normal'. You have my sympathy for your condition, since you say you didn't choose it. Maybe your efforts should go towards finding a cure for the condition and the symptoms (HIV).
Like you posed Ptown: 'do you honestly think that if being gay was a choice that people would choose it?' The next question has to be: "how do you fix this?"


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Posted by SCM
a resident of Foothill High School
on Jan 27, 2010 at 9:13 am

I've NEVER been taught about marriage in schools. And since I'm neither ignorant or naive, I will accept the fact that there are (and always will be) gay, lesbian couples in the world regardless of what church would like to dictate otherwise. I will celebrate Harvey Milk Day and what he stands for " Civil Rights. I'm proud of the changes he helped make for the nation and the great state of California.
(PS - we let black people and women vote nowadays too... the world didn't come crashing down. And I did learn that in school.)
Time for change. Welcome to the world you live in and the generation which will make the change a reality.


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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Jan 27, 2010 at 12:15 pm

y'all know that this case will eventually be decided by the US Supreme Court!

I like attending court trials just to learn how decisions are determined. I have never attended a trail at the US Supreme Court but I would like to. Anyway, most of the above posts are driven by ignorance and people who are fearful of diversity. The ignorance has been shaped by religious bigotry and hate...just ignore it. The court will eventually make the right decision and we will all have to simply moveon.com!


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